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It's the question around my head stopping me to click on the pre-order button.
I have a N1 and though struggling with the internal memory, can't see having more than maybe 1GB or 2 in apps. I get that with this i would install a lot more, but what, another 2 GB? Maybe even 4?. Maybe 4 more in Music. I guess i would put there some films or series to watch. Maybe add what... 4GB? 8? I have a spare 16GB SD card (for use with the dock, which would probably get the films or series) and probably will get a 16 or 32 microSD for the tablet itself. That would be, at least, 64Gb. If i get the 64Gb version, it would mean at least 96GB
Why getting then the 64GB? I'm serious, i would really like to know the reasons people are behind the 64gb version. It's not that i believe it's not necessary, it's that I'm probably missing something in the equation and i don't want to miss anything so i can make the right choice before regretting not buying the right one.
Because.... People can afford it?
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HD videos can get pretty dang big...10+ GB for 1080p (assuming bluray rip).
simple fact is HD video takes a lot of space. you put a few movies on at full res on the tablet, you'll soon see 64GB evaporate.
I have 32gb on my phone and am under constant pressure to swap things around because I don't have enough space.
I ordered the 64GB. Because I don't want any limitations and have to "worry" about if I have enough space.
And now when we have hardware that can handle high quality video 720p/1080p why don't use it. When you have gone HD you never want to go back to low resolution videos.
All movies/series I watch are 720p mkv.
4-7GB is one movie.
1-1.5GB is on serie episode
0.5-1GB is one game, and those will gets bigger now when they can be more advanced.
even apps will get bigger when they gets more advance.
So fast you will reached the 32GB mark.
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All depends on your usage.
I keep around 20 gigs worth of music on my phone plus constantly swap out TV shows.
I got the 64gb version coming AND a 64gb microSD for it as well... I could easily see myself using the 64gb internal to fill up with pics and videos from the (from what it sounds like) great camera on the thing and have the microSD holding lots of videos, movies, ROMS etc... hell im lookin forward to the 2 terabyte microSD's!!
Because.........why not?
So I can laugh and look down from my mountain top upon all the 32GB peons!!!!
for $100, why not?
32GB Micro SD is about 60-70$ right now, 220$ for a 64GB. I want AT LEAST 64GB right now so I can dump all my music on it and use it instead of killing my data plan with Google Music. I'll end up getting a micro SD for it (64GB when they're a little more affordable anyways) so I can maximize the storage space on this thing. Games are huge, videos are huge. This thing takes pictures and video... why the hell not. What's 100$? You'll be paying more for the dock, but not for double the storage space? I think it's worth it.
64GB of local space is getting bigger and bigger the later we go into the future...
Look at Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, Google Music, Pandora, etc. and you will see a lot of that space is now useless.
But who cares? What if I want to go on a long road trip and I pack several Blu-rays on board or several giant games on? Maybe. Well, my 16GB TF101 still has about 10GB on it..... My 16GB iPhone 4 still has about 4GB on it... My 2.5TB HDD still has about 2TB left on it....
If you have $100 extra dollars to go down on this beatiful tab, go for it!
That have been a lot of answers for such a short time, thanks
I feel i'm convinced to go with the 64GB version, didn't know some games were so huge (with a N1 it's difficult to play anything not named angry birds ), and didn't remember the huge size of the HD files (sometimes i forget that because of the 2TB disk at the main pc, which never seem to end ). The main reason being, of course, laughing and looking down from the mountain to the 32GB peons
Now, time to wait, at least for christmas, for amazon.de to send it
HD videos...each clip can easily take gigs
Just because YOU use your devices a certain way does not mean everybody else should do the same as well. Some people have way more than 64gig of music. Some people have gigs of movies (I know I do). It's nice to copy a few 4gig+ movies over and not worry about left over space when I need the space later.
I have friends like this.. they say "16gb is fine for me, its all I need, why do you need a 64gb".. /facepalm
For many people, the 32GB model (supplemented by micro SD) is probably enough. But many is not all. Especially while travelling I do need A LOT more storage - I'd rather avoid having to use external storage or an SD card in the keyboard dock unless it's just for transferring photos from for example my digital camera. As a lot of commentators have mentioned, it's once you get into media storage especially video (but also to some extent music, photos, E-books, magazines/comics/PDFs and the like) that the 64GB model becomes advantageous. Basically, there is a lot of competing media requirements these days and I can only see that increasing. Cloud storage is not really an answer, as it's a solution for some of the issues but not others.
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Just because YOU use your devices a certain way does not mean everybody else should do the same as well. Some people have way more than 64gig of music. Some people have gigs of movies (I know I do). It's nice to copy a few 4gig+ movies over and not worry about left over space when I need the space later.
I have friends like this.. they say "16gb is fine for me, its all I need, why do you need a 64gb".. /facepalm
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That's exactly why i asked it seriously, not in a "i don't need it, why you do?" fashion, but in a "i don't know if i would need it, tell me why you do and i will see if i do"
It's my first tablet, and my other android device is a nexus one with just ~ 180MB for apps + storage and microSD (4gb atm). That's why i prefer asking than just deciding on my own, as i already said, i might miss something and that's what i don't want And i asked it publicly because i might not be the only one with the doubt
Well, I deleted all my music from Transformer because of free space problem. 32GB would also be too little. 64GB + some SD/mSD would be OK though.
