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Hello all.
I have been looking through the forums most of the day trying to make sense of rooting and roms and all that, and I think I have a handle on what this is all about - obviously I need to try and see first. But I have somewhat of a dilemma on my hands that I would use the advice of others on.
I currently have an iPhone on ATT and love the phone but hate the service. Verizon is the only thing that works well around here (ive tried friends phones) and I know I want something of the Android family if I am going to have to lay down the iPhone (which is getting easier given the flop I think iOS4 is). So, I bought a Droid Eris.
Problem: It is waaay to slow. I have owned it 5 days and Sense UI has Force Closed 7 or more times. I get a better experience by Advanced Task Killing everything, but that seems like a bad deal to have to do on a new phone. I would like to root and rom the phone with something like Official 1.0 Alpha from ivanmmj, but I am still within my first 30 days with Verizon and can take the phone back if it is stock. I am afraid that if I root and rom it that the VZW sales mafia will reject me if I still try to take it back. I also am not confident in my ability to root/rom correctly, or reverse it if necessary.
Question: Should I try to OC the phone with a better ROM and pray it gets snappier or should I go get a different phone? The only other thing they have in the store that would suit me is a Palm Pre Plus (non Android, I know), otherwise I am waiting for the Incredible (4+ weeks) or the Droid X (wish I knew what Motoblur worked like). Opinions?
Rooting is easy as hell, coming from never having done anything like it.
You can unroot easily and it's untraceable.
You should get a different phone, honestly. I love my Eris, and overclocking makes it snappy and quick but it just can not compete with something like the incredible or the droid X. The incredible is WELL worth the wait.
Before you get too distraught over what to do, you should first check to see whether the phone is even rootable. 5 days old, phone from VZW? A lot of new phones coming from VZW recently are not rootable.
Chances are it has the 1.49.0000 S-ON bootloader on it, in which case, the point is moot. (No rooting an Eris with the 1.49.0000 S-ON bootloader at the moment. This is the same bootloader as was used with the "leak" V1, V2, V3 ROMs).
You can check by powering off your phone and then starting it up by pressing and holding the Send+End/Power buttons at the same time.
HBOOT version is in the 2nd line.
(Turn your phone off with a battery pull at that point).
bftb0
It says 1.47.0000 in the HBOOT line, so I am supposing it is rootable?
If it is, I wouldn't mind trying a root, rom, & OC if I can get a proper guide on how to reverse it back to stock. Don't want VZW to think I muckied up their phone should I try to return it.
I really like what I see with the Droid X. I'd even be willing to pay for it today, but waiting until July 15 or later is going to kill me. I recently got some new contracts for my business and not getting phone calls on my ATT iPhone is not a great way to treat a new client.
ATT is a joke.
The Droid X is a beast phone, I'd love to have one.
Go to the developers part of this Eris forum and there's a sticky with all of the guides and ROM's you'll need.
A few people who got there's already have posted on here and other threads it may be locked pretty good.If this is true and IF HTC does not send a OTA out for it will you keep it after 29 days?
To me if it can't be rooted by week 2-3 back it goes to sprint i have no use for it if i can't MOD it.
why theMOD EDIT does everyone play the what if game.
htc said they will unlock them how about we just wait and see and stop saying what if this happens.
I'll still keep it. I know it'll be rooted eventually. I'm currently using a Hero, so the 3D will be a definite upgrade for me.
jersey221 said:
why the **** does everyone play the what if game.
htc said they will unlock them how about we just wait and see and stop saying what if this happens.
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Yep and we have the engineer hboot. It's all a matter of patience
Im more concerned about the picture quality and battery life. I havent used my digital camera except a few times since me and my gf got the evo 4g. The 8mp cameras awesome. The battery life sucks and from what i understand should be alot better on 3d. Im so sick of my friends iphone lastin all day at work. Me on the other hand i have to throw it on the charger by lunch
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YoungSinema said:
I'll still keep it. I know it'll be rooted eventually. I'm currently using a Hero, so the 3D will be a definite upgrade for me.
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Came in here to post exactly this, word for word.
YoungSinema said:
I'll still keep it. I know it'll be rooted eventually. I'm currently using a Hero, so the 3D will be a definite upgrade for me.
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Me too! ten chars
oh and i would keep mine you know why?
cause rooting doesnt determine if i keep the phone or not yeah it would be nice to but its all extra.
