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OK, I had my mind set on the Optimus 3D as there was no sign of the Evo 3D coming out in the UK. Now we have a date I'm stuck in 2 minds again.
I'm still swaying towards the LG, I know the specs of the Evo are a lot higher but I'm buying for the 3D aspect and I believe that LG will make more 3D content than HTC, they have said there will be a 3D store, they have a 3D menu, there will be 3D games pre-installed and they are working with publishers for more 3D content. I have heard nothing like this from HTC and they haven't been great with things like this in the past.
However, I may be swayed back to the HTC if the photos are any good.
Does anyone actually have the Evo 3D in their hands like a few have the Optimus?
If so, can anyone let me see a full size .jps file taken by the phone in natural lighting?
evo 3d wont be in hands till june and it terms of specs evo wins, in terms of content the market will provide most of it, a few preinstalled apps isnt enough to justify a weaker phone specifically since you will probably be able to just install the apk. im sure there will be minor differences in the way 3d is deisplaed on each phone but both htc and lg are heavily invested in 3d so i dont imagine the differences will be earth shattering
the only real reason to pick one phone over the other in this case is camera quality if you intend to take 3d pics
cheers aaron, the much earlier release date of the Optimus is also a plus point. 3D content will be king for me, all other apps will be just about the same. I just can't see HTC having their own app store for 3D games/apps like LG will.
I suppose I could get the Optimus and then sell it for the HTC if I decide the images are far superior
Im in the some situation, specialy now when I know release date for evo 3d. About this 3d there is 1 question which decide. Which phone can playback 3d movies? Want to make sure that phone can run 3d movies before I get it. I do not know why there is no any information that phone can or can not playback movies when we put some films on the phone. That is priority for me, Im not so exciting that I can record movie in 3d, The most important thing is can I playback in 3d for example movie like avatra 3d or resident evil 3d?
I will only get HTC and with better stats, whatever the Optimus can do the Evo 3D can do better!
how can you be sure?
1.2Ghz doesn't mean it will definately be quicker than the 1Ghz, both different types of CPU, different channels for memory etc
it could be like saying a 12mp camera is better and a 10mp camera just because there's more pixels there and not seeing which has the best optics or sensors.
Plus, the Optimus is in peoples hands now and is released the 1st week of next month, can the HTC do that better?
I cant be sure, but based upon my knowledge of computers a dual core will definitely run smoother and quicker. It's why its hard to find a single core processor anymore. Its nearly safe to assume, more=better.
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I cant be sure, but based upon my knowledge of computers a dual core will definitely run smoother and quicker. It's why its hard to find a single core processor anymore. Its nearly safe to assume, more=better.
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Got to disagree, my 3.6ghz i7 is a lot faster than a 4ghz i5, I very theres not much in dual core 1ghz and 1.2ghz made by different manufacturers
haha i7 is a better processor and still multiple cores. Your i7 has more memory so it can process more efficiently which in turn is faster . But understand I am saying more cores=better and those are both quad core processors. Also that i5 is overclocked and the i7 is not. And theres many other things that will determine why you can tell a difference.
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Im in the some situation, specialy now when I know release date for evo 3d. About this 3d there is 1 question which decide. Which phone can playback 3d movies? Want to make sure that phone can run 3d movies before I get it. I do not know why there is no any information that phone can or can not playback movies when we put some films on the phone. That is priority for me, Im not so exciting that I can record movie in 3d, The most important thing is can I playback in 3d for example movie like avatra 3d or resident evil 3d?
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I do believe it will play back 3d movies.......I have never been able to watch a full movie on my EVO as I just don't see the joy in it. Maybe with some 3d addition it will make it more fun.
The EVO 3D isn't an 1.2gb phone is an 2.4gb phone. each processor works independently from each other so the phone can send commands to each core. No phone or PC on the market or coming to the market can do that.
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I do believe it will play back 3d movies.......I have never been able to watch a full movie on my EVO as I just don't see the joy in it. Maybe with some 3d addition it will make it more fun.
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Dude, I watch about 1-2 movies on every flight I take. It's awesome...I use rock player and it can play nearly anything.
Not necessarily, the evo has two 1.2 GHz cores, yes.but that doesn't mean its 2.4 ghz, more like 1.8 with massive battery savings. It would also handle multiple tasks much better, it would only be like 2.4ghz if both cores were they were both at 100%
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The EVO 3D isn't an 1.2gb phone is an 2.4gb phone. each processor works independently from each other so the phone can send commands to each core. No phone or PC on the market or coming to the market can do that.