Can It really use the sdxc cards?
The biggest one I see that u can buy is 128gb.
Its half the price of the tablet.
Id hate to see how much a 2tb one would cost.
Should be able to. SDXC just has an SDHC card formatted with exFAT. Just reformat the card to FAT32 and it should work fine. Though, from that I read, the Prime should support FAT32, exFAT, and NTFS. So the card may just work. If you only use windows, then exFAT will be fine. If you use Linux or Mac, you may want to settle for FAT32.
They should really advertise exFAT support considering SDXC cards can go up to, what, 2TB? I know we probably won't be seeing cards of that capacity during the life cycle of this tablet, I don't think it's too unreasonable to expect 256GB MicroSD by the end of next year... SDHC won't support that :/ The only go up to 32GB.
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If you use Linux or Mac, you may want to settle for FAT32.
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I would use ext2 or ext4.
Why would anyone use that much storage in a tablet... Lol! Unless your the guy with 3600+ ripped (pirated movies) who wants to put a 64gb micro in the tablet and. A 128gb in the dock plus a external SSD!
Why wouldn't you just get a wireless drive?
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Hi-Def movies are consistently large files. 720p videos are roughly 2-4 gigs and 1080p videos are always over 5-6 gigs.
And before I get the obligatory, "Why would you want to watch a 1080p video on a 720p screen brah, herp derp," it's because I am constantly going over to different friends' or family's' houses and watching movies or videos by hooking up my laptop via HDMI. My laptop, however, is a huge honker with a **** battery life, so I have to look for somewhere to set it carefully and with good ventilation, that is both in reach of the HDMI cable AND a power outlet because my battery will die before a movie is over. With the Transformer Prime, I can place it somewhere much easier because of size, the battery won't die, and the Tegra3 can decode high profile hi-def with ease.
Remember, everyone's usage patterns aren't the same as your own.
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...With the Transformer Prime, I can place it somewhere much easier because of size, the battery won't die, and the Tegra3 can decode high profile hi-def with ease...
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I just realized... since video decoding is done all on the companion core and the display is one of the biggest battery sucks on a device.... How many freakin' hours will this thing get pumping out video with its screen off*??
* - If that's even possible, though it'd be dumb if it weren't...
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I just realized... since video decoding is done all on the companion core and the display is one of the biggest battery sucks on a device.... How many freakin' hours will this thing get pumping out video with its screen off*??
* - If that's even possible, though it'd be dumb if it weren't...
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good question...
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I just realized... since video decoding is done all on the companion core and the display is one of the biggest battery sucks on a device.... How many freakin' hours will this thing get pumping out video with its screen off*??
* - If that's even possible, though it'd be dumb if it weren't...
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good question...
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+1 Since this is one of the main reasons I'm ordering this puppy.
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Hi-Def movies are consistently large files. 720p videos are roughly 2-4 gigs and 1080p videos are always over 5-6 gigs.
And before I get the obligatory, "Why would you want to watch a 1080p video on a 720p screen brah, herp derp,"...
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Or the simple answer of "I have videos in 1080p, because I like to watch them on my 1080p capable home hardware, and don't want to have to re-encode them to watch them on my tablet... I just want to throw them on and go."
The 1080p playback is the biggest reason I'm upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 10.1. I want buttery smooth video!
if you're buying the dock, you can also hook up a usb hard drive for some cheap (relatively cheap at least, with all the supply issues for hard drives going on right now) storage options.
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Or the simple answer of "I have videos in 1080p, because I like to watch them on my 1080p capable home hardware, and don't want to have to re-encode them to watch them on my tablet... I just want to throw them on and go."
The 1080p playback is the biggest reason I'm upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 10.1. I want buttery smooth video!
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This. I'm also upgrading from a GT10.1, and I had to explain this reasoning over on their XDA boards too. It's ridiculous how often I've had to explain it. I apologize to everyone who I come off too as arrogant or toolish.
It would be full with every emulator and roms
I use exFAT for everything. exFAT is supported to read/write on Linux, Mac OS 10.6.5+, and Windows XP+.
Android supports it as well.
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I use exFAT for everything. exFAT is supported to read/write on Linux, Mac OS 10.6.5+, and Windows XP+.
Android supports it as well.
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Thank you, the thread somehow morphed into defending the need for 1080p decoding, from the op's title: "Memory Cards" I do find it all pretty fascinating though, and since I recently upgraded to a nice 52" 1080p, I think this will be just the ticket for some occasional "can your tablet do this?" show & tell. Of course, now I have to go grab a nice micro HDMI cable after grabbing a mini HDMI for TF101 that I just sold. Thanks a LOT Asus, lol! No biggie though.