I would bet 70% of the people on here would send it back before 30 days if it can't be rooted.
rdcrds said:
I would bet 70% of the people on here would send it back before 30 days if it can't be rooted.
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Yup, I'm too addicted to modding and flashing to cut it out cold turkey. The 3d is clearly a badass phone, with or without root. But for it to keep me happy, I need root. I'll give it the 29 days. If no root by then, I'd return it and go back to using my Evo, then wait and see if a root method is found for the 3d. I feel pretty confident that root will be found within that time frame though.
Anything at this point is just speculation. No one from the general public will have an EVO 3d in hand until Wednesday at the earliest.
If HTC actually plans to unlock this device, it's quite possible they are waiting until the actual release to provide the code or key. After all, what good is a key if the lock hasn't been made yet? I hope HTC provides the key publicly and not as an OTA or other update. Sprint likely would not let that fly, but it will take Sprint six months to pass it through testing if they did.
What other phone would I go to? The Nexus? If there was something out there maybe but nothing else will be here in time...or anything good anyway.
But this bad boy will be rooted. It might be a month from now but HTC will hold up there side of the bargain and give us root access.
If it can't be rooted it will be replaced. Give a dog a bone.
But it will be rooted no doubt. Have no worries friends!
well i am rather addicted to flashing roms and themes so i dont know that i would want a phone where i cant do that but im also into having a faster phone... sigh
I'll keep mine, preferably rooted; but if not, I still have another Og Evo.
We have an eng hboot. Its not about if, its about when.
seriously???? a) Do you go out looking to start [email protected]#? b) we have already had this thread with a poll even. c) HTC said the phone boot loader issue will be resolved. for a man taking sprints word who was told by HTC about no shortage issue you are now questioning HTC? WTF??
Not even sure why I waste my time responding to you.
Originally I was going to get 2, but with what looks to be a shoddy camera and not knowing when the bootloader will be unlocked, I'm going to get just one. If the one, stock, ends up being better then I feel it might be or it gets full root within a couple weeks, I'll get a 2nd. If not, I'll wait for the Galaxy S 2 and might even return the 1st EVO 3D.
It's going to boil down to how I feel about the one I get. If it's better then expected, I'll get #2. If not, and depending on how well it performs to my liking, I might keep it or get rid of it too b4 the 30 days are up.
To be honest, I'm really hoping it's better then what I think it's going to be because I really don't like Samsung phones.
I'll be keeping it. If full root isn't gained in that time frame, we might have a temp root, allowing us to at least run root apps and do some other things.
I'd probably kill it with fire.
God I just need to vent......
My ear phone speaker was blown so I cleared everything, reverted to stock with hboot 1.4 and s-on and took it to the store and asked them to fix the ear piece for me.
While he was entering data he asked if everything else was ok with the phone. I said ya it was pretty sweet, then slipped and told him it sometimes it was kinda buggy and froze some but no worries really.
He looks at me and says oh I'll take a look at it for you. Of course noticing there was an update he told me about it. I told him I'm not one for updates... if it isn't broke don't fix it right?
He looks at me and says "I see, well we will see if this solves your problem and updates to 2.08"
8(
Now I have a phone with a new ear speaker and hboot 1.5
Cheers.
tl;dr sprint tech updated my phone to 2.08 after I told him not too
Take that **** back and say you didn't want the update.
knowledge561 said:
Take that **** back and say you didn't want the update.
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... and then get terminated by sprint because of their ****ty customer service
like a bau5
are you still S-off? I guess u can flash stock RUU to retain ur old hboot.
You shouldve slapped him
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You shouldve slapped him
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I laughed. This made my day.
That sounds like a sprint rep, when I bought my 3d the guy was activating it on my account and then said oh there's an update available let me get that for you, even after I specifically told him DO NOT UPDATE THIS PHONE. He just did it anyway like an ass.
Shoot_This said:
God I just need to vent......
My ear phone speaker was blown so I cleared everything, reverted to stock with hboot 1.4 and s-on and took it to the store and asked them to fix the ear piece for me.
