I have read up on this a bit, but I want to be sure, as I am rooting and flashing tomorrow. So excited!
So when you do Volume Up after trying to enter Download mode (accepting the warning), you flash a ROM, you'll have a triangle on the kernel boot screen and a flash counter right?
And how do you get rid of it? I heard a JIG works, but I talked to a friend with an i9100 and he says the JIG doesn't work after a specific firmware. Does it work for us on KH7? And what value, the standard 301k?
Someone suggested this http://mobiletechvideos.mybigcommerce.com/samsung-galaxy-s-download-mode-jig/ is there anything better? Cheaper? Anything that won't work I should look out for?
One more thing. Can a mod make a Q&A section like the Captivate had? I feel bad posting this in General.
Thanks for teaching an ex Android expert the ropes after being away so long *tear*
So far the only things I've read about reseting the count and get rid of the yellow triangle is the jig. I actually just ordered the one from that website. So ill let u know how it goes when ever I get it. I know my old cappy jig didn't work. Hopefully I didn't waist my money on this new one.
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From what I have been able to find out. It is the non-stock kernel that is bringing up the yellow triangle up and aside from flashing a stock kernel there isn't a way to get rid of it yet. I've heard that maybe a jig will help but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere
yoderk said:
From what I have been able to find out. It is the non-stock kernel that is bringing up the yellow triangle up and aside from flashing a stock kernel there isn't a way to get rid of it yet. I've heard that maybe a jig will help but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere
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Someone did have success with a jig.
Also, it only checks the kernel for "official" status when you flash, and it does not check the system image. So you can flash a kernel on-device if you have root from a shell:
Code:
dd if=zImage of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p5
The jig I had for my captivate does get rid of the yellow triangle. Just turned off phone, held down volume buttons, inserted jig, then it said count has been zeroed or something to that effect. I rebooted and yellow triangle was gone.
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Thanks for the confirmation guys Gonna order that jig now and flashing today!
I used my home made cappy jig and it too cleared my counter and removed the yellow triangle.
On a side note the firmware on the i9100 that seems to disable this feature has to do with new bootloaders from what i read. And most of us former cappy owners have learned to stay away from unproven bootloaders.
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kytrauma said:
I used my home made cappy jig and it too cleared my counter and removed the yellow triangle.
On a side note the firmware on the i9100 that seems to disable this feature has to do with new bootloaders from what i read. And most of us former cappy owners have learned to stay away from unproven bootloaders.
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Yeah I would not flash i9100 bootloaders.... why did they change them anyway? There was no serious firmware change.
Where are you buying your jig from?
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Haas360 said:
Where are you buying your jig from?
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I got mine from MobileTechVideos for my captivate, and tried it and it worked no problem.
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Haas360 said:
Where are you buying your jig from?
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I believe I posted a link in the OP. From MobileTech. I bought one with Paypal
yoderk said:
From what I have been able to find out. It is the non-stock kernel that is bringing up the yellow triangle up and aside from flashing a stock kernel there isn't a way to get rid of it yet. I've heard that maybe a jig will help but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere
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Interesting. My new SGSII is on it's way, but I am curious about this as well. I've got a jig for my cap that I'll try, but if all else fails, has anyone been able to confirm that flashing back to bone stock (via the Odin pack that is posted) will revert it back to normal (i.e. for warranty replacements)?
EDIT: I also just read another potentially disturbing article that there may be a second hidden counter that counts how many times that the counter has been reset: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117295&highlight=counter
I usually wouldn't care, but I've had to return my cap twice for warranty issues, and I wouldn't want to get screwed if I had a problem with my new one.
At the very minimum I may just try and root using SuperOneClick -- does anyone know if the process uses the download mode or screws with the counter?
pinoymutt said:
Interesting. My new SGSII is on it's way, but I am curious about this as well. I've got a jig for my cap that I'll try, but if all else fails, has anyone been able to confirm that flashing back to bone stock (via the Odin pack that is posted) will revert it back to normal (i.e. for warranty replacements)?