On the battery life issue, if my TF101 is any indication, you will not be looking for a power outlet anytime soon. With Keyboard dock attached, I would have benn able to watch 3-4 full length movies on a charge, no kidding here. What I really want to know, like a lot of folks is if exFat will work or not, else I will have to do Fat32, I imagine, since I live a a house of windows, Win Home Server, Media Center Server, and 3 laptops.
I hope the retailers have extra staff working when these start showing up via UPS & FedEx on people doorsteps, cause everyone who didn't receive their order will be on the horn: Where T F is my %[email protected]& Prime!!! LOL!
wait, this thing uses a micro hdmi? not the same as on the TF101?
crap, i need to go buy a new cable too!
Wow, now I remember why I dont buy sony products. Whoever decided to make the sd card slot usless should get a tab up side the head.
Sd card: useless compared to non crippled slots
Micro usb? really? thats the best you could cram into a tablet this size... fail
No hdmi? major fail
The charger is the worst piece of crap I have ever seen
Bravo sony, you wanted to create a tablet that you had to cut by 100$ and a tablet that is crippled and missing its leggs.
Even some 7inch tabs have hdmi, full size usb and a charger that doesnt sound like metal teeth being snapped.
As for power and gpu, my samsung galaxy NOTE gt-N7000 runs circles around this failure.
If you love it, good for you, I require more.
Rant over
First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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First of all, of course you galaxy note runs circles around it. It's clocked at 1.4ghz vs the sony s's 1ghz. Not really sure what your basis for the claims of the GPU performance are.. they should be fairly similar though, so if the Galaxy Note does indeed outperform it then your right that it's pretty crappy of Sony.
I agree with you for most of the other parts though. Can't really justify the need for downsizing the USB port when it's such a large case up there. Hell they could have fit two there! HDMI would have been great, but there are plenty that don't have it on the market, at least this one offers DLNA. I don't have a problem with the charger.. seems to me that it would be much, much more durable than the micro USB's android phones ahve been strapping.
Plus some people pay hundreds for a universal remote, and this has one with great form and function. Like anything it has it's pro's and cons.
The two things that stung me about it that got me after purchase is the SDcard storage thingo, and lack of support from gameloft :\.
But hey, could be worse and just not have an SD card slot like some do. Now that is a fail.
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The gpu plays as big a roll as the cpu in terms of render. I had a 154$ tablet that used an all winner cortex9 with a mali-400 gpu and it destroys the sony tablet. Of course at 154$ it had a ****ty 7inch screen. After my iphone 4 and 4s, i cant go back to hiddeous pixel screens. I found the perfect middle ground in my Samsung Note. It has the muscle to back up its amazing screen.
BTW, that cheap tablet with the amazing cpu/gpu had hdmi, usb and a micro sdhc slot. Its the now gone Ainol Novo 7 Advanced (not the the basic model).
I must say, the sony tablet screen look terrible compared to my Note but if i hold it far enough away, the pixels dont jump out at me as much.
Mind you its apples to oranges because the Note's display is an ips super amoled with an almost retina ppi.
I called sony today to pass on my thoughts. They sound ignorant. Their sales reflect that. Maybe if they drop it another 100$ people will stop returning it when the insert their sd card and haul the charger out of the box with a tractor.
The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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The card works fine with any 3rd party app quickpic mx player etc thanks for playing technical genius
Who uses stock apps anyway
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Bitterness ages a face ;-)
Oh, and try to download a movie on your sony tablet directly to you sd card.... oh right, crippled
Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Regarding the "crippled" SD Card slot, as far as I can tell its only crippled with Sony apps. If you use any standard Android app the SD card slot is fully usable and accessible. I've got a 32 gig sd card in there and have no problem playing videos/music/open files directly off it. No speed issues or anything. I never transfer anything...
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Nowhere did I refer to playback. Try to download natively to your sd card with your tablet. Crippled. Playback is useless if you cant get the media on the card in the first place. Maybe run out and buy a real tablet to do the muscle work and use the sony for the pansy playback?
Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Did Sony kill your parents? Good Lord, let it go. You don't like the Tablet S, but a lot of us do. Who cares? Don't buy it! I like PS3 controller compatibility and universal remote features. They build different tablets for a reason, just like how they make different phones, different TVs, furniture, cars, ice cream flavors, etc...
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Yeah, because you've never bought something ad ranted. I always love the holier than thou type.
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You can use dolphin browser ( and many other browser ) to download file into sd card directly.
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Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
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Yes thank you. Too bad dolphin crashes on my sony tab and it only downloads certain things. I download movies and stuff on my samsung note with torrent apps. Sony s will only download to its own memory. But thanks
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Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
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Sell your sony and use your samsung if is better than a workstation.
Sony s runs android, so " Sony s will only download to its own memory " is a meaningless phrase.
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Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
lifes too short to go moaning on a forum about a problem thats arguable negligible to most usage scenarios, then writing snarky 'witticisms'.
your really need more hobbies if you're resorting to torrenting on tablets and complaining about not being able to do so on one model.... (who the heck does that?!!).
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Anything I say will be meaningless to you for the simple fact that you are limited to your own opinion. I however dont get frustrated when other people are not acting as my clone.
"Sony s runs android"?? do you think my more capable Note runs windows 7??Obviously they both use android.
