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Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
Canuk said:
Hi All,
I'm seeking the opinion of current Rose owners.
The north american version of the Rose is about to be released in Canada (labelled as HTC S743) It looks to be identical in all respects to the S740 except that the radio is adjusted for north american 3G frequencies.
I'm currently using the S730 and I used to have a VOX until my wife decided that she liked it. When I look at the specs for the S743 and the reviews online, my initial reaction is that I MUST have one. But before I go out and spend that kind of money, my questions for you Rose owners are:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
I appreciate any opinions you have to offer.
Thanks,
Canuk
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Not sure if i am a good reference, since i am absolutely in love with this device. am still trying to answer your questions:
More responsive? absolutely so. owned a vox before that, and these two devices are worlds apart. both processor power and ram wise (ran out of ram on the vox on several occasions resulting in program crashes when simultaniously running nav software and pocket player for example. never happened with the rose so far, and doubt it ever will. not even gonna start talking about lockups on the vox because of the rather feeble processor.)
Will it fit a pocket? depends on your pocket i suppose. fits fine in mine (i do not wear baggy pants. its not really that large anyways. compared to the vox: same depth, slimmer, but a bit longer.)
battery life moderate use? mine lasts for about 24 hours. not sure if that could be a reference point tho: fairly heavy browsing, 3g and bluetooth and ActiveSync push on 24/7, tons of progs running in the background, a2dp stream for 2-3 hours, sometimes some wifi. itll definately last from morning till sometime around midnight.
if i could change one thing? acquiring my baby ripped quite a big hole into my pocket back then...
hope that helps,
.-ombre-.
Released in Canada by whom, and where???
I just got one last week. If you like the Vox & Wings then you'll absolutely love the Rose.
This phone is very responsive. The typical annoyance of HTC smartpones like: unresponsive keypad, d-pad that occasionally missed when action key is pressed are gone. The addition of GPS is a big welcome.
Regarding the size, It's a bit longer but narrower, so it felt good on the palm and can be easily slipped into the pocket. I use a landyard and carry it naked.
Regarding battery life: I push my email and let my messanger on all day and the battery can last for the whole day. So the battery is good.
If I could change one thing: I wish it has video call ability like the wings.
Thanks for your feedback. I really appreciate it and you have helped me make my decision.
Ombre - I share your pain on the cash outlay! Fortunately this would qualify as a legitimate business expense for me so I don't have to shoulder the entire $$ burden myself.
Kardboard - It was supposed to be released on Expansys this Monday, but I've just checked the site and it seems we are going to have to wait for a couple more weeks.
Thanks again!
Canuk
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I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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AVE...
I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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Maybe you're using Opera 9.5 for the PPC and not the SP one (there's no opera 9.5 for the SP).
Just use Iris Browser, latest versions are very good.
Urgon said:
AVE...
I'm using HTC S740 for two months now. It is polish language version(I'm from Poland) and there are few things a bit irritating.
First of all, the WM6.1 apps, like Comm Manager, IE, QuickGPS and such, can't be closed other way, than by using task manager. There is an option in Comm Manager labelled "Close" but it doesn't work.
Office, which was installed by HTC, is useless: I can't copy text from any text files. Yesterday I wrote long letter to my friend using Office, I wanted to send it via MMS. I couldn't copy the text, and when I sent her the whole file as attachment to MMS, she got some squares instead of letters.
IE and Opera are terribly slow. Opera is also terribly unstable. I can't login to some sites because even if I select the "log in" button, I can't "click" it. Odd.
CHome Configurator can't edit most of panels on my screen. I can't either add new panels.
And there is also battery cover, which is not holding to the phne well enough, but I think it's only in my phone. Besides, the plastic lens protector is often hard to clean-up and is distorting the photos. It should be made of glass...
And it would be nice to have push-to-talk available as it is rather software-made. The commercial software for PTT can't interface with standard protocol used by my GSM operator, because it uses its own standards and can work only with other phones with proper software installed. And because my friends are using Nokias with native PTT support, I can't communicate with them via PTT...
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To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/
About CHome, I can add windows Live, Contacts (several pages) without any problems.