EDIT: I also just read another potentially disturbing article that there may be a second hidden counter that counts how many times that the counter has been reset: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117295&highlight=counter
I usually wouldn't care, but I've had to return my cap twice for warranty issues, and I wouldn't want to get screwed if I had a problem with my new one.
At the very minimum I may just try and root using SuperOneClick -- does anyone know if the process uses the download mode or screws with the counter?
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Yes, the methods use to root involve changing out the kernel to allow SuperOneclick to work so this also adds to the odin counter.
I bought my jig off ebay and I confirmed days ago that it worked. I bought it for my i9100 and it works for my i777 as well.
pinoymutt said:
At the very minimum I may just try and root using SuperOneClick -- does anyone know if the process uses the download mode or screws with the counter?
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Yes, for SOC to work you must use download mode to install an insecure or rooted kernel.
However, the counter does NOT count system image flashes as far as I can tell - so if you use my "stock + root" system package, you'll get root without increasing the counter or triggering the ! flag.
After that, you can flash a zImage on-device as follows using an ADB shell or terminal session:
Code:
dd if=zImage of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p5
This will flash a custom kernel without triggering the custom kernel warning or increasing the counter.
pinoymutt said:
Interesting. My new SGSII is on it's way, but I am curious about this as well. I've got a jig for my cap that I'll try, but if all else fails, has anyone been able to confirm that flashing back to bone stock (via the Odin pack that is posted) will revert it back to normal (i.e. for warranty replacements)?
EDIT: I also just read another potentially disturbing article that there may be a second hidden counter that counts how many times that the counter has been reset: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1117295&highlight=counter
I usually wouldn't care, but I've had to return my cap twice for warranty issues, and I wouldn't want to get screwed if I had a problem with my new one.
At the very minimum I may just try and root using SuperOneClick -- does anyone know if the process uses the download mode or screws with the counter?
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Oh my god counterception. This made me laugh hard in class, a counter that counts counter resets. DAMN!
This is scary though, and I don't want to flash without more info on this. I prefer to keep my warranty ATM. Had to warranty repair my Captivate once...
Entropy512 said:
After that, you can flash a zImage on-device as follows using an ADB shell or terminal session:
Code:
dd if=zImage of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p5
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would this work in mac osx terminal?
which cwm zImage should i use?
EDIT:
I originally used the files found in THIS thread, using heimdall, but it gave me a yellow triangle'
RockRatt said:
The jig I had for my captivate does get rid of the yellow triangle. Just turned off phone, held down volume buttons, inserted jig, then it said count has been zeroed or something to that effect. I rebooted and yellow triangle was gone.
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I did the same... My Captivate Jig works fine
All I did was turn off the phone, plug in the Jig and wait... Waa laa
I refuse to root/flash until the secondary counter is figured out I really need my warranty active.
Haloruler64 said:
I refuse to root/flash until the secondary counter is figured out I really need my warranty active.
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I'm with you on that one. I'm really surprised that others have not picked up on it (or really understand the impact).
Maybe we're just overly cautious -- but this bad boy screams on stock (at least compared to my Captivate) so it's not so bad leaving it for the time being...
Related
I just unrooted my SG2 with oneclick root and the exclamation mark is still there at boot (below the logo). My super user icon is now gone. How do I get rid of the exclamation mark? Don't want to void the warranty even with an unrooted phone.
Singuy1234 said:
I just unrooted my SG2 with oneclick root and the exclamation mark is still there at boot (below the logo). My super user icon is now gone. How do I get rid of the exclamation mark? Don't want to void the warranty even with an unrooted phone.
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International version used a jig to reset the custom kernel counter. It may work on the at&t version, but I don't think its been tested.
CB650 Wolf said:
International version used a jig to reset the custom kernel counter. It may work on the at&t version, but I don't think its been tested.
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So I am kind of stuck? Is this a way Samsung used to track if a phone rooted itself before or not?
Sucks too cause I didn't do anything after rooting it..and I may have hardware problems
I read in another post the jig did work for the AT&T version but cannot verify (ordered and waiting for my jig). For $4, might be worth a shot anyway.
Revert to the stock kernel. The "!" is there because of the nonofficial kernel.