On most tablets and my Note, "I" decide where my downloads go ie to the units memory or to the memory card I have installed. Sony s makes that choice for you. Its not my opinion, its a fact. Kinda runs in the face of what android lovers seem to hold so dear... "freedom".
I may sell my crippled tablet for a capable one, or just give it to my 5 year old nephew to play with.
I will pick up a galaxy tab, as far as I can see, looks better.
Dont hate on people, life is too short ;-)
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you are crazy boy.
He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
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He's only making points that have been made time and time again by most of you, just he's not willing to just accept it and be happy with the tab. No real reason for everyone to start flaming
It's very true that sony has imposed too much of there own influence. Not only that, but made it so there is currently no possible way to root it and make the changes we want done.
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Thanks for being helpful. I knew i wasnt the only person to ever complain here about the sd problem. I wasnt harping on it, simply replying to people who took the time to talk with me about it.
I too look forward to a root and i hope that the sd problem is software not hardeware and that sony might wake up to at least match 150$ tablets in that regard.
Im not a fan of honeycomb so ics would be nice. Cheers
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Exactly, I would write the same.
I Don't understand this kind of posts, what helps? We need to improve the usability of this tablet until the root is not available...
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My 3rd party apps that download video or music content are restricted to the 16GB internal. There is zero way to make anything go to the sd card because the tablet treats the sd card as if it wasnt even there. The only thing the tablet can do is transfer files to and from the sd card.. Period.
As for dolphin, what would you download with that?
On a side note.. you can download with atorrent and specify the the destination can't you? The only problem I had with it was wifi going into sleep mode.. so I was pretty dissapoinnted to wake up and find it only downloaded 1.2%. lol.
Basically I knew what I was buying hardware wise when I bought it - aside from the creaks I discovered later. Then was massively let down software wise due to the restrictions.
I feel asthough if we got it rooted, we could just rename sdcard1 to sdcar2, and vice versa. Hopefully such a switcharoo would work and then it would continue on as it has, but with much more memory there .
It's going to be a real shame if Sony's take on ICS leaves us in the same boat, can't be rooted, can't be downgraded, and then someone discovers a root for HC
Pretty good deal, 32Gig class 4 sandisk for only $20
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That's a great deal! But don't we want a faster class (like 10)?
This is a matter of debate that can be argued from many angles, most commonly Cache Vs Class. There has been lots of debating on XDA and other forums about how android functions and little to no advantage is seen. I'd really prefer this didn't turn into a debate yet again as there is plenty of places that this be read up on. I run this exact card in 3 nook colors and 4 Android phones currently in my house. never had any hickup in video playback yet.
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This is a matter of debate that can be argued from many angles, most commonly Cache Vs Class. There has been lots of debating on XDA and other forums about how android functions and little to no advantage is seen. I'd really prefer this didn't turn into a debate yet again as there is plenty of places that this be read up on. I run this exact card in 3 nook colors and 4 Android phones currently in my house. never had any hickup in video playback yet.
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know the exact threads where these debates are?
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This is a matter of debate that can be argued from many angles, most commonly Cache Vs Class. There has been lots of debating on XDA and other forums about how android functions and little to no advantage is seen. I'd really prefer this didn't turn into a debate yet again as there is plenty of places that this be read up on. I run this exact card in 3 nook colors and 4 Android phones currently in my house. never had any hickup in video playback yet.
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I wasn't gonna get into the tit for tat about speed.
But I have a legit question, how's about recording 720p? Seeing the Note is capable of it.
I usually have Class 2, that have worked very well in most of my phone/tablet devices. I rarely if ever record any video that would require any type of "high" resolution, yet.
As for playback, I've not had any issue with even the Class 2 SanDisk... YMMV with other "brands" and/or counterfeits..
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Basic write up about the usage. Article boils down if you depend heavily on apps2SD then you may want to go to class6
http://lifehacker.com/5804661/does-it-matter-what-class-micro-sd-card-i-have-in-my-android-phone
Here's a great write up on the Cache aspect.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/increase-the-reading-speed-of-your-sd-card/
And for the true nitty gritty numbers, and instructions on how to test your own card, check out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=15269669#post15269669
If you want to do a full on discussion then by all means please post it in the QA section, I'm not avoiding the topic, I'm avoiding a derail.
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That's a great deal! But don't we want a faster class (like 10)?
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I bought his same exact card about 6 months ago for $35. DISREGARD the "class 4" rumors and whatnot. My music and videos play at such an amazing rate you'd assume the card is an expensive high class etc etc. The only notable difference is when your copying your music/videos to the card from your computer. So what..wait acouple of hours for 4000 songs to get copied! I did and for the price how could you say no?
I seriously think Sandisc is really the best company to trust with micro SD cards
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I seriously think Sandisc is really the best company to trust with micro SD cards
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absolutely, for me they have far and away been the most consistantly fast cards. You just have to be careful, there are lots of fakes and knockoffs out there that look identical, especially on ebay. Beware anything anyone selling them without OEM packaging. I have fallen for the "these were returns, so we're selling them cheaper since they are out of package" If it's not in Sandisk authenticate packaging, I won't touch it. The 32Gb I bought at walmart a few months ago cost me $50, and that was a decent deal then.