Opera for smartphone is only version 8.5. Use OperaMini, it's really good and free.
AVE...
[email protected]
This program is great. Thank you.
And yes, I used wrong version of Opera. But for now I'll use Iris...
There are also two programs I wish to recommend for any Rose user:
Mobipocket Reader - for ebooks;
Palringo - for IM.
I used Mobipocket Reader before with Nokia E50(Symbian s60v3) and I must tell you: it's very good piece of freeware.
On the other hand Palringo has limited functionality. It can connect with many IM protocols(unfortunately not with Gadu-Gadu), but it has some functions I like: it can send voice messages and photos to anyone on IM contact list and it works well with Jabber transports. I tried few Jabber clients, but they didn't worked well enough...
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To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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I'm fresh from a nokia e61, here's my take after about a week's worth of use:
Responsiveness is as fast as most smartphones on the market today. Not exactly dumbphone-snappy, but not nearly slow enough to get in your way. The only thing that might bug you is the one-second delay you get when you slide the thing open and shut on anything except the home screen; personally, I didn't mind it that much.
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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Funny you should ask that…when I first cracked the box open, it had a sticker on the screen that said, I quote, "remove phone from pants pocket before sitting down." Found it kinda ironic, as it's not nearly hefty or bulky enough to actually warrant such a label. To be fair, it's rather hefty compared to most phones, and in fact about as thick as a whiteboard marker. I've found the design hides its bulk quite well (the faceted back cover in fact makes it look slimmer than it is).
Battery life was disappointing, frankly, but as a disclaimer, my previous phone had a ridiculously long-lasting battery for a smartphone. I'm able to pull about a day's worth of usage with auto-checking email every 5 minutes, about 8 texts in and out, 3G on, and light wifi browsing.
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
Another thing that bugs me is the inconsistent function of the "back" button. In some apps it deletes, in other times (like menu navigation) it takes you to the previously viewed menu/app, some other times it serves as a back button from within an application.
As for fortes, I think the best feature would be HTC's homescreen GUI overlay. It's extremely functional and logical, listing clock, calendar, missed calls and alerts, messaging, mail, etc, etc. I've found it to be so functional, in fact, that I hardly ever dive into the (admittedly rather unsightly) underlying WinMo menus. For most information you might need at-a-glance from your mobile, the homescreen certainly delivers.
Just my take. Hope it helps you, or if not, some other forum-lurker or prospective buyer.
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[email protected] said:
To do Cut/Paste, switch/Kill taks, use Smart Tool Kit, it's free:
http://smarttoolkit.wordpress.com/download/...QUOTE]
I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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Try Vito CopyPaste.
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Hi ninethreetwo,
Thanks for the input. I definitely prefer to carry the phone in my pocket. I've had some larger phones in the past that were too big for pockets (Blue Angel, Harrier, Palm 700wx) and I just couldn't find a convenient place to put the belt case. I was always catching in on things or crushing it when I got in to the car. One of the reasons for buying a Vox was the compact and "pocket friendly" form factor.
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Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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I can relate. My one complaint about many of the smartphone interfaces is that it oftentimes takes too many clicks to get what I want. On the Wings I modificed the HTC interface slightly to include the recent apps gui (like in the default interface) which helped tremendously.
Thanks again for your feedback! I appreciate the time that you and the other contributers to this thread have taken to provide such considered and detailed responses.
Thanks,
Canuk
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I must say, also for me is it a nuisance (and incomprehensible) that you can't select text in Word Mobile to copy/cut/paste it.
Actually it makes Word Mobile a useless app.
So I tried Smarttoolkit, but I have a few major problems when running Smarttoolkit (S740 often slows down / freezes, programs folder is empty) and I can't find the edit function.
So, while it seems to have some nice tools, is seems an unfinished product and the option I installed it for doesn't seem to work (or maybe I'm a bit stupid).
Anyone have another solution to select text in Word Mobile ?
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You can select text in Word Mobile. As Master Yoda would say: "use the [shift] key, Luke". Simply open file, select EDIT, place cursor where you want to start your selection, hold down [shift] and scroll down with D-Pad.
