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Hi all,
I was wondering whether anyone had any theories why some apps I've paid for disappear when using different ROM's / Phones.
The Apps I can use as an example, are as follows:-
1. Exchange by Touchdown Key by NitroDesk, Inc
2. RootTools by JRummy16
3. 360 Live by Juan Xavier Larrea
For example, while using Lite'ning ROM v6.0 on my SGS2, all those apps were available. But when I changed ROM's to the SensatioN ROM by Crysis, they disappeared.
Similarly, on my X10i when I upgraded to 2.3.3 they all disappeared. And because this happened without any tweaking, i.e. it was using Sony's release without ROOT'ing, I contacted Android Market Support and this was their explanation in relation to the Touchdown Key.
"Thanks for writing back. It appears in a recent update by the developer,
they changed the screen requirements of the app, it now only supports
Normal, 160 (density) screens. The specs on your device show as Normal 240
(density). So to continue using this app you will need to contact the
developer and request the 240 be added into the app."
So with that response in mind, I'm trying to figure out why there is a difference on my SGS2 when I switch between Lite'ning ROM and the SensatioN ROM.
Any thoughts? Does anyone know why I am seeing these differences between two ROM's? Is this something to do with tweaks within these ROM's and the density that Market Support is talking about above? Or the old problem of footprinting?
There's no way to definitively answer your question, unless you know the particular applications as well as the developers.
Yes, a lot of ROMs have different LCD Density values. If it is just down to LCD Density then that's a very simple fix. Try setting it back to 240 (default value) and see if the application reappear. I've never heard of apps not showing in the Market due to LCD Density though. I think you've just been fobbed off there, but I'm not 100% sure - just about 99%.
In case you don't know, to set LCD Density you need a rooted phone. Edit /system/build.prop and find the value in there. You can do this manually with something like Root Explorer (my personal choice), or there are apps that set LCD Density available on the Market, but lots of them don't persist the change for long.
Thanks for the reply mate.
Yeah, my phone(s) is rooted. I'll do a few tests with an App I saw on the market (LCDDensity for Root) and see if that makes any difference to the market content...
Funnily enough, I stumbled across this post from searching for that app in Google...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183444
I'll report back whether it does fix the problem...
Grevane said:
Funnily enough, I stumbled across this post from searching for that app in Google...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183444
I'll report back whether it does fix the problem...
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I'm surprised by that, but if that's what it does then that's what it does! Have you tried browsing for apps in the market on your PC? Obviously your PC doesn't know what your current LCD Density setting is on your phone, so it may not be relevant.
Maybe remote install from the website is the way to go.
Different ROMs are based from different builds, which can also include for which device as well.
So if the rom you are using announces itself as htc sensation, your samsung only apps goes missing in market, and vice versa!
Android market allows the developer to choose which brands/model phones they want the app to be used by.
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Different ROMs are based from different builds, which can also include for which device as well.
So if the rom you are using announces itself as htc sensation, your samsung only apps goes missing in market, and vice versa!
Android market allows the developer to choose which brands/model phones they want the app to be used by.
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Is that relevant though? I thought that all the ROMs for the S2 were based on the Samsung ROMs. There's certainly no HTC ROMs available for it.
Of course, the developer can put in the build.prop (I believe) whatever they want, but why would they do that?
Well, so far, as far as I can tell, the LCD Density hasn't helped....
I also cannot install "remotely" from the market website as the market website says "This item is not compatible with your device".
I've also tried this... without any success...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11626645&postcount=425
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I found the solution to the market downloading problem! For anyone who has been having the Market Downloading issue with this ROM do the following and it should fix your issue. It fixed the issue for me and a co-worker.
To fix the market you go in manage applications:
1. Find Google frame work, clear all data and then force stop
2. Find Market.apk – then clear cache & data, then force stop.
3. Then, open ROM manager and fix permissions.
4. After the permissions have been fix, boot into Clockwork from ROM manager. And then format the Cache Partition.
5. Now reboot and test.
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Hmmm... strange...
I'm surprised to see I am the only person I have seen with this issue; either that or I'm looking in the wrong places. About a week or so ago, my android market was updated to the newest version, ever since then it has been a nightmare. apps that I have been using for over a year now say there not compatible, when I know for a fact they are. I recently flashed the latest CM7 nightly and when I brought the market back up, some of my apps said they were already installed when they in fact were not, however there was no way to override this so I just seemed to be sol.