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The EVO 3D isn't an 1.2gb phone is an 2.4gb phone. each processor works independently from each other so the phone can send commands to each core. No phone or PC on the market or coming to the market can do that.
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Ummmmm, it doesn't quite work like that. The processors cannot work on the same task like 2 people pushing cart, its more like 2 people pushing 2 carts (each one on a separate cart) at the same time . They have started having 2 cores work with each other more in the new i7 processors but I do not see that happening in this small chip. Its simply having 2 x 1.2 GHz processors.....to some degree. Now lets say your opening a program, one processor opens it, and the other keeps all the other junk running in the background. The processors can work on the same task but not on top of each other like described above. Its described in its name dual core = 2 processors in 1 chip.
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I do believe it will play back 3d movies.......I have never been able to watch a full movie on my EVO as I just don't see the joy in it. Maybe with some 3d addition it will make it more fun.
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I spoke with 2 people who had LG Optimus 3D on this forum and no one confirmed that LG Optimus 3D run 3D movies. I try converted movie in many way but it didn't help.
Look my last post in here>>> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=985690&page=5
this is HelmuthB answer on my private massage: "For some reasons the "Step Up" clip does not play, neither on my PC (Ubuntu) nor
on the LG.
The Avatar clips play but just 2D, it does not combine the two sides into one. :-("
P.s. does htc evo 3d support gorilla glass?
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Ummmmm, it doesn't quite work like that. The processors cannot work on the same task like 2 people pushing cart, its more like 2 people pushing 2 carts (each one on a separate cart) at the same time . They have started having 2 cores work with each other more in the new i7 processors but I do not see that happening in this small chip. Its simply having 2 x 1.2 GHz processors.....to some degree. Now lets say your opening a program, one processor opens it, and the other keeps all the other junk running in the background. The processors can work on the same task but not on top of each other like described above. Its described in its name dual core = 2 processors in 1 chip.
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It also doesn't work quite like you've described here.
Anyone really interested should Google CPU threading to get a brief overview of how it works at a conceptual level, and then should look at the specific implementations on each actual CPU architecture to get a deeper understanding, and even further the specific implementations for an instance of that architecture.
For example: Threading theory > Threading in ARM CPU architecture > Threading in ARM Cortex A9 or Tegra 2 or Hummingbird or QualComm MSM-series, etc.
Trying to compare how it works for these ARM procs versus x86 procs (like Intel or AMD chips) is not only a waste of time, it's also incorrect.
If ARM procs handled processing and threading the same as x86 chips, Microsoft would not have to specifically release Windows 8 with an ARM-compatible version.
IN GENERAL, the theory of threading includes the concept of CPU affinity for a thread of processing. In the case of multi-core CPUs, in many instances, this just means that there are more available processing cores to which multi-threaded code can send processes.
In the case of more recent dual-core CPUs, the implementation has also included dynamic frequency scaling, even to the core level, such that when not in use, a core can lay dormant at a very low frequency, consuming very little power.
The result in user perception is that there is a savings in power, because 2 (or 3 or 4 or 6 or 8 or whatever) cores can accomplish a set of tasks much more efficiently and with less power usage than a single core because the single core would have to run at max frequency for the entire duration of the processing, whereas with 2 cores for example, they both might run at 100%, but because there are more engines to process the work, it might take less than half the time, depending upon how many of those processes are sequentially dependent, and how many can be done in parallel.
Parallelism is also a good theory to read up on.
All this said, I'm waiting for the EVO 3D in June to make the leap from TMOUS to Sprint.
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It also doesn't work quite like you've described here.
Anyone really interested should Google CPU threading to get a brief overview of how it works at a conceptual level, and then should look at the specific implementations on each actual CPU architecture to get a deeper understanding, and even further the specific implementations for an instance of that architecture.
For example: Threading theory > Threading in ARM CPU architecture > Threading in ARM Cortex A9 or Tegra 2 or Hummingbird or QualComm MSM-series, etc.
Trying to compare how it works for these ARM procs versus x86 procs (like Intel or AMD chips) is not only a waste of time, it's also incorrect.
