Help contribute and not pollute. - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Help contribute and not pollute. - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

This is XDA-Developers, not XDA-Phone-users, and the forum name says it best. As in any developer forum, RTFM should be rightfully expected from users. I am here to help people and that includes helping them HELP THEMSELVES. As it was once expected of us senior members to search for answers that were answered already, we in turn now expect the new generation of Android users to search.
In fact, Android was developed by Google [the world's largest SEARCH giant]. Search being the key word. Search is such a big deal that every Android phone has a search button on it or built in to it. So this should provide you with incentive to actively use the search feature built into this and every other forum on the web.
I am not here to hurt your precious feelings, nor am I here to avoid at all costs the possibility that you're overly sensitive and tiptoe on eggshells to interact with you. At times my answers may be harsh or crass. But the way in which I deliver my answer depends much upon the way you deliver your question. Being a member in an adult forum means you are accountable for yourself. You are responsible for the way you act and interact. I am not here to assume you are smart or dumb. You will, in the end, reveal which best describes you by your posts. Think before you speak. Search before you ask. Read before you write.
Many developers and members are getting tired of seeing other members come into a thread and post a question that has been answered more times than we can count. Most answered right in the OP. Many more answered in the first few pages of a thread, or 29 other threads about the same thing your question pertains to.
By acting like a "n00b", you bring undo attention to the fact that you haven't searched and thus making many feel like you have no intention of even trying. Why should we try and help you when you show no motivation to help yourself? This aura of self-entitlement turns many of us off and kills your chances of getting any real help.
There are ways to ask for help. This does NOT include coming into a thread and demanding answers, or posting the question over and over, or creating multiple threads with he same question. These things will only make your stay here more volatile.
Many of us have been here or on other forums for a lot of years. There are certain 'road rules', things that may not be in writing but are understood on the web. Just like there are certain unwritten rules in life but are merely understood by those with common sense.
This isn't meant to single anyone out [hence no names mentioned] or spark anyone's desire to flame. It's a 'rough guide' as you will to helping members navigate their way around this DEVELOPER forum.

Amen. Well said. Nothing is more frustrating than coming here with the intention of helping people out, only to have the most efficient answer be "read the op"...I'm a user, not a developer; my contribution is to help those who need it when I can, but at least try to help yourself.

Thanks. Just see too much of it in here and it's becoming a huge problem. Dev's are thinking about leaving etc...
It's gotta stop.

thanks，i learned……

My problem is that even I don't know where to post... all of my posts are development-related and from the mere existence of this topic I extrapolate that this sub-forum is for development-related Q&A, but the description really only lists "hacking-related" as a requirement... and hacking is a very broad term that may include anything from "How to get root permissions?" to "How do I create my own operating system based on Android?"
More precise descriptions for the sub-forums, along with a sticky that people could point to would go a long way, as would a larger number of moderators and a more intuitive way to request a topic to be moved.
Searching will only get you so far if all kinds of topics are intermixed.

Hans Schmucker said:
My problem is that even I don't know where to post... all of my posts are development-related and from the mere existence of this topic I extrapolate that this sub-forum is for development-related Q&A, but the description really only lists "hacking-related" as a requirement... and hacking is a very broad term that may include anything from "How to get root permissions?" to "How do I create my own operating system based on Android?"
More precise descriptions for the sub-forums, along with a sticky that people could point to would go a long way, as would a larger number of moderators and a more intuitive way to request a topic to be moved.
Searching will only get you so far if all kinds of topics are intermixed.
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Just search the forum and you will find threads that suite your needs.
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Not really... try to search for something a bit more complex... let's say, information on how to allow an Android application to call UID-protected system functions and you'll quickly end up with a whole lot of threads... about 97% of which are not development-related. That's why we need clear guidelines on where questions are supposed to be asked... and stickes... and moderators...

You should never post a question in a development forum. You should never post a question in a ROM thread..that is used for bug reports. Questions go in Q&A.

But Q&A is borderline useless right now because it's spammed with non development-related questions... I get the impression I'm not clear enough about the problem:
When I have a question, I'm supposed to look for other people asking the same question first. BUT since the Q&A forum contains both user-questions, as well as developer-questions, any search performed will inevitably turn up both kinds of questions; usually with the user-questions making up the majority (which will BTW also prevent other devs from finding my question). That's because users don't know that this is a development Q&A forum. I know that now, but the majority of questions are asked by people who just quickly drop in for a question or two... expecting everybody to immediately understand the rules when they're not written down doesn't seem like a realistic approach. And by written down, I mean at the very least, a sticky in each forum.