Next, for SmartToolkit work you must install RC8 version. Also in Control Panel>General set "On Homescreen" to be "SmartToolkit Taskbar", and in Control Panel > Hotkeys set [Clipboard] to be your D-Pad button. This way you will be able to use your standard options on Homescreen made by HTC and in the same time use SmartToolkit. And in Control Panel > Gadgets you can create easy-accessed shortcuts and Pop-up Launcher lists with your programs, it's very useful.
It looks like this:
ninethreetwo said:
Change? I only wish there was some kind of quick-launch panel on the main menu that would let me scroll through and fire up any application I want. Also, kinda ties into the previous point, but a more efficient task-switcher would be welcome. I've noticed the home button doesn't do much else aside from…well…take you home. It would be nice if they mapped a long press of that button to some kind of juiced up task manager.
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You can use CHome Configurator (grab the CAB from the Excalibur board) to add shorcuts to favorite applications at the home panels (See attached screenshot). It's very easy, here are the steps:
1. Open CHome Configurator
2. Show 'CLinks' and hilight it and press action to customize
3. Then Go to 'Menu/Page/New'
4. Then in the new page, click 'Menu\Template\Application Launcher'
5. Select the application that you want, set the name & icon
6. Repeat the procedure for as many shortcut as you like
7. Once finished, save at exit.
Other alternative is to use quick launcher application like xBar, RightMenu, SmartToolKit or just use a different theme which use rjshorcut plugins. The best place to get S740 themes is here:
http://www.nectun.com/galerie.php?langue=en&id_type_skin=-1&id_type_tel=15
Use this free Theme Changer to compliment the themes that you download:
http://www.ifihadadollarforeverytimesomeonesaidthatiwouldhavemyownwebsite.com/ThemeChanger/
To remapped the home key, you can use software like AEButtonPlus or Hotbutton Plus
Cheers!
Thenext1 and Urgon, thank you for your replies.
I downloaded Vito CopyPaste version 1.3 and installed it.
It does work (e.g. in Mail), however for some reason doesn't in Word Mobile.
Very disappointing
The selection method of shift+D-pad works, so at last I can edit text afterwards.
However copy/cut/paste with ctrl+C/X/V doesn't work in Word Mobile.
This (regular) option however works in other apps (e.g. Mail, SMS, Contacts).
I also installed SmartToolkit RC08 and changed the settings as suggested.
It certainly works now very well and isn't intrusive for the Home screen with HTC sliding panels. It also (for now) doesn't slow down or freeze (like I experienced with RC09).
But, while I can get copy/cut/paste working in other applications, also this doesn't work in Word Mobile.
Is somehow in Word Mobile the possibility of using copy/cut/paste blocked ?
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It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
Urgon said:
AVE...
It shall work, certainly works for me. You have to hold down the D-pad button for 0,5 seconds to access clipboard menu. It may be also required to restart your phone in order to make it work.
Below you can see my clipboard menu in Word Mobile.
BTW, the whole Office package is useless, because you can't create new documents.
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I agree, especially Word mobile is completely useless, even for opening documents created on a PC.
Excel sort-of works when opening documents.
Powerpoint instead is near-perfect.
Well, I tried copy/paste again with SmartToolkit in Word Mobile and now it worked. Must have done something wrong before.
That Word Mobile is a very crippled text editor is certainly true.
But sometimes you really need a text-editor and beggars can't be choosers.
On my reliable iPAQ hx4700 I use Textmaker, almost as powerfull as the Windows version, which is one of the best alternatives for MS Word. The same is true for Planmaker (PPC an Windows versions) as alternative for Excel.
The problem of not being able to create a new document or worksheet in WinMo 6 Standard can be solved easily bij copying an empty .doc and an empty.xls file from your PC to your Smartphone. Use these files and save them as another file afer editing (so you keep the empty files unchanged)
A more elegant solution is the free donew (I believe I saw this tip in one of the threads in this Rose forum, so credits where they are due): it creates 2 extra links in "Office Mobile" to an empty Word and empty Excel file.