If ARM procs handled processing and threading the same as x86 chips, Microsoft would not have to specifically release Windows 8 with an ARM-compatible version.
IN GENERAL, the theory of threading includes the concept of CPU affinity for a thread of processing. In the case of multi-core CPUs, in many instances, this just means that there are more available processing cores to which multi-threaded code can send processes.
In the case of more recent dual-core CPUs, the implementation has also included dynamic frequency scaling, even to the core level, such that when not in use, a core can lay dormant at a very low frequency, consuming very little power.
The result in user perception is that there is a savings in power, because 2 (or 3 or 4 or 6 or 8 or whatever) cores can accomplish a set of tasks much more efficiently and with less power usage than a single core because the single core would have to run at max frequency for the entire duration of the processing, whereas with 2 cores for example, they both might run at 100%, but because there are more engines to process the work, it might take less than half the time, depending upon how many of those processes are sequentially dependent, and how many can be done in parallel.
Parallelism is also a good theory to read up on.
All this said, I'm waiting for the EVO 3D in June to make the leap from TMOUS to Sprint.
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You seem to miss how I was keeping it simple and always said kinda or nearly meaning it wasn't exact. Anyways you said I wasn't right but then you agreed with what I said. I didn't bring power consumption into the equation as it only was about the speed.
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how can you be sure?
1.2Ghz doesn't mean it will definately be quicker than the 1Ghz, both different types of CPU, different channels for memory etc
it could be like saying a 12mp camera is better and a 10mp camera just because there's more pixels there and not seeing which has the best optics or sensors.
Plus, the Optimus is in peoples hands now and is released the 1st week of next month, can the HTC do that better?
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Qualcomms Snapdragon cores are based on cortex-A8, and they've managed to get about 20% better performance per clock cycle. The optimums 3d has a cortex-A9 which is supposedly gives about 40% better performance per clock cycle. So since the Evo 3D's processor is clocked @ 1.2GHz and the Optimums 3D is at 1GHz is basically a wash (basically a tie, impossible to tell at this point). BUT since the true clock speed of the Evo 3D's dual core snapdragon is 1.5GHz that is great indication that the Evo will be able to overclock much higher (while still being stable).
adding to that benchmark show the Evo 3D has a better GPU than the Optimums 3D, the Evo 3D has twice the ram, A higher resolution display, and HTC build quality is much better IMO
LG Optimus 3D record 3D video only 15 frames per second with AMR audio this is ****, now I know I'll NOT BUY THIS PHONE
does aneone know how HTC EVO 3D record 3d movie?
x7nofate said:
LG Optimus 3D record 3D video only 15 frames per second with AMR audio this is ****, now I know I'll NOT BUY THIS PHONE
does aneone know how HTC EVO 3D record 3d movie?
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Who told you that lie?
I have a sample video here and it's 24fps and can go up to 30fps
I've noticed that the evo 3d has been scoring lower than the sensation, which is spec'd performance-wise. Exactly the same except for the evo having more ram. So I don't really understand why it would eb scoeing lower
Also if you're here to try and dispute the credibility of benchmarks leave now because that's not the point of this topic.
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Well, the Evo 3D does have the ability to do 3D, so I imagine it will take up some resources, but I have a feeling that the benchmark scores will only get better as HTC and Sprint release updates and fixes for it.
Probably the bloatware
Benchmarks are boo boo! For a benchmark to read correctly the cores need to be ramped up to max for the test. The app does not draw full ramp from the dual cores. Plus they are asynchronous, once we root and have kernel source for added tweeks we will blow tegra away (even with tegra tweeked)!
For the most part synthetic benchmarks are not really useful. How much are they off anyways? I'll bet you'll never notice the difference.
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cordell12 said:
Benchmarks are boo boo! For a benchmark to read correctly the cores need to be ramped up to max for the test. The app does not draw full ramp from the dual cores. Plus they are asynchronous, once we root and have kernel source for added tweeks we will blow tegra away (even with tegra tweeked)!
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pretty much what I came into say. the Nexus S scores don't blow you away before you root either,but once Rooted, it is capable of truly amazing power.
pretty much every review says the Evo 3d feels much faster and much more fluid than the sensation.
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because you touch yourself at night.
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LMAO!
10 char
the processor is an ASYNC and the cores are able to run at different speeds for different task. The programs testing are better suited to your normal SYNC processor which are both always running at full all the time.
