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I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
some people likes their phones as they are.
some people likes to make some changes to their phones, as fonts, battery indicator, delete some idle apps, make device a little bit faster and comfortable for everyday using
I do understand hacking phones, I even used to cook roms back in the day of the omnia 2 but I'm just wondering because I'm new to android, why or should we root the new ones ie, 2.3.3 2.3.4 and what benefits we can gain from it if we don't flash custom roms ?
Oh and I have just re rooted my neo by the way
The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
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The biggest benefit is most likely the ability to use Titatanium Backup if you're not interested in all the tweaks and custom roms and themes.
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Ah thanks, is the free titanium on the market any good ?
The Pro version has far more features but yeah the Free version is good enough for a basic backup.
I personally rooted my phone so I can tweak it. I like using the V6 supercharger to alter minfrees and fix OOM-groupings. I also like playing Tegra games with Chainfire3D. My ROM is currently the SE TWEAKEDv0.5 and my Kernel is DooMLorD's (the new one by inteks) i'm on 283 because I don't like updating for no reason... oh and WifiKill (it requires root )
There's also a tool called ROM toolbox. SassiBoB reviewed it. It is quite similar to TB, but the free version offers more features.
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Ah sweet guys thanks I'll look into these.
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I was just wondering why is it a good idea to root ?
What do you guys do once you have rooted your phones ?
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Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
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Rooted apps I use:
Titanium Backup: backs up ANY app and app data, even system apps, and more importantly has the power to UNINSTALL ANY APP, even system apps.
EzBoot: reboot your phone quickly (turning it off, waiting and then turning it back on is so dumbphone-like).
Root Explorer: can access hidden system data files in internal memory.
Chainfire 3D: it's supposed to trick hi-end games into thinking your phone has a Tegra chip or simply downscales textures to improve performance, but I admit I'm yet to see a game that needs this.
Script Manager: needed to Supercharge your phone (just did that, I'm not sure if this actually improves performance.
Font Installer: yeah, I changed all fonts on my phone. And yeah, it's pretty useless.
AdFree: promises to block ads on the phone. I was led to believe this is supposed to block ads on all apps, but I notice it doesn't work on some annoying apps with very intrusive ads. It does work on most web pages when browsing the internet though.
FasterFix: it's supposed to get faster locks on GPS satellites. I'm yet to test it properly.
Before I rooted, the only thing I ever wanted with rooting the Xperia neo was definitely Titanium Backup (I can't stand the sight of demos of Let's Golf and Nova HD eating up space from my internal memory). Now I can count 8 rooted apps here. The thing is, phones should all come rooted, period. The user should be able to choose to give away root access on an app-by-app basis.
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Thanks I'll have a look at these ones
I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance. I for example don't want that intrusive Facebook app spread throughout the entire system running constantly.That,Titanium Backup and Ad Free are the major reasons to root for me.
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Yeah, besides freeing RAM, it also frees my blood pressure. I can't stand the sight of demos of "Let's Golf" and "Nova" stuck in my phone.
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I'll mention the most basic and useful thing you can do to a rooted Neo-uninstall all the bloatware that comes with the latest Neo firmware and free RAM. Those useless apps constantly occupy around 30mb of RAM and decrease performance.
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I guess +100Mb is no problem to after cleaning
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I have kinda nooby question... i am using a phone with stock gingerbread and i am using an advanced task killer. I know a lot of people say that I shouldn't do it, but it just makes my phone a lot faster and smoother. As a noob, i have one question: is task killer really harmful to my phone and is it better for me to not use it? If you say yes, please provide me some specific reason why. Thank you ask much guys!
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its not that bad... but u should not kill background services!
keep settings on safe... don't use aggressive mode
applications u know u use often for example- browser or music player... u can add to excluded section... currently im using ZDBox and it works perfect... it also has additional features that you will need... hope this helps
I only use the ATK to kill an app that's not responding well.
