Can more people contact Viber team and push them to fix this "bug"?
When you set Wi-fi sleep policy to "When screen turns off"
Viber actually prevents this setting and keeps Wi-fi on all the time.
I don't like having an app that overrides my system settings and Viber should disable this "feature"
When I uninstall Viber then my Wi-fi sleep policy works the way I set it up.
I have contacted Viber team for some weeks ago but it seems that they don´t care about one single user.
We need to push them, if I want my phone to use 3G/GSM when screen is off it´s my choice, not vibers.
Please support!
Edit: Viber team has responded and is finally fixing this bug!
There probably doing you a favour i get much better battery leaving wifi on and not 3g.
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There probably doing you a favour i get much better battery leaving wifi on and not 3g.
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But not all people, SGS2 gets some drain with some routers and my battery last longer on 3G, but i prefer the speeds on my wifi and want to use it when my screen is on.
I have great 3G reception in my area so 3G is best for my battery when idle.
So I don´t need a bloody favor from viber, I want to set up my phone the way I want.
rodak said:
I want to set up my phone the way I want.
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right, in the spirit of android.
HearthC0re said:
right, in the spirit of android.
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Viber is written in the spirit of iOS
Hi,
This is a member of the Viber Development Team.
This is something that has been brought to our attention by many users such as yourself, and it is definitely a priority for future development.
@rodak - Thank you for pushing us a little harder, just don't push us over the edge
Please feel free to let us know your thoughts, questions and comments.
Thanks,
Viber Team
Viber Team said:
Hi,
This is a member of the Viber Development Team.
This is something that has been brought to our attention by many users such as yourself, and it is definitely a priority for future development.
@rodak - Thank you for pushing us a little harder, just don't push us over the edge
Please feel free to let us know your thoughts, questions and comments.
Thanks,
Viber Team
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Thank you for your response.
I really like your app and use it all the time, but this "feature" is really bugging me since it impacts on my battery life.
Hope you fix it soon, and no, I wont push you over the edge
Like everything else about the app and don´t care about emotions and other stuff that I saw other people are requesting.
As long as I can call my friends and still have control over my settings i´m fine.
Thanks for an almost great app
very good ,thanks
+1
Can somebody let us know here when its fixed
So I can reinstall it
Viber keeps WiFi alive because it naturally thinks you intended to keep it available.
Might be a dumb question, but why aren't you simply disabling WiFi when you go to skeep at night? According to what you're saying, you want your WiFi to shut down the second your screen is turned off. After that, it will be deactivated for hours and hours until you wake up anyway.
See my point?
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Viber keeps WiFi alive because it naturally thinks you intended to keep it available.
Might be a dumb question, but why aren't you simply disabling WiFi when you go to skeep at night? According to what you're saying, you want your WiFi to shut down the second your screen is turned off. After that, it will be deactivated for hours and hours until you wake up anyway.
See my point?
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You have misunderstood the whole thing.
We want wifi to sleep when phone sleeps, not when we are going to bed.
Some routers drains battery more than 3G if you have good 3G signal.
So I only want to use wifi when my screen is on. Just because greater speed. But when I turn off my screen I want wifi to sleep and 3G to take over. Just to save battery.
No other apps I have keeps wifi alive and I have 70+ apps installed.
Android users want to control the settings the way they want.
We don't need an app that "assumes" that we want wifi to be kept alive.
See my point?
Sorry to say but the only thing that keeps me away from viber is this stupid wifi keep alive "bug".
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Go to wifi settings, advanced. There you see wifi sleep policy. Under this you see 3 options you can make.
They are there for a reason. Some users want wifi to sleep when phone sleeps. Some want it to be on the whole time, and some only when the phone is plugged to charger.
If it was supposed to have wifi on all the time this options would not be there.
I want to control my own settings, don't need Viber team to control this for me.
Should be illegal!
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@rodak -
We fully understand your criticism and respect your will to control your own Android.
However, please note that the number of users that want their 3G to be kept on instead of their WiFi does not make up the majority, and in fact makes up an extremely small percentage of users. At the Beta stages we tried implementing this feature for some of our testers, and this resulted in receiving multiple complaints from users that their Viber was not working properly. When we dug deeper we realized that this was the issue. Apparently, there are quite a few users that somehow accidentally turned this feature on, but did not realize that they did.
As such, we do not believe adding an extra "turn off WiFi" option is needed. It would merely serve to unnecessarily complicate the application. We are sorry if this is not the answer that you were looking for, but we need to make sure that adding features that would make some happy would not hurt other users.
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@rodak -
We fully understand your criticism and respect your will to control your own Android.
However, please note that the number of users that want their 3G to be kept on instead of their WiFi does not make up the majority, and in fact makes up an extremely small number of users. At the Beta stages we tried implementing this feature for some of our testers, and this resulted in receiving multiple complaints from users that their Viber was not working properly. When we dug deeper realized that this was the issue. Apparently, there are quite a few users that somehow have this on, but do not know about it.
As such, we do not believe adding an extra "turn off WiFi" option is needed. It would merely serve to unnecessarily complicate the application. We are sorry if this is not the answer that you were looking for, but we need to make sure that adding features that would make some happy would not hurt other users.
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Total fail viber.
As mentioned over 70 apps installed and only viber gets in the way of my settings.
Why not simple add this word in vibers description:
If you want viber to run at wifi all the time, simple change your wifi sleep policy to never under wifi settings.
Or just a simple "wifi always on" on/off switch in the app.
But you go iOS style, control stupid users that should have a dumbphone and can't change their own settings. So lets put them in "jail" and control their life.
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rodak said:
Total fail viber.
As mentioned over 70 apps installed and only viber gets in the way of my settings.
Why not simple add this word in vibers description:
If you want viber to run at wifi all the time, simple change your wifi sleep policy to never under wifi settings.
Or just a simple "wifi always on" on/off switch in the app.
But you go iOS style, control stupid users that should have a dumbphone and can't change their own settings. So lets put them in "jail" and control their life.
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Rodak,
Again, we understand your point completely. We don't regard our users as stupid, and never have we done so. Among the Android community we get many, *many* requests and suggestions like the one you are making. We welcome the criticism and requirements - that's why we have representation in forums!