If you use the Q&A forum specific to your phone you get answers to your questions quickly.

Look at my example question again... what would that have to do with my phone: It's a question about software development and the Android software stack in general, not a particular device.

Oh, my fault!! Maybe you should start your own forum and hire 3,000 moderators then maybe you will get the support you need.

CBConsultation said:
This is XDA-Developers, not XDA-Phone-users, and the forum name says it best. As in any developer forum, RTFM should be rightfully expected from users. I am here to help people and that includes helping them HELP THEMSELVES. As it was once expected of us senior members to search for answers that were answered already, we in turn now expect the new generation of Android users to search.
In fact, Android was developed by Google [the world's largest SEARCH giant]. Search being the key word. Search is such a big deal that every Android phone has a search button on it or built in to it. So this should provide you with incentive to actively use the search feature built into this and every other forum on the web.
I am not here to hurt your precious feelings, nor am I here to avoid at all costs the possibility that you're overly sensitive and tiptoe on eggshells to interact with you. At times my answers may be harsh or crass. But the way in which I deliver my answer depends much upon the way you deliver your question. Being a member in an adult forum means you are accountable for yourself. You are responsible for the way you act and interact. I am not here to assume you are smart or dumb. You will, in the end, reveal which best describes you by your posts. Think before you speak. Search before you ask. Read before you write.
Many developers and members are getting tired of seeing other members come into a thread and post a question that has been answered more times than we can count. Most answered right in the OP. Many more answered in the first few pages of a thread, or 29 other threads about the same thing your question pertains to.
By acting like a "n00b", you bring undo attention to the fact that you haven't searched and thus making many feel like you have no intention of even trying. Why should we try and help you when you show no motivation to help yourself? This aura of self-entitlement turns many of us off and kills your chances of getting any real help.
There are ways to ask for help. This does NOT include coming into a thread and demanding answers, or posting the question over and over, or creating multiple threads with he same question. These things will only make your stay here more volatile.
Many of us have been here or on other forums for a lot of years. There are certain 'road rules', things that may not be in writing but are understood on the web. Just like there are certain unwritten rules in life but are merely understood by those with common sense.
This isn't meant to single anyone out [hence no names mentioned] or spark anyone's desire to flame. It's a 'rough guide' as you will to helping members navigate their way around this DEVELOPER forum.
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what does rtfm mean?

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what does rtfm mean?
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Read the F'n manual.
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lowandbehold said:
Oh, my fault!! Maybe you should start your own forum and hire 3,000 moderators then maybe you will get the support you need.
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I think we can stop the bickering about whether there is an issue right now... this thread was specifically created because there is one. And denying it isn't going to help.
Treating any suggestions to improve things as an attack doesn't produce solutions, just frustration. And I'm not talking about a thousand moderators, just maybe two or three per forum instead of one for every three.
Right now, I'd have to bend (bumping) or break (posting in the wrong forum) the rules to get any messages to the people that I want to reach... obviously a lot of people are doing just that, but to me that doesn't seem like a particularly good option.

Hans Schmucker said:
I think we can stop the bickering about whether there is an issue right now... this thread was specifically created because there is one. And denying it isn't going to help.
Treating any suggestions to improve things as an attack doesn't produce solutions, just frustration. And I'm not talking about a thousand moderators, just maybe two or three per forum instead of one for every three.
Right now, I'd have to bend (bumping) or break (posting in the wrong forum) the rules to get any messages to the people that I want to reach... obviously a lot of people are doing just that, but to me that doesn't seem like a particularly good option.
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If you have a point to make I'm not sure what it is. Every device has four separate forums. General, questions, development and themes. If you can't fit your question into one of those device specific forums then you are worse off than I imagine. Maybe I give people too much credit assuming they have common sense. This thread was designed to bring a problem to public. Now people are coming in here and doing exactly what I said in the OP.
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The point is that it's frustrating to use the forums right now because the topics aren't properly sorted. People are posting device-specific issues all over the "Android Dev & Hacking" forums, because well, they don't know any better and that's a problem that has to be solved.
I'm not sure how to say it any simpler than that: Do you agree that having all kinds of posts mixed up is a bad thing? Because that's what's happening now.