The final straw was this; I wanted to install "multiling keyboard", so I went to the market and there was no download button to be found. So I went to the market on my PC and found that it listed my EVO and my modded HD2, it said the app was compatible with both handsets believe it or not. However it said the the app was already installed on my EVO, which at the time it was not. I searched for hours and found no way around this. So I tried a different Google account, thinking maybe it was linked with that account. I then searched for the app again, and believe it or not, It then told me that the app was not compatible, log back into the other account, and the app is listed as compatible but also listed as already installed with no way to override.
So now I find the only way to install certain apps is to uninstall the market updates so it goes back to the old market, then I can download whatever I want no questions asked. However its only temporary because within 15min it will automatically update itself again.
Get titanium, freeze market updater. Had the same issue
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Ok I froze the market updater, and then downgraded the market app from 3.0.27 to 2.3.6. It seems to be working, I'll post back if I have any issues.
However even though this is a fine workaround for now, does anyone know of a way to just fix the issue? obviously we all cant just stay at an older version of the market forever.
Google has been rubbing me the wrong way for about a year now, but this has really got my blood boiling. I don't need someone telling me what they think is already on my phone what whats not. I also don't need someone telling me whats compatible and whats not. I can fully understand licensing restrictions, don't like 'em, but i get it. but as for these new checks they implemented, there needs to be a bypass feature. Either have a "I am not an idiot" setting in your account, or just a button that says "I understand the risk, Install anyway". But this is ridiculous, something has to be done. I have already sent Google a letter, doubt anyone will read it, but i sent it.
I would also love for a solution to this... not a reversion...
Anybody out there have any clue where to start? I have been searching high and low and cant find much of anything.
ITS THE LCD DENSITIES! lol. Do you change your lcd density to? Because when I change mine back the market works fine
I never thought of that, but yes I do change my LCD density, I have it set to 200 instead of 240. That explains the incompatible issue. I'm still sol though, I'm not going to change my build.prop every time I want to use the market. Also I'm still having issues with it saying that apps are already installed on my phone when they are not.
Thankfully ugothakd's suggestion is working great for now. I hope we can get this figured out. If not its just going to end up being one of those things we will have to wait forever for Google to fix.
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Thank you ugothakd! I change my density from 200 to 240. Now I have access to google maps and youtube. Really sucks though I like my density set to 200. I am surprised that people are not having more problems with this dumb market.
I don't mean to bring this back from the dead. But has there been any word on this issue? I'm still stuck at an old version of the market. I've tried updating and every time I still have the same issues. Its all over my screen density, if I change it from 200 to 240 the market works fine.
I have the same issue my self i have a htc desire and now with new market to apps that are missing
if i click on link in google to point to market for app all i get is this app ain't compatible with your device when i know for fact that it do
im starting to get pissed off with it as i used the new market before it was released over here in uk and now after i update my cm rom this is all i get or the app don't show in first place
google really need to add an option to disable this feature ie under options for people who know the risks of trying to run apps that may not be intended for the device as i personally have found nearly all apps work on my phone rarely come across any that don't even all the old apps tend to work if anything this new feature is a pain in the rear so so annoyed at this
P.s screen density has nothing to do with it with me i found new market added a new device to my list yet it's the same phone i leave my screen at 240 its default hope this gets sorted soon
Sorry to bring up an old thread but has anyone resolved the issue. I love my LCD density at 180 and setting it back to 240 just to install an application really irks me.
I've noticed at least 10 apps that show as 'not compatible' with my Streak, including the latest, XDA app, for example.
Question is: Why?
I have only modded the resolution to 180, but other than that, I'm running a stock and rooted ROM (351) with just a bit of bloatware stripped out. (Stage UI, etc.)
Can anyone give me an idea as to why apps that by all accounts ARE compatible show as being incompatible for me?
The main point is that I'm sure that many of these apps work for other Streak owners, just not for me.
The XDA app being a prime example of such. There must be a logical reason, but I don't know it. Anyone?
I am also on stock 351 and the XDA app shows up as compatible for me in the market. Did you change your fingerprint to get another app working, such as Netflix? I am at the stock 160 density.
The method that the market uses to determine compatibility is pretty poor when it comes to matching apps with compatible devices. You can try changing the fingerprint to another device.
Double check that you have the content filtering (maturity level) set to all, but that should not effect the XDA app.
I too found now that lots of the apps shows that they are not compatible with Dell Streak. Even some of the apps already installed won`t update because they are not compatible with Dell Streak now!