However, please bear in mind that we are not able to comply with everyone's demands all the time. By itself, adding the option of "non-sleep wifi" button on/off isn't technologically complex of course, but doing so will again raise the previous problem. Users who accidentally use this feature will have their WiFi go to sleep. They will receive Viber calls (who will now use their 3G connection) and the sound quality will be disrupted, thus creating even more negative comments and complaints, etc etc.
When your product serves tens of millions of users it is hard to find the balance between all the requests. In this specific story, we are compelled to go with the preference of the large majority. We understand the inconvenience caused to others (like yourself) and we apologize for it, but by no means do we keep "insisting for no reason" because we believe our users are dumb. Trust us, all we do all day is listen to our users. I think XDA is the best example
This was the reason i left viber, and you dont need an extra button, you should not override the system settings, without telling your users. That's just bad policy.
If you don't want to use common sence and make your app listen to your users device settings, the least you should do is to tell them about it.
Your answer is also just a sign of lack of respect, you can talk about the community all you want, and how complex your problem is, but fact remains. You dont give a **** about our settings, and therefore you can write a whole seminar for all i care, it's just wrong to do this.
I dont want an extra option viber team, i already have this option to set my wifi sleep policy, why would you deny me the right to change this without telling me?
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This was the reason i left viber, and you dont need an extra button, you should not override the system settings, without telling your users. That's just bad policy.
If you don't want to use common sence and make your app listen to your users device settings, the least you should do is to tell them about it.
Your answer is also just a sign of lack of respect, you can talk about the community all you want, and how complex your problem is, but fact remains. You dont give a **** about our settings, and therefore you can write a whole seminar for all i care, it's just wrong to do this.
I dont want an extra option viber team, i already have this option to set my wifi sleep policy, why would you deny me the right to change this without telling me?
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Totally agree verrox. To bad that we don't get more users with us.
But OK, I'll make an app that turns your brightness to Max, turns off autorotate and turns on data roaming. Just to guarantee my users that they see the screen even in daylight, and that they don't get confused if the screen autorotates and last I'll enable the data roaming so they don't wonder why my app doesn't works when they go to another country.
All this is user settings FAILBER TEAM!!!
It's just wrong to manipulate this.
And for your information, wifi kicks back in when screen is turned on, so just keep wifi on during call will be enough. Don't override our settings in the OS. Fail fail fail.
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Totally agree verrox. To bad that we don't get more users with us.
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That's exactly the point - if there was a larger number of users requesting it, we would make the change in a heartbeat.
I apologize that you and @verrox feel like we're neglecting your requests, but as explained above - that is not true. Just FYI - I have raised your request all the way up to our CEO, but again - we wish we could help *ALL* users in the world who all had just one very important request. But unfortunately our resources are limited
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And for your information, wifi kicks back in when screen is turned on, so just keep wifi on during call will be enough.
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This unfortunately won't be possible, because there are serious problems of Android itself - it can't handle a clean switch between 3G and WiFi (this has been tested numerous times). We can't trigger the call on 3G, wait for Android to successfully (if at all) switch to WiFi, and only then start the call. The delay cuts the call.
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That's exactly the point - if there was a larger number of users requesting it, we would make the change in a heartbeat.
I apologize that you and @verrox feel like we're neglecting your requests. Just FYI - I have raised your request all the way up to our CEO, but again - we wish we could help *ALL* users in the world who all had just one very important request. But unfortunately our resources are limited
This unfortunately won't be possible, because there are serious problems of Android itself - it can't handle a clean switch between 3G and WiFi (this has been tested numerous times). We can't trigger the call on 3G, wait for Android to successfully (if at all) switch to WiFi, and only then start the call. The delay cuts the call.
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Then thank you and goodbye.
As stated before, viber is the only app that overrides my settings and I simply won't accept that.
There is a few more users at Swedish community's that is bothered about you way of interacting with our settings.
There are people that even have wiped their phones just because they thought there was some bug in the software.
Can you imagine how many hours people lay down to just find out that it's viber that keeps the wifi on?
You must type in description: BE WARNED, VIBER WILL KEEP YOUR WIFI ON ALL THE TIME AND IGNORE WIFI SLEEP POLICY. SO NO NEED TO FACTORY RESET YOUR PHONE. IT JUST OUR FAULT!!
I will investigate this and see if there is any legal action that I can take against this.
As I see this, this bull**** that you are doing is illegal.
This is my settings and you are not allowed to override this.
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Please relax, and let's keep this discussion civilized.
Your idea of adding a message (in Market, for example) that states that Viber needs to keep your WiFi enabled is a good idea. I will certainly pass it on to our management. Thank you!
By the way, it is important to clarify something - Viber keep WiFi on *only* instead of WiFi-sleep policy. By no means does it try to "fight" the manual disabling of WiFi on your Android.
Anyway, I will certainly keep you posted if I have any news. Thank you again for your concern and comments
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I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
Thanks,
Okachowwa
Menu -> settings -> wireless & networks -> wi-fi settings -> menu -> advanced -> wi-fi sleep policy -> never
I think that's it.
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okachowwa said:
I recently flashed on cm7 on my aria. it is great but my data usage began shooting up. i realized it was due to the fact that everytime i lock my phone, it disables my wifi (i saw this because everytime i unlock im on 3g for a 1-2 seconds then i get on wifi so that means that the whole time my phone is locked it uses 3g data ) is there anyway i can prevent this from occurring??
Thanks,
Okachowwa
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Have you checked the Wifi Settings to see which sleep option is selected? There is an 'Never' option which tells wifi to stay on even when the phone sleeps.
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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klbmth said:
One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
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One thing I noticed its that if I leave my house I have to turn off wifi and turn it back on to find my router.
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Yup, I have the same issue with CM7 nightlies. This worked flawlessly in CM6 and stock2.1. So far there isn't a viable solution.
from the CM6.1.1 thread...
Q. How do I keep my wifi from going to sleep every time the screen shuts off?
A. There is a hidden feature that disables wifi sleep.
menu > Settings > Wireless & networks > wifi settings > menu (again) > advanced > Wi-Fi Sleep policy > Never > menu > Save
However: although you can keep the wifi service from sleeping, the wifi driver will still sleep on it's own after detecting no bus activity for a period of time.