The need to write code to take advantage of the ASYNC and its methods to reach max must be included in the programming before they will ever be able to measure the full potential of the ASYNC.
you could say in those test I could garuntee you one processor is running max one is not. if at all. But if it is. its just a little as the program has not told it to run both processors at max if its a ASYNC,
ADD the qHD and the program would need to account for that.
imagine if the screen was amoled or just 800 x 480. this thing would be brutal beast.
but at the end of the day I love HTC phones.
HTC Sense is known to produce low benchmark scores. Once AOSP gets on this baby, it will fly through the irrelevant benchmarks like nothing.
Not only that but benchmarks are known to produce pointless infighting and petty bickering over measures that are not only highly suspect but also not related to actual use...
...or so the old wives tale goes...
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I've noticed that the evo 3d has been scoring lower than the sensation, which is spec'd performance-wise. Exactly the same except for the evo having more ram. So I don't really understand why it would eb scoeing lower
Also if you're here to try and dispute the credibility of benchmarks leave now because that's not the point of this topic.
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Actually, check out Anandtech's bench of the Evo 3D and Sensation from a couple of weeks ago, and the check out the same bench of those 2 devices when they tested the Droid 3 a couple of days ago.
Comparing the scores, the 3vo scored the same both times. First time it was higher than the Sensation, and second time lower. So somewhere in between, the Sensation got a software update that made it score higher on those benchmarks. I'm guessing we'll see the same kind of improvement with the 3vo in time.
leaving now. Just beating a dead horse here, this has been debated a million times.
your holding it wrong?
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your holding it wrong?
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Yeah he should call up for his free rubber band.
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HTC Sense is known to produce low benchmark scores. Once AOSP gets on this baby, it will fly through the irrelevant benchmarks like nothing.
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While I did run asop on my evo no way will an asop rom touch my evo 3d. Sense 3.0 is great and I doubt asop will supoort 3d.
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I hate people who point out benchmarks on a phone... :|
LOL if htc's scrap snapdragon duel core had good benchmarks I bet all of you would be posting about how elite your phone is and how good it does in benchmarks but since it sucks you say benchmarks don't matter. Don't fool yourself benchmarks do matter. Yes quadrant can be tricked by unlocked phones with edits but benchmarks ran on tegra 2 & crap snapdragon using smartbench 2011 (does use both cores) gives realistic performance.
evo 3d
2089 cpu
1648 gpu (lol slower then galaxy s 1)
tegra 2 (stock atrix 2.3.4 with crap motoblur)
2737 cpu
2661 gpu
tegra 2 overclocked
3989 cpu
2900 gpu
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LOL if htc's scrap snapdragon duel core had good benchmarks I bet all of you would be posting about how elite your phone is and how good it does in benchmarks but since it sucks you say benchmarks don't matter. Don't fool yourself benchmarks do matter. Yes quadrant can be tricked by unlocked phones with edits but benchmarks ran on tegra 2 & crap snapdragon using smartbench 2011 (does use both cores) gives realistic performance.
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Bro its because tegra manages different. Tegra uses both cores to do one single task. While the EVO 3D chip set is asynchronous. This means when you run a benchmark only one core is being processed during that application. The other core is running other processes to keep your EVO lag free and running smoothly. Benchmark is only a number anyway.
Remember this tho forever. benchmarks are like a girl in a bikini, they show a lot but not quite everything.
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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I don't look at benchmarks too much... but it can download n' upload like a God that's its power tool
My overlocked 1.5 Ghz tegra 2 lags behind my EVO 3D but it scores 900 more points in quadrant so my epeen feels alright. Seriously most of these benchmarks are not coded well.
I think the 3vo uses only one core with quadrant. You have to use a dual core benchmark test like CF Bench for better results. Then again benchmarks really don't mean much.
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Benchmarks are nearly useless measures.
Using benchmarks to determine real world performance is like licking your finger and sticking it up in the air to determine how fast the wind is moving.
Yeah, it'll put you roughly in the ballpark--roughly. But that ''ballpark'' is big enough to drive a couple dump trucks through...
Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Seriously my Tegra 2 Transformer has nothing on my EVO 3D. Why people look only at benchmarks and not what is in front of them I have no clue.
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Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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I've actually never had an AOSP rom run all that much faster than a Sense rom. Enough of a variance to say that there isn't a difference at all.