Hans Schmucker said:
The point is that it's frustrating to use the forums right now because the topics aren't properly sorted. People are posting device-specific issues all over the "Android Dev & Hacking" forums, because well, they don't know any better and that's a problem that has to be solved.
I'm not sure how to say it any simpler than that: Do you agree that having all kinds of posts mixed up is a bad thing? Because that's what's happening now.
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No kidding. That's what this whole topic is about. Did you miss the point of the OP?
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And that's why I suggested clearer rules (and more visible) and more than one moderator... I don't really get where the issue is here?

Really people. Is it honestly that hard? Each and every device has its own forum. And in that forum there are four sub-forums. Precisely: Q&A, General, Dev and Themes. If one can't intelligently figure out that Questions go in the Q&A section, Development bugs and reporting go in the Dev section, General garbage goes in the General section and so on and so forth, then you honestly don't belong here.
You are the ones clogging these very forums and threads with your useless nonsense. As I stated in the OP, you are responsible for yourself here. You are expected to have some sort of common sense and discretion when posting and if you don't then honestly....good riddance. This is a Developer driven forum. If you can't understand what that means then go back to third grade, because you FAILED.
There IS a problem. It's people not being able to use their brains and some common sense and you are a burden to many of us here.

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Hello fellow members.
As a mod to this Forum, i have opened this thread to address issues faced by the users related to this sub-forum. No problems related to the device will be entertained in this thread.
all users are requested to put forward their issues in this thread and i shall look into it and do the best to put away with ne such issues.
cheers.

Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..

cvchetan said:
Currently I am going through each and every post of the android development sub-sub-forum..
i think i have to delete many posts and clean up a lot of the threads.
i'll do that as soon as i m over with going through the forum..
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Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...

McKebapp said:
Hi cvchetan,
to my opinion this is a not needed Sisyphean task.
You'd have to clean thousands of useless posts and flame wars.
The main Problem is, that there are lots of users that start threads again and again without using the forums search.
And: Some People cross post in wrong threads so that the threads go off topic very soon.
Also flaming and swearing against some people is a main problem.
(That's why most X10-Root-Devs gone private).
I'd say: from now, keeping the eyes open and moderate here and there, as you began recently, would be enough to keep this Kindergarten under control...
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wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..

cvchetan said:
wel that is indeed a good idea...
but then we need to remove unwanted posts and threads so tht the threads become useful to any new members or visitors as they do not have to read through all unwanted data..
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What about just making the most useful one sticky, clean the waste out of them and close them?
So this ones would be the reference.
Within first post could a link to a discussion thread.
This behavior works very well over at gsmfreeboard.com .
My Idea: put all good guides into an own sub category "Guides".
These Guides should be closed. If there are any increments, these Posts / Threads could be opened for a short period of time.
They can be edited by the thread starter / poster anyways.
Then there should be a second sub category "Discussion on Guides", where common users can ask everything, regarding the posts.

I have a suggestion for a new sub-forum. Something along the lines of "X10 Café" where the discussions could be informal for more general ramblings about the X10. I hesitate to call it off-topic since the topic would be the X10. Think of it like a free-for-all with general decency rules, no flaming, no personal attacks but an otherwise open place where we can air grievances or just toss around ideas.
That way general can be more about news, events and so on while the speculation and what have you goes on in the Café. It would make keeping up with the forum a lot easier since it should be a place that you don't really "have" to read.

well i like both the ideas..
lemme consult with my fellow mods for futher actions..

Maybe you can stick a link to the Wiki X10 Page and edit this Wiki page to add links to useful posts in the forum ?
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SonyEricssonXperiaX10

imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys

I started reading on XDA since 2 weeks when I bought my first droid phone (the X10 obviously ). This is my first post though because for every question I had i was able to find the answer in the forums.
The real PITA was when I started reading the rooting and custom rom dev threads where seriously 80% of the posters are either off topic, flaming or simply asking questions that already have been asked AND answered earlier.
As previous poster said I wouldn't mind that mods would apply temp bans to flamers and off topic poster or even perm bans when people continue to do so.
I did read in another x10 subforum that there was a X10 mod appointed (dunno if there are more than one), but unfortunately haven't seen much of that person specifically on those rooting and rom dev threads where they would have been most wanted.
It is nice to see that you are now taking the time to get something constructive going on. Regarding current topics it probably will be too much effort cleaning those up so it might be better to simply close those topics, start new ones and apply some stricter modding on those (including the temp/perm bans).
I sure would love to see the x10 devs coming back to these forums to discuss there progress on the X10 rooting for example, but they won't unless something is really done against these unnecesarry flaming/off topic/unnecesarry questions posts.
Regards,
Stephan
PS as soon as I have something in my paypal account again I will donate something towards this forum for the good work you guys are doing

we are too many, so dont blame anybody... things are like they're

FRiKiNFRoG said:
imo this forums needs some temp/permanent banning, plain and simple. I read threads here every day since I have the x10, and I have to agree with many people here, some users just don't understand patience, don't understand how to use the search options and then they have to cry out loud for something they want now but they cannot provide any help so they keep posting useless replies in every 'used to be' useful threads.
The 'Café' kind of forum is a nice idea too, to me it sounds a lot like the general discussion forum but still, the mods should do anything to keep the good discussions going.
Going back to the dark lurking around, WAITING for the good stuff without acting like a 12yo, and I'll give some money for the hard work, whatever i can give, until then keep up the good work guys
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+1 here also i feel that you are talking about me

guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..

cvchetan said:
guys.. what i see here is that you people are posting suggestions rather than problems.
regarding feelings abt hoss_n2, this is what i analysed.
Hoss_n2 seems to be clean at heart and intentions but the wording he uses are kinda direct and might make sumone feel he is demanding. but guys as long as intentions are not wrong no need to attack him..
more over by pointing out that hoss_n2 is doing this, this and bla bla you people too are flaming and remember these forum rules apply to you aswell..
so please keep your calm and help people rather than critisize them.
on the rooting forum i will be deleting all the posts not related to rooting..
cheers..
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thanks allot you are the only one here that understands me right . may be i cannot say what i really mean with writing as english is not my main language , but they don't give me any chance . sorry for going out of topic but i wanted to illustrate my point . good luck cleaning

I'm not pointing at anyone in particular as I only read threads and rarely look at who posted. My point wasn't to accuse anyone. But warning to off topics and complainers should be sent, failing to change their behavior should lead to more action.
Yes these are more suggestions than issues we have, but I think most of the people know what are the issues. The main one being 'talking in a thread about anything'. Most of the useful threads have a self-explanatory title, reading the original post usually tells a user where he wants to go with the thread he created.
I know some might 'sound' harsh or rude but personally I don't really mind that as long as it does not become a flaming war/troll feeding discussion. But keeping a discussion on the right direction is probably the most important thing in such a huge forum. Then the search tool comes handy when the discussion is going one way.
Warning/temp/perm banning. Sending public message to people saying 'please stop' is not going to work. A temp ban with a nice message included stating what he did wrong should be effective in most cases. Failing to comply after 'x' warnings/temp ban, bye bye we do not need you (They can still read threads, they'll just stop posting what devs don't need).
I'm not pissed or angry at anyone, I'm just one of those people who thinks that moderation is important. The easier/cleaner it is for everyone, the faster we'll get the good news/progress. This site is one big community, let's make it look good/the best there is.

well.. right now m cleaning up threads and rest assured that all off topic posts, flames wars will be stopped from now on..
lets get ourselves together and make this forum productive..
cheers

Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.

Cnrl said:
Maybe issue warning on some fanatic on this forum, some people are extremely rude for no reason, acting like their keyboard and mouse give them God like power.
Realize lots of people have limited knowledge and are trying to get some information. When you see the reaction of some user…bashing on them saying search first idiot there a post about it .Maybe you should realize some of them just don’t know what they have to search. Why not just point them in the proper direction and help them , it would make this forum way more attractive.
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you are right i see this usless replies not only here but on all forums ,why don't he just tell the answer ,new members don't think about search they are still new when i was juinor member i faced allot of these replies . if any body don't want to help just don't reply

Pointing the right direction if you can yes, not answering like an a**hole to a newcomer yes. But there is nothing wrong about telling them politely to search, we might know there is a thread on a subject, but pointing them to the right direction is also searching for them in some/most cases. All forums work pretty much the same, joining one means learning how to use it/navigate it.
Search is the biggest tool there is on the internet. This is how you find what you want, this is how you find answers. Internet is full of it. The faster you start, the more stuff you'll get out of it.
BTW: Answering like a a**hole to a newcomer is also worthy of warnings and ban. It's part of the issue too.
I'm all about common sense.