Sorry. I didn't mean to derail the topic. I use the camera a lot for 1080P video, which uses large files and needs a fast write speed. For me, the class 6 or 10 might be better. But after reading the threads you linked to, it does seem that the Sandisk class 4 would be the best all-rounder for most people. Thanks again for the thread. I may order one and give it try anyway. I'll let you know.
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Sorry. I didn't mean to derail the topic. I use the camera a lot for 1080P video, which uses large files and needs a fast write speed. For me, the class 6 or 10 might be better. But after reading the threads you linked to, it does seem that the Sandisk class 4 would be the best all-rounder for most people. Thanks again for the thread. I may order one and give it try anyway. I'll let you know.
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I believe when recording it saves locally then once stopped it goes to perm storage, this used to be the way it was, may or may not have changed but would make sense to keep this this way.
I keep a card or two on hand loaded with movies and TV shows for when I travel or know I'll be sitting bored for awhile just incase the 32 I have installed doesn't have enough entertainment. For $20, you can't lose.
By save locally, you mean save/cache/buffer on phone then to external storage if so configured?
I doubt it would do that, as the phone's internal memory is write limited by the same limits as an SD card, correct?
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Chief Geek said:
I believe when recording it saves locally then once stopped it goes to perm storage, this used to be the way it was, may or may not have changed but would make sense to keep this this way.
I keep a card or two on hand loaded with movies and TV shows for when I travel or know I'll be sitting bored for awhile just incase the 32 I have installed doesn't have enough entertainment. For $20, you can't lose.
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Def a good deal. Compare to $80 64 Class 6 card i just bought.
I like to post a good deal and LIKE to see how ppl react. Some appropriated because they just got a good deal, some will be *****y this and that because they are not free??, ... . People will never be satisfied.
Suggest to others: if you don't like it just because of ANY REASONS, swallow it then move on to the next thread. It may not be useful for you but will be useful for some others.
clockcycle said:
By save locally, you mean save/cache/buffer on phone then to external storage if so configured?
I doubt it would do that, as the phone's internal memory is write limited by the same limits as an SD card, correct?
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I'm not real sure to be honest man, it's mostly theory because in the past on slower android phones, after I finished recording it would take a few seconds as it "saved" anything more then a few moments of video. I contributed this to holding locally then transferring to external afterwards. In my head, doing it this way would eliminate any pauses in recording caused by what I would imagine would be slower read/write speeds as the primary partition access is faster then the external SD. We would need a dev/programmer with knowledge of these things to confirm/bust this theory. But anyways, back on track, great deal for a big card.
other sites I check daily for these deals is Woot.com and Tanga.com
Tanga is especially known for funny tshirts for dirt cheap. They both have a few deals per day. Sometimes amazing sometimes less than.
Chief Geek said:
I'm not real sure to be honest man, it's mostly theory because in the past on slower android phones, after I finished recording it would take a few seconds as it "saved" anything more then a few moments of video. I contributed this to holding locally then transferring to external afterwards. In my head, doing it this way would eliminate any pauses in recording caused by what I would imagine would be slower read/write speeds as the primary partition access is faster then the external SD. We would need a dev/programmer with knowledge of these things to confirm/bust this theory. But anyways, back on track, great deal for a big card.
other sites I check daily for these deals is Woot.com and Tanga.com
Tanga is especially known for funny tshirts for dirt cheap. They both have a few deals per day. Sometimes amazing sometimes less than.
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It's a sound theory to me, though I don't 100% agree it does make a lot of sense. Personally I'd chalk it up to having an older phone, I do know what you're talking about my G1 did the exact same thing.
As for speed differences between different classes of SD cards, though it is hotly debated, I've personally did a little seat of the pants bench marking between my class 2, 4, 6 and 10 and in the end my class 10 was only 2 or 3 seconds faster on multiple smaller file transfers, when it came to one large file (such as what you'd expect from a 720p video) the difference was negligible.
As for the main post, it's one heck of a deal. if i hadn't already bought a class 10 i'd jump on this. Heck, I own a tablet, I might still order one.
Also if you want to check out daily deals, check out dodtracker.com. it's a collection of deal sites. its not very pretty, but it does get the job done.
Theoriginalgiga said:
It's a sound theory to me, though I don't 100% agree it does make a lot of sense. Personally I'd chalk it up to having an older phone, I do know what you're talking about my G1 did the exact same thing.
As for speed differences between different classes of SD cards, though it is hotly debated, I've personally did a little seat of the pants bench marking between my class 2, 4, 6 and 10 and in the end my class 10 was only 2 or 3 seconds faster on multiple smaller file transfers, when it came to one large file (such as what you'd expect from a 720p video) the difference was negligible.
As for the main post, it's one heck of a deal. if i hadn't already bought a class 10 i'd jump on this. Heck, I own a tablet, I might still order one.
Also if you want to check out daily deals, check out dodtracker.com. it's a collection of deal sites. its not very pretty, but it does get the job done.