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can you please let me know how to revert back to stock and s-on? I have to take my phone to repair as well but don't knpw how to turn back to stock.
cheers!
brownhornet said:
You shouldve slapped him
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr-xsQvhgw
Never revert to stock for hardware issues. I pay every month for insurance, they will fix the phone. Most say that my phone is awesome & can I root theirs
justj said:
can you please let me know how to revert back to stock and s-on? I have to take my phone to repair as well but don't knpw how to turn back to stock.
cheers!
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Download the PG86IMG RUU you will find in the development section
put it on sdcard
boot into bootloader
flash update
type 'oem writesecureflag 3' into a terminal to give s-on
just leave it stock unrooted with s-off.
then they can update all they want and you have a way back.
hell just flash the latest hboot so they have nothing to blame it on.
dowmace said:
That sounds like a sprint rep, when I bought my 3d the guy was activating it on my account and then said oh there's an update available let me get that for you, even after I specifically told him DO NOT UPDATE THIS PHONE. He just did it anyway like an ass.
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That sucks man, for the OP and you. When I got mine the update thing came up and I told the rep to not update it, he said "ok no problem, just know that updates sometimes fix things" but hit cancel right away anyway.
I guess it depends who you get you know? =\ If I was in your shoes though, I would have just asked for a new one right there since you were just buying it.
same thing happened to me. it sucks
boost happy said:
Never revert to stock for hardware issues. I pay every month for insurance, they will fix the phone. Most say that my phone is awesome & can I root theirs
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This is so absolutely true. It makes me physically cringe when I see people clamoring to unroot their phones because they have to make a visit to Sprint.
They.Just.Don't.Care.
EVERY time I've gone in, I've gone in Rooted, and EVERY time, i've not only gotten exactly the same service I should expect, but usually, end up getting into a conversation with a rep about some new feature that Ive gotten, usually ending up providing dropbox links for apks, advice, etc.
<<bringing it since 2010>>
I am not sure if this will work every time, but when I was in, I left the SD Card in my pocket. When they returned it they mentioned that they were going to update for me but since there wasn't a card in it they couldn't. I have to take out back in. I think it needs to be replaced so hopefully I can get lucky again.
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Yeah, if it's hardware related, what does rooting have to do with that? lol
I have never walked into a Sprint Store in my life with reverted phone software. They take it like it is or I raise hell.
Most, if not all software issues can be resolved by simple trial and error, searching the forums, or a bit of know-how.
Hardware issues are the ONLY reason why one from XDA should ever visit a Sprint Store for phone assistance.
In a case like this, it might be a good idea to temproot and remove the security certs...the phone will download the update, but the actual installation will fail
When I bought my 3d launch day, I told the rep not to even open the box, that I would set it up and if I had problems come back.
With my OG evo I had the speaker replaced twice, both times, fully rooted with cyanogenmod. Told him I tried on stock rom and speaker was still distorted. Both times, replaced with no problem.
As mentioned before, they don't care so long as they have common sense. If it is an obvious hardware issue don't sweat it.
<-- Sprint Lead Tech
Ok I'm a lead tech at an S&R location in TX. I root every phone I get and encourage my customers to do the same (if they seem capable). While Sprint discourages rooting phones, they eliminated the prior rule about not working on rooted devices a while ago. The only thing techs won't be able to assess is software, unless they're like me and love seeing rooted devices. That being said, any and all hardware issues are to be fixed as stated by Sprint Service and Repair policy. Best thing is to just be honest and let the tech know what's going on and why you don't want anything updated. I'll keep working on pushing phone unlocking from the inside, you guys keep making progress in development.
Let me know if you guys need anything.
Just wanted to drop a line as a new Motorola Photon owner.
I have been an XDA member for years and owned multiple devices. The Photon is replacing a HTC Shift. I additionally own a Sony S tablet.
Enjoying this new device!
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Just wanted to drop a line as a new Motorola Photon owner.
I have been an XDA member for years and owned multiple devices. The Photon is replacing a HTC Shift. I additionally own a Sony S tablet.
Enjoying this new device!
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Welcome to the Photon community!
Yea, welcome to the Family!
Welcome! I'm new too. Long time lurker, brand new poster. I have the Motorola Electrify, which is basically the same as the photon with some slightly different software, and no 4G =(. If you see people saying things like "Will you make an Electrify Version?" or "Does this work on Electrify?" That's just because the Photon and Electrify are so similar that making two forums is kind of silly. Unfortunately for me, my BL is locked, but I believe all versions of the Photon can be unlocked, so if Custom ROMs tickle your fancy, you're in luck!