You need to flash the stock kernel.
Custom kernels will set ! unless you use a jig or some special tricks (flashing the kernel from the device itself apparently doesn't trigger the !)
Rooted /system will not set ! - for example if you use my unbrick packages you'll get root but no !.
Oh boy, and where would I find stock kernel and how to install it back? I'm assuming I have to use odin 1.82 and install a tar file.
Don't tell me that every phone has a unique kernel and I should of backed mine up...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18071596&highlight=unroot#post18071596
It's just telling you that the phone is excited.
jivy26 said:
It's just telling you that the phone is excited.
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Personally I like it. Whenever I boot up and see it, it kind of gets me excited too...
Success! You guys are awesome. I see I have the super user icon, can I unroot it with oneclick root?
cliffgardner said:
I read in another post the jig did work for the AT&T version but cannot verify (ordered and waiting for my jig). For $4, might be worth a shot anyway.
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Hey, I just got my jig. Do i just plug it in? While the phone is on? What's the procedure?
skins2win said:
Hey, I just got my jig. Do i just plug it in? While the phone is on? What's the procedure?
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SEE POST #10 HERE
re: JIG
s60convert said:
SEE POST #10 HERE
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Turn the phone OFF completely then plug in the jig wait for the
big yellow triangle, then unplug the jig and set odin up with the
TAR file or files in the correct order.
Plug the usb cable in to the phone and Odin should light up
yellow where it has a box with com: in it.
Once you see it light up, click the START button in Odin and
it should flash your rom.
Good luck!
I have to return my phone back to best buy for a return, what all do I have to do? I'm on cognition x2. I want to get rid of the yellow triangle and return to UN rooted stock ROM...
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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ceo.mtcl said:
I have to return my phone back to best buy for a return, what all do I have to do? I'm on cognition x2. I want to get rid of the yellow triangle and return to UN rooted stock ROM...
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
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+1
Would be nice for someone to post up a tutorial for this. Im thinking about getting my s2 replaced as battery life is not so great. I think mine is defective. Today i only got 9hrs minimal usage. Im on stock+root+cwm
You will need the jig to reset the counter and you will need a stock ROM to flash back to stock. Is stock ROM available yet? Those are the two things I need at hand before doing any rooting or flashing custom ROMs.
I have the jig ordered but has yet to see a stock ROM posted.
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Is is not possible to do it without a jig? Can I not flash the stock kernel and get rid of the yellow triangle?
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Follow Entropy's thread in the Dev section about returning to stock. The exclamation point will disappear.
Here's the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
[Edit] Thanks for the clarification rquinn19
Kadin said:
Follow Entropy's thread in the Dev section about returning to stock. It WILL keep it rooted but the exclamation point will disappear. Unless the rep knows to look in Applications for Superuser, there's no other indication of it being rooted to the average user...
Here's the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286432
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he also put up an untouched, unrooted version now.
edit: dont listen to the post about the jig being needed.
rquinn19 said:
he also put up an untouched, unrooted version now.
edit: dont listen to the post about the jig being needed.
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i just ordered mine on ebay. i guess there will be a time im gonna have to use it anyways (unbricking etc)
Just tell Best Buy that you have no idea why there is a yellow triangle there.. >_>
There is a small (very small) chance some warranty service types might give you grief about the custom binary count being non-zero.
However if you're just plain returning the device to an AT&T store, the device will be returned and your money back before the device reaches Samsung and they pull the counter (if they even bother to do so.)
So just doing the Return to Stock from my thread should do the trick in almost all cases.
Now in my case... If I ever have problems I'm using a jig, my custom binary count is over 40 now.
i actually just want to return my s2 for an exchange to a new s2. i think i got a bad s2, battery just not good on mine.
regarding OP question...
here is ENTROPY's answer on his other thread.
simpl3lang said:
if i want to return to complete stock, all i have to do is odin the "Kernel + non-rooted system package" under PDA plus the MODEM under phone? if the MODEM was never messed with (like accidently installing a international version rom), we dont have to odin the MODEM right? or its a total must?
oh and thanks a bunch for all the hard work Entropy!!!!!