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Wow, you wern't joking that is ugly. Once I figure out how to navagate it I'm sure it'll be useful. As for my theory, ohwell, it's just a shot in the dark. If anyone's thinking about this card, act now before it's too late, there will be a new deal tomorrow.
Missed it by 2 minutes while reading the thread... SMH
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I was on the fence about ordering this one, and then I read another post on how to store a second flash card underneath the back cover.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550541
So I decided to go for it. I'll use it for everyday stuff. If it works well for HD video recording and playback, then I'm all good. If not, I'll just keep a second card for backup. Thanks again, Chief.
Budge said:
I was on the fence about ordering this one, and then I read another post on how to store a second flash card underneath the back cover.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1550541
So I decided to go for it. I'll use it for everyday stuff. If it works well for HD video recording and playback, then I'm all good. If not, I'll just keep a second card for backup. Thanks again, Chief.
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Glad I could help. Todays deal is a set of decent looking BlueTooth headphone for $15, perfect for anyone looking for a cheap set of gym headphones. After having a nice pair stolen I buy cheapies for the gym now. Usually RocketFish, but may get a pair of these to keep on hand just incase.
Hi all,
what's it like when you stick one of those cards in your Android full of music? I have an iPod Classic 160GB and now I'd like a bigger screen and touch for easier use. But I've heard terrible things about these SD cards in Android phones. I don't care about screenshots with big numbers,
-what is it like in practical use?
-Does music transfer quickly?
-When you de-tach your phone does it freeze while the SD loads? (some crappy mp3 players do).
-What happens when you load your music player, does it freeze, does it freeze the first time after music transfer or ever time, how long does it freeze?
-Do you have to format your SD card because of normal phone use? How often?
-How do you find out how fast your phone can read the SD?
That's all I care about. I have a feeling the only way I'll find out is by spending a lot of money, getting angry and buying another iPod. The Touch is waaaaay too expensive in my view, I'm not paying for Apple's champaign parties with my money. 32-64GB is expensive, it's the 8GB people who get cheap devices not us audio lovers.
phoneyericsson said:
Hi all,
what's it like when you stick one of those cards in your Android full of music? I have an iPod Classic 160GB and now I'd like a bigger screen and touch for easier use. But I've heard terrible things about these SD cards in Android phones. I don't care about screenshots with big numbers,
-what is it like in practical use?
-Does music transfer quickly?
-When you de-tach your phone does it freeze while the SD loads? (some crappy mp3 players do).
-What happens when you load your music player, does it freeze, does it freeze the first time after music transfer or ever time, how long does it freeze?
-Do you have to format your SD card because of normal phone use? How often?
-How do you find out how fast your phone can read the SD?
That's all I care about. I have a feeling the only way I'll find out is by spending a lot of money, getting angry and buying another iPod. The Touch is waaaaay too expensive in my view, I'm not paying for Apple's champaign parties with my money. 32-64GB is expensive, it's the 8GB people who get cheap devices not us audio lovers.
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I personally have Live with Walkman, which about half year ago, was the same price as iPod Touch 4g 8GB.
Practical use...I am not sure what you mean about it. Android phones are regular smartphones: music player, internet, apps, calling, SMS etc.
Music transfer speed has never been problem for someone. If your computer has USB 2.0(quite likely), then it is the best you can.
On some phones, rechecking the music folders might take a bit of time to make sure player has all the music there is. Usually doesn't take more than 1-2 minutes, mostly less than that.
Freezing? Depends on phone, but Android phones are nowadays quite fast already, there is no freezing at all.
Seriously, who gives a **** about 1-1,5 sec freezing in the menu? Music doesn't stop anyway.
I have never formatted my SDcard and will never do it. It is not needed, the regular format(which should be FAT32, Android doesn't support others) works just great, you don't need anything else.
SD card speed depends on SD card, Class 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. Class 10 have highest speed, Class 2 slowest.
I have Class 4 SanDisk 16GB, works like a charm, higher speed is only needed if you move large files on your SDcard often. I have never experienced problems with SDcard speed.
By practical use, I mean good daily and constant use of a decent audio player. I have the feeling that many Android phones aim to play music and almost nothing else. I don't use spotify or google music or any of that. I use podcasts big time, I have over 10GB of podcasts alone. I see Sony's version of iTunes, Media Go is actually quite decent now. But practical as a full replacement for an iPod.
Music transfer...my Xperia Mini is OK, but have you seen an iPod? It's 2 songs per second...I've 25GB of music, it has to be fast. Also, I did try other brands of audio players and some of them spend 5 minutes (no joke) loading after music transfer, it was horrible. I actually smashed on it made me so angry, and I NEVER do that. I danced on the screen when I got another iPod. It did it every time even if I moved just 1 song.
By freezing, I mean when you enter the music menu. I just don't want my phone freezing every time it loads 25GB of music and 10GB of podcasts.
I've done a fair bit of research on the class type, XDA has some good threads also. I'm still unconvinced though. People keep posting crap about fast read/write speeds. Who cares, I'm interested in actualy use nothing else.
