Just recently tried 360 Camera app. Looks pretty cool, however I'm not certain it has full control of the camera.
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The app has the ability to save photos as high quality, medium quality, ect... I see the saved image size is in fact larger, but the PQ doesn't appear to be any different. I'm wondering if this is due to NR or that the camera app isn't able to provide any advantage to the built in app. because it doesn't have real control over the image captured. Meaning the camera applies compression NR internally.
Does the camera app. have the ability to avoid or reduce picture compression?
I also noticed the camera app. doesn't provide macro photo capabilities and the EXIF data is lacking. Not the same level of detail captured by the default camera app.
Anyone know of a better app. or if the app truly has control of the camera?
Any input would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Mike
I've never used this 360 camera app. Where did you get this?
https://market.android.com/details?id=vStudio.Android.Camera360&hl=en
You could try this: lgCamera by RubberBigPepper https://market.android.com/details?id=rubberbigpepper.lgCamera&feature=search_result
I checked the link, and I decide to save my comments after I actually used it.
Nice links and I went ahead and tried some of these other options.
However, none of this answers my original question. Does the software have full control over the camera, to the point it can actually apply the Jpeg conversion to the RAW image?
Mike
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Hi all, I'm new here and to the android world,
I have a Q:
I am coming from the graphic design and Photoshop and I knew few things about camera and image processing and after looking in the camera app on android I cant find good app that can just take a pic without processing! (sharpening, noise redaction, etc)
I wonder why no 1 made such app that gives the user option to take the natural photo prom the sensor without the stupid image processing algorithm!
I want the natural photo and edit it later in pro software (Photoshop)
Is the app like this?
I'm not sure if it processes images by default as it has effects that can be manually applied in post photography which might mean it takes pictures unprocessed, but I use a replacement camera app called camera zoom fx and it takes much better pics than my phones default camera app so it might be an option to try.
It also has more pre photograph options and modes such as burst and timelapse modes and more ways to control how the picture is taken such as metering controls.
Its not free but there may be a trial version. I bought it when android market had a sale offer on its top apps but its worth even normal full price.
Dave
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Actually, I like the idea of RAW image format for Android camera. Is it possible?
There are a handful of great camera apps, some free, some not. I like to use Nemus camera, Camera effects ,and Fast burst, these are all free apps. The first two have some cool effect on them and the last app lets you take 30 shots per second.There is one called Camera Zoom FX that is 2 or 3 bucks. I haven't used it but I have read good things about it. Hope that helps.
If you are talking about app that takes no time and provide good quality selfie or pic. I recommend Camera 365 Beauty app...
Some of my reading implies that there are third party camera apps that provide higher quality images than the Mororola app. I have played around with FX Camera Zoom and it seems to be OK. In this forum's august opinion, what is the best camera app for the highest quality images ?
The second question is: can the camera shutter button default be changed to default to another app?
I only use FxCamera and I love it. The only good/bad is manual upload to FB or Google, but I'm cool with that. The real reason I switched is the timer as I did not have many pictures of myself!
As for your second question, no clue! sorry!
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Some of my reading implies that there are third party camera apps that provide higher quality images than the Mororola app. I have played around with FX Camera Zoom and it seems to be OK. In this forum's august opinion, what is the best camera app for the highest quality images ?
The second question is: can the camera shutter button default be changed to default to another app?
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I like procapture. To get the full 8mp youll need the paid version though. And no, the camera button mapping is built into the kernel itself. A third party app wont change it.
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Camera Zoom FX I find the images and the options to be far superior to the stock app.
I use Camera Zoom FX and I use more Camera 360 Ultimate.
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I use Camera Zoom FX and I use more Camera 360 Ultimate.
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Camera 360 does have nice hdr options
Try Vignette as a camera app.
Try Autodesk's Pixlr o matic or Instagram for post processing.
Hello, i was wandering, how come noone has developed an app or a tweak for the camera that will give us full control of the settings (shutter etc - i know aperture is a hardware thing).
I mean to give us the ability to choose for example shutter times for up to 30" or even more, since this is a software related issue. The main purpose of something like that is for nightsky portraits, that would give pretty good results, because of the camera's low f ratio and focal length
try Camera FV-5 in the play market
actually, that's a kick-a$$ app! just tried it, and works like a charm, even though, due to hardware limitations, long exposure is limited to 640x480
As the title suggests, I'm curious as to a way to increase the DPI for the camera app to increase the quality of photos taken (when zooming in on a crop of a photo). I remember from my Note 3 that there used to be a way to change the quality of the photo (best, better, etc.) which was a way of changing the DPI for the photo taken.
Even if there's a way to do it with root (say by modifying the build.prop file), any advice would be great!
