For those who are lucky enough to try out HC on their Flyers, I have a few questions about the pen functionality that I can't seem to find anywhere.
I know you can use the pen to touch apps and scroll and such, but how is the functionality of the pen when used in the apps?
To be more clear, you know how the pen takes screen shots of anything you touch when you want to annotate anything (in an app that's not compatible with the pen)? How does that change in HC? In a YouTube video I only noticed that it acts as your finger when you use the pen.
I use the Flyer a lot in school and it gets frustrating to have to take snapshots of every single power point that I want to highlight or annotate. (Mostly because some powerpoints I don't annotate and aren't included in the folder of those that are annotated) Does HC allow for more functionality with the pen with other files/apps such as PPT files? The functionality of the pen with Polaris Office and PDF Reader just isn't enough to be efficient to be used in an educational setting IMO.
Thanks.
Pen in HC works exactly like how your finger works, except with the pen-enabled apps. Those still works the same way as in GB. To use the screen shot scribble mode, there is an extra option in the pen menu when you click the pen hardware button.
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The same functionality it just can be used as a capacitive stylus now versus in gb you could only use it in certain apps. Now you can virtually swipe and touch any screen and menu. I have two office applications I'm going to see if the stylus works in either and get back to you
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Is there any way to detach the Flyer's notes app from Evernote? The pen & keyboard keep getting in each other's way when I open a new note in Evernote when I just want to scribble something with the pen.
I always thought Evernote was just the back end syncing... Not sure how that would remedy your problem with the keyboard. Depending on how you write or hold the Flyer, try to keep a finger from the non-pen hand touching the margin of the note... It should reduce keyboard from popping up.
Hello all,
I am looking into getting an HTC Flyer, but strangely I find it a little hard to get precise information as to what I find its most original feature : its stylus.
The thing is, years later, I am still using my good old HTC Blackstone/Touch HD1, its winmo os and its resistive (!) screen.
The reason is, I find using a true, really accurate stylus, as opposed to finger control, is far more comfortable in many cases and, most importantly, brings many functionalities.
I was wondering if you could help me figure if I will get this from the Flyer.
Questions :
1) Is that correct ?
- as an hardware, the stylus/digitizer is very accurate. (I am thinking approx. 0.5mm large selections like the blackstone).
- no handwriting recognition exists at present for the Flyer nor has been announced.
- there is no advanced drawing app for Android that would make real use of such a pen
2) May I :
- disable capacitive sensor when writing or drawing with the pen, so that my hand won't interfere
- make use of really accurate selection, such as :
clicking small items (ex : one small button or link while other are close) on a more or less zoomed out webpage
While editing text, select specific word parts or insert the cursor precisely
- use a Palm OS emu and get its stylus-based features like handwritten letter recognition ?
Thanks for any help/comment on these
fgandcher said:
1) Is that correct ?
- as an hardware, the stylus/digitizer is very accurate. (I am thinking approx. 0.5mm large selections like the blackstone).
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It is quite accurate in that where you press the stylus is where the mark appears. Pressure sensitivity is also very good. It's far better than a normal capacitive stylus.
- no handwriting recognition exists at present for the Flyer nor has been announced.
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Correct. FWIW, Lenovo has handwriting recognition.
- there is no advanced drawing app for Android that would make real use of such a pen
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There is a note-taking app where you can draw to your heart's content, but I wouldn't describe it as "advanced".
2) May I :
- disable capacitive sensor when writing or drawing with the pen, so that my hand won't interfere
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Then the stylus is near the screen, capacitive sensing is automatically disabled, but it's not perfect. Especially when the stylus has a low battery, you will still accidentally get a touch input here and there.
- make use of really accurate selection, such as :
clicking small items (ex : one small button or link while other are close) on a more or less zoomed out webpage
While editing text, select specific word parts or insert the cursor precisely
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In Gingerbread (which currently ships), whenever you try to use the stylus in a non-stylus app (gmail, browser, etc), it just takes a screenshot and lets you draw on that. However in the Honeycomb leak, the stylus will act like a very small finger in apps that don't have specific support for it.
In general, I'd say no, with the caveat that it might work in Honeycomb. However in an app like Notes, I think it'll still just add a drawing, not select text.
- use a Palm OS emu and get its stylus-based features like handwritten letter recognition ?
Thanks for any help/comment on these
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That might be possible in Honeycomb where the stylus can work like regular touch input if you use a third-party graffiti-style input method. (There are some on Android Market) In Gingerbread, I don't believe that would be possible.
So I was looking for an app with palm rejection for the Transformer Prime. I was kind of looking for something similar to Notetaker HD for the iPad which uses the bezel of the tablet as the palm rejection area.
I couldn't find anything similar on the Android market so I decided to give another try on Supernotes. What I ended up doing was putting a regular computer mouse pad on top of the tablet and using the "Guided Line" feature to make sure that I was on the right spot. So far so good, this is in fact the best solution that I found and works way better than any other app!
However I'm having problems reading my own notes. I can't seem to find a simple Zoom feature on Supernotes, so could someone tell me how to zoom in? If it is not possible, are there other apps that have a similar "guided-line" feature and its as organized as Supernotes.
Thanks a lot!
I am not aware of a way to zoom in SuperNotes either. That has been my biggest problem with it.