Canuk said:
Do you find it more responsive than its predecessors? (Wings, Vox)
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I only had a few moments with Vox, but I would say that difference is quite noticable. Especially RAM is an overkill on Rose.
Canuk said:
Does it fit comfortably in your pocket or would you recommend getting a belt-case?
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I always carry it in my pocket without a problem. It isn't the thinniest phone in the world, though.
Canuk said:
How is the battery life given moderate use? (~1 hour talking each day, bluetooth always on, Directpush mail enabled during working hours)
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I would say 1.5 day on average. Mine lasts between 1 to 3 days depending on usage.
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If you could change one thing about your Rose, what would it be?
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Hard to say really, it doesn't miss much. I would like it a little bit thinner.
Ohhh, you brave souls... haha
I was in the o2 shop this lunch having a play with their live unit (well, except it had no SIM or web connectivity. for this type of phone that's pretty limiting!)
some questions i was unable to get help with, i am hoping you have more experience of, before i consider the device further:
1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
4. browser/app zooming. the device doesnt have multi-touch (plenty covered on this, and other forums!) but, the iPhone has other methods of navigating around the browser and apps. i.e. double tapping a block of text, which i would consider a single fingered gesture. as the test unit i was playing had no web connectivity i couldnt test it out - can someone comment?
here's hoping for advantageous answers
jingo_man
1. use Handcent SMS , can make it look 100% like iPhone sms
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1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
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3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
4. browser/app zooming. the device doesnt have multi-touch (plenty covered on this, and other forums!) but, the iPhone has other methods of navigating around the browser and apps. i.e. double tapping a block of text, which i would consider a single fingered gesture. as the test unit i was playing had no web connectivity i couldnt test it out - can someone comment?....
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1. Well, probably the handcent sms thingy, never tried it tho.
or you could go into contacts and find the contact there. When you go there the sms messages are listed in a simmular way as on the iPhone.
You on the right hand side
and you friend on the left..
3. I have just used the Cloud sync method to be honest, haven't really bothered to do it in any other way. But there is probably a way to do it.
4. The zooming is no problem to be honest, the double-tap to zoom thing works good enough. So I have to say that I kinda like it Even tho the multi-touch zoom was handy every now and then..
1. handcent works fine on this phone, and has customisable colours and themes.
2. can't comment on mac, but it is APPARENTLY possible to sync with itunes for the PC through iTunes Agent. I know this won't help you but it might help someone else reading this later.
3. cloud seems to be the way forward, and it works great on the x10. when you first plug it in to the usb though you get the option to install some sony ericsson syncing software, which is the same as i used for my c902 to transfer all my contacts to gmail for this phone. it is pretty simple to use.
4. the default zoom on the android is nice to use. browsers like dolphin (available from the market) come with their own zoom, but i disabled this cos the x10 seems to handle it nicely natively.
hope that helps
1. handsent sms. hmmmm... that does look more along the lines that i was thinking for layout/design. but i'm guessing this wont play nice with the timescape app, which seems pretty central.
i thought i went into the individual contact at one point, and it had the same appearance as when displayed under the general. i may make a return visit to the store to check that out...
i dont think i would mind using separately bought apps, but 1 of the biggest selling points seems to be the timescape so not sure i'd want to miss out on using it. though might change once i have used it for a while...
2. here's hoping eventually a mac user stumbles across this thread and is in a giving mood about their experience.
3. cloud syncing. suppose i can get onboard. not a massive issue not to rely on desktop software. i guess this means no-one really sync's it with a desktop then?]
4. glad of the double-tap zoom, atleast thats something. and its generally how i start to zoom on iPhone (in the browser) but how does this work in other apps? i.e. google maps cant double tap, as there's no "frame border" to sync the tap too...
this could a deal breaker for me, for this product. not a massive app user, but love web browsing on these devices when out-and-about. fine control offered by pinch/zoom far more refined and easier to use than the clunky zoom button, which just didnt seem to refresh fast enough to make it smooth...
maybe wont get onboard with all these bits until i consistently use the device, but not paying best part of £500 to find out!
please continue with more insights if you got 'em
2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
hi, Mac user here. Yes it mounts like a USB-HDD, and turns off in the phone. So you can transfere files, and then just unmount it. Transfered 7 GB of musik files, no problem.