As an alternative, is there a camera app that allows for you to change the DPI and fully utlize the camera hardware? I used to use Camera Zoom FX (Premium) but it didn't play nicely with some of the phones (namely Motorola) that I have used that app on.
Thanks for the tips, help, guideance, etc.!
Not sure what you mean, you can set up to 20mp in the settings. Thats even more than the rgb sensor is capable of. I guess this upscales the rgb sensors color info to the 20mp picture the monochrome sensor is taking. I cant think of anything that Would utilize the hardware more
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As the title suggests, I'm curious as to a way to increase the DPI for the camera app to increase the quality of photos taken (when zooming in on a crop of a photo). I remember from my Note 3 that there used to be a way to change the quality of the photo (best, better, etc.) which was a way of changing the DPI for the photo taken.
Even if there's a way to do it with root (say by modifying the build.prop file), any advice would be great!
As an alternative, is there a camera app that allows for you to change the DPI and fully utlize the camera hardware? I used to use Camera Zoom FX (Premium) but it didn't play nicely with some of the phones (namely Motorola) that I have used that app on.
Thanks for the tips, help, guideance, etc.!
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highest quality you can do is raw in pro mode. you can later decide in what quality you compress it to jpeg
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Not sure what you mean, you can set up to 20mp in the settings. Thats even more than the rgb sensor is capable of. I guess this upscales the rgb sensors color info to the 20mp picture the monochrome sensor is taking. I cant think of anything that Would utilize the hardware more
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I saw the 20MP option but that's not what I'm referring to Some camera apps or phone makers allow for you to change the quality of the picture taken in the form of changing the DPI. The higher the number, the higher the quality of the picture when looking at a 100% crop of a photo (but also the file size tends to be larger too). I know it's not common, but it is there for some camera/OEMs.
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I saw the 20MP option but that's not what I'm referring to Some camera apps or phone makers allow for you to change the quality of the picture taken in the form of changing the DPI. The higher the number, the higher the quality of the picture when looking at a 100% crop of a photo (but also the file size tends to be larger too). I know it's not common, but it is there for some camera/OEMs.
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I dont quite understand what that means though from a technical viewpoint. I am not an expert but i roughly know how cameras work and what parts they are made of (keywords: sensor/pixel size, sensor resolution, bayer matrix, etc.). I never came across something called DPI. I also do not know what should be happening when increasing this DPI.
Maybe you can enlighten me. Although this does not seem to be a feature for the Mate 10 i am very much interested in learning about cameras, especially in mobile devices.
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I dont quite understand what that means though from a technical viewpoint. I am not an expert but i roughly know how cameras work and what parts they are made of (keywords: sensor/pixel size, sensor resolution, bayer matrix, etc.). I never came across something called DPI. I also do not know what should be happening when increasing this DPI.
Maybe you can enlighten me. Although this does not seem to be a feature for the Mate 10 i am very much interested in learning about cameras, especially in mobile devices.
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I had to research this a bit myself so that I could properly convey what I was originally asking for
This article from Snap Shop eCommerce helped quite a bit:
A Simple Introduction to DPI
(apparently, it's only useful if I intend on printing any of the photos taken from the camera itself)
I had a note 2 and a note 4 until just recently. I know the setting your talking about. Its got nothing to do with DPI - its more a compression setting/sharpening setting affects how big the filesize is from your camera as it affects how much each photo is compressed (was listed as "quality" modes? from memory)
Yep that's my understanding too - it's basically like 'fine' or 'superfine' settings on point n shoot cameras - dictates how much the JPG file is compressed. FWIW my Note 4 on Marshmallow seems to have dropped the setting, along with most other phones in the last few years. You just get the default compression for photos and bitrate for videos. As @madman_cro noted, you can make sure you're getting 100% of what the sensor is capable of by shooting RAW and doing the JPG processing yourself. Gotta love it when they remove settings so as not to confuse the average user....
I got a note 4 infront of me and went looking for the setting as well and couldnt find it either your right it must of got lost in a update hahahhaha (my boy has my note2 somewhere) but yeah its exactly what your saying with the fine/superfine etc more a compression setting than anything else
iv had lot's of phones(with custom and stock rom) and while I've never seen dpi settings it may have benefit for printing. as from what iv read now that you got me interested 72 is apparently enough for our screens and our phone delivers 92 so we are ok. il try to convert raw to higher dpi later and try it in phone while zoomed in but i doubt il see the difference cause its basicly the same image
Usual DPI is 72 at jpg photo at real cameras, if you shot in RAW usual DPI is 300, i think at mirrorless is even less.
better/higher DPI is because of post processing , higher dpi more details. Just simple, if you want better phots shot in RAW .
RAW or not makes no difference - the dpi stays the same,.