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from the CM6.1.1 thread...
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
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Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
I've had the same behavior on FR008 and the stock ATT 2.1 load as well. When Wifi is in that on but not really connected state some apps can wake it up...the default browser usually will, but Listen would not. I just gave up and only turn on wifi when I need it.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
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Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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yup...that's why you just turn your wifi off with the notification widget (very simple and painless might I add) if you know you're leaving the house...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network? all it's going to do is drain your battery. i left my wifi enabled one day when i sent to work and within half the day i had ~12% battery life...definitely not good practice to leave it enabled that's my 2 cents, do as you wish though. to each his own.
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That's a good tip, I feel kind of dumb for not thinking about it lol and I also agree that it is good practice to do so. I just wanted to point it out in case a dev was going through this thread which is relevant to the topic.
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Well, just because people don't work exactly like you work, does not mean they are doing it wrong. If something is broken I'm going to call it out. I might be incorrect, but let's be clear: you aren't questioning that wifi in CM7 isn't working the way it did in CM6, you are questioning my behavior -- which is a weak argument.
I guess you don't understand the issue, so I'll spell it out:
Wifi worked flawlessly and automatically for me in stock 2.1 AND CM6. This automatic behavior does not work in CM7. Manually toggling something that simply "just worked" before is a regression, not a feature. Hence the reason I point it out -- the devs can't fix something unless they know it's broken, and I seriously doubt the devs are able to test all/every permutation. I have nothing but respect for the work they do, thus my very respectful tones in my earlier posts. I've had no indication that the devs are unwilling to get feedback about their work.
You asked a question though, and here is the answer:
I leave Wifi on all the time because I'm a consultant -- I work in many different locations throughout the week, travelling the country. I have dozens of wifi networks saved on my phone, and it is useful for me to have my phone automatically jump on the correct, nearest network. I'd rather use free wifi instead of paying AT&T for data charges. It is not always possible for me to remember I'm in a location with a known wifi network, or to remember to manually toggle wifi settings: it is useful for me to have this happen in the background. Sometimes I'm on a call, sometimes I'm heading into a meeting and I'd rather not mess with my phone. I want wifi to be on all time, scanning for the correct network, and jumping on it when it's in range.
Outrageous, right?! Not actually -- this is the existing behavior in CM6 and stock 2.1. From my standpoint, wifi just worked -- I didn't have to think about it, didn't have to manually toggle something to prevent AT&T data charges.
This is desired behavior for me, and I'm happy with rolling back to CM6 to get it. I understand that _you_ don't need this behavior, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. It just means the world is bigger than you realized.
And yes: wifi in CM7 (beta) is currently broken. Read the threads. Many people are having problems with it.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Also, being a "consultant" and the very important man you are, flashing a rom that's not even in beta stages yet probably isn't the best idea you've ever had.
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Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
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fyi CM6 & 2.1 != CM7. Your argument is null & void.
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...although I have a strong suspicion.
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Why do you remind us that the rom is in a beta stage? "Beta" implies it is not fully functional, but your argument all along has been that it works perfectly....
Look, it's clear you haven't actually understood any of my posts. I'm highlighting error messages or erratic behavior I see in logcat running CM7. I've posted what I've seen so the devs can take action, or not, as they choose. Since you aren't in that audience I don't understand what your beef is.
Oh wait! Straw man arguments; personal attacks; logical fallacies: I've been dealing with either a highschool student or a troll - not sure which.
...although I have a strong suspicion.
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First of all:
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Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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That being said. Beta does NOT necessarily imply that thing are not fully functioning, it simply implies that it hasn't been put into RC or stable. You can have a fully functioning beta program. HOWEVER, it may not be working properly. But creating a thread about an issue that's been brought up 20+ times now is pointless. I'm PRETTY sure the devs know about the issue, should it actually be an issue. Now that I just wasted another 15 seconds of my life, i'm going to casually /part from this thread and I'll end my post with this quote again, in case you didn't catch it the first time.
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Just because something does not work they way you'd like it to doesn't mean you've discovered a bug.
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This is for OP and very important man of the day, kinggrowler:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11171075&postcount=1054
and i'll even quote it directly for you:
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There are no broad wifi issues to resolve, and I do not plan to change the wifi driver one iota. I am using the one that works right for most people, and flawlessly for me.
If you are not having such luck, then you need to look at your access point if you have already wiped data.
Really, the constant carping about wifi is absolutely pointless.
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I believe the proper thing for me to say right now would be:
game. set. match.
Me too. I can't roam between networks, either. I have to disable and re-enable the wifi each time.
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...what's the point of having wifi enabled if you're not in range of your network?
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1) Because Google Maps uses known wifi hotspots to help establish your location.
2) So that you don't have to keep toggling wifi on and off when moving between hotspots (or home and work, for example).
3) To use the network notification feature (aka "notify me when an open network is available").
HTH
Edit: seems to be fixed in RC3!
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What is the point of having wifi set to ON when you are not in range of a network? Hence why, if you are using CM7 or CM6, you should utilize the notification widget and turn wifi off if you know you're leaving the area of your network. It's simple. Things aren't ALWAYS going to work how YOU want them to work. Thing will not always be automatic. I think I quote attn1 when I say this, just because it doesn't work how you want it to work, does not mean it is broken.
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i have try everything and still same issues with wifi. and i change the radio ( baseband ). still i am thinking of uninstalling it bc i dont have wifi
Sorry to tell you but that was with the old wifi stuff (every nightly up to build 25), which I had no problem with. The RC/nightlies have new wifi data made by jznomoney, which I have on and off problems with. Its working for most people but there are a handful who are having problems. I flashed ladios' kernel and my wifi is doing a lot better with the new RC/nightlies.
Signatures are fancy.
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I've made sure to set Wifi Sleep Policy to "Never" but that did not fix my wifi problems. What I see when I open Wifi Settings is a cycle of:
Code:
Scanning --> Connecting --> Disconnected... Scanning, etc
When I look in logcat it shows it attemping (in vain) to authenticate against the last wifi network I was using -- even though it is no longer in range (and clear across town). In a nutshell it is refusing to recognize the actual nearby network UNTIL I toggle wifi settings.
