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I just got the X2 and it's been running fine for me. It seems with the Tegra 2, this phone would possibly be able to handle Android 4.0 whenever it comes out. With the lack of development, what are the chances that the X2 will just ride with GB until its death? I like so far how the phone is working well out of the box, but in 1-1.75 years when the phone shows its age, I would like to mod it here and there to get some more life out of it.
No phone is future proof. The Tegra3 is around the croner for tablets, and phones wont be that far behind. I would bet 4g phones get the Tegra3, so if 4g is a negative for a select crowd, the DX2 may be the last great 3g phone. It will be interesting to see if they continue supporting a high-end 3g line.
I would imagine ICS would run fine on OG DX much less DX2. I would say there is a small, but possible chance a stock DX2 would die on GB. But the dev will bring it regardless.
Edit: And at this point I am 100% satisfied with everything I have flashed on DX2. What did DX have? Liberty and Apex. And yes a good bit of themes. But the devs here have a ton of scripts I never saw on DX and the themes have been coming fast, and are of good quality. The eclipse ROM has branched to AOSP, so both crowds should be happy. I personally stuck with 2.2 and couldnt be happier.
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That's good to hear. ICS seems like it's going to be a new experience and I would hate to miss out on it. I'm a "noob" and so I can't demand things and my understanding is limited, but the bootlock seems to be restricting development
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That's good to hear. ICS seems like it's going to be a new experience and I would hate to miss out on it. I'm a "noob" and so I can't demand things and my understanding is limited, but the bootlock seems to be restricting development
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I seriously doubt that we get an official update to ics.
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I seriously doubt that we get an official update to ics.
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Lol so negative. What makes you think we wont? Motorola is actually decent with updates. Hell the og dx got gingerbread before we did so I doubt they will just totally forget about us.
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Lol so negative. What makes you think we wont? Motorola is actually decent with updates. Hell the og dx got gingerbread before we did so I doubt they will just totally forget about us.
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Not to mention that Google bought Moto recently. I think we will indeed get ICS.
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Not to mention that Google bought Moto recently. I think we will indeed get ICS.
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Let's hope so! There is a game called "We Rule" that doesn't work on the X2 yet but on the X1! BOOO
I bought an X2 a few weeks ago because it was available to me for $50 (yeah, I'm. Cheap). I really love it (except for the physical buttons (wtf?)) and I really wanted something larger than my Incredible. However after reading threads for a few weeks it just really seems the development for the X2 is being past over for older equipment (i.e. my Viewsonic G Tab?) & newer phones. Did I pick the wrong phone??
I'm not crazy techie, so I don't know the complexity, but the Droid, the Droid X & the Droid 2 have been cracked. Did Motorola really go to so much trouble making the X2 so different that it is much more difficult to crack or are the efforts to crack this phone being passed over for some reason? Do I just need to avoid Motorola phones in the future?
Like I said I'm not a very technical, but have contributed (donation-wise) to multiple ROMs I used on my Incredible & gTab & I just thought I would see similar flexibility on the X2 by now, so I just want to know if I need move on from the X2 or not?
The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Yeah, I don't really run that much and I regularly see only about 3-9MB avail. ;(
I'm starting to think this is a middle of the road phone that I should have just past by & it seems the developers think so as well. Guess I should have researched more, not been so cheap & been less impatient.
Well I'm cheap, so I'll need to wait for better pricing on the latest phones, but if Motorola is going to be such a problem, then I guess I need to go with Samsung or HTC.
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The 512mb of RAM is what made me leave this phone. It requires too many hacks/scripts to even run properly.
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Agreed, they do however, run very well on any of the current available roms imo. The devs have done an excellent job of working with what we have.
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The above is true. Nitro is the best thing that happened to this phone. Try eclipse out and see how you like it then.
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If you don't have 4g in your area, x2 is your best bet. Im running eclipse and am more than happy to keep x2 until mid 2013 when 4g arrives in my area. If you have 4g, get something else.
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The only thing that sux about this phone is not having an unlocked bootloader but with the roms we have available it runs super smooth and it's reliable and yes nitro is the best thing to happen to this phone...don't get discouraged paying 50 bucks for this dualcore phone is a steal bro...
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This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
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This phone does suck for lack of actual ROMs not based on stock. However, the RAM is not as big an issue compared to other Motorola phones with 1GB (i.e. Atrix, Atrix2, Photon, Bionic, Droid RAZR) because, if I recall, their webtop service digs into that RAM anyway. It is a joke though that some of our RAM is taken up by the Tegra 2.