Here are some handwriting apps that I have tried on the Transformer Prime that have zoom features that you may want to check out:
LectureNotes: my favorite (so far). Has scroll bars and zoom feature so you can write in the zoomed mode. Has option to enable a "save zone" for palm detection. 3 standard pens, and 12 custom pens that you can configure the size, color, and opacity. Can add multiple layers (overlays) to each page. Can enter text via keyboard. Can add keywords to each page, and search across notebooks for those keywords. Developer is very responsive, and has implemented suggestions and fixes quickly. There is a free trial version (limited # of notebooks and pages), and a paid version.
Writepad Stylus: Very good palm detection. Has zoom mode (can write in zoom mode), and scrolling. 3 standard pens, and 4 custom pens. 4 paper types, but cannot change the pattern size. Can enter text via keyboard, but it's a bit quirky.
Antipaper Notes: No palm detection. Has zoom mode, (can write in zoom mode), and scrolling. 6 pen sizes in 3 colors (15 colors in Pro version). 4 paper patterns, but cannot change the pattern size. No text entry for keyboard. Free and Pro version.
Hope this helps...
Yeah note taking apps on android are really behind ios right now but it seems like things are picking up. Hopefully in few months we will see something comparable to Notability.
Try wearing a glove or long sleeve. Better than carrying around a mouse pad.
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So I was looking for an app with palm rejection for the Transformer Prime. I was kind of looking for something similar to Notetaker HD for the iPad which uses the bezel of the tablet as the palm rejection area.
I couldn't find anything similar on the Android market so I decided to give another try on Supernotes. What I ended up doing was putting a regular computer mouse pad on top of the tablet and using the "Guided Line" feature to make sure that I was on the right spot. So far so good, this is in fact the best solution that I found and works way better than any other app!
However I'm having problems reading my own notes. I can't seem to find a simple Zoom feature on Supernotes, so could someone tell me how to zoom in? If it is not possible, are there other apps that have a similar "guided-line" feature and its as organized as Supernotes.
Thanks a lot!
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Have you tried to enable palm rejection using TouchScreenTune app from the market? It should allow palm rejection support everywhere in all apps.
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Have you tried to enable palm rejection using TouchScreenTune app from the market? It should allow palm rejection support everywhere in all apps.
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I think that TouchScreenTune requires your device to be Rooted, correct? I've been holding off rooting my Prime, but this may be a good reason to do so.
I really don't like Honeycomb. For me it is just laggy and unresponsive compared to Gingerbread.
However, I use programs like EZ PDF Reader and the pen won't work with it in GB. If try to use the pen it just tales a screen cap when I touch the screen instead of writing.
Any way to use the Scribe in anything other than the Notepad in GB?
Oops, apparently you can just turn off this behavior in Settings.
If you want to get full use out of the pen you need Honeycomb.
TL;DR: No function keys (F2, F3, etc.) makes this keyboard less useful for work (using Epic, Excel, etc.). However, this is the best case/keyboard solution around, which is why I would still recommend it as long as you know the limitations.
So this tablet and keyboard combination is ostensibly supposed to be a laptop replacement, but the keyboard lacks the function keys that would allow it to do that. While the keyboard itself is well-built, holding the tablet well, and the keys actually feel good to type on (despite being not full-sized), not having the function keys (F2, F3, F4) makes it so that working in Epic or Excel is impossible. Samsung customer service confirmed that there is no way to access those keys from the keyboard.
In Epic, you can customize hot keys onscreen to simulate key presses, to include the function buttons, so I just do that and it isn't too bad, since poking the screen at the F2 is about where the actual key would have been...still way worse that if they had included some function keys. No easy solution in Excel that I couldl come up with. You can pull up other virtual keyboards with the buttons, but that gets in the way of workflow.
I'm typing this review on the keyboard right now and touch typing works decently, with the exception being the top row is so condensed that I will mistype the symbols above (need too shift my finger reach a litte to the left for each one).
There ARE keyboard shortcuts! Many are actually context specific (Home screen vs Samsung internet, etc). Hit the Magnifying Glass + / and you'll get a nice list of what you can do. Ironically, some of them refer to using the F4 and other keys that don't exist on the keyboard...
I do use this on my lap quite a bit, but I really wish it had one additional position to lay more flat like my TabPro S.
I thought that I would hate the S Pen holder, but it actually works really well and isn't as annoying as I thought it would be. It is important to push the S Pen into the holder until it clicks.
I set mine up to not launch DeX on docking, as it tends to be less useful for my multitasking since my main work app (Epic) is not optimized for DeX. Detaching from the keyboard automatically sleeps my tablet, not sure how to change that setting.
I do use it folded back pretty often, and the keys on the reverse side don't bug me too much, but that's likely to be a pretty personal preference.
I've tried some keyboards from Amazon that includes a touchpad, but I can't use it on my lap Folding Keyboard I do really like it though for desktop use! It has function keys
Cons:
- Lacks function keys
- No backlight
- Only one position on the stand
- touch typing the number row is hit or miss
- No touchpad/pointer control
- heavy/bulky
Pros:
- Build quality
- Compact size
- Customize tablet attach/detach actions (mine does not activate Dex)
- S Pen holder is actually pretty good
Hope this helps!