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I've noticed something similar with CM7 on my Aria. When I leave the house and come back it doesn't always connect automatically and it will enter into this cycle of scanning, connecting, disconnected.
I had to reboot the phone to get it to stop the cycle and stay connected. I don't use a lot of data anyway but I still prefer to use wifi when available. Interestingly just now it wouldn't even see any of my neighbor's wifi networks at all which is odd.
I have been thinking recently about moving on to a newer Android device for a phone, and converting my Eris into a general purpose, WiFi-only Android device, for things like Media center remote control, Portable MP3 player, etc.
My question, basically, is whether or not its possible to completely disable the cellular radio and any other associated phone/mms/3G/2G drivers and utilities. Stripping out all the miscellaneous apks and apps i dont want is the easy part. Removing drivers, disabling devices, and modifying config files is the part i'm not comfortable with yet. Any tips, pointers or links would be awesome.
Is anybody else interested in having a ROM like this distributed on this forum? I can start posting my progress builds on here if there is interest. Otherwise, if something like this already exists, please let me know!
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
When you setup your device on first boot after flashing a rom doesn't it have an option for wifi only connection on setup? Granted you may still have to airplane mode afterwards like said above, not really sure but worth a try.... hope this helps.
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I'd be interested, I wouldn't mind letting a youngin use it for mp3 player or something but always worried about an accidental 911 call or something dumb like that
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I think you could take an existing ROM and prune it from them and be happy. Removing drivers or disabling devices ? Not really necessary.... I think if you removed "phone.apk", there'd be no accidental 911 calls made, at least. My first thought was, don't activate it, but you can always make 911 calls as alluded to.
I realize removing the non-used stuff is likely in effort to trim it down to just the necessary stuff, but as I said, it might be overkill.
I've actually been thinking something like this would be awesome for when I retire this thing I say +1
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dragon1018 said:
as far as using it as a wi-fi only device you can simply put the phone into airplane mode and then urn on the wi-fi.
Unwanted programs I have used this program (link below)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=628138
If your phone is rooted you can use the application manager to erase any app you want and hopefully thats good enough for what your looking for. I
It sounds like your looking to do more that I have knowledge in so hopefully this will help till you get the setup your looking for
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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Airplane mode turns off the WIFI, too. It turns off any and ALL wireless signals, 2G, 3G, Wifi, any.
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You can re-enable WiFi after you enable airplane mode.
You could always go into the test call mode or whatever the field programming thing is and disable the radio from there. I forget exactly what the number is to call but it's the one that brings up all the field test tools and stuff...there's an option to completely disable the cellular radio.
Sounds like your basically looking for a honeycomb rom. Pretty sure if we just wait a bit we could possibly see something like that soon. I have faith in our devs.
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I am looking for something like this too. I just bought a bluetooth odb2 adapter so I can use my old eris to monitor my vehicle and do gps and music. I'll probably even make a sweet case for it so basically only the screen shows and it could be installed in the dash. It could sync music whenever I am home in range of wifi. Plus with the new google maps "offline" feature, I could cache frequently used areas.
I think you should go ahead and start something of a tutorial. Just start from a good lean stable 2.2 rom and document what you remove/add etc. and what apps work best for something like that.
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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If you do that doesn't it also disable GPS except if wifi is on? I noticed that some still want to use GPS and I know that if you disable network GPS only works through wifi
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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This is an great concept for a ROM. I have also been thinking about this, because shortly I will be retiring this little guy. I was going to give it to my wife because she refuses to get a smartphone and has an mp3 player from like 8 years ago that she refuses to upgrade! The Eris keeps my kids busy when we are out also. This way I wouldn't have to worry about my kids (or my wife) doing something stupid!
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True.
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bftb0 said:
If you remove /system/bin/rild, (the "Radio Interface Layer Daemon") there is no longer a possibility of dialing any calls, getting any voice or data service, SMS, MMS et cetera.
This is not the same thing as turning off power to the radio, however. I think you would want to do that for reasons of power conservation alone.
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Does it work better to remove the line from init.d or whatever? Or do errors finding files not matter?
There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
that sounds awesome can't wait to put it on my eris when i get the Thunderbolt!
and my next phone will have mobile hotspot so whenever I am in my car and away from my home wifi, my "carputer" will have internet access for maps. sweet
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There is a project underway to do this very thing, keep an eye on these forums and they'll be posting it when its ready for the world.
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Do you know who is going to post it?
Long story short. I want to turn my old Android phone (HTC Inspire 4G) into a tracking device to catch a thief. The area near my house is plagued by motorcycle thieves who swipe bags from walking pedestrians. My idea is to carry a bait bag with an old, broken laptop in it and sew my phone to the inside of the bag where it will not be found. For my idea to work best, I need software that can perform specific functions, and so I come here for recommendations on how to accomplish this.
I need the device to operate in an ultra-low power mode where it is only listening for text messages and all sound is turned off. I don't know how long I will have to walk around with the bag before the thieves takes the bait, so I need the phone to conserve as much power as possible until the actual tracking operation begins.
Once the bag is in the thieves hands, I need to be able to control and activate the phone via text message. The phone must be in Silent Mode so that the thieves don't hear the incoming text messages. Additionally, I would not want the screen to light up or for any other message indicator to possibly shine through the bag's fabric and tip them off about the presence of the phone.
First, I will be using a "disposable" prepaid SIM card (lets call this the trackingSIM). I don't want to use my actual postpaid account with unlimited internet (lets call this mySIM). I need mySIM to communicate with the trackingSIM. So the problem is that the phone WON'T have unlimited internet access when it is stolen. I'll need to activate that remotely. Usually this is done by sending a specific text message to the Carrier with a code that activates unlimited internet for a period of time and deducts the cost from a balance on the SIM. But since I won't actually have the phone in my possession, I'll need some kind of program that allows me to remote control the phone and tell the phone to send a text message on its own. In summary, I need to send a text message from mySIM to the trackingSIM which will then trigger the trackingSIM to send another text message to a specific number. (like, if I send "SENDTXT 5551212 internets" from mySIM to trackingSIM, then the trackingSIM phone would resend a text message "internets" to the number 5551212)
Once internet is activated, the Carrier sends a text message response confirming that the phone now has unlimited internet access for a specified time period. It would be nice if the phone could forward that reply from trackingSIM to mySIM so that I know the task is complete.