However, I am impressed with Tegra's hardware acceleration for web and Flash. It does seem to load web pages quickly, but I don't have other dual-core phones to compare to.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
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You guys don't know what you're talking about. Lol.
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Please enlighten us noobs on this subject professor wolf lol
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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the lack of non-stock ROMs is partially because of the bootloader. The other reason is because of lack of interest.
Droid X, 2, 2 Global all still have locked bootloaders (I believe), yet a lot of custom ROMs including CyanogenMod and MIUI. Not sure if all the dual-core Motorolas are unlocked, but I know some are.
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There's no actual roms bcuz of a locked bootloader but every Motorola phone now has a locked bootloader doesn't it? I know the bionic and Razr do...
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No actual ROMs huh? So a ROM isn't a ROM because it doesn't have a custom kernel? What do you call Eclipse? What do you call Liberty?
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Bunch of really cool dudes and a lot of sweet bros coming into the X2 forums now. Lucky us.
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You talking about me? Or the newbs?
I was able to trade my dx2 for an incredible 2 and the difference is astounding. The dx2 has good hardware and amazing build quality but a lot of the major selling points of the phone don't mean anything. Qhd is a gimmick, as is dual-core IMO. Nothing is built to take advantage of it, including Android.
The best thing about the dx2 was the build quality and feel which is second to none. Everything about the hardware is more refined than my INC2. Eclipse is a great ROM too and makes this device worthwhile.
All in all, I think this phone has a chance at being everything that the x was but it is going to require more people to stand up.
Bottom line: if you want a phone for a specific ROM/kernel, do your research before you spend your cash. Your response to your device will be based on your expectations.
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The other issue, with the rate the new "bigger badder" phones are popping up, Dev's can't keep up, nor afford to buy every phone on the block. This Android runs 2.2.2, the next runs 2.3.5, the next runs 4.0.1, you get the point. These 1 man teams like Nitro are insane working on 3/4 phones at a time, and building their rom at a pace that keeps up with Android builds and hardware differences. Not to mention the continued support despite the pace of new phones being released. If you want everything under the sun, buy a phone everyone is interested in. Look how ridiculous the Galaxy Nexus forum is already and the phone was just ANNOUNCED weeks ago, not even released yet. We have what we have over here, and complaining about it doesn't help anything. Short of unlocking the BL ourselves and enticing devs by buying them the phone, we probably are not going to get more than the handful of ROMs and support we currently have.
The newly released Eclipse 1.2 and Liberty 3 RC1 are fantastic. This is how the X2 shouldve have been out of the box. Liberty final is coming soon and that'll be it till we get ICS. My phone is now almost as smooth as an iphone.
Also, use the following apps:
Go Launcher
Opera
Quickpic
ES File Explorer
ROM Toolbox
Handcent
I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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I'm installing Eclipse 1.2 now. It looks great.
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That's because it IS great and every update gets even better.
don't forget to customize your phone to make it run how you want. Don't feel limited in what this phone can do/handle.
A custom launcher can make a lot of difference in how you phone feels.
I LOVE go launcher ex. Lots of themes and home screen options. Different screen transition animation(even in app drawer..sphere animation is sick)
Right now im still using the launcher that came wit 1.2eclipse..it works smooth and looks good.
Just throwing in my 2cents but the previously mentions about just buying on cool specs is always going to backfire. And the other point about the devs not being able to keep up with the phones is the second major issue.
I got "upgraded" to the DX2 from my DX by insurance and I have run almost every rom I could. After the time I spent with my DX it was as fast as this phone is and there was way more choice of hacks and roms. I have to give serious props to Nitro, the Liberty crew and Navendrob (hope I spelled the name right) because they have done some great work. But unfortunately by the time all their hard work is finally paying off the majority of us will be on the next phone.
To bad more people can't afford to donate to devs so they can have new toys to hack on....
I'm just wondering why the development community for the Photon has been so slow. I am not complaining, and am extremely greatful for everyone's work on the projects that keep us modders happy. I'm simply curioius as to whether or not there's a specific issue (an unreleased SDK, just a difficult phone to develop for, etc) as there have been several phones that have come out since the MoPho and already have more roms/kernals/etc. Again, this is simply out of curiosity. Thank you for any answers that you guys can provide.
Ive asked the same thing for a long time i still dont get it
It's the working mans phone, plus its not plagued with issues
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I'm just glad we have come this far...
Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Slow?.... we have miui and cm7 with jokers skinny rom and even sockmonkey....over 10+ oc/uv gpu enhanced kernels up to 1.5giggityhurtz ....
Only other thing I can see being modded is our pos pentile screen.....