Like many others have pointed out. Quadrants is a terrible bench for dualcore phones until it's updated. When it reads off a bunch of question marks as the evo3ds CPU, CPU speed,etc. You know its not going to be a reliable test.
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
LOL @ benchmarks
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Why not feel good in the first place?
This phone screams. You're comparing it to a Moto phone with Tegra 2 which will likely be one of the last new phones with Tegra 2. Enjoy the 3D. By the time something comes around to crush it, we'll be into 4 core territory, or Android will be updated to better support multiple cores (if I remember right, this was only really started for 3.0).
I'll agree the SGS2 seems like a killer but I'll take HTC build quality over Samsung any day of the week. Plus, let's see Exynos pushing qHD.
No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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I hear ya too, but you gotta try not to get caught up in numbers. Numbers can be manipulated. Manufacturers can tune their phones to perform better in Quadrant (this can also be done with custom ROMs; when it is, performance in other categories suffers). AMD and Intel still participate in this ePeen warfare.
I won't be surprised if we see that Evo 3D outperforms the Tegra Moto overall.
The good thing is, we will eventually see this thing rooted completely (hopefully not after it's lost most of its luster). THEN we will see what we can push out of this phone. Look how fast it's running sense. Imagine a vanilla Android experience on it, or an overclock to say, 1.8 GHz (which will probably happen). I dunno about you but I'm salivating.
Ok, the only benchmark I need to know is that my phone boots up from "off" in 10-12 seconds. Base your satisfaction on a constant, not on relativism.
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1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
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Should be no difference to code for asynchronous or synchronous. The cores will run at full speed if they're pushed. Quadrant scores are more based on database read and write speeds than anything.
I've owned many many phones, and this one is by far the most fluid (although I have not had hands on with the Galaxy SII, but I hate Samsung's software)
I haven't run into a case where the phone stutters, have you?
I believe in the Anandtech benchmarks, they used a developer phone that has the same qualcomm chipset running at the stock 1.5ghz, while our phones were downclocked to 1.2ghz.
They might have done this for various reasons, it would be interesting to see how our phones overclock and if there's any changes in battery life.
What I don't understand is if the GPU gets high scores in benchmarks like 53-58 fps on nenamark1. 59-60 + fps on the antutu gpu section, adn everything seems to run smooth on the phone. I noticed there is some lag for the launcher and scrolling for the stock sense launcher, as well sa go launcher ex. Could it just be that sense really bogs a phone down? Or maybe theres just a few small glitches that need to be addressed? With these specs 1.5ghz snapdragon w/ the s3 soc which is no slouch, and an adreno 220 GPU which is stronger than the power 540, you'd imagine there would be no graphical/transitonal lag. Or lag of any kind at all. I really am thinking it is software/sense and all the crapware and bloat that was added to this phone.
I came from the RAZR (not interested in the nexus cause samsung and no SD) and there wasn't any graphical/transitional lag on that phone. It does have the lighter version of blur, and the only real thing that I noticed, was stock launcher had a slight stutter when you first scroll and thats it. On go launcher the app drawer scrolling was smooth as butter, but doesn't seem as smooth on the Rezound. Could it also be the fact that the applications aren't optimized yet for this resolution? Any input would be appreciated! Thanks!
well, here's the thing. the RAZR & Galaxy Nexus both have the same CPU, and yes, it runs at 1.2GHz
the Rezound is 1.5GHz(factory overclocked), but was originally a 1.2GHz CPU as well... not to mention that the CPU in the Rezound is also nearly a year older then the CPU in the other 2.
that still doesn't mean that the CPU sucks, it's just a tad out dated(really all dual-cores are since quad-core is on the way). of course, once we get perm root we'll be able to overclock and everything will be dandy.
the main issue though is that Gingerbread isn't really built to properly handle multi-core CPU's. it won't be until we get ICS or again, perm root & then able to load de-sensed/aosp roms that we'll really be able to see what this phone can actually do.
Fisrt, the CPU that raze uses and galaxy nexus uses are different. They both run at 1.2ghz though the one on nexus is supposed to be clocked at 1.5. Secondly, the CPU on resound is not overclocked. It is supposed to run at the 1.5 GHz clock speed.