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1. handsent sms. hmmmm... that does look more along the lines that i was thinking for layout/design. but i'm guessing this wont play nice with the timescape app, which seems pretty central.
i thought i went into the individual contact at one point, and it had the same appearance as when displayed under the general. i may make a return visit to the store to check that out...
i dont think i would mind using separately bought apps, but 1 of the biggest selling points seems to be the timescape so not sure i'd want to miss out on using it. though might change once i have used it for a while...
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even with that installed, the other messaging app still runs. handsent simply becomes the default. this means that when you load up timescape, it pulls in the messages from the standard messages app and works like a charm.
its a shame we cant just use the screen under the contact to send a message, that looks pretty good. click onto a contact, and scoll along at the bottom, past call log, onto messaging. that is a sweet screen.
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2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
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Use Salling Media Sync for iTunes sync http://www.salling.com/MediaSync/Mac/
Adress book and iCal has support for google sync, just enable it in the prefs and then everything syncs from google.
Just enter your gmail details.
the web browser on this thing is amazing really. renedering is smooth and pages launch instantly. i am very impressed with the web browser and with the added extra of using dolphin you be on to a winner. web browser on this is better than my N1
you mean like this...?
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Ohhh, you brave souls... haha
I was in the o2 shop this lunch having a play with their live unit (well, except it had no SIM or web connectivity. for this type of phone that's pretty limiting!)
some questions i was unable to get help with, i am hoping you have more experience of, before i consider the device further:
1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
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here's hoping for advantageous answers
jingo_man
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I dont know about all the other questions, but did you mean something this? (Oh, crap! Where is my image? Ok, no image, dont know how to get one into this post)
I mean from it you see exactly who is on which side of the conversation
Basically I intend to buy this as a primary note taking device for lecture for this coming semester and beyond and I have some questions.
Firstly what is the best tablet office apps that work well with the hardware keyboard? I had a play with Polaris in a shop on the original Transformer but I'm just wondering if there is better out there.
It'd be nice if there was like an automatic save every 30 seconds/minute or similar feature.
Also it'd be VERY useful if there was an app that allowed me to open two files at once. So I could, say, have an editable .doc open on one side of the screen and a .ppt on the other...
Secondly how is the physical keyboard? Like I said I played with the Transformer recently and the keyboard seemed pretty nice. A little bit small but something I could get used to/fast on.
Might add more if I think of them.
Thanks, G.
Don't have keyboard so can't speak to that but for office apps I like Google docs and smart office
smart office is a lot better and is very good sure you will like it
tylermaciaszek said:
Don't have keyboard so can't speak to that but for office apps I like Google docs and smart office
smart office is a lot better and is very good sure you will like it
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I nabbed the Smart Office APK in the Getjar $0 sale and it seems decent on my phone, does it have a tablet interface?
See I would love to use Google Docs but I heard it requires internet to work and due to the way my university's WiFi security is I'll only be able to use internet with apps that support proxy routing (as Android doesn't have this built in to the OS).
Yes the tablet interface is very nice I like it a lot
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Yes the tablet interface is very nice I like it a lot
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Thanks for the screenshots!
Is it possible to have the edit option on screen always/in easy use?
I'll be keen to change formatting to underline/bold/italics etc quite often.
Also, how quickly can one jump in and out of list options?
EDIT: also how quickly can one "tab" in an indent and then get back out of it?
I would say for what you want this may not be for you
edit bar does not stay open but jumping into options is just a press of button
For you, you may want documents to go or office suite 5 I read good reviews of those
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I would say for what you want this may not be for you
edit bar does not stay open but jumping into options is just a press of button
For you, you may want documents to go or office suite 5 I read good reviews of those
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Thanks.
Anyone else have input? Specific to my needs if possible
I had an original transformer, just got my prime yesterday.
I used my tf last two semesters for all my classes.
I usually use the pre-loaded supernote app to take notes. It takes kb input and you can draw as well (useful for science classes).
my teachers give us power point lecture slides and for that the polaris office is pretty good, I haven't tried the other office apps, but polaris should do most of what you throw at it.