For example, when I was using CM7, sometimes my Google Reader app would hang and display a loading symbol for a long time instead of displaying my articles, and the arrow that shows transmission over the network wasn't displaying so I knew it wasn't waiting on data, I would use ATK to kill ONLY Google Reader. Then I could go back into the app and it would load very quickly.
But since I switched to an ICS ROM, I haven't had that same issue and haven't had a need for ATK.
Also, do note that it does take processing power, and therefore battery power, when your phone decides to restart any of those apps you are killing, and it will restart apps.
For a great explanatory article, see here:
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/app...lers-still-dont-give-you-better-battery-life/
and also the links in the phrase "(see here, and here, and here)".
So in short, they are not exactly "harmful" but they don't provide any real benefit if you "kill everything, every time."
It is a common myth that more RAM = better performance, and this is a result of the market being dominated by Microsoft for so long. Android does not equal a desktop OS. Free RAM literally does nothing. In fact, it is wasteful to have bunch of free RAM. Android manages RAM very effectively and aggressively works to ensure that you have sufficient resources to do whatever it is you want to do. If you notice an increase in performance with a task killer, it is because you have a misbehaving app. Watchdog is the only task manager I would recommend, all it does is watch for apps that are using an abnormal amount of resources and alerts you. Part of the Android experience is the emulated multi-tasking, or having several apps saved to memory simultaneously to facilitate ease of switching between them. An app in the background will not affect the performance of your device, it is not using any resources. Aside from that, if you end a task, it will usually just start right up again, using more resources, because that is how Android is designed to work.
So, I would say finding the misbehaving app is a much better option than a task killer. They were important in eclair, maybe even FroYo. But anything above that they are unnecessary.
i dont really believe in android"s app managmentbut task killers make it only worst IMHO
I have to agree with member devator22.
Android is not Windows. Android is basically Linux and Linux is using a different memory management than Windows does. (Although Windows has got a lot of improvements during the last years)
RAM which isn't used, is wasted! That's a fact.
So, if you run a specific application, some of its data my be cached. Linux is reporting this as "buffered" (you can see the amount by running the 'top' command)
There might be a more or less big chance to hit this cache. If so, the data is loaded much faster ( definetly > 10 ) than if it had to be requested from the file system.
By killing your application by a task manger you are releasing this buffered resources (actually you are forcing the OS to release it). In the worst case you are wasting your advantage of loading already cached data from the RAM. In the best case you are gaining nothing because your device has to load it from the file system anyway.
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Get watchdog!
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Thank you so much for these replies! I really appreciate it! I decided to keep my task killer but not use it aggressively. I probably will use it to end apps that i really find it pointless. And also to the people who said android dies it's own task managing, you're right but wrong at the same time. When i didn't use my task killer, android did killed some apps in in order to launch more apps, but it left only like 10mb of 300mb, which i found little odd and also it mainly killed launchers which was very annoying.
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Task killer will speed up your phone if you know what you're doing. Only kill tasks that you are familiar with...e.g. apps that you know you have launched and won't be using anymore. Those apps running in the background can slow down your device.
If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
Guys, he's not saying he does it for the memory. He says the phone's smoother. I don't know whether this is true, but if there are background tasks performing operations that he doesn't want them to do, it's *absolutely appropriate* to kill them.
The flip side of that is that the applications will eventually be automatically started again, and that startup takes extra CPU time. As long as the process startup and process killing happens when the screen is off, I would think this could improve the responsiveness.
But I think on most people's phones, the background processes really don't use a lot of CPU...
I know by default even Gbs memory management isn't the best. The app priorities are a bit weird aand the launcher gets killed to easily. Running the v6 supercharger scripts and making the launcher hard to kill and fixing the priorities and changing the oom settings makes any from wicked fast
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I am not rooted, so I can't do anything that involves rooting.