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On the wiki it shows that the MSM8660 ranges from 1.2 - 1.5 ghz so probably not factor OC'd. Probalby just how they were turned out when they were binned. The outside of the wafer probably were stable 1.2 - 1.3 and the center 1.4 - 1.5. Yeah it shows Q3 2010 makes you wonder why htc would put a chipset that old in a current phone, but still performance shouldn't be like this at all. Even though it only has single-channel 333 MHz ISM/266 MHz LPDDR2 RAM I doubt that will bottle neck the CPU in anyway shape or form. The TI 4430 Q1 2011 and the 4460 Q4 2011, both use the 540 GPU but have dual channel RAM. Not sure how much of a difference that makes, but considering that Intel went back from triple channel to dual channel, shouldn't be too much.
Antutu benches show that the CPU's pretty much obtain the same scores for CPU/2D 3D graphics. Hell even the Rezound gets better nenamark1 scores by like 5-7 fps. So the benches show on paper this phone is equally just as powerful as the RAZR/Nexus yet they have these graphical/UI stutters/lag?
I really am just thinking that Sense/Bloat have plagued a powerful phone. The RAZR isn't too bogged down by the lighter blur it seems, just the poor coding of moto. Shame the MSM8960 didn't come out sooner and inb4 it's on the Rezound 2 next year or something lol. One just can never keep up with technology and it's futile to try w/ the rate hardware changes with Android.
any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
In case it isn't clear, the RAZR uses the OMAP 4430, while the Nexus uses the slightly newer OMAP 4460. The only real difference I know of is that the GPU in the 4460 is overclocked to 384 MHz, while the GPU in the 4430 is around 300 MHz.
The Droid Bionic and the RAZR are practically identical in hardware, with the excemption of a better screen and camera on the RAZR.
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any lag you notice is def sense.
notice the notification dropdown lag?
yeah, that's been in EVERY SINGLE sense 2/3 hybrid rom on the HTC incredible in the past 4 or so months. it's a problem with (i assume) gingerbread and the new sense.
when we ran froyo Z roms with sense 2.0, t here was no lag in bringing down the notification dropdown.
many people said it was bc of the recent apps..however, in many sense 2/3 hybrid roms on GB, devs took out the recent apps, and it still did it.
pretty sure it's just bc sense is a hog, and something is coded weird/bad here. i know that notification dropdown lag pisssssssssssssssssssed me off so much on the incredible, and seeing it on a brand new dual core phone really gets me angry, but i stopped being so anal about it and realized that this phone is AMAZING in every other sense (no pun intended )
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Good pun was good! The nerd in me approves! Anyways I came from the RAZR cause I just couldn't STAND the battery life/heat on that phone it was terrible, horrible even. Smart actions data saver which turns of backround synching I'd wake up with 30-40% of the battery gone :/. The phone also got pretty damn hot like 104-110 while watching netflix w/ full brightness. Although it did remain the same temperature 104-110 while on the charger. I'm not a fan of Samsung phones at all so the Nexus was out of the picture for me (that + no SD card and low quality build, screen issues I could go on). I can't wait for AOSP, or some custom ROM that eliminates launcher/notifications lag. The browser doesnt' fair too well either on sites with full flash. I'm sure I could download a 3rd party browser and it'd be okay.
that's whats great about the rezound, and android in general....buy the rezound for some great hardware etc, then if you really want to, root it and put AOSP on it.
with any other phone, you can't root it and put sense on it. i love sense personally, even though she's a hog. yeah, it's a little slow sometimes, but honestly, i could NEVER have a motorola or a samsung as an android phone. at this point, i NEED htc because it looks and handles the best to me.
I personally do think that the SoC on the Rezound is superior when compared to RAZR/Nexus. I like how sense looks yes, it's is no doubt the best added skin out there. I am a performance junkie and I like to fine tune all my electronic devices, computer, phone, tv etc. I can't wait to get a good ROM on here AOSP, hell even sense if it fixes the lag problems, and shows smoother app drawer scrolling for the sense launcher and third party launchers.
RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Scorpion is loosely based on A8, they license the instructions from arm but make their own mods, so it's a tweaked A8 with some A9 features. The new krait will be like an A15 so hopefully qualcomm will jump ahead. All I know is the omap came out last and their linpack scores are crazy high for multithreaded. At this point though it's not a big deal, i don't have any lag on my Evo 3D and it's the qualcomm. Just relax and enjoy the ride of tech
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Linpack is junk for benches imo. Idk whats bogging down the Rezound. Maybe just sense and all the crapware? Or software isn't properly utilized for the HD? Linpack for the 4430 85-90, Rezound just hit 88 on first run derpppp.