Now that the phone has internet access, I need to actually turn on the 3G radio and the GPS antenna (which should have previously been off to conserve battery) also via text message. Something like "GPS ON" and "3G ON" from mySIM to the trackingSIM would be great. And if the phone could reply with a confirmation text, that would be even better.
The last step would be to activate the tracking software. I need some kind of tracking software that would also activate via text message, and provide a confirmation text if possible.
Once the tracking software is activated, I need the following features:
Realtime tracking via a website. If it can work well on a mobile website as well (like an iPhone's Safari or Chrome browser), even better
Complete tracking history. Even if the signal dies, I want to know their last known location. If they move during the night and I have to sleep, I don't want to lose any data because I was wasn't watching every single moment. I plan to take all this information to the local police, so I need as much data as possible.
Once I have located the thieves loation and brought the police in, I need to be able to find the phone and bag as quickly and easily as possible. I'd like to be able to bring the phone OUT of Silent Mode, again with a text message, and activate an alarm at the highest possible volume setting, again with a text message.
Optionally, once I have Internet access established on the phone, I could possibly accomplish some of these tasks through another form of remote access such as SSH.
Optionally, if I could also somehow initiate a telephone call with the phone once it has reached its "final" location, then I could use the phone as a microphone as well and potentially get more evidence regarding the thieves' names, intentions, or guilt. This would also need to occur in complete silence as I would not want the thieves to hear a ring or see any flashing lights or lit up screen. Somehow I would need the phone to automatically answer a phone call that met some predetermined signal.
Optionally, it would also be nice to be able to initiate a voice recording remotely for the same reasons as 6. A voice recording might be easier to initiate and would probably have better audio quality (but would only be useful after the phone was recovered, whereas 6. could aid in the actual recovery).
Most of what you want can be accomplished very, very easy. If you can root the phone. You would be able to Install avast antivirus. Avast has an anti-theft feature that you can activate from a phone AND/OR the internet. You can lock the phone so no one else can use it, send a text or command from a computer to TRACK THE DEVICE. It will automatically turn on GPS and send location as often as you choose. Avast works on smart phones only. That is the downside. Avast does the alarm thing also. "THIS PHONE HAS BEEN LOST OR STOLEN" with a siren.
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Even better I could build an app for you to do that as avast won't be able to start 3g send message to carrier etc etc it'll need Internet access up and running before hand also no call records while a custom made app can do all of this
If you like the idea just drop me a pm
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Honestly, what do you need 3G for? It doesn't help track. GPS and Wi-Fi do that. Watch your cost. Avast has already been written. Call logs? What for. Check out the play store for an app called M-SPY. You text the phone and it will call you back. Avast does the rest.
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Honestly, what do you need 3G for? It doesn't help track. GPS and Wi-Fi do that. Watch your cost. Avast has already been written. Call logs? What for. Check out the play store for an app called M-SPY. You text the phone and it will call you back. Avast does the rest.
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I want to track the phone while it is on the move on the motorcycle in real-time. How could I do that with Wi-Fi? Additionally, free and open unsecured Wi-Fi hotspots are not available everywhere. There is no guarantee that the phone would be able to connect and send data once it reached its final destination wherever the thieves live/work. In fact, even with 3G there is no guarantee as there are always cellular dead spots.
Thanks for the recommendations.
My point exactly. Avast uses available Wi-Fi along with GPS to track in real time, displayed on a map. I don't believe you can use 3g for that. Avast has the siren, tracking and other features. My-spy has the call feature. Avast will automatically turn on GPS for tracking if it is off. Turn on a siren when you choose, for recovery. Text is for if you want to use your cell. You can do everything from a computer. The thieves will not know, as all this will be hidden, unless you lock the phone. M-Spy can review the text and call you back so you can listen to the noise around the phone without the perps knowing. These two together fit what it sounds like you need. Avast is free for the FULL version, forever. I am not sure about the cost of M-SPY.
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My point exactly. Avast uses available Wi-Fi along with GPS to track in real time, displayed on a map. I don't believe you can use 3g for that. Avast has the siren, tracking and other features. My-spy has the call feature. Avast will automatically turn on GPS for tracking if it is off. Turn on a siren when you choose, for recovery. Text is for if you want to use your cell. You can do everything from a computer. The thieves will not know, as all this will be hidden, unless you lock the phone. M-Spy can review the text and call you back so you can listen to the noise around the phone without the perps knowing. These two together fit what it sounds like you need. Avast is free for the FULL version, forever. I am not sure about the cost of M-SPY.
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So if there is no Wi-Fi available then your solution won't work? That sounds far too risky for my plan to work. The country where I live does not have ubiquitous free Wi-Fi access, especially in the shadier parts of town where the thieves are likely to reside.
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So if there is no Wi-Fi available then your solution won't work? That sounds far too risky for my plan to work. The country where I live does not have ubiquitous free Wi-Fi access, especially in the shadier parts of town where the thieves are likely to reside.
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You really don't want to rely on public wifi anyone can mess with them
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You do not use Wi-Fi for tracking, really. You use GPS and my recommended setup will work
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I use avast, and I'm not sure if gps is all that's needed or not.
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Is your phone rooted with antitheft root installed? Avast uses GPS and Wi-Fi, if Wi-Fi is available, to track the phone. Research it.
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fathertomany said:
Is your phone rooted with antitheft root installed? Avast uses GPS and Wi-Fi, if Wi-Fi is available, to track the phone. Research it.
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Lol.
I'm a little shocked at someone asking me if my phone is rooted, I'll admit I was literally speechless for a second haha.
What I meant was that I have it installed already but haven't checked out the tracking yet. I tried it once with the gps turned off at work, and wasn't sure how to turn the gps on to see the unit. Theoretically, gps is one way, isn't it? It grabs the satellite signal that's beamed down and triangulates the position. So it would need some sort of data to send that data back to the end user online. Given that wifi access points are not guaranteed among criminals, I'd cast my vote for finding some way to turn on mobile data from the app also.