Some of my teachers give pdf lecture notes, I use repligo reader to annotate on pdf.
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Just gonna bump this in the hope that someone can direct me to something that might help me more.
This PDF annotation software will help as I need to deal with a lot of case law etc.
I'm guessing that there is nothing out there currently that supports having two documents open at once side by side as I said above?
Main requirement would be snappy formatting (Bold/Underline/Italic), can this be done in Polaris with CTRL+B/U/I?.
Also the list thing, I know it's not automatic when tabbing like in Word but an easy/quick to use button is fine.
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Just gonna bump this in the hope that someone can direct me to something that might help me more.
This PDF annotation software will help as I need to deal with a lot of case law etc.
I'm guessing that there is nothing out there currently that supports having two documents open at once side by side as I said above?
Main requirement would be snappy formatting (Bold/Underline/Italic), can this be done in Polaris with CTRL+B/U/I?.
Also the list thing, I know it's not automatic when tabbing like in Word but an easy/quick to use button is fine.
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no, there is currently no way of running two apps at the same time, it's a limitation of all mobile based OS's, everything essentially runs in full screen mode.
the CTRL commands should work fine, i'm pretty sure i used them for various things on my tf101.
Are any of these aforementioned office suit apps compatible with odt (OpenOffice format)?
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no, there is currently no way of running two apps at the same time, it's a limitation of all mobile based OS's, everything essentially runs in full screen mode.
the CTRL commands should work fine, i'm pretty sure i used them for various things on my tf101.
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It's not about running two apps at once. It's about one app having two files open at once.
Say a word document on the left and then a powerpoint on the right.
I doubted it'd be available. Maybe it'll come.
Today at lunch I used the Polaris Office app on the TFP to work on drafting my year goals for work.
I decided that I was going to save my work to a SD card so in Polaris Office I created a new file from the location where my SD was mounted at. After drafting two paragraphs of outline work, I switched over to the stock browser that I had running as I was trying to get on to the web. When I switched back to Polaris Office my entire document was blank.
Thinking maybe I cleared it by mistake I tried the undo command (CTRL+Z), I don't think the app recognize undo, clicked recent docs to see if I might have created a new doc by mistake nothing except existing docs I created in MS Office.
So I chocked it off as a fluke, thinking it probably could be from not ever hitting Save while I was working on it, so I rewrote the outline over again, and this time made sure to save the document to the SD card and giving it a specific name as it prompts for when you click Save for a new document.
When my lunch was over I took my tablet back to my workstation ejected the SD card from the Prime and inserted into my workstation PC. The PC detected the SD and gave me the option to browse the SD card. I browsed to the folder where I save the document working in Polaris only to find that the file was not there. The file never saved. WTF.
Now I can overlook the lack of spell check, broken bullets, but this app should be able to do a simple word processing function of creating and saving documents to removable storage.
now I certainly cannot recommend the Prime or it's bundled Polaris Office for educational productivity as with these performance results you will be screwed to try to do any writing reports on this device.
Have anyone here have similar experiences? discuss.
Use OnLive Desktop it's the best app for writing word documents
office suite pro is also pretty nice, much more options than polaris and autosave feature. It was on sale recently maybe its still.
Also there is a german software company called softmaker that is building full featured office apps, its currently in open beta status. You can download it for free.
The apps need some polish, but i think in a few months we'll have really nice offline office apps. With wifi around you can always use splashtop or onlive of course.
Google Docs
I had the same exact experience within the first few weeks with my Prime, and even worse, it was with a collaborative essay, so my pals were mad at me too! I was bummed, because Polaris was nice, but clouds5 is right, if you can afford it, OfficeSuite was by far the best I tried, and I darn tried every one out there. It's worth trying the trial right now. But my default now is the Germany Softmaker that he also mentioned. It has a great load of features that I was missing (Capitals at start of sentences, fix DOuble CAps, etc.) BUT, many of these features are hidden in the settings menu, so you have to scope them out. But get this, it also has user-defined AUTO SAVE!!! So even when I don't have Wi-fi and cannot use GoogleDocs, the auto save always has my back. I highly suggest you give it a try.