Berzerker7 said:
RAZR = 1.2GHz OMAP4430
Nexus = 1.2GHz OMAP4460
The 4460 is spec'ed at 1.5GHz, but was probably underclocked to conserve battery and whatnot.
The processor in the Rezound is a dual-core Scorpion based snapdragon. Scorpion is an instruction set based on Cortex A8, so it's a little older than the OMAP4 core which are Cortex A9 based.
The short answer is the SoC in the RAZR and the Nexus are actually quite a bit better than the one in the Rezound. It's a whole generation ahead.
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Yeah its underclocked from 1.5 I'm sure, I doubt it's a lower quality 4460 (which im sure they mark as 4430 assuming theyre form the same wafer). What I don't get is the phones do have similar benches rezound topping off some and the RAZR/Nexus topping off some. But regardless of the the soc being a bit older, there still should be ZERO lag on a device of this caliber. Especially when you get the lag from the status notifcation bar, the appdrawer scrolling( even on 3rd party launchers like go). I just wonder if its sense or coding is not properly utilized for the resolution, I have no idea. Any thoughts?
Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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I have no doubt that this phone can be a top performer w/ the soc eventhough it's last years model. I'm sure they have improved upon it more, hell it performs with the current TIOMAP socs and even beats it in some areas. The RAZR had terrible battery life and it did perform great on a stripped down blur. I was thinking about the Nexus but Samsung (no ty), no SD card (no ty), cheap build quality which also has to do with reason #1. I heard there were also screen issues w/ the Nexus, bad sound quality etc. I was very hopeful of the Nexus but was disappointed when it was Samsung building the phone. So that leaves the Rezound w/ its HD display, $120 dollar headphones and designed for media which is my #1 priority. Hopefully we get S-off and we can get rid of a lot of this trash on a great phone.
Update: I slapped on ADW EX and the stutter/jerking for the notification bar has been greatly minimized. App drawer is a lot smoother for sure. Interesting thing is everything else runs great. I was watching 1280 x 720p video off the class 4 SD with very minor lag. I put in my class 10 SD so we'll see how that goes! I'm sure once this phone is on AOSP or a stripped version of Sense, she'll fly even more.
platinumrims said:
Its sense... Sense is just massive. I can almost 100% guarantee that its sense....
On my Desire 6275, with 2fasts miui and cm7, my desire had no lag what so ever with anything. Though it was a single core and old and the ram and memory were bull**** garbage. On an AOSP rom and even a stripped modified sense rom it didn't lag at all for UI transitions and app launching. I didn't even have it overclocked.
I bet this phone will be dam near perfect on an AOSP or stripped sense rom... I'm excited for it lol. I bet we can even underclock it and still have exceptional performance. And I have no complaints about battery life either. So on an undervolted kernel it will improve even more.
With a great developer following and an overall better hardware configuration than any other phone, this will easily keep me happy until 4quater next year(until the next best phone) or even after that maybe
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Sense roms are around 350 mb stock, aosp is about 80-100 depending on the phone... Sense is a huge memory hog
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Sense for this rom is over 500mb. Aosp can get down to 50ish mb which is amazing.
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Yea, that size is closer to what I was thinking
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Ridiculous, and what is more ridiculous is that the phone is able to function for the most part!
From what I have read, No android os, including Froyo and Gingerbread, have been built to fully use a gpu for hardward acceleration with the exception of Honeycomb. ICS is the first android os to have it fully supported. This is why the iPhone has always seemed to have smoother scrolling. IOS has always had it. I can't wait until our Rezound gets ICS and unleash this gpu.
Source : http://mblog.gsmarena.com/htc-droid-dna-snapdragon-s4-pro-chipset-performance-examined-in-detail/
BenchmarkPi : 263
We started with the
BenchmarkPi test, which
reflects per-core CPU
performance. As expected
the Krait architecture
helped the DROID DNA
beat its quad-core rivals.
More impressively,
though, it managed to
beat the LG Optimus G
despite packing identical
CPU cores as the LG
flagship.
Linpack:602
Linpack is another CPU-
testing benchmark, but it
supports multi-threading
and thus brings a better
idea of the quad-core
architecture overall
processing power. Here
the HTC DROID DNA lost
to the Optimus G by a
very small margin, but
blew the rest of the
competitors out of the
water.