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Entropy512 said:
You may have to enter 3e recovery and wipe after you return to stock, but other than that:
Just odin the kernel + non-rooted system.
And yes, if you never touched the modem, no need to flash it. If you're returning to stock to return, I would:
Flash kernel + nonrooted system
Enter recovery and wipe (same method for entering CWM from poweroff, but with stock kernels you wind up in 3e)
Check to make sure your baseband is UCKH7 in Settings->About Phone. If it isn't, flash the modem.
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simpl3lang said:
i actually just want to return my s2 for an exchange to a new s2. i think i got a bad s2, battery just not good on mine.
regarding OP question...
here is ENTROPY's answer on his other thread.
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Good to know. I got mine at Best Buy, too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1313659
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BTW I don't think removing the Yellow Exclamation point resets the counter. If they know how to look for that, they can still see that you flashed the phone. The Jig removes the exclamation mark AND resets the counter to 0. So, all you have to do at that point is flash the stock rom, insert jig, and phone was as if you didn't tamper with it at all.
At least that's I hope the jig can do, cause why did I spend $8!!!???
SpectraDawn said:
BTW I don't think removing the Yellow Exclamation point resets the counter. If they know how to look for that, they can still see that you flashed the phone. The Jig removes the exclamation mark AND resets the counter to 0. So, all you have to do at that point is flash the stock rom, insert jig, and phone was as if you didn't tamper with it at all.
At least that's I hope the jig can do, cause why did I spend $8!!!???
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Yes, this has been reported in the i9100 forums with regard to the International version of the SGS II. Developers in this forum say otherwise. I havn't seen any posts proving this one way or the other. I havn't even seen any screen shots of the counter being anything other than "no".
Pretty much everyone agrees that the jig resets both. But it is also reported that bootloaders installed with the leaked versions of the stock rom do not allow the warning to be cleared or the counter to be reset with the jig.
I'd like to see some proof on these issues, or at least reports of first hand experience that gives us some verification on these issues.
I used this guide to root my phone:
forums.androidcentral.com/t-galaxy-s-ii/124047-how-root-t-galaxy-s-ii.html
It's a i777. I then read AFTER the fact (strange it wasnt mentioned in the guide. I know, my fault!) that the Flash Counter updates if you boot into download mode. This voids your warranty.
-Does rooting my phone using that guide really update my Flash Counter?
-And If so, is there a way to reset it in case something happens to my phone?
Planning on flashing CM7 or UnNamed tomorrow, so just curious.
re: Download Mode
crewxp said:
I used this guide to root my phone:
forums.androidcentral.com/t-galaxy-s-ii/124047-how-root-t-galaxy-s-ii.html
It's a i777. I then read AFTER the fact (strange it wasnt mentioned in the guide. I know, my fault!) that the Flash Counter updates if you boot into download mode. This voids your warranty.
-Does rooting my phone using that guide really update my Flash Counter?
-And If so, is there a way to reset it in case something happens to my phone?
Planning on flashing CM7 or UnNamed tomorrow, so just curious.
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Rooting the phone has nothing to do with the flash counter thingy...
When you root using SuperOneClick Rooter, the phone never goes into
download mode at all since there is NO reason to go into download mode
for just for rooting.
I know there are other methods of rooting besides SuperOneClick but
if any of the other methods require download mode I would NOT use it.
Not only because the counter, but each time we do anything in download mode we are taking a
small risk of bricking the phone so only use the download mode if you really have to and there
is no other way to do something you want to do.
That's one of the reasons why all these custom roms are zip files and
not TAR. There is way less of a chance to really damage the phone if
we use zipfiles for roms or mods or anything else.
If you want to check if the counter is started, go into download mode
by using the 2 volume control method.
Press both vol+/vol- and hold them press, then plug in the usb cable
from computer to phone.
When the screen comes up with a warning, just press vol up to continue and
look for the the word binary counter, it should say "NO" if counter is turned off.