You can generally class users in 3 categories. The devs, the supporters, and the noobs. The devs are resourceful enough to not care, because they'll always find a way to get things done. The supporters have kinda a clue about what's going on, and are always trying to enforce rules to keep the noobs in order. The noobs almost always assume a hierarchy of power, try to suck up, seek attention, and post ridiculous amounts of crap to get out of trouble/sound smart/kiss ass.
So understanding this dynamics, devs really don't care about flaming and junk, they just want to get product out. Supporters need to learn to refrain, not feed the troll and stop thinking they are better than noobs. Noobs usually just chat amongst themselves if left alone, and are mostly harmless.
The only thing that need to happen here is a set of clear guidelines for noobs to read about when to post, where to post, and when not to post. Also, clean up the place from its state now so people don't get the idea that it's okay to post crap. Maybe a reminder (after submission of a post) for users with low post count to remind them useless junk are indeed useless and bin-worthy.

[Q] Can I flash Xperia X10i with Froyo or Gingerbread?

I just read this morning that SE UK will NOT be upgrading the Xperia past Eclair! I wondered if there was a way to flash Froyo or Gingerbread? If there is can someone point me to an idiots guide?
I am dual booting my computer with Windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit. so I can use any software (Ubuntu preferably)
Can anyone help?
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It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
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If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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If you'd browsed the page you've posted on or searched you would already know.

Hi,
sorry but that's not the right Section. It's a question so its right in Question Section.
But the answer is no. You have to wait for a release from Sony Ericsson.
It's not only Android, each Phone must have its drivers for working proberly with the Operating System. In some cases those are closed source and these things shaping the walls many devs here bashing against.
@XperiaX10iUser
Sometimes a link is enough!

mr_at_sgs said:
But the answer is no. You have to wait for a release from Sony Ericsson.
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Not entirely true, or have you not visited the development section lately.
mr_at_sgs said:
Sometimes a link is enough!
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You would think, you'd also think people would read the stickys, especially the one at the top of each section that says...
>>>>>>>>please read this now!!!<<<<<<<

XperiaX10iUser said:
Not entirely true, or have you not visited the development section lately.
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A totally unexperienced user should risk to flash such alpha versions? He cannot even read stickies!!!

XperiaX10iUser said:
Not entirely true, or have you not visited the development section lately.
You would think, you'd also think people would read the stickys, especially the one at the top of each section that says...
>>>>>>>>please read this now!!!<<<<<<<
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So you spam it all the more whilst your on your high horse, yes its frustrating as its always the same old questions asked, leave it to the mods to police
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mr_at_sgs said:
A totally unexperienced user should risk to flash such alpha versions? He cannot even read stickies!!!
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Mabye not, the point is it's possible to flash Froyo, granted not official and buggy, but still doable.
blad69 said:
So you spam it all the more whilst your on your high horse, yes its frustrating as its always the same old questions asked, leave it to the mods to police
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It's more frustrating to see threads posted about threads that already exist, on the exact same page.
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It is the responsibility of all users to keep the fora organised and clean. We need you to do your bit to keep things orderly.
To the dedicated members that care to keep this forum, subforums included, clean and organized and grouped.
Please start reporting threads to the mods to take action. Please use the REPORT button to do so.
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Already reported, and doing my bit as a dedicated member to point out to new users what they clearly missed before posting.

May I Have Your ATTENTION Please?

I didn't make this thread, I just wanna to spread it to almost all devices.
Thinking of posting a new thread???
Use the search button on the top bar between "New Posts" and "Quick Links"
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Please start reporting threads to the mods to take action. Please use the REPORT button to do so.
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MOD EDIT: BEFORE POSTING ANY THREAD IN THE DEVELOPMENT SECTION, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING:
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?

some of the threads are device-specific. It would take some time for the newbies to learn to post properly. But it's a learning curve. They would make it thru. I did, in a matter of one week.

Should I be really honest? Many users write extra garbage stuff, so they can take notes on the DEVS. That stinks.