I tried to unroot Streak and now it is ok and at least apps already installed are again compatible. So try to unroot it first. Anyway, I needed root just to get rid of ooVoo etc.
I have official 351 and density set to 140
Revin said:
I too found now that lots of the apps shows that they are not compatible with Dell Streak. Even some of the apps already installed won`t update because they are not compatible with Dell Streak now!
I tried to unroot Streak and now it is ok and at least apps already installed are again compatible. So try to unroot it first. Anyway, I needed root just to get rid of ooVoo etc.
I have official 351 and density set to 140
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I can't function without root, but I suspect it might be the same problem, because I have the identical problem. Installed apps show as 'incompatible'... what a load of crap.
Thanks for the tip. I'll try it.
Unrooting attempt forked my system. I had to restore. Thank god for Nandroid
Can't unroot.
Which items are showing as not compatible with the Streak so someone like me, with the resolution untouched but the ROM rooted, can test things.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Which items are showing as not compatible with the Streak so someone like me, with the resolution untouched but the ROM rooted, can test things.
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Many things which I already have installed show as incompatible, such as these two examples:
Drag Racing
XDA Forum app
QuickOffice Pro (which I own and purchased directly) is also listed as incompatible, but I have it installed and running perfectly.
I found an apk here for the Drag Racing app and it works. I'm now up to the latest version, but my Market app still shows that I need to update but says it's not compatible, but as I said, I already have the game installed and have already updated it to 1.1.0 via the apk manually.
There are quite few others, but I don't recall them all now.
None of those are showing as incompatible on my Streak. So the most likely culprit is the screen DPI change you made, since the DPI change is the only major difference between your Streak and mine. There are other possibilities such as a bugged Market APK or a corrupt flash of the ROM, but those aren't as likely.
I presume you have tried getting these apps through your PC?
I think it is just the root. I have DPI 140 (different from official 160 and even that is not standard for 800x480 screen) and I have device unrooted now and apps are compatible again (for example Appbrain was not compatible before and now it is ok).
When I last time had problem with this I wrote to developer of application and he wrote back that the app should be compatible with Dell Streak. So I wrote to Google support and they wrote that my device is rooted so they can't support it. So maybe Google is blocking some of the apps to the root users?
Donalgodon: sorry for your troubles with unrooting. I used Gingerbreak and the unroot function worked perfectly.
If I weren't rooted I might be inclined to agree with you. But, I'm rooted therefore something else must be causing the compatibility problem. Unlike you guys, I didn't change the dpi of the screen. The dpi change seems to be the common denominator here, and thus the dpi is more than likely the culprit.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
None of those are showing as incompatible on my Streak. So the most likely culprit is the screen DPI change you made, since the DPI change is the only major difference between your Streak and mine. There are other possibilities such as a bugged Market APK or a corrupt flash of the ROM, but those aren't as likely.
I presume you have tried getting these apps through your PC?
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They show as incompatible from the PC also. I reset the Market, but no love.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
If I weren't rooted I might be inclined to agree with you. But, I'm rooted therefore something else must be causing the compatibility problem. Unlike you guys, I didn't change the dpi of the screen. The dpi change seems to be the common denominator here, and thus the dpi is more than likely the culprit.
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Hmmm... but I have different DPI then official (140) and when unrooted apps are compatible again and I still have DPI 140... But maybe another idea - I updated market manually. If I think of it, that was maybe the time when appbrain shows as not compatible...
So, does anyone updated Android market manually too?
I did not manually update Market, but it did it automatically to the 3.1.3 version. I'll strip out the DPI change later today and report back.
I had the same problem so I tried changing back to 160 using blade buddy, nothing happened, until I accidentally turned it off. After boot, I checked market and it was fixed. So I tried going back to 200 using lcd density (which is temporary until you do a full reboot), the problem came back. I did a reboot, now back to 160 and it was ok again. So I tried blade buddy again and set it to 200 and saved it, full reboot, and it's still fixed. I hope this will solve your problem too.
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Just a follow up to my own OP...
I stripped out every mod I made and even replaced the original build prop from a backup I made when I first flashed the stock ROM.
No luck. Still the same apps show as incompatible with my device.
This may be one more motivation for me to dump the streak.
Anybody have any other ideas about what I can try?