Just booting into download mode does not trip the counter. Flashing a custom kernel via Odin or heimdall is how the binary counter gets tripped (note: flashing a stock kernel via Odin our heimdall will not trip the counter)
You can tell if you tripped the counter by
1. Seeing i9100 + yellow triangle warning sign on boot splash screen
2. Booting into download mode via volume up/down USB connect and read the counter directly
See this thread for in depth info
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1311081
Also info on that thread hour to reset the counter if you want with a download mode jig, the jig will erase and reset the binary counter, all the info you need is in that thread
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thanks a bunch guys! Yeah, I see a yellow warning when I boot it up. Just heading to bed, will give that thread a look tomorrow.
But it should be possible to erase and reset the counter with a 'jig'?
crewxp said:
thanks a bunch guys! Yeah, I see a yellow warning when I boot it up. Just heading to bed, will give that thread a look tomorrow.
But it should be possible to wrasse and reset the counter with a 'jig'?
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yes. Its all in that thread.
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dayv said:
yes. Its all in that thread.
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Believe it or not, but I have never went into download mode
for any reason without the jig I purchased about two years ago.
It's not because of the counter issue with our phones but it's just
just way too convenient to use the jig.
I just heard about the counter issue here on XDA after purchasing
this i777 phone.
The Captivate and the Infuse phones I had before did not have
a counter issue.
Misterjunky said:
Believe it or not, but I have never went into download mode
for any reason without the jig I purchased about two years ago.
It's not because of the counter issue with our phones but it's just
just way too convenient to use the jig.
I just heard about the counter issue here on XDA after purchasing
this i777 phone.
The Captivate and the Infuse phones I had before did not have
a counter issue.
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Actually, the Infuse does if you flashed the H1 OTA, or the Gingerbread bootloaders from J2.
Can you re-post the thread link? IT says the thread does not exist.
re: Thread
crewxp said:
Can you re-post the thread link? IT says the thread does not exist.
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I think the moderator moved the thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1311081
Thanks a bunch!
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Misterjunky said:
I think the moderator moved the thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1311081
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That thread is definitely the way to go, IMO. This method will not trip the counter. Once you complete this method, you will be able to flash using CWM. CWM will not trip the counter, or the yellow triangle, when flashing.
Hi @all...
I never thought rooting the phone (to get the CM9 nightlies) was such a complicated ordeal. I've no clue how much time I spent reading threads and evaluating all the possible ways to root.
I want to avoid increasing the flash counter by all means as I still have one year of warranty left... just to be on the safe side. Unfortunately I already have Android 2.3.6 (kernel 2.6.35.7-...LA4) on the phone, so from what I was able to figure out on my own, this means SuperOneClick or in general zergRushExploit based roots won't work anymore since the leak has been fixed. I could flash an insecure kernel but some people say that in general everything flashed through Odin will increase the flash counter and others say, that flashing an insecure kernel won't do anything to the counter (the whole idea would be kinda pointless if it didn't imho). Also there is the talk of a newer bootloader which will prevent resetting the counter. So much information to digest...
So, I would really like to ask for some friendly help. Is there any way to root the i9100 without increasing the flash counter that will still work with my current firmware and that I can use as a stepping stone to flash the CM9 nightlies? Or some alternative I am not seeing? (except for staying on stock)
Thanks a lot for helping me out in advance...
matthew.
Zergrush 4 (Doomlord) works on KL1 2.3.6 - I'm on it.
No "counter" issues
Also if you do increase your counter there is triangle away app which resets it to 0 without a jig.
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Get a jig...
It costs only a dollars or so!!!
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What you can do is:
go to the cm9 user discussion and flash the recommended bootloader
download the clockwork mod recovery from the rom manager website, gapps and latest cm nightly then place it on your external SD card and not the internal
Using stock recovery navigate to the clockwork recovery zip and apply
It will bring up clockwork mod recovery
Do a factory reset...then you can wipe system/data/cache partition from mounts and storage but its optional (I did this because I just wanted a super clean install)
Install the nightly and gapps
you have succesfuly installed CM9
Enjoy
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koolshubh said:
Get a jig...
It costs only a dollars or so!!!
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A jig won't work on 2.3.6 onwards..