I highly recommend formatting your SD. Copy all the contents to a folder on your laptop/pc, format then copy back. I'm not joking, if you use different roms you will be SHOCKED at the improvement it makes. I don't mean a tiny improvment, I mean major. Your SD moves much faster, loading pics in your phone becomes instant again.
Your 16GB card works ok? Is that your full music collection?
Anyway, I just did some testing of favourite songs on my phone vs my iPod and bass is definitely better on iPod. I really want to give Android a shot though.
phoneyericsson said:
By practical use, I mean good daily and constant use of a decent audio player. I have the feeling that many Android phones aim to play music and almost nothing else. I don't use spotify or google music or any of that. I use podcasts big time, I have over 10GB of podcasts alone. I see Sony's version of iTunes, Media Go is actually quite decent now. But practical as a full replacement for an iPod.
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I have been using stock music player all the time(Walkman on stock ROM, stock player on current, MIUI, ROM). Android phones do have music feature, even though most manufacturers are trying to improve other sides.
Live with Walkman is built for music lovers, with its dual speakers(bass is low, but for regular listening is quality fine), special Walkman(which actually misses own equalizer, but can be downloaded from Market).
phoneyericsson said:
Music transfer...my Xperia Mini is OK, but have you seen an iPod? It's 2 songs per second...I've 25GB of music, it has to be fast. Also, I did try other brands of audio players and some of them spend 5 minutes (no joke) loading after music transfer, it was horrible. I actually smashed on it made me so angry, and I NEVER do that. I danced on the screen when I got another iPod. It did it every time even if I moved just 1 song.
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iPod's and other Apple products use own cabling system, which probably allows high speed transfer. Androids have microUSB port, which might limit it.
USB 2.0 supports maximal of 60 MB/s, Apple probably takes so much possible from it, as one their port is for everything.
phoneyericsson said:
By freezing, I mean when you enter the music menu. I just don't want my phone freezing every time it loads 25GB of music and 10GB of podcasts.
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For 35GB of music material, it might take some time first to check all the folders for music files and load metadata to the player and create cache(that is done only after every music collection change).
If music folders are the same, same cache is used and loading player will be fast.
2011 Xperia's have 1 GHz processor, shouldn't take long time for loading anyway.
phoneyericsson said:
I've done a fair bit of research on the class type, XDA has some good threads also. I'm still unconvinced though. People keep posting crap about fast read/write speeds. Who cares, I'm interested in actualy use nothing else.
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First time, placing all your music there might take a while, but later on, you don't add 10GB of stuff to SDcard at once, so that high speed might not be needed.
phoneyericsson said:
I highly recommend formatting your SD. Copy all the contents to a folder on your laptop/pc, format then copy back. I'm not joking, if you use different roms you will be SHOCKED at the improvement it makes. I don't mean a tiny improvment, I mean major. Your SD moves much faster, loading pics in your phone becomes instant again.
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I might give it a try, when I have time, even though I have no problems with speed at the moment.
Besides, what would formatting give me? The file system has to stay FAT32 anyway, because Android doesn't support another ones.
phoneyericsson said:
Your 16GB card works ok? Is that your full music collection?
Anyway, I just did some testing of favourite songs on my phone vs my iPod and bass is definitely better on iPod. I really want to give Android a shot though.
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Yes, 16GB works fine(14,8GB available due to difference in manufacturing and file systems, 1000-1024 difference). And no, music is about 2-3 GB from it, I don't keep all the music on my phone, only the music I like at some point, old songs are deleted.
I also got few videos/films(Family Guy ) to look, when I am bored sometimes or can't sleep in evening. Screen is small, but it isn't that bad for films.
I have an Mini Pro with a 32GB Sandisk Class 4 SD.
It works fine, no freezes at all. The only problem is the sound of it is not THAT good, i have never listened to an Ipod, but my phone cant handle much bass without distortion. I'm currently using PowerAMP player, its fantastic and you can configure it to make your music far better than the stock player and the "limiter" option fix the distortion problem.
I think its a good idea to use an external DAC (Fiio E17 example) if you like to listen to a perfect music with your perfect headphone.
EDIT: I have currently 8GB of music on my SD and PowerAMP loads it very fast.
Dv2y said:
I have an Mini Pro with a 32GB Sandisk Class 4 SD.
It works fine, no freezes at all. The only problem is the sound of it is not THAT good, i have never listened to an Ipod, but my phone cant handle much bass without distortion. I'm currently using PowerAMP player, its fantastic and you can configure it to make your music far better than the stock player and the "limiter" option fix the distortion problem.
I think its a good idea to use an external DAC (Fiio E17 example) if you like to listen to a perfect music with your perfect headphone.
EDIT: I have currently 8GB of music on my SD and PowerAMP loads it very fast.
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Is it even possible to use DAC on android phone? Is there a driver for it?
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I don't know about that driver ^^
I've ordered a 32GB on ebay (half the price of in the shops and unused, good seller) and am waiting for it to arrive in the next few days. I've practiced sending about 20 favourite songs to my 2GB card using Media Go. The transfer is way slower than iTunes, but like the guy at the top ^^ said, perhaps after the cache is created on the phone it will all move faster...the load time after that was about 15 seconds...not bad at all. My iPod classic takes about 10 seconds but I'm happy so far.