It's true deilnefle, I'm doing it... I think that the rules of the forum should be reviewed, just because be a new user doesn't mean that we are noob.

Gvip said:
It's true deilnefle, I'm doing it... I think that the rules of the forum should be reviewed, just because be a new user doesn't mean that we are noob.
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Yes it does, acctually its ones definition.

Little harsh... ive used this place for the Hero and Galaxy S2 a lot and see these "USE SEARCH!" posts all the time.
I appreciate the work, voluntary, the site, the resources - A+ to you all, plaudits all around, and a big TY to both Googles Open Source and the communities dedication. These things are designed to become obselete, you lot keep them going
But the standard shouts, moans, and groans for pretty innocent questions borders on bullying. Half the people haven't much experience at this kind of thing, a reply with a link would help a lot and prob take 2 secs from the regulators.
Obviously therell be some spam and crap and morons about, but hopefully in the minority. Don't forget the human side please.
The older devices should really be left at an operable level, too. Why force , say, Gingerbread or ICS into something that will run like a dog? Just because you can?
Android versions come pretty rapidly and the vast array of devices and hacks and tools to root/bootload them means there's a million different ways things can be done.
I'd also say once a kernel/loader/rom is able to run the basic Google stuff, access the market, make calls, emails, and sms then its ready to ship. The longer work on bug fixing can just be done over time. EG Leomar/Checkrom on the Galaxy S2 has a rom-kitchen app, an easy way to add features, themes, kernels etc. If you have to, CWM and Rom Manager can do it through the bootloader too.
Just my 2c worth. Don't mean to sound negative and I understand it's a tech-focused forum but sometimes it does get silly. Like a NEW BEST ROM EVER! (standard source, slightly modified, bit of eye candy) or things like that.
In other words, it's mostly hacking features in (and out) that goes on, taking code from other places, altering a few init files etc - plus a big shout out too the theme designers and icon makers...
(just never forget you're working off someone elses code most of the time, and It's nice to see you all share, but don't take all the plaudits and scream at anyone who asks why app xxxx has stopped working....)
Calm down dear, it's only an Android!

It's a ***** we have to post 10 post in order to post in dev forums
no:2

My Xperia X10 Mini stucked while start and show error msg
Due to sms service blocked i was repairing my Xperia X10 Mini but while updating it shows some kind of error and now it stucked and does not turn on neither connect to PC Companion. Help mei have the only mobile is Xperia X10 Mini.

Dude if ur phone is stuck or bricked u can use sony ericsson pc companion software...
just click on update software and follow the instructions and 2.1 version will be installed back!

[Q] 16 million colours

any1 knows are we ever gonna get 16 million support or not can any xda developer giive us support for 16 million colours and for all the ppl who want to critisize by saying that we dont need it or they are happy with display just try playing the following gameloft hd games - gangstar,assains creed,hero of sparta ot any other good hd,3-d game.....

if sony gets its way, never.
but if i remember correctly, i read somewhere that it is possible once the boot loader is cracked. so keep your fingers crossed
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Have you noticed the thread with the same name in Q&A sector?

Tehouster said:
Have you noticed the thread with the same name in Q&A sector?
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YES I NOTICED SAME THREAD under QandA i read all the posts and replies and everything but from that post i could not get any clear idea xda guys can make it or not

arizhasan said:
if sony gets its way, never.
but if i remember correctly, i read somewhere that it is possible once the boot loader is cracked. so keep your fingers crossed
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sony would never do so and i have read in unofficial xperia blog of people demanding fr boot loader by cursing S.E i think xda guys can give ur hardware full power if they get that stuff

avidahiya said:
YES I NOTICED SAME THREAD under QandA i read all the posts and replies and everything but from that post i could not get any clear idea xda guys can make it or not
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Then there was no need to start a new thread and SHOULD HAVE posted your question on the original thread!
[Q] 16 Million Colours

XperiaX10iUser said:
Then there was no need to start a new thread and SHOULD HAVE posted your question on the original thread!
[Q] 16 Million Colours
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i am new to this fourm so i did not know the rules thanx fr telling

Question for the Developers of this forum

For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.

This was done in the Cappy section because they had a minimum post restriction to keep the spoon feeding clutter down in the Dev section. Not sure if that restriction is also in this section. It was only like 10 post minimum though.