Iorchova said:
Unfortunately for me, my BL is locked, but I believe all versions of the Photon can be unlocked, so if Custom ROMs tickle your fancy, you're in luck!
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I would not say unfortunate, I was unlocked and custom for months. 2/15/2012 I went bone stock and never looked back!!! MotoBLUR is not the best, but play with it long enough and you get things where you want them, you become confortable? Matter fact, if you put 10 photons side-by-side, I could pick mine on the first try!
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I would not say unfortunate, I was unlocked and custom for months. 2/15/2012 I went bone stock and never looked back!!! MotoBLUR is not the best, but play with it long enough and you get things where you want them, you become confortable? Matter fact, if you put 10 photons side-by-side, I could pick mine on the first try!
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Yes, I'm mostly fine with stock. I love it honestly. I just want to remove anything that's tracking me (a root should probably help with that) and to replace webtop with Ubuntop or Webtop+ (I'm still researching this.). I wouldn't mind switching to a custom rom if it still offered the full encryption, improved Exchange connectivity and the ability to get a real read on my extended battery.
I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just finally found a post with someone that likes stock and may know enough to be able to compare both or at least help me out in my searching.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread, I just finally found a post with someone that likes stock and may know enough to be able to compare both or at least help me out in my searching.
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I don't see it as jacking, I see it as a "one shop stop" for a new member and bring them up to speed on a few items/post that may interest them.
The encryption/tracking issue has been around for some time. Personally, I dont care. I go to work, home, maybe the grocery store, mall sometimes, and law enforcement is not looking for me (I dont think). secondly, once all carriers ditch CarrierIQ (is that the company that did their tracking?, that pretty much eased some mines. Personally, my GPS and WiFi (unless I need it) are off, you may get close off cell phone tower, but exactly where I am...............
As for Stock, ROM's gave me a headache. One day the phone worked, next it did not, would get home and it was working again? When I finally decided to put it back, I made a serious effort to see what stock had to offer, 2 days later I was happy and decided to dig deeper. Yes, I have a lot of bloatware, I just don't use it! Matter fact, I really don't hit the "App's" icon. Everything I do on a normal is on one of the Panels that I can find easily. But since I use the phone so much, if I'm in e-mail and I want to chack my bank, I just press and hold the home button and the last 10 current apps come up anyway, then I open the bank.
Thanks everyone.
I am a heavy modder, and spent 5 hours the first night I had my Photon downloading apps and setting up everything the way I like.
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Thanks everyone.
I am a heavy modder, and spent 5 hours the first night I had my Photon downloading apps and setting up everything the way I like.
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F.Y.I., downloading apps and setting everything up and modding are apples and oranges. Like srkelley and I, I have downloading apps and set everything up, stock! (matter fact, at one point I had 230+ apps, broke that down to less than 60!
Modding = Rooting (gaining Admin Rights to root directory) and unlocking (kicking Sprint to the door and taking control of your phone to do anything you damm well please, Like blowing away SprintNSCAR and installing whatever you want!)
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I don't see it as jacking, I see it as a "one shop stop" for a new member and bring them up to speed on a few items/post that may interest them.
The encryption/tracking issue has been around for some time. Personally, I dont care. I go to work, home, maybe the grocery store, mall sometimes, and law enforcement is not looking for me (I dont think). secondly, once all carriers ditch CarrierIQ (is that the company that did their tracking?, that pretty much eased some mines. Personally, my GPS and WiFi (unless I need it) are off, you may get close off cell phone tower, but exactly where I am...............
As for Stock, ROM's gave me a headache. One day the phone worked, next it did not, would get home and it was working again? When I finally decided to put it back, I made a serious effort to see what stock had to offer, 2 days later I was happy and decided to dig deeper. Yes, I have a lot of bloatware, I just don't use it! Matter fact, I really don't hit the "App's" icon. Everything I do on a normal is on one of the Panels that I can find easily. But since I use the phone so much, if I'm in e-mail and I want to chack my bank, I just press and hold the home button and the last 10 current apps come up anyway, then I open the bank.
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Thank you.
I'm too boring for big brother, but if anything were to ever occur then I'd like to make things as difficult as possible for them legally. I just don't like people going through my stuff but pretty much have to accept that it happens in our lives now. Not without a fight and exercising all of my rights though!