Btw, he's using an HTC Inspire most likely running my Rom. Yes, I'm sure it's rooted.
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Lol.
I'm a little shocked at someone asking me if my phone is rooted, I'll admit I was literally speechless for a second haha.
What I meant was that I have it installed already but haven't checked out the tracking yet. I tried it once with the gps turned off at work, and wasn't sure how to turn the gps on to see the unit. Theoretically, gps is one way, isn't it? It grabs the satellite signal that's beamed down and triangulates the position. So it would need some sort of data to send that data back to the end user online. Given that wifi access points are not guaranteed among criminals, I'd cast my vote for finding some way to turn on mobile data from the app also.
Btw, he's using an HTC Inspire most likely running my Rom. Yes, I'm sure it's rooted.
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HAD to ask. rotflmao.:silly:
when you installed avast, did you install the antitheft feature ROOTED? IF SO, Access the app on your phone and view all of the settings for it.Also, go online to AVAST and login to your account. Avast will automatically turn on the GPS (NOT Wi-Fi??) on the target phone, SECRETLY. you can set it to report position at any interval. Avast has many more functions, also. maybe the one you mentioned.
AGAIN - LMAO HAHAHAHAHA.:cyclops:
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M-SPY does the phone listening feature.
I tried it when I got it (yes root installed with anti theft in the system partition) but I couldn't get it to work the first time for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow night and see if it works now. It's been a few versions back.
If it does work as advertised, I'd count avast as one of the easiest and most cost effective options you can find.
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I tried it when I got it (yes root installed with anti theft in the system partition) but I couldn't get it to work the first time for some reason. I'll try again tomorrow night and see if it works now. It's been a few versions back.
If it does work as advertised, I'd count avast as one of the easiest and most cost effective options you can find.
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EXACTLY!! IT'S FREE.
Make sure you have setup ALL of the options. ANTI-THEFT and SETTINGS options. It is way easier to send commands from a computer but the "friends" numbers can send the text. on smart phones with a decent size screen, you can send the commands from the browser. one last thing- make sure avast has administrative rights. either in settings or anti-theft options.
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You do not use Wi-Fi for tracking, really. You use GPS and my recommended setup will work
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I'm not sure if you just don't understand how these things work ... the phone uses GPS to track itself: yes. But how to get the GPS data from the phone to me in a different location? The GPS data must be sent wirelessly from the phone.
This requires WiFi or a Cellular (4G, 3G, Edge, etc) connection.
I cannot track the phone with a GPS connection alone.
I can't rely on WiFi to be available wherever the thieves end up.
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I'm not sure if you just don't understand how these things work ... the phone uses GPS to track itself: yes. But how to get the GPS data from the phone to me in a different location? The GPS data must be sent wirelessly from the phone.
This requires WiFi or a Cellular (4G, 3G, Edge, etc) connection.
I cannot track the phone with a GPS connection alone.
I can't rely on WiFi to be available wherever the thieves end up.
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I told you about the app but you weren't interested bad luck bro
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The regular data on the phone will work fine. No need for faster data transfer such as Wi-Fi or 3g. Remotely turning on and off the data can be googled. Maybe there is already a way to do that.
go to the google market and search for XTRASEC PHONE LOCATOR. Sounds exactly like what you want!!
Sorry if I come across rude but try the search function. Everything I have posted to you, I used GOOGLE to find.
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just FYI followup to anyway looking to do the same...
Android Lost (androidlost.com) is an incredible tracking tool and completely free! (though I recommend supporting the developer by buying the "premium" version, all the "premium" features are also available for free)
Also, Avast! Anti-theft as recommended above is also great, and it does report over 3G or Edge or WiFi
I upgraded my phone to KK back in late december and have been on it ever since but one problem has plagued me since then and I'm hoping to get some insight here. heres the problem...
When im connected to wifi (and this is only with wifi, not MD) I don't get my push notifications (gmail,fb,words,hangouts,etc) when the screen is off.Often i turn my screen on and get a barrage of notifications that i should have gotten hours ago. Ive tried all the sleep modes and Ive tried turning off wifi optimization.Nothing works and I know for fact it did not do this on JB.
I DO get text messages and phone calls instantly though but nothing else will wake my phone up. While i do enjoy the deep sleep, i would like to get my notifications in a reasonable amount of time without having to turn the phone on to check them.
Has anyone else had this "problem"?
Nope. Have you looked into what is and isn't checked in your Google Settings? There's a Play Games tab that allows you to mute certain games, essentially stopping their notifications. I don't suppose you've messed with that, have you?
It's strange, I've not really heard of this, especially since you're getting texts and such.
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Nope. Have you looked into what is and isn't checked in your Google Settings? There's a Play Games tab that allows you to mute certain games, essentially stopping their notifications. I don't suppose you've messed with that, have you?
It's strange, I've not really heard of this, especially since you're getting texts and such.
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Yeah i know and I've googled it to death for a few months now. I'll check g settings but idk why that would stop gmail. It's like when I'm on Wi-Fi w/ the screen off its just a plain old dumb phone. I turn the screen on and the notifications just flood in.
Edit: nothing in g settings is muted. The only thing i can think of is i don't have app data synced in accounts.
I think i figured it out. I had "sync app data" unchecked in accounts. So far I've been getting notifications screen on and off. Now if someone will just play back to me on wwf...
EDIT: i may have spoke too soon. It still doesnt wake up without turning on my screen
hey @SteveMurphy do you by chance use the active display?
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hey @SteveMurphy do you by chance use the active display?
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I did when I was using Omni and it worked great. I haven't used it since running RR, however.
So you're wifi connected, and have actively turned mobile data off? I have never even tried that...
If, however, you mean that this happens only when you're connected to WiFi, then no, I have not experienced this issue.
The only other setting that I can think of that pertains to sync is in system settings > Data usage > settings > [ ] auto-sync data, but I don't think that would cause the awake-vs-sleep sync issues that you're describing.
I used to use Active display, I currently use AcDisplay, I'll likely go back to using the baked-in active display.
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[...](and this is only with wifi, not MD) I don't get my push notifications (gmail,fb,words,hangouts,etc) when the screen is off.[...]