I tried to do this manually with Hellraiser, but it hasn't really taken off. To be honest, right now the I777 community isn't the epic cesspool that some other forums are. However over time this could change... But the kinds of users that clutter development threads are the kind who don't bother to go to Q&A threads - so does it really help anything?

we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
tough decision. Entropy has a point, those people wouldnt bother going to a Q&A thread...the Q&A threads should be a place where the users help each other out and raise issues. the dev threads should be there to report ACTUAL issues and request features. what happens is that one person has a problem with flashing the rom and they assume its the devs fault, and the rom is broken, and they report it as a bug....its a vicious cycle that will never end.

Well this forum is for you guys, so if you dont think its needed then I wont worry about it... just trying to help all the great devs out and make things easier if I can.
If you guys have any other suggestions or want to try something out, feel free to say.
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only

tmckenn2 said:
im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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That sort of defeats the purpose I think, and I also believe that most Devs here like to have people post in their threads.
Alright guys. Ill keep it the way it already is. If your threads seem to get clogged, or you want your own dedicated Q&A thread, let me know and Ill make the adjustment at that time. Thanks for all your feedback.

I would appreciate it, so far most of the users in this forum are above average when it comes to figuring things out own their own (searching). Only thing is I wish there was more ROM choices/themes.

I don't feel the need for a Q&A thread right now. I find it a bit tedious to follow two threads for my ROMs instead of one. Also, I don't really mind a few redundant questions here and there as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which it hasn't yet.

Pirateghost said:
we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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trell959 said:
I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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lol. feelin guilty are ya?

Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.

Blaze9 said:
Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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i agree with this, but there tends to be an influx of people posting the same CRAP over and over and over and over in a dev thread. personally i dont give 2 flips about someone saying "THANKS!" or "CANT WAIT TO FLASH THIS!" or "WHEN IS THE NEXT UPDATE?!", i want to see CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms, requests, or logcats. having to filter through all the BS really makes it difficult to discern actual issues from fluff. there tends to be a lot of fluff that happens.
i see the dev threads as being specifically for requests/bug-tracking/break-fixes. the other stuff belongs in a thread where the users can praise, bicker, ask questions repeatedly (how do i flash this?). it should be peers helping out peers, and let the devs work on their stuff. but alas, we will never have utopian bliss....
we are lucky we havent seen much of that at all here in the GS2 forums, but man some of the other forums are riddled with noobery. lets just try to keep it clean and ask our members to mind the rules and understand whats going on.

Yeah... I think as long as things don't become like the Infuse forums where some of the ROM threads became utter nightmares we'll be fine. But let's keep it in our back pocket in case we need it. I may even discontinue my Hellraiser Q&A for the time being.
If there's anything we may need, it may potentially be to split the development forum like the I9100 forums were in order to differentiate ports of other developer's ROMs from actual development. It isn't too bad here yet, but the Infuse forums are chock full of integrated Hellraiser ports and it's difficult to find original development among all of the ports.
I think the definitions for "Original" vs "not original" in the I9100 forums seem to be a bit arbitrary, if we DO ever go that route here I think it needs to be clearer.
"Original" - You yourself have taken a stock ROM (may be stock for another device) and modified it from scratch on the I777. All kernel development can remain here in my opinion. Discussion of actual porting techniques used by the other section can be here.
"Not original" - Another dev creates a ROM for another device, and an I777 user ports it to the I777 via Hellraiser or another technique. e.g. Hellraiser-integrated ROMs and such.
We don't need this yet here but we may - and honestly the Infuse forums need it.

Red5 said:
For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
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I did this in the forums that PG mentioned. While yes it was a bit of a headache in the inspire forums ( they are getting used to it) and the captivate section went off without an issue I would say to go for it and if needed ill help where I can. I have to admite the 2 forums that I did this for once it was gotten by most needs less cleaning now for sure. Mainly when other users back you on it.

Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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I'm not a Dev myself but I do feel two threads isn't an ideal solution... Most ignorant people who can't find an answer in five second's or just don't feel like even trying to search will always head to the source of their ROM issues. Now if the method 10tonhammer described seems like an okay idea as long as any average person takes the task upon themselves to tag their post properly. Either way I'm not exactly the prime example of good manners on XDA (Feel's Guilty)
I am learning at least <3
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