And just remember triangle away app only works on ics...
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First of all, thanks @all for your help.
@LenAsh: If KL1 is your kernel build version, you are actually on a older kernel. If it is your firmware version, you are newer though (KI4 here). The reason why I am pointing this out is that I have read in both developer threads, that with LA4 kernels and/or Android >= 2.3.6, the exploits used won't work. But again, there were also people reporting otherwise. Could you maybe clearify what exact versions you are on, please?
@st3chn0: Hm, won't flashing the bootloader also increase the dreaded flash counter because it is done through Odin?
@Li4m79: I know. What I haven't figured out so far (and maybe you can help me out on this one): Is the requirement an "ICS bootloader" or really ICS? So if I flash CM9 from my GB stock and keep the bootloader as is, will I still be able to use the Triangle Away app?
So long,
matthias
2.3.6 - in my sig
LenAsh said:
2.3.6 - in my sig
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Ok, that I got the first time. But it is just part of the story. Firmware and kernel version would be nice to know. Thanks.
BinaryKhaos said:
First of all, thanks @all for your help.
@st3chn0: Hm, won't flashing the bootloader also increase the dreaded flash counter because it is done through Odin?
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Flashing just the bootloader wont do anything to the bootloader since its the samsung official bootloader... only things such as custom kernels etc (not verified by samsung themselves) will increase the counter
BinaryKhaos said:
First of all, thanks @all for your help.
@Li4m79: I know. What I haven't figured out so far (and maybe you can help me out on this one): Is the requirement an "ICS bootloader" or really ICS? So if I flash CM9 from my GB stock and keep the bootloader as is, will I still be able to use the Triangle Away app?
So long,
matthias
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Not sure mate... but if you are flashing cm9 why keep the boot loader? ... just flash cm9 and then use triangle away...
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Hello, I hope it's okay to resurrect this for a related question.
I've got my SGSII (I9100) only a couple of days ago, but coming from another android (which is nowadays lowend: I5800) which was always rooted I couldn't stay un-rooted for long. I've rooted using su/busybox injection via temporary CWM, as that obviously doesn't increase flash count (and consequently doesn't cause the yellow triangle).
I'm a bit worried about possibly needing warranty at some point, when the phone is in a state where I can't use it anymore to use "triangle away" (like display hardware issues, whatever) but Samsung can read the flash counter (possibly denying warranty).
So on to my actual question: I tried to find some clear information about what exactly causes the flash counter to increase and/or causes the yellow triangle. There isn't any sticky about it (in any of the sticky thread collections), so could someone clarify that for me?
My phone already shipped with ICS, I would conclude that I already have one of the new bootloaders that can no longer be reset using a jig (unless I flash an old one just for this, obviously).
I've read the only operation that can cause triangcle/counter increase is flashing a kernel (and rom with a kernel) in download mode (Odin) and that Samsungs own (unmodified) kernels are always OK to flash. Correct so far?
Concluding from that, it would mean that any nandroid restore operation would also be safe (for returning to some custom rom after testing/disliking a different one). Just like applying and update.zip (including things like flashing a rom this way). Still correct, I hope?
I really wish there was a sticky explaining this in detail, not just the existence of the counter/triangle and that it's possible to get rid of it, but not how to avoid getting it in the first place.
You can use for ics triangle away app and for GB u can use the one click root
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For my case when i needed to flash GB i upgraded the os to ICS and rooted the ICS then i installed odin for mobile and then i flashed the GB again with ODIN from my mobile and i already reset my counters with triangle away in the 1st step try this one it will make u happy lol
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moe.nassef said:
You can use for ics triangle away app and for GB u can use the one click root
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Thanks for the reply, but I already know that. It will most likely be no problem to reset, but writing to the bootloader always entails a certain risk (of hard brick), however slim. This is also clearly stated in the "triangle away" description and forum thread.
Since the knowledge of what exactly increments the counter is surely out there, I'd just like to avoid doing those things in the first place.
Can you confirm/deny my statements above? Like about odin/update.zip and so on?
