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I have a Samsung Galaxy Ace, and am seriously considering rooting it.
I've done a fair bit of research on it, and have found a few very detailed tutorials on going through the process.
I'm just wondering how common it is, it seems most people on Android forums have rooted their devices, and I haven't really come across anyone who has managed to stuff it up.
So, pros and cons?
why you should root it:
1. you can pretty much customize every part of your phone (software-wise obviously). while rooting does not do the actual customization, it opens you up to a variety of options (when rooted, you can flash roms and kernels that can significantly increase performance and/or battery life; not to mention all of the themes that you can apply, a good place to start would be here)
2. because you can (this may sound stupid but i believe this is true; i think android phones are meant to be rooted )
why you shouldn't root it:
1. you will lose the warranty that came with your phone
2. you can mess up your phone if you do not know what you are doing (when i say this, i am talking about messing with system files, not following the directions when you apply a modification; of course, this would not be a problem as long as you pay close attention to what you are doing)
in my opinion, i think you should
sweetnsour said:
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because you can (this may sound stupid but i believe this is true; i think android phones are meant to be rooted )
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I agree, that's why I'm looking at doing it, I guess I just want to here from a few users first hand on their experiences with it before I go through with it...
root, root
I would recomend that you root your device. I did my first root to the phone I am using now and I am glad I did, I am able to remove a lot of the carrier bloatware that slows the phone down. Now it runs faster. As the other post said you void your warrenty when you root and if you do not follow instructions you can brick your phone. Anyhow take the plunge and root it you will be glad you did.
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I have a Samsung Galaxy Ace, and am seriously considering rooting it.
I've done a fair bit of research on it, and have found a few very detailed tutorials on going through the process.
I'm just wondering how common it is, it seems most people on Android forums have rooted their devices, and I haven't really come across anyone who has managed to stuff it up.
So, pros and cons?
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Without root is boring
With root is always somekind action
But of course is last desicion yours!!!
Regards!
Taavi
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todd_10 said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy Ace, and am seriously considering rooting it.
I've done a fair bit of research on it, and have found a few very detailed tutorials on going through the process.
I'm just wondering how common it is, it seems most people on Android forums have rooted their devices, and I haven't really come across anyone who has managed to stuff it up.
So, pros and cons?
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I know the feeling man, just upgraded to an android galaxy mini from my htc gene, that tough little bastard served me well for two years before it succumbed. Was thinking of rooting but you know how it is with new phone jitters, am not ready to start cutting into its software setup just yet. I'll take my time getting used to this platform before rooting. My reasons for rooting would mainly be to upgrade to gingerbread and delete the stock apps that came with the phone that I barely use like opera 5 -since I use opera 6- and also to be able to overclock the cpu to around 800mhz. Does anyone here think this could improve mkv playback for 480p videos? I can't figure out why mkv videos are such a pain to deal with. What is it about the container that makes it quite a challenge to android
any way to delete stock apps i don't use at all without the root? i own an xperia ray but there is nothing happening for this phone considering rooting.
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any way to delete stock apps i don't use at all without the root? i own an xperia ray but there is nothing happening for this phone considering rooting.
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Problably NO!
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Should I root Nexus S?
porcupineli said:
Should I root Nexus S?
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Its your free opinion
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its up to you
porcupineli said:
Should I root Nexus S?
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1 UNLOCK many features of the phone - root
2 is the warranity over ? - root
3 want a new rom? - root
4 want to feel like having a new phone ? - root
5 nothing from the above ? - no root
vinylakos said:
1 UNLOCK many features of the phone - root
2 is the warranity over ? - root
3 want a new rom? - root
4 want to feel like having a new phone ? - root
5 nothing from the above ? - no root
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Hehe. Love this. It's like taking a symptom survey provided by some pharmaceutical company. Pretty comprehensive and straightforward checklist, I'd say.
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I was in your place but after rooting my htc desire i just cant stop having fun with it
Seems everyone tends to lean towards rooting, I think I might spend a couple more weeks getting familiar with my phone, then go through with it
I have just bought my first android phone a week ago and I'm wondering if I should root or not. Based on everyone's thoughts I really think rooting is the best option specialy because my courrier modded the phones rom with a lot of bulls**t that I can't delete
But first I got some questions to ask:
1. If I install another rom on my phone will it remain rooted? Ex. After installing CM7 the phone will remain rooted? Also if I decide to go back to factory rom will it still remain rooted?
2. Is there any way to "unroot" it? In case I need to contact the warranty I could "unroot" and send it back?
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I have just bought my first android phone a week ago and I'm wondering if I should root or not. Based on everyone's thoughts I really think rooting is the best option specialy because my courrier modded the phones rom with a lot of bulls**t that I can't delete
But first I got some questions to ask:
1. If I install another rom on my phone will it remain rooted? Ex. After installing CM7 the phone will remain rooted? Also if I decide to go back to factory rom will it still remain rooted?