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Instead of killing an app over and over again install something like Gemini App Manager and disable the app's autostart permissions. For example, dropbox and dropbox sync are set to automatically start at boot or when there's a connectivity change. I understand why they're set to do that but for my purposes I only needed them to start when I actually used them.
Having said that, I no longer use Gemini and have never used an automatic task killer. I think android (ICS) does a good enough job managing it's memory that I don't need to be anal about micromanaging it myself. I think it also helps that I'm not an appaholic. I'm very picky about what I install and will only keep an app installed if I regularly use it.
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If I'm on ICS, its better to use the bult-in task killer, or download one from the market?
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Built-In is much better
im on ics on my captivate and it runs beyond smooth
like stated before having free RAM with not do anything
android has a good way of muti tasking
hey guys i see many of you have data problem
i just want to help you out
you will need to be rooted
1. is droid wall Allows you to restrict which apps can access the network.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...EsImNvbS5nb29nbGVjb2RlLmRyb2lkd2FsbC5mcmVlIl0.
2 turn of data sync for facebook, gmail etc unless you need it
3 i love this app greenify Greenify help you identify and put the bad behaving apps into hibernation when you are not using them, to stop them from lagging your device and leeching the battery, in an unique way! They can do nothing without explicit launch by you or other apps, while still preserving full functionality when running in foreground
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5vYXNpc2ZlbmcuZ3JlZW5pZnkiXQ..
idk guys if you have and idea let me know i will put it on here just trying to help out
is the gs4 fragile hell no http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105...phone-5-in-our-brutal-destruction-test-video/
Well as the title says
I first had a stock s2 and the memory usage would always be 700+
In the task manager and it would close 28 apps and go down but always after doing stuff its back to 700+
Now i rooted the phone and deleted all apps i did not use like google+ chaton and all the stock samsung stuff thinking it would improve but it wont
Does anyone have any clue either how to stop these 28 things from running or all the time or see wat they actually are
Any help or tips appreciated
Gr.
Boss
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The short version re: Android & memory is - as Android is a Linux 'variant', and Linux variants don't like 'free memory', Android will reserve as much free memory as possible in order to make it immediately available when required (so there's no killing some processes in order to run other processes for example), it will also keep memory in reserve for apps you've recently closed/apps that are used a lot even after you close them in order to start them more quickly/get them up to speed when you do want to use them
Constantly manually 'freeing up' memory will actually make your phone less responsive.
In other words, let Android do its thing. People on here/elsewhere obsess about free memory because they're used to Windoze & even other phones/OS's.
This is the 'plain language' explanation, if you want the technicals, they're easily found online.
Edit - This is also a good explanation of how/why it works.
Thanks wasnt aware of the ram thing like this bit it sounds logic
But why are there 28things running ?
Makes nu sense to me
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Depends what those 28 process are.
With all operating systems, there's a lot of system processes running at any given time, Android is no exception to this.
You should never need to 'free up memory', and the only time you should need to manually close an app (with a task killer or similar) is if it's badly coded & doesn't exit 'gracefully' (99% of apps do these days).
What is a program u can advice me to use to check what is running (free app) preffered
Thanks
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Internal config option
KooolaNL said:
What is a program u can advice me to use to check what is running (free app) preffered
Thanks
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You don't need any app to see what is running; go to Settings / Applications and choose "Running" tab. It will show you the processes and services that are currently in use. Depending on the version of your Android, you will have an additional option already visible at bottom or available via menu: "show cache processes"; these are the processes for which Android reserved some memory in order to quickly re-execute them (like MistahBungle explained above.
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The last week or so since I got my HTC One Max, I have been slowly configuring it and setting it up to my tastes. On my previous phone, an HTC Rezound, I used an app called Clean Master to manage the phones ram, and Battery Doctor to extend its battery life. I tried an application called Battery Guru on my Max, but it actually drained the battery faster while the phone was not doing anything. After uninstalling it, my battery life seems to have shot upwards. I have not re-installed Battery Doctor. I have read the following things about these battery saver apps over the last few days:
1. Some say the applications are not needed and you should not use them, especially if they include a task manager. The logic was that Android was designed to have multiple apps in memory all the time, and closing them, then opening them again from scratch, uses up the battery.