Every optimized or enhanced android setting I come across that seem possible to port to our kernels/roms I send it jokers way cause he knows best if its worth a look or not.
So any suggestions that adds to our current awsomeness..by all means say so....
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
Well considering everything software wise should be considered beta(perfect software will never happen). Im pretty sure my stuff is safe. When i release a kernel, i upload from that kernel. I cant guarantee no bugs because not even stock isnt without bugs. I use alpha to scare away people that will brand all my stuff crap. Once a kernel goes stable its the same kernel just tested by more than just me.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Are those not still in Alpha phase though? Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but I was talking about full releases. However, I could be just not looking hard enough or am looking over the obvious, which with me, is entirely possible.
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Although listed as alpha, they work very well. Give them a try.
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I'm using MIUI alpha and is pretty solid. Has its share of bugs but very promising.
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I wish I knew the answer to this as well. In fact, I asked the exact same question about a month ago and all I was told was that it's due to poor marketing by Sprint?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1345073
All I ever hear from everyone is how much of a kickass phone this is, which I totally agree with. You would think that for a phone with such a solid platform to work off of, the development would be insane. Unfortunately, it's just the opposite.
i have to agree with jay
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i have to agree with jay
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Have you done any development for it? No? That's why it's slow.
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Go home troll
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i have to agree with jay
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Instead of asking why there isn't enough development, why not state specifics on what you are looking for that is missing?
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honestly no offence to you but this can be pretty insulting to our developers who are highly skilled and working all their free time into getting this going, talk to Motorola for locking the bootloader and not releasing they're kernel if u want to make things faster and easier for the developers.
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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Not too many developers have this device. If this device was on Verizon, we would have development up our a**es, but Sprint is not too popular of a service provider for Android developers, other than the Samsung Galaxy Epic Touch...
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I don't think this is entirely true. I came from the Evo 4G, and development/roms were plentiful from the dev community for that phone.
While it is a bit disconcerting to see the lack of development for my new Photon, it is important to remember that developers do this on their own time. However, as others have said, this device is far and above, even with Motoblur (which is awful, btw), what most other devices have to offer. There are, obviously, some other highly spec'd Sprint phones, like the SGSII, Evo3d, and the Nexus S 4G. And with the now impending release of the new Nexus on Sprint, I would assume development for the MoPho will likely drop altogether.
All that said, I do wish I had a stable AOSP ROM to put on this phone, with a nice guide on the most up-to-date rooting method(s). I only got this phone yesterday, so it'll be a few hours of fishing through hundreds of pages of forums before I'm ready to start rooting (I'm on 2.3.4)...my concern is what to put on my phone AFTER I'm rooted. :-(
Anyways -- thanks to all the devs that have put something together for us. Joker, it seems that your stuff is at the forefront, while some people are apparently still using the CM7 build from Cybik. Maybe I'll try it all!
Just to give a little perspective regarding software, when the company I work for goes to update an existing device with new code it takes a fair amount of full time software developers and testers (at least 3 or 4 of each) and a couple of months to get something out in a fairly stable state when they are familiar with the code that are updating.
What the developers here are doing is makes updates to code they did not create or develop and lord knows if there is one thing developers hate to do is comment code. So it makes it even more difficult for anyone to first understand what the code is doing in order to make that changes let alone someone who has a separate full time job.
I know your not complaining about the slowness, only asking why so I thought I would give me 2 cents.
Yeah jokers cm9 is running great! You should try it out. The only reason not to use it is the camera doesn't work so if that is important to you just wait. I barely use the camera so doesn't bother me.
Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
we still have devs around, like dragonz, ace, masta, and that team, theyre trying to port over CM7 and we have 2nd-init, so theres still dev love, but with the BL not being unlocked as of yet there isnt too much we can do at this moment
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As stated, the bootloader is not unlocked. Root was acquired, but that is different from unlocking the bootloader.
But I feel what else hurts it is the 512mb main memory. Even though it's a dual-core phone, the limited main memory has hurt it, IMHO.
But, the locked bootloader is what has really held this phone back. As stated by ztotherad, you can only release so many deodexed ROMs before it just doesn't matter anymore. I think we are getting to that point.
Since the kernel and bootloader are locked, you can't do much more customization.
We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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We are on the brink of aosp roms running on our phones. That has taken a lot of time to work on, and by some wonderful devs. It may have taken a while bit this phone is starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Really there are now only a small handful of things this phone cannot do, like overclock, but we are now seeing a huge door open for us and its all because of "dev love", a few never gave up on this phone even though so many others have.