I'm probably going to back up stock and try something else for a while. I honestly don't feel limited in stock, just in Webtop. If I'm going to really go through with modifying anything then I may try underclocking the processor to see if I can get better battery life without losing performance in regular use. I don't do anything too taxing on the phone so it's power is mostly wasted on me outside of keeping things smooth.
hello
Welcome,have you unlocked and rooted?
Hi,
I also bought it few days back and I have rooted it and installed CWM too. My photon is unlocked meaning I can put any operators sim and use it. I am now in India and using it with Tata Docomo.
If I change the rom, do I have to unlock it again or it will stay unlocked forever ?
Thanks.
kikloo said:
Hi,
I also bought it few days back and I have rooted it and installed CWM too. My photon is unlocked meaning I can put any operators sim and use it. I am now in India and using it with Tata Docomo.
If I change the rom, do I have to unlock it again or it will stay unlocked forever ?
Thanks.
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You've unlocked the bootloader, so you can install custom ROMs, kernels, etc.
GSM isn't locked unless you are in the US, its a world phone.
Another Electrify user here, but I'm neither new here, nor new to the device. I've had it for a little over 4 months now. And I will never go back to stock. Screw that. The closest I will consider going is CM7.2. CyanogenMod+Gingerbread. I really don't want to downgrade from ICS, though. It's too nice. I will admit part of the thrill is having something most others (93% of Android users!) do not, but I genuinely like it on its own as well. I just got a huge performance increase going from stock to Joker's CM9, and ICS requires more resources than Gingerbread. Yet the phone runs faster? How does THAT work? It's because of bloatware. And Blur is just terribad. I imagine CM7.2 would be pretty slick since it doesn't require the power of ICS and has all the crap from Blur removed.
kikloo said:
If I change the rom, do I have to unlock it again or it will stay unlocked forever ?
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Nope! If you unlock the bootloader, it's unlocked. Flashing ROMs doesn't touch the bootloader. To re-lock the bootloader you would have to flash a locked bootloader. I haven't heard of anybody doing that, though.
tl;dr ...HTC EVO LTE unlocked via HTCdev and running CM11 needs to be activated on another Sprint subscriber's account. What should I do to make sure that goes smoothly in the next few hours?
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Good friend of mine just got back from a trip to SE Asia and lost her phone. She's back in good 'ol murica now and needs a handset pronto, but miraculously she's taking my advice and holding off on walking into Sprint and leaving with whatever is there, so she can shop around online and find a better deal.
I currently have an HTC Hero, HTC Evo LTE, and LG G3 that are just backup devices to screw around with, so I can lend one to the cause. The Hero just ain't gonna fly, and the G3 is my primary backup and would rather not lend her that one if possible. That leaves Jewel. Mine is unlocked via HTC Dev and currently running CM. I called up the store we'd be going to just to make sure they didn't get weird about the fact that the bootloader is unlocked for whatever reason, to which they replied that as long as it was originally a Sprint phone (check) and still had its SIM card (check), then they'd be fine with trying to activate it. The fella was more worried about being able to successfully activate it than anything else.
This brings me to my question: has anyone done something similar? Ideally, I'd just do a full wipe and bring it in ready to go, but I'm curious about possible technical issues with the fact it is running CM. Should I flash a ROM based on the latest version of Sense or is that unnecessary? What other things might I keep in mind? I want her to be able to have a phone for a week or however long it takes her to get a good one, then deactivate it so I can resume using it as a project device. It'd be great to just restore a TWRP backup after I get the phone back and be right where I left off.
Usually I find these things aren't as simple though. I don't know when sleeping beauty is going to wake up from jetlag hell since on her schedule it feels like 4am right now (its almost 2pm CST at time of posting), but I'm hoping to get some advice on how to properly proceed in the next few hours here.
I'm just spit balling but I would imagine it would have to be a stock Sprint rom in order for them to be able to activate it.
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I'm just spit balling but I would imagine it would have to be a stock Sprint rom in order for them to be able to activate it.
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Yup....
I should be more than a bit embarrassed right now, but given how ludicrous the whole situation was a few minutes ago in the store, now it's just funny. Suffice to say, my friend is still without a phone. Silver lining is that I can see the path out and think I can deliver on this as soon as I get home and get some time. Will update later of course!