2.Others have said just the opposite. They claim the applications greatly increase battery life. If you read the reviews on the Android Market about these two applications, that seems to be the case.
Both of these applications I have used get rave reviews from the many folks that have used them. Is the benefit they are seeing just imagined? Do the applications actually work? Is it also possible that they work for some and not others, since there are a lot of models of Android devices out there?
Most things that are ram "cleaners" are just giving you a slight point in time speed boost. Your ram will fill up again (as it should). Most so called battery doctors cripple your phone to extend battery life (think extreme power saver on the Max). What you want is something that blocks the applications that you do have running from performing activities in the background that you dont need at that moment ( think facebook looking for your location even when not using it just so it will know it faster when you open the app).
I use a combo of firewall to block most apps from using the internet (radio takes a lot of battery) and greenify which hibernates the app while keeping it in ram so it brings me into the app where I was before.
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The last week or so since I got my HTC One Max, I have been slowly configuring it and setting it up to my tastes. On my previous phone, an HTC Rezound, I used an app called Clean Master to manage the phones ram, and Battery Doctor to extend its battery life. I tried an application called Battery Guru on my Max, but it actually drained the battery faster while the phone was not doing anything. After uninstalling it, my battery life seems to have shot upwards. I have not re-installed Battery Doctor. I have read the following things about these battery saver apps over the last few days:
1. Some say the applications are not needed and you should not use them, especially if they include a task manager. The logic was that Android was designed to have multiple apps in memory all the time, and closing them, then opening them again from scratch, uses up the battery.
2.Others have said just the opposite. They claim the applications greatly increase battery life. If you read the reviews on the Android Market about these two applications, that seems to be the case.
Both of these applications I have used get rave reviews from the many folks that have used them. Is the benefit they are seeing just imagined? Do the applications actually work? Is it also possible that they work for some and not others, since there are a lot of models of Android devices out there?
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Try greenify
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Free ram is idle ram. Having a lot of ram usage isnt a bad thing... Don't know how many people think the opposite. Now if it gets too high then yea its an issue when opening new apps but this issue died with gingerbread in all reality. Some would argue task managers even died with froyo.
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Thanks everybody! I have installed Greenify, and removed Battery Doctor and Clean Sweep, and my phone is running great! I like it so much, I have put Greenify on my other Android tablets. No more battery saving apps or task managers for me!!
The trick is to properly manage the apps that you use.
The problem with task killers is that some apps that you kill will simply "respawn" themselves automatically in the background. Killing apps that do this just means your phone is constantly closing/opening the app again and again which is worse than not killing it in the first place. You will just have to experiment and check which apps respawn after killing them and avoid having the task killer auto-kill those apps, or uninstall those apps.
You also have battery saver apps that try to manage turning certain features on/off like WiFi, GPS and Blutooth. The most efficient way of managing this is to manually disable those features when you don't need them. Having an app do this for you means that app now has to be running all the time to manage those other features, which itself will ironically increase battery usage.
Avoiding as many apps as possible that need to constantly run in the background to perform it's function. These mostly include instant messenger apps or other apps that regularly check the internet for updates in the background. Either avoid them or if possible increase the delay between how often the app checks for updates/info. The Greenify app will allow you to "suspend/pause/freeze" specific apps when they are not currently on your screen. This keeps them from performing any activity in the background, and will help save battery if used on apps that would normally be doing tasks in the background. The downside is that if that app is suppose to be doing something while in the background, it won't be doing that anymore...like checking for updates, chat messages etc...
Keep screen brightness on automatic, so you don't waste power on a bright screen when in a darker environment.
These should be more than enough tips to help you better manage your battery.