I had problems with some of my apps not showing so I changed my fingerprint to 351, uninstalled the new market update, and froze the market updater. Using the old market without a problem and all my apps are available. HBO Go would not install with the new market, now it does. Running SD 191 perf 200 dpi.
rsfinsrq said:
I had problems with some of my apps not showing so I changed my fingerprint to 351, uninstalled the new market update, and froze the market updater. Using the old market without a problem and all my apps are available. HBO Go would not install with the new market, now it does. Running SD 191 perf 200 dpi.
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How can I freeze the market from updating automatically using Titanium Backup?
donalgodon said:
How can I uninstall the Market update if it updated automatically?
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First freeze market updater (I use Bloat freezer), then go to settings, manage apps, all apps, select market and then select uninstall updates.
You could also change market updater apk to bak
I am writing to get some details or clarification on the LCD Density of the Droid X2.
I have noticed on several sites that the lcd density is ~256 ppi pixel density. PhoneArena and GsmArena both list this. Wikipedia has useful information, but not in this aspect, or it is nested under a subject somewhere. I noticed in the standard stock Verizon rom in the build.prop that it is set to 240, I also noticed this is the same setting for the CM7 build also.
My conclusion is that it is set this way for app compatibility? I understand that it can make the resolution smaller or larger depending on the setting. I have with other phones, changed the density and some looked and performed better (Possibly my imagination?), but it broke some apps and thoroughly pissed off Android Market. By The Market statement I mean that many apps were reported as "not compatible with your device".
*The easiest thing would be a explanation of the pros and cons of this setting/adjustment.
*Also a tip on how to fix the market, along with apps that get cranky when adjusting this setting. (It may be possible that the market and app issues are gone now, but making sure of this) I have skimmed some resources but none that were detailed enough or were just too excessive. The threads here, what few that are related get turned into an app fest discussion.
(Point is not what app to use or not to use to adjust density).
Please be simple and to the point, unless you truly know what you are talking about. I thank everyone who contributes to this discussion.
It's interesting you point this out. I have long suspected app issues are with the odd PPI of the X2.
In calculating the true density, I come up with 256.7 PPI. That means it falls into the hdpi catagory. However, you are right about the build.prop saying it is 240 PPI. I think this is just set as the minimum for the app to appropriate the correct layouts.
I doubt this actually has to do with the issue you are having. A lot of developers do not allow certain apps to work on devices for which they have not tested- although they shouldn't be appearing in our market in the first place.
To fix the market freeze the market auto updater with your favorite bloat freezer. Boot into 240 dpi. Go into settings then manage apps then the market and clear data. Go into market and click accept and back out. Then boot into preferred dpi. This should fix any issues. If they arise, repeat. This worked for me.
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Hey there. I'm very curious as to what the proper steps to change this setting are. I don't want to just go into my build.prop and screw some things up. I found the line. Should I just backup my phone, backup the build.prop and then edit the line and reboot my phone? Thanks for anty help.
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I tried to download ShadowGun onto my TP running CM9, and it says that my device is incompatable.........why?.....
Also tried it with Need for Speed Shift.....
Oh, btw, both are on sale for $0.49
The touchpad is not running official android so some apps, usually games, don't recognize it as compatible even when it is. You will want to change the build.prop file to an official android device with similar hardware, if I was on my desktop id give u the exact device
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Build.prop file??????.......lol......let me go search it up......thx for the reply.....
Downloaded fine for me. Plays pretty smooth too. Running cm9 alpha 2.
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Worked for me I'm on cm7.
Sent from my android touchpad.
Followed the instructions in this post, and all is well.......
http://www.everythingabouttablets.net/2012/01/02/get-asphalt-6-hd-running-on-your-cm7-touchpad/
Also, if you've changed your LCD density, a lot of apps will show up incompatible. You can either change it back to 160, or use an app like lcd density pro to download a modded market apk that will work with your custom screen density, while making the market think you are still running 160.
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Also, if you've changed your LCD density, a lot of apps will show up incompatible. You can either change it back to 160, or use an app like lcd density pro to download a modded market apk that will work with your custom screen density, while making the market think you are still running 160.
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Thanks for recommending lcd density pro I was a little skeptical about paying ~$3 for it but it seems to work great with the app market where I change my DPI to 132 the native DPI of the Touchpad.
You may want to try the "rohan" update here in the Dev section. It changes a bunch of stuff in your build.prop file. I was able to download and start Shadowgun last night (I didn't really try playing). I still had problems with Dead Space, and haven't tested any of the Gameloft games yet.