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Thanks for the reply, but I already know that. It will most likely be no problem to reset, but writing to the bootloader always entails a certain risk (of hard brick), however slim. This is also clearly stated in the "triangle away" description and forum thread.
Since the knowledge of what exactly increments the counter is surely out there, I'd just like to avoid doing those things in the first place.
Can you confirm/deny my statements above? Like about odin/update.zip and so on?
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Dear,
I know its risky but am using android since its early beging and never encounter a brick for my galaxy s2 i always use odin and triangle away and i dont have any issues believe me if you are having any issue in solving a little problem like this dont go deeper as u'll not feel the happiness of solving it due to your fears .. if i were you and am afraid i wont try .
Wish you the best
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moe.nassef said:
Dear,
I know its risky but am using android since its early beging and never encounter a brick for my galaxy s2 i always use odin and triangle away and i dont have any issues believe me if you are having any issue in solving a little problem like this dont go deeper as u'll not feel the happiness of solving it due to your fears .. if i were you and am afraid i wont try .
Wish you the best
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You are completely missing my point. I'd have to clear the counter after every flash that increased it, as I can't guarantee my phone would be in a state where I can do it the moment I do need the warranty. I know it's quite unlikely that something will go wrong and the operation results in a brick.
But why risk even that, if it can easily be avoided? I just need to know what exactly will and what will not increase the counter. Hence my skating for exactly that information.
Swyped on my Galaxy S2
you know i have rooted my phone more times than i can remember, versions of GB, ICS and now i use F1 Nexus ROM and i have always been able to get rid of the yellow triangle and reset the counter without any problems.
it is a jig solution, so i have 1 of those, then i have a an old bootloader file that is called 'oldbootloader' !!! thing is i dont remember where i got it from. anyway, every time after having rooted the phone, i just flash the oldbootloader in Odin PDA box, turn off the phone, plug in the jig and counter is reset, triangle gone. so far it has never failed.
Its very simple, you should have known this......
Flashing a non Samsung kernel / in secure kernel will do that.
Still there are ways you can flash in secure kernel without counter go up, but you have to be rooted and using mobile Odin.
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You are completely missing my point. I'd have to clear the counter after every flash that increased it, as I can't guarantee my phone would be in a state where I can do it the moment I do need the warranty. I know it's quite unlikely that something will go wrong and the operation results in a brick.
But why risk even that, if it can easily be avoided? I just need to know what exactly will and what will not increase the counter. Hence my skating for exactly that information.
Swyped on my Galaxy S2
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Any custom rom will increase your counter any root like CF root will increase ur counter if you are using a new non stock kernal it will increase the same .. the idea is if you reset the counter one time and then installed mobile odin app on your phone you want have any increase in the counter your whole life and also you will not lose the root and you can flash what ever you want you will not lose the warranty
And they will not able to find out that you one used a custom ROM i already sent my device to the warranty and they mentioned that i'm a noob and am treating the device in a decent way lol
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If you use your odin while flashing a stock os like xxlph it will increase nothing if you used a stock kernel nothing will happened but if you do so you will lose your root and if you lost your root and u wants to get it back it can increase except if you flashed the root kernel from the device with odin mobile or CWM .. forgot to tell also that if you installed any thing with CWM it will not affect your counter
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I bought a USB jig from eBay, which came in the post this morning. I turned my phone off, removed and inserted the battery, and plugged the jig in.The thing is, it only boots into download mode and doesn't clear the flash counter, and therefore not deleting the yellow triangle.
What is the problem? Is is the firmware? I'm running build 4 SuperNexus 4.2.2 JB ROM. On some website I saw that Samsung removed the ability to clear the counter after some version, and that I have to flash some zip file with odin? Or something to do with the bootloader? What's up with this? I looked around, and only saw threads like these for <4.1, therefore I don't wanna flash it so I don't mess anything up.
Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888. It's not for 4.2.2 though.
And here are the bootloader things: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402286 Are they safe to flash? If so, which one?
Another bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578866
http://www.modmymobile.co.uk/phone-...-remove-yellow-boot-triangle-galaxy-s-ii.html Something to do with samsung removing the ability in the blue box.