Quadrant:8513
The Quadrant benchmark
tries to evaluate the
overall processing power
of the chipset – CPU,
GPU and memory
performance. The HTC
DROID DNA managed to
top the competition here,
which is a really
impressive achievement
given that its screen
resolution poses a bigger
challenge to the graphical
power.
Antutu:11551
The HTC DROID DNA
didn’t do as well in
AnTuTu, which is our
other all-round
benchmark. The
smartphone did beat the
LG Optimus G and the
Galaxy S III, but came
behind the rest of the
quad-core top dogs .
Glbenchmark2.5(1080p off screen):30
The 3D graphics
department is handled by
the Adreno 320 GPU. The
first test we ran was
NenaMark 2, but just like
its competitors the HTC
DROID DNA managed to
hit the 60fps limit of the
screen, rendering the
results moot.
GLBenchmark let us get a
better idea of the
graphics power of the
DROID DNA – the
smartphone got the
highest score of any
smartphone we have
tested so far. Given that
its screen resolution is
much higher than its
competitors, though it’s
can’t compete as
successfully in on-screen
tests.
Sunspider:1421
Browsermark:140270
The only area of the HTC
DROID DNA performance
that wasn’t exactly
inspiring were the browser
tests. The smartphone
came some way off the
leaders in both SunSpider
and BrowserMark, which
is rather hard to
understand given that it
runs Android Jelly Bean
and has its optimized
JavaScript engine. We
suspect this is caused by
some kind of driver issue
that the relatively new
Snapdragon S4 Pro
chipset has and we
expect to see better
results from it in the
future.
nikufellow said:
Source : http://mblog.gsmarena.com/htc-droid-dna-snapdragon-s4-pro-chipset-performance-examined-in-detail/
BenchmarkPi : 263
We started with the
BenchmarkPi test, which
reflects per-core CPU
performance. As expected
the Krait architecture
helped the DROID DNA
beat its quad-core rivals.
More impressively,
though, it managed to
beat the LG Optimus G
despite packing identical
CPU cores as the LG
flagship.
Linpack:602
Linpack is another CPU-
testing benchmark, but it
supports multi-threading
and thus brings a better
idea of the quad-core
architecture overall
processing power. Here
the HTC DROID DNA lost
to the Optimus G by a
very small margin, but
blew the rest of the
competitors out of the
water.
Quadrant:8513
The Quadrant benchmark
tries to evaluate the
overall processing power
of the chipset – CPU,
GPU and memory
performance. The HTC
DROID DNA managed to
top the competition here,
which is a really
impressive achievement
given that its screen
resolution poses a bigger
challenge to the graphical
power.
Antutu:11551
The HTC DROID DNA
didn’t do as well in
AnTuTu, which is our
other all-round
benchmark. The
smartphone did beat the
LG Optimus G and the
Galaxy S III, but came
behind the rest of the
quad-core top dogs .
Glbenchmark2.5(1080p off screen):30
The 3D graphics
department is handled by
the Adreno 320 GPU. The
first test we ran was
NenaMark 2, but just like
its competitors the HTC
DROID DNA managed to
hit the 60fps limit of the
screen, rendering the
results moot.
GLBenchmark let us get a
better idea of the
graphics power of the
DROID DNA – the
smartphone got the
highest score of any
smartphone we have
tested so far. Given that
its screen resolution is
much higher than its
competitors, though it’s
can’t compete as
successfully in on-screen
tests.
Sunspider:1421
Browsermark:140270
The only area of the HTC
DROID DNA performance
that wasn’t exactly
inspiring were the browser
tests. The smartphone
came some way off the
leaders in both SunSpider
and BrowserMark, which
is rather hard to
understand given that it
runs Android Jelly Bean
and has its optimized
JavaScript engine. We
suspect this is caused by
some kind of driver issue
that the relatively new
Snapdragon S4 Pro
chipset has and we
expect to see better
results from it in the
future.
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Awesome what about geekbench 2?
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Don't know mate will let you know if i get that from any other sources .
Btw gb 2.5 is there in the list !
nikufellow said:
Don't know mate will let you know if i get that from any other sources .
Btw gb 2.5 is there in the list !
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Oh didn't see that.
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Hey thanks north