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So you're wifi connected, and have actively turned mobile data off? I have never even tried that...
If, however, you mean that this happens only when you're connected to WiFi, then no, I have not experienced this issue.
The only other setting that I can think of that pertains to sync is in system settings > Data usage > settings > [ ] auto-sync data, but I don't think that would cause the awake-vs-sleep sync issues that you're describing.
I used to use Active display, I currently use AcDisplay, I'll likely go back to using the baked-in active display.
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No i never turn mobile data off. I just meant that notifications come as expected when I'm on mobile data but on Wi-Fi, once the phone hits deep sleep (<a minute) i won't get notifications unless i turn the screen on.
I ask about active display because i remember when on resurrection ROM i was using it and getting notifications then and kind of forgot about it but I'm on PAC 4.4 now and it's doing it again. However i was using the init.d scripts they have baked in but have them all turned back off now to see if that fixes it.
It's the strangest thing I've seen. It's like when I'm on Wi-Fi and turn the screen off it just disconnects from all data even though i can plainly see that it is not. Angela has the same phone with the same settings as mine but on RR 5.0.5 and she gets notifications fine.
@cyril279 I knnow this is off topic but have you tried this AD app? Its got some other features/customizations that aren't on the built in AD
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.activenotifications
That was actually one of the first active-display variants that I tried. It worked well, but there were a couple hiccups that kept me shopping. The add-on AD clones have great features, but they don't play well with the stock lockscreen, or they leave the [home] button active, or involve significant lag when evoking the notification. The baked-in clones operate fluidly, but without the cool-stuff. I haven't tried active notifications recently though, maybe the updates have smoothed things out. I'm definitely down to try it again.
AcDisplay's development has been re-directed by Motorola. It's still my favorite of the clones, the beta version is boss, but it still isn't as fluid as the built-in boring-ol Omni AD.
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@cyril279 I knnow this is off topic but have you tried this AD app? Its got some other features/customizations that aren't on the built in AD
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.activenotifications
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That was actually one of the first active-display variants that I tried. It worked well, but there were a couple hiccups that kept me shopping. The add-on AD clones have great features, but they don't play well with the stock lockscreen, or they leave the [home] button active, or involve significant lag when evoking the notification. The baked-in clones operate fluidly, but without the cool-stuff. I haven't tried active notifications recently though, maybe the updates have smoothed things out. I'm definitely down to try it again.
AcDisplay's development has been re-directed by Motorola. It's still my favorite of the clones, the beta version is boss, but it still isn't as fluid as the built-in boring-ol Omni AD.
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Well all my testing so far has lead me no where with the exception of using that app. So far, I've not been able to reproduce the problem while using it. The question is,"what is it doing" to make it work....
EDIT: The app does not fix it....
just thinking out loud herebut, could this be a kernel issue? Im currently using PAC's kernel that comes packaged in the rom. Maybe I should try @RenderBroken 's kernel...?
Edit: Using RB's kernel breaks some of the PAC features and it did not fix my notification issue
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42272
razen_kain said:
just thinking out loud herebut, could this be a kernel issue? Im currently using PAC's kernel that comes packaged in the rom. Maybe I should try @RenderBroken 's kernel...?
Edit: Using RB's kernel breaks some of the PAC features and it did not fix my notification issue
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42272
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PAC uses a modified ramdisk compared to other CM derived roms. Are you only having issues trying to get PAC running on your phone? Is it KK or JB?
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PAC uses a modified ramdisk compared to other CM derived roms. Are you only having issues trying to get PAC running on your phone? Is it KK or JB?
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Its 4.4 and I have faced this issue on every rom Ive tried since switching to KK. Im starting to wonder if it's not an issue with my wifi. Im wondering if maybe my wifi is suspending my connection when my phone goes quiet.
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PAC uses a modified ramdisk compared to other CM derived roms...
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Render, great information as always. razen, I'm no help to you on this - just felt like popping in to say "hi".
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Render, great information as always. razen, I'm no help to you on this - just felt like popping in to say "hi".
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It's always good to have you around buddy.
[SOLVED] Not Receiving Notifications on WiFi
My suspicions have paid off!! I started suspecting my router was the culprit so i pulled out my old netgear2400 and hooked it up and low and behold my notifications starting lighting my phone up again!!
The problem was the Xfinity router that came from comcast. Apparently it was closing the "heartbeat" line to stay connected when the screen was off before the heartbeat would send again, if that makes sense.
For the time being I'm going to just use my netgear router BUT I was able to fix the problem with the Xfinity router by using an app called Push Notification Fixer. Just install it, follow the instructions, and set the WIFI/mobile data heartbeat to the recommended settings. If that don't work start shortening the heartbeat time. It'll make sense when you see the app.
Hope this helps someone else along the way. I went a LONG WAY down the google rabbit hole before I figured this one out.
Great news, glad it was an easy fix!
razen_kain said:
My suspicions have paid off!! I started suspecting my router was the culprit so i pulled out my old netgear2400 and hooked it up and low and behold my notifications starting lighting my phone up again!!
The problem was the Xfinity router that came from comcast. Apparently it was closing the "heartbeat" line to stay connected when the screen was off before the heartbeat would send again, if that makes sense.
For the time being I'm going to just use my netgear router BUT I was able to fix the problem with the Xfinity router by using an app called Push Notification Fixer. Just install it, follow the instructions, and set the WIFI/mobile data heartbeat to the recommended settings. If that don't work start shortening the heartbeat time. It'll make sense when you see the app.
Hope this helps someone else along the way. I went a LONG WAY down the google rabbit hole before I figured this one out.
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Great news! Now you just need to install DD-wrt on your router and turn it from a $40 router to a $400. I know you like to tinker but check it out. ITs free and its just firmware for certain routers. It turned my old wrt54g into a baus
razen_kain said:
My suspicions have paid off!! I started suspecting my router was the culprit so i pulled out my old netgear2400 and hooked it up and low and behold my notifications starting lighting my phone up again!!
The problem was the Xfinity router that came from comcast. Apparently it was closing the "heartbeat" line to stay connected when the screen was off before the heartbeat would send again, if that makes sense.