Shall I flash the bootloader? And what is the difference apart from the ability to reset the counter between the new one and old one? Or shall I just use TriangleAway?
Can anyone help? Thanks in advance
Try TriangleAway
domdomrys said:
I bought a USB jig from eBay, which came in the post this morning. I turned my phone off, removed and inserted the battery, and plugged the jig in.The thing is, it only boots into download mode and doesn't clear the flash counter, and therefore not deleting the yellow triangle.
What is the problem? Is is the firmware? I'm running build 4 SuperNexus 4.2.2 JB ROM. On some website I saw that Samsung removed the ability to clear the counter after some version, and that I have to flash some zip file with odin? Or something to do with the bootloader? What's up with this? I looked around, and only saw threads like these for <4.1, therefore I don't wanna flash it so I don't mess anything up.
Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354888. It's not for 4.2.2 though.
And here are the bootloader things: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1402286 Are they safe to flash? If so, which one?
Another bootloader: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578866
http://www.modmymobile.co.uk/phone-...-remove-yellow-boot-triangle-galaxy-s-ii.html Something to do with samsung removing the ability in the blue box.
Shall I flash the bootloader? And what is the difference apart from the ability to reset the counter between the new one and old one? Or shall I just use TriangleAway?
Can anyone help? Thanks in advance
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Never Mess with the 'Bootloader' for now ma8
just use the 'Traingle Away' app to get rid of both the 'Yellow Triangle' and the 'Binary count' for now
Ps- do make a bkp of ur exsisting setup before hand
Sun90 said:
Never Mess with the 'Bootloader' for now ma8
just use the 'Traingle Away' app to get rid of both the 'Yellow Triangle' and the 'Binary count' for now
Ps- do make a bkp of ur exsisting setup before hand
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Thanks, but I'm kinda freaked out about the line:
"THIS IS A DANGEROUS OPERATION AND COULD POTENTIALLY BRICK YOUR DEVICE. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. A USB JIG IS PREFERRED IF YOU HAVE A WORKING ONE.
( and by brick I mean brick - only a board replacement or a JTAG unit will be able to save you, don't mess with boot(loader) stuff unless you really mean it! )"
Have you witnessed something like this happen, as you are pretty experienced ? I'm guessing that still, it's probably safer than bootloaders...
It's safer than flashing a bootloader. Just don't go there. Unless you have a very specific reason to & absolutely no alternative (same as flashing a PIT).
You have an alternative.
MistahBungle said:
It's safer than flashing a bootloader. Just don't go there. Unless you have a very specific reason to & absolutely no alternative (same as flashing a PIT).
You have an alternative.
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Yeah. I might try TriangleAway if I'm gonna be desperate. I can live with the triangle ;D Thanks to everyone who helped.
Triangle Away could (in the worst case scenario) cause a softbrick. I'm sure chainfire wouldn't have released an app that can cause hardbrick, and with his expertise in Android, i bet that's impossible too (unless, if he really wants too)
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Yeah. I might try TriangleAway if I'm gonna be desperate. I can live with the triangle ;D Thanks to everyone who helped.
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I've used triangle away 3 or 4 times without any problems at all. It's fast and I believe it's safe!
Cheers!!
I tried Triangle Away, and unfortunately it didn't work. I think this is mainly because of my system being slightly corrupted, as sometimes I don't have signal which requires me to go into the app SGII_repair and do the second option. Also when I press "run tracker" it says that something is wrong and requires a factory reset. I will probably return to stock and then do a clean install of SuperNexus again. Thanks to everyone who helped!
same problem
domdomrys said:
I tried Triangle Away, and unfortunately it didn't work. I think this is mainly because of my system being slightly corrupted, as sometimes I don't have signal which requires me to go into the app SGII_repair and do the second option. Also when I press "run tracker" it says that something is wrong and requires a factory reset. I will probably return to stock and then do a clean install of SuperNexus again. Thanks to everyone who helped!
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Also using supernexus and Triangle away doesn't reset counter, I wrote chainfire an email and hope for good
If you have succeeded somehow to reset without removing the ROM , please leave instructions .
thanks