Totally agree with the op. Trying to use polaris and office suite through out my day proves to be buggy and frustrating. I gave up with them and haven't messed w trying to find one that will actually work.
Same happened to me also, hit save and it turns out polaris never saved it.
Lost a good chunk of my meeting notes.
Uninstalled it right away, been using gdocs or onlive desktop depending on my mood at the time
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Just tried saving a word document on a usb stick from polaris, it worked fine, also plugged the usb stick in a pc and the file was there.... so not sure why it didn't work for you, although you might have selected sdcard which is actually the internal memory, i selected usbdsk1 in polaris when saving file.
edit; just tried an sd card, it also worked fine, made sure i chose "SD" to save too not sdcard.
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Just tried saving a word document on a usb stick from polaris, it worked fine, also plugged the usb stick in a pc and the file was there.... so not sure why it didn't work for you, although you might have selected sdcard which is actually the internal memory, i selected usbdsk1 in polaris when saving file.
edit; just tried an sd card, it also worked fine, made sure i chose "SD" to save too not sdcard.
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Yeah, I just did some tests and had no problem either, although I did have to use the Save As option and browse to the correct folder to make it save the document to my flash drive (/Removable/USBdisk1), and I noticed it defaults to back to /mnt/sdcard (which is actually the Prime's internal storage, oddly enough). So maybe some of those "missing" files are actually sitting there in /mnt/sdcard?
You guys should Google search Polaris bug. I love it when people judge the entire platform based on a flawed FREE app.
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You guys should Google search Polaris bug. I love it when people judge the entire platform based on a flawed FREE app.
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True. I don't blame Dell because Word 2010 sucks so much. Now, I blame Dell for many, many other things, but that's not one of them.
To get back on topic, I've actually taken to using Evernote for all of my draft writing. The latest version has an excellent autosave function--a note is saved (first to a draft until intentionally saved) every time you switch focus away from the app. It's outstanding, and so far bulletproof. Then when I'm back in Windows, I copy the text into Word and format as needed (which I would do anyways; no Android office app can handle any complexity at all).
In fact, I think that's how ALL Android apps should work, at least those that create and edit documents of any kind. Lose focus, perform a save, because it's entirely possible--maybe even likely--that the app will close in the background. I'll have to check out out Office Suite Pro handles it--for when I actually need to work on a Word document, it would be my choice if it handles saves any better.
I hate to bump this thread simply because of the thread title, but I don't want to start a new thread to throw in my displeasure with Polaris Office.
Gary or Asus, et al. if you are reading this thread, pay attention.
This program is disastrous.
You should consider dropping Polaris Office from all Asus stock ROM's immediately.
I have read about the big in the past, but it has never happened to me personally so I always assumed it was an ID 10 T error.
Yesterday, just after I finished my 7 page annual self appraisal I saved my work. I opened ES file explorer to ensure it was there and saved properly before I closed out of Polaris office.
Yes, it was right there saved on the sdcard/documents folder.
I switched over Gmail to email it to myself so I could reprint it at work and gmail would not find the file.
I switched back over to Polaris Office and the UI was at file browser as if I had just started the program.
I browse back to sdcard/documents. The file is not there.
I switch over to ES File Explorer. The file is not there. Fortunately I had a saved copy on my flash drive that was about 2/3 done, so it was not an unmitigated disaster.
This is not Asus's fault by a long shot, but if Asus does not listen to feedback and continues to keep this program alive with now updates from infraware, then Asus's reputation will decline because of this.
I wonder why the Polaris update function on the prime doesn't work. On the S II its even if it returns there isn't any updates.
all office apps on android suck. i recently tried creating an excel using polaris, office suite and google drive, they are so tedious to work with. Good for reading but definitely not for drafting docs. windows and office are still the de facto
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tylermaciaszek said:
Use OnLive Desktop it's the best app for writing word documents
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Apparently on liveis not available in my country. Do you know if i need a windows computer to synch with this app? Also is it a monthly fee service or a one time purchase? I currently use ubuntu for my laptop os. Thanks in advance
tried kingsoft office on the prime last night and love it more than polaris. It performs pretty well.