The DPI of a printed photo can be affected by the resolution the photo was taken at and the size of the printout (think about it...dots per inch.....or pixels per inch on photos really...DPI is more a printer thing. RAW has nothing to do with the amount of pixels/resolution - and therefore doesnt affect DPI whatsoever as its still exactly the same amount of pixels+ resolution involved whether its in RAW format or not...... All RAW means is that the photo was outputted without any editing by the camera first - its a unmolested original image with no processing which allows for a human to do all the editing later and perhaps a better job of it)
Take a 1 megapixel photo and print that photo on A4 paper, now take a 20megapixel photo and print it on a4 paper. The higher resolution image is going to have a higher DPI on the printout than the lower resolution image does, and would be noticeable as chances are the 1megapixel had such a low dpi at the printout size the image was stretched to fit. Take a 20megapixel RAW image, and a 20megapixel normal image - DPI is exactly with both as it has nothing to do with RAW.
What it all comes down to....Stay on the highest setting you can for resolution, and you have the best chance of getting a good printout later on and being compatible with bigger printouts while still keeping clarity (higher resolution photos can be printed larger without loss of quality)
I wouldnt try and make a poster from a 2 megapixel photo for instance - as it just doesnt have enough resolution to keep a good DPI **when the image is printed** The earlier question by the OP has been answered - it wasnt a DPI setting on her note at all its a compression setting (eg fine/superfine) nothing to do with DPI and has no effect on it either.
Thats kinda it in a nutshell and dumbed down a bit to explain it easier (Im gunna get nit picked to death on technicalities of terms perhaps but im trying to keep it simple)
Hi!
I am planing on buying this phone (currently have a S5 that's beginning to show it's age) and would really like to know if poco has a working (and tested) RAW photo support. This is something I actually miss the most with my S5 camera. Can someone with a GCam please check and ideally upload a low light high ISO DNG sample photo?
If anyone is wondering what's the use of RAW, with all the hassle (beware, technical details ahead, possibly even a bit of math!):
Access to the RAW sensor data is extremely powerful. When doing a night time photography you can get significantly better results by manually lowering the ISO and bumping the exposure but in truly low light that's not enough. You then take dozens of 30s exposures and add them together. The problem is that if you are working with JPEGs, it doesn't really work for extremely low signals. If there is a light source in your image that even after 30s exposure does not expose a pixel enough to bump the value from 0 to 1, with the added noise reduction it gets rounded to 0 every time, so adding zeroes gets you nowhere. On the other hand, if there is a significant noise in your sensor, that's actually in this case extremely helpful. By adding the photos that have a very low signal (below a normal detection threshold) but also a significant noise, you can remove the noise and still get the signal that has 'piggybacked' on the noise above the pixel threshold. Doing this, if you have the patience, basically makes your photos limited only by the 12MP sensor resolution and the lens quality. The quality of the sensor, it's dynamic range and noise level becomes completely irrelevant and you can basically simulate an 'ideal' sensor with arbitrarily large dynamic range and sensitivity and arbitrarily low noise. You should, for example, be able to do astrophotography and photograph objects that are too dim to be visible with a naked eye, beyond what even dSLRs can manage without these kinds of tricks.
With the very fast CPU and plentiful RAM you could even possibly automate this tedious process on the phone itself (for example by the use of CLI linux raw photo manipulation tools installed through termux or linuxdeploy) so it could be as simple as putting a phone on a tripod (or a sky tracking mount), starting a simple script and waiting for half an hour while the phone takes and processes the photos.
With access to the still linear RAW pixel data, you can even use the camera as a 'scientific' sensor in, for example, a cheap portable spectroscope. The possibilities are endless
Yes, I am well aware that I am weird
yup you can. also you can install 3rd party app and camera2 api is enabled by default no need to root and bootloader unlock for that.
Secondly camera is super awesome.
i can you lead to telegram group where people share their photoshots done on poco f1. you will get the idea
The gcam is one option for you to capture raw images but it does not support manual mode so you cannot get those long exposure raw images to talked about. What you can do is get a camera app that supports both raw images capturing and manual mode like proshot or manual camera
Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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well manual mode is supported by default camera, but it doesn't have any option for RAW output.
my best pick will be open camera application.
what you recommend for both raw and manual mode
I've shot some raw photos using latest GCAM. However I don't know any apps for RAW files editing in phone. And I Didn't get time to check their quality on Photoshop. RAW files size is around 15Mb. I can send you those photos if you want to check.
That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
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That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
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I love astronomy and I am very interested in an app that would let us get raw format images and also have the manual mode. Did anyone know any app that can let us do that?
Thanks in advance
Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
just create a folder named gcam in this another named configs
in the configs folder place all the gcam configs xml files
to apply these double tap the black space near the shutter white button to load the configs
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
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Go in the mods section of Poco f1 on xda and you'll find a thread started by sannity. Download his gcam.