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and honestly, im so grateful for these devs, if it wasnt because of them wed be in the same boat as my devour (with no dev support). so im thankful we have amazing devs!
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Some nice ROMs and themes came around after the bootloader was unlocked last summer, but I can't help but feel as though the dev community is done with it. There's still no Cyanogen and I just know it's not getting any ICS goodness.
Why is that? The Droid X2 is still one of the best Android phones out there, plenty of people have it. Opinions?
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If you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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if you have an unlocked bootloader u.need to share that right now
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exactly, share yo' keys, bro! :d
There are devs cranking out code for the X2 as I write this. Have you even read any of the threads in the development forum?
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The bootloader has never been unlocked.
The X2 is a great phone....if you've never played around with another android device before.
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That depends.
My previous phone was an LG Vortex - ARM6 processor, 600mhz processor, Android 2.2.
So, the X2 is a major upgrade compared to that sorry excuse for an android phone. But hey, it was free!
Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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Why no dev love for the x2?!
That's an understatement to the awesome devs that we do have. There 2nd-init development is no joke.Im suprised they stuck with the dx2 and didnt move to another device seeing as how difficult it is to work with. I have faith in the devs here with the dx2 in a matter of time they'll get it running sum sweetness.
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I concur. Look at Nitro. He's moved on with a different Moto device yet he still updates the Eclipse ROM for us. Heck, he's juggling Eclipse for three phones.
There's dev love for the X2.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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How in the world can you say that there is no development for this phone? Yes, it's been slow, and yes, not a lot are on it. But the ones who are (definitely myself included) are hard at work trying to get this thing going.
Read the development forums. I have at least two [REF] posts in there that explain a lot of the work I've been doing. In fact the one about CM7 needs another update. I update my twitter before I update that though. It's @dragonzkiller. Even if you don't have an account just look me up and you can see that I've been making a lot of progress with CM7. That, sir, is dev love.
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Sic em boy!!! ARF ARF GGRRRRR....LOL j/k
Your work is GREATLY appreciated by those of us who know what's going on
Thanks for all the insane amount of time you put into this....(and everyone else to!)
Thanks for me filling me in; didn't realize that having root and unlocking the boot loader were different. I wasn't hating on the devs when I said there was no love; there is plenty of it, it's just that X2 ROMs never seem to play nice, and low RAM doesn't help an often slow and buggy UI.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/21/motorola-not-upgrading-the-droid-3-and-droid-x2-to-ics-because-it-wont-improve-them/
Such bull****.
Well coming from Motorola and Verizon " their " ics with bloatware would probably run worse. So it may be true
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Ya well I can give a **** who owns Motorola now, I will never by another Motorola phone again. This was decided before the announcement, but it certainly doesn't help. My last three phones were Motorola, and its my fifth Motorola phone over all. Never again. I am done with their bull**** and if Google keeps up their assault on user privacy, I will toss them out as well.
Corporate America seriously needs a kick in the ass to straighten them out.
Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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your argument has no weight until CM9 is out of alpha and has some functioning features
I would rather have a fully working cm9 if not for DK you would have no cm9 at all.
Pixelation I hope you were joking. No official ics, cutting off unlimited data and you are fine with all this?
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Kids, stop whining! The droid x2 is running ics! Maybe try contributing a little bit of positivity to the community to help the developers. Honestly, you all make me sick with these posts
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This has absolutely no relevance. This isn't a whining post. Peoples disdain for moto and Verizon has nothing to do with the community. Everyone here is very supportive and appreciative of the devs hard work. But who wouldn't want an official ics for our phone? It would help the devs a lot. Chill out with your misplaced self righteousness.
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If you got official ics I bet DK would give you a Stable cm9 the next day with everything working.
We still would do well with a kernel that is for ICS.
Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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Yawn.... I am so past this mess. Just waiting for my wireless contract to end so I can get a new phone. Until then, I'll run Eclipse until Dzk hopefully releases a more stable build of CM9X2. But, I do understand that he does have a life outside of playing with the X2, so I will not hold my breath.
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I'm in the same boat as you, running Eclipse.
I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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I've been running cm9 since release and it hasn't locked up or restarted? I find its actually not to unstable although I don't use camera and don't run many apps. Battery life is a little bit worse than cm7. Lack of flash I think is the worst I personally see.
Edit... I think cm9 would be a lot more stable for folks if they would turn off auto rotation for the time being.
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I'm going to turn off auto rotation and see if that helps.
That's the only difference I can see as to why I don't have a lot of fc's or random reboots. I hope it works for you. I think cm9 gets an undeserved bad rap because a lot of people forget its a very early alpha and try to run it like its an oe rom.
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