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tried kingsoft office on the prime last night and love it more than polaris. It performs pretty well.
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I actually dislike Kingsoft Office, because of the fact that it lags so much on my prime compared to Polaris Office.
Also you can not write notes in the "notes section" of power point slides, where Polaris office can.
I'm always save using "Save as" now that "Save" isn't reliable in Polaris Office.
Although...
I use polaris office for a power point editor, and it seems that sometimes the file gets corrupt after I save it. So next time I open the power point file, polaris office freezes and then closes. Try to re-open the file, then a few seconds later, repeat, closes it self.
I don't really think tablets are the the right device for writing documents (except maybe the Transformer + keyboard), but when I do have to take notes I prefer Evernote. It syncs reliably, and I can access it from the web later to cut-paste into a Word doc if that's what I need to do.
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I don't really think tablets are the the right device for writing documents (except maybe the Transformer + keyboard)
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i agree, i did use my prime at the beginning of the year for Uni essays and such, but i found the software is nowhere near up to scratch at this stage. it is missing too many simple things to be usable, especially when doing collaborative work (and a lot of my course is group based work). its too much of a pain fighting with file formats, lost formatting data, lack of auto-save features and much more. my prime now is just used to take notes, LibreOffice on my desktop does the real work.
So i got myself an OBD bluetooth scanner and the Torque app...bloody brilliant.
So much information!
anyway, i cant seem to get it to upload data logs to the web viewer?
i have my account created and setup correctly but nothing in the web viewer when i log in.
Does anyone use the app and have any ideas on how to get this to work?
Secondary i have e-mailed myself some data logs and cant get them to open properly?
I cant seem to get Track Recorder to work with Torque Sync software, it stucks at Searching for Torque
Valiceemo said:
So i got myself an OBD bluetooth scanner and the Torque app...bloody brilliant.
So much information!
anyway, i cant seem to get it to upload data logs to the web viewer?
i have my account created and setup correctly but nothing in the web viewer when i log in.
Does anyone use the app and have any ideas on how to get this to work?
Secondary i have e-mailed myself some data logs and cant get them to open properly?
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I imagine the particular posters have found answers to their problems seeing as this thread
dates from 2014 but I thought it might be worthwhile answering all the same as I ran in to the same niggles when I began using this app so if anyone searching these issues subsequently may find some worth from my reply.
First of all as a far as experience and knowledge is concerned. Firstly with cars;fixing,modifying, engine management tuning, obd2, diagnostics. Basically my auto knowledge is extremely wide and extensive from approx 35 years of obsession and getting stuck in an the deep end whereas my knowledge and experience of computers and smart phone tech is on much, much shakier ground
In fact, for those of my vintage. i.e late 30s,early 40s remember when we were kids. and programmable VCRs were the height of cutting edga technology. Well I'm like the way our parents and grand parents were then. i.e pretty much baffled by it and even following the instructions it was hit and miss whether you actually managed to record that film rhat was on at 4am lol.
So for the second issue brought up by the OP it doesn't matter whether you email yourself the log file or not (I found the few times i tried it that the file wouldn't attach and when it did the problem was the same anyway) you need Microsoft Office or any other type of office suite to view the files. On the pc i have Microsoft office but had to download an app to my phone to view. csv files. Again an office suite that not only displays. csv files but puts them into a spreadsheet format is required.
As for the first issue it's preferable in every way to view the site. on a pc because on the phone display the actual box to sign into is off screen and takes a little bit of zooming out and seaching to find, the same goes after you have signed in when another box appears with a list of the logs files recorded and the tab to choose it. This is where my lack of fundamental computer/web knowledge comes in. I can't tell you why it doesn't sit nicely inti an easily accessible mobile format but it doesn't. Once you've found the first sign in box/pop up it becomes simple, annoying but simple.
As for there being nothing after signing into the webview site successfully all I can assume is either you've no log files to view which you should have if it's all been set up correctly, including choosing which PIDs to send to logfile or the pop up/window where you click on your logfiles is right off screen and has to be looked for. Of course you don't get that problem if accessed using your desktop.