For the time being I'm going to just use my netgear router BUT I was able to fix the problem with the Xfinity router by using an app called Push Notification Fixer. Just install it, follow the instructions, and set the WIFI/mobile data heartbeat to the recommended settings. If that don't work start shortening the heartbeat time. It'll make sense when you see the app.
Hope this helps someone else along the way. I went a LONG WAY down the google rabbit hole before I figured this one out.
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I'm having the same issue with KitKat CM11 ROM on my HP Touchpad (which is WiFi only), and will have to try this. Notifications come in instantly on my iPhone/iPads, but my Touchpad gets some serious delays...sometimes right away, and sometimes delayed.
By the way, did "Sync App Data" setting for an account have anything to do with push notifications, or is that more for backup purposes?
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Oh darn, mine is still delayed even with the push notification fixer installed and WiFi heartbeat at 5min. Even after I've just rebooted my Touchpad, actively using it, and not even 5 minutes has passed. Delay was 8 minutes and then the notifications came streaming in.
With Android/KitKat, do you have to have the app open in the background for push notifications to go thru? Or run the app at least once after a reboot?
My issue is that I am constantly stepping outside, out of reach of my modem, and I'll have to turn my Wi-Fi off or my phone will stay connected to the the incredibly weak wifi signal.
So, I tried turning the dev option for "aggressive wifi to cellular handover" on thinking this would help and allow me to just leave wifi turned on while stepping outside and have it switch over to data without my assistance. And it worked, for the most part (it still held on to wifi signals *I* would deem too slow, but not often), BUT whenever I reboot the option in dev settings un-ticks so I have to go back in and turn the setting back on.
My question is, is there a way to prevent the aggressive wifi to handover from turning off on reboots, or is there another option I could try that may even be more aggressive?
Thank you in advance!
Have you tried the setting to automatically disconnect from a poor WiFi signal? It's under WiFi>settings>advanced WiFi>avoid unstable connections
Juggernaut79 said:
Have you tried the setting to automatically disconnect from a poor WiFi signal? It's under WiFi>settings>advanced WiFi>avoid unstable connections
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That says it'll automatically disconnect from no connection, but I still have an internet connection off the wifi, it's just like slow as all get out
6NomoN6 said:
That says it'll automatically disconnect from no connection, but I still have an internet connection off the wifi, it's just like slow as all get out
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For me it disconnects from a weak signal.
I'll be back!
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My question is, is there a way to prevent the aggressive wifi to handover from turning off on reboots, or is there another option I could try that may even be more aggressive?
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I have the same problem, discovered the same solution, and have run into the same issue with no persistence after reboot! I'm googling now for a solution because going into developer options every reboot is incredibly damaging to the smoothness of the user experience I've worked so hard to customize.
Whether I find a solution or not I'll post in this thread again to let you know. If the latter is the result I will personally either write a tasker script, init.d script, or if nesseceary an Xposed module depending on factors I've yet to research. Can you Beta test for me if it comes to that? Maybe it's as simple as editing build.prop, I don't know yet, but I wanted to make this post ASAP so that you know you aren't alone on this and someone capable is working on the issue. For a developer like myself tapping menus every boot is unacceptable! Hopefully there is already a fix out there in the wild and I won't have to do any work.
P.S. Don't forget to also enable cellular radio always active for fast network switching at the price of some battery life. It's a few options below aggressive handover in Developer Options and thank jolly the setting is sticky unlike it's counterpart. Also, sorry for the poor turnout on your thread. I figured there'd be 100 posts by now, but at least you got my attention.
Edit 1: "setprop persist.{i-dont-know-yet}" in terminal emulator may do the trick. Checking for variables for the setting we want now. Hopefully they exist!
Edit 2: :laugh: I FOUND EVERYTHING I NEED FOR A FIX!!! However, an Xposed module will be required. I need some sleep but I should have something by tomorrow night. In case any other developers are reading this, here is the information required to make things work the way Iwe want them to:
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-cellular-handover-option-in-developer-settin
https://android.googlesource.com/pl...ndroid/settings/DevelopmentSettings.java#1061
Edit 3: Now that I know how this setting actually works together with wifi_watchdog (see source code WifiWatchdogService.java) I think I may have changed my mind regarding how to go about solving the root problem at hand (network switching) which this setting really does a "hack" job of taking care of. The developer that made it decided on a arbitrary, static number to be used for decreasing the connected WiFi AP's RSSI value (thereby making handover more "aggressive") instead of exposing any kind of grainular control to the user. So yes I could easily make the developer options setting stick but a much better approach would be to hook the method android.net.wifi.WifiManager with an Xposed module and implement additional logic to the network switching. The great thing about this method is there is the possibility for adding additional checks besides just periodically pinging the current primary dns server and monitoring the delay and timeout of the result. I also know for a fact modding the framework persists after reboot which is afterall all we originally wanted to have. The second or alternative route would be to edit the secure settings database using SQLite. The pro of this method is it is guranteed to be compatible with nearly ANY rom, won't break anything after an update, and doesn't use resources like an Xposed module. The con is that you are limited to the variables built into android, can't implement any new logic, and the worst is that I'm not even sure the modified tables would even persist after a reboot (or network state change for that matter) which if true would defeat the original purpose of this expedition. I'll make a fourth edit to this post after I've thought about and considered how to best proceede to reaching the goal of having a solution to our problem. :victory:
FoxysWorkplace said:
I have the same problem, discovered the same solution, and have run into the same issue with no persistence after reboot! (...)
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First of all, thank you so very much for looking into this!
I'm sorry for not responding sooner, but I had honestly lost hope of finding a solution to this issue mainly because I am not a developer myself and haven't the foggiest how to get started with it on Android
But when I opened my notifications and saw a response to this post (!) I got *extremely* excited, and as I read through your post, my excitement intensified to great happiness!
I can't express my gratitude, but I would be more than happy to help with anything that I can!
Any news on this?
Has anyone found a solution?
Had anyone found a solution that doesn't require root access?
Can we expect that fourth update any time soon? Any solution without xposed?
I'm following this thread in the event that someone finds a non-rooted solution. The Galaxy S7 really cannot be rooted without a serious performance hit (and yes I've gone through the two or three best/popular lag-fix solutions) but it works best in stock :-/