I can't wait to test the new SD. I'll report back on how it goes. Media Go has finally come of age I think, it's very capable now. I'm testing different music apps on my phone and so far I like DoubleTwist the most - for easy of use though Poweramp has probably the best audio I've heard. I also recommend trying the megabass.zip that's available on here.
urra901109 said:
Is it even possible to use DAC on android phone? Is there a driver for it?
https://code.google.com/p/android/i...rs&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars
Seems its not yet. ):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1616761
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Thanks for the links.
After extensive effort, don't bother trying to replace an iPod with an Android anything yet! What a joke. If you like iPods keep them...I've tried so many devices over the last 6 years and really they (for me) still got nothing on iPods...
HElp?
Someguyfromhell said:
I have been using stock music player all the time(Walkman on stock ROM, stock player on current, MIUI, ROM). Android phones do have music feature, even though most manufacturers are trying to improve other sides.
Live with Walkman is built for music lovers, with its dual speakers(bass is low, but for regular listening is quality fine), special Walkman(which actually misses own equalizer, but can be downloaded from Market).
iPod's and other Apple products use own cabling system, which probably allows high speed transfer. Androids have microUSB port, which might limit it.
USB 2.0 supports maximal of 60 MB/s, Apple probably takes so much possible from it, as one their port is for everything.
For 35GB of music material, it might take some time first to check all the folders for music files and load metadata to the player and create cache(that is done only after every music collection change).
If music folders are the same, same cache is used and loading player will be fast.
2011 Xperia's have 1 GHz processor, shouldn't take long time for loading anyway.
First time, placing all your music there might take a while, but later on, you don't add 10GB of stuff to SDcard at once, so that high speed might not be needed.
I might give it a try, when I have time, even though I have no problems with speed at the moment.
Besides, what would formatting give me? The file system has to stay FAT32 anyway, because Android doesn't support another ones.
Yes, 16GB works fine(14,8GB available due to difference in manufacturing and file systems, 1000-1024 difference). And no, music is about 2-3 GB from it, I don't keep all the music on my phone, only the music I like at some point, old songs are deleted.
I also got few videos/films(Family Guy ) to look, when I am bored sometimes or can't sleep in evening. Screen is small, but it isn't that bad for films.
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I use my XM only for listening to music or texting...so all the roms i tried either are for performance or some particular use....
CAn u suggest me a good rom only for Music?
I've got a mini pro with a 64gb sdxc card, poweramp as music player. Most points have been addressed before.
However you have to keep one point in mind. The phone plays decent enough audio on the go, with background noise and all other factors that come into play. Yet the ipod still has much better audio quality (use it with proper headphones and enough impedance and the difference is quite obvious) and I fear that's hardware related, no decent audio hardware in the phone. I have an external dac, but let's be honest why would i carry that around, it's as big/inconvenient as carrying an extra ipod around, given the choice I'll take my ipod with me.
For the price the phone has cost me, I'm pleased with it, small enough so don't have to carry an ipod around if I don't want to. The audio quality could however be better, and there's imho no software solution possible.
By the way; file transfer speed might be annoying, but how often are you going to be transferring several gigs of music? You put most of your collection on there once, or might change a few times. No point transferring flac or anything around that size to the phone.
Kinda off topic, but what sort of performance are you getting with the 64GB card? Are there any problems with compatibility? Would you mind running some speed tests on the card and posting the results?
Yeah what make of card have you got and were from. Looking 64gb for utorrent
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Yeah what make of card have you got and were from. Looking 64gb for utorrent
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Sorry for the late reply, didn't really see the first question and haven't had much time lately. I've got a Sandisk card of amazon.de. I'm not allowed to post links unfortunately. Anyway back when I bought it, it had a lot more good reviews. It's been replaced by another product in the mean time.
Does it still work yes, without fault almost. The only downside is that every time I add files via USB (pc), it causes a reboot verifying card integrity (only one reboot, so that's something I can live with). That might be because of the way the card is formatted, operating system I've used, still need to check into that.
I'm currently running a test for the read/write speeds, will post that later on.
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Ok so I've got some test results. Didn't test the entire card, just let the tests run for 10 minutes.
Read average 12.7 MegaBytes/S
Write average 8.6 MegaBytes/S
So not quite the class 10 it's labelled to be, pretty much knew that it was just a bit too slow. Did record video on it though without any hiccups.
I have a mini pro, paired with a 16gb kingston class 4 sd card and a Brainwavz M1 headphones, with this mix y just ditched my ipod touch of 16gb.
It's not my entire library but it's enough for my needs, I strongly recommend to buy the Poweramp music play app, it's a heavy improvement from stock music players. BTW this phones have fm radio a impossible feature in any apple device.
I would recommend the change, but it's up to you, if you want to move large data files or a large amount of data I strongly recommend to buy a micro sd to standard sd adapter and a class 10 card.
cheers