2. Is there any way to "unroot" it? In case I need to contact the warranty I could "unroot" and send it back?
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1. Yes, yes, and yes.
2. Yes, but that procedure is more complicated. I'll defer the technical explanation to someone less noobish than I am.
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So, does anyone here know a good place to have a look at some of the better roms available?
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So, does anyone here know a good place to have a look at some of the better roms available?
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You kinda just have to look around, because everyone likes something different...plus you have to keep in mind that ROMs are specific to the phone. If you like a plain vanilla Android experience, Cyanogenmod (currently #7) is extremely popular. It's a little too bare-bones for my taste, but many people love it. If you have an HTC phone, like I do, and you like HTC Sense but hate how bloated it is, there are tons of custom roms out there based on Sense. Just be careful, again, that you download a ROM for your phone model. I have an HTC Sensation, and I use LeeDroid's Sensational ROM. Some others to check out might be InsertCoin and Revolution HD, but there are tons out there.
Happy flashing! Let us know what you end up trying and how you like it.
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ROOT. You will go through the process and if you read and follow every step correctly, you will ask yourself "thats it?" it really is the best thing you can do for your phone. If you want more battery life-- root. If you want simplicity-- root. If you want the latest version of Android (which really makes a difference in overall user experience)--root. Hell, if you want to have something that looks like an iPhone--root.
Go for it. Make sure to read and if you are comfortable with it do it and you will be glad you did.
Hello everyone I am new to Android world as of today. I've been on iPhone for the past 2 years and honestly apple has nothing compared to Android. My galaxy note is like a handheld computer... like holy s**t I'm so overwhelmed right now. But as a noobie I do have a couple questions...
Is it worth rooting and flashing a custom ics ROM (what's the best ics ROM to date) when my service provider Telus is releasing ics by early July?
Also, is it possible for me to download the official ics via ota with a rooted phone? If so how do I do that. I've read threads that sometimes rooting disables ota download.
Thanks for looking and I apologize for being a dumba**.
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Are you new to android? Then experience your android phone as it is without rooting just yet. As you experience your phone and read some threads you will get to know if rooting is for you or not. This also will allow you to see if your phone may have issues.
If you want the OTA Telus ICS then I suggest you don't root. I don't believe you would receive the OTA unless you were stock unrooted. So my suggestion would be to hang in there for a little time.
Welcome, and congratulations on seeing the light!
The ICS roms we have are awesome so far, with only a couple random bugs that don't keep them from being daily drivers. I definitely recommend rooting and romming if you take the time to read up on everything you can about it. It's a very simple process if you take your time, and definitely worth learning.
Also, if you feel like doing the official update get familiar with how to go back to stock. When you go back to stock, it renews your warranty and also your ability to receive official firmware updates.
Personally, I think that custom roms are better than official, and once your official is released, you will be able to get a rooted version on here within a day out two at most usually. The only time my Samsung phones have ever had stock software is the first and only the first day I have them, and also if I need to do a warranty exchange
Edit: not seeing a stock package for Telus, stop I would hold on for a bit or try to work with a developer to get them what they need to set up a stock Odin package for Telus users.
Second edit: actually it looks like there is a stock package for you. I can help more with some links later, but can't right now
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Welcome to the best phone world you can imagine and you made a wise choice to pick up the big boss aka the G note...youll love it stock or rooted and with customs roms on it....this community is the best and has some great devs also any rom you choose your gonna love their rom believe me....Ive been to here and went to the htc one x and to the international note and now im back to stay....those other phones couldnt compare to this one...the international note is brick heaven and the htc one x is just too damn small when your coming from a note lol....but if you love having your phone tweaked out like me then yes root and rom it out lol...but if all that doesnt matter than you can stay stock and still love the phone just as much....but once again wise choice on the phone and glad to have you here....
Please make yourself familiar with the phone first like everybody else suggested. I have gone through few android phones and I still have so much to learn especially when it comes to rooting and loading roms. With samsung, there's a flash counter if you care about warranty and what not even though there are ways to go around it. I have rooted mine but staying on the stock rom and waiting for the official ICS rom. GB rom is perfectly working fine for my needs.
Please read and read over and over everything before you go ahead and mess around with the rom.
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Please make yourself familiar with the phone first like everybody else suggested. I have gone through few android phones and I still have so much to learn especially when it comes to rooting and loading roms. With samsung, there's a flash counter if you care about warranty and what not even though there are ways to go around it. I have rooted mine but staying on the stock rom and waiting for the official ICS rom. GB rom is perfectly working fine for my needs.
Please read and read over and over everything before you go ahead and mess around with the rom.
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There is a flash counter reset, so that's basically a null point. Plus, many people have had no problem returning or exchanging with it tripped.
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Yes. I know there is. That's why I said there are ways to go around. I have rooted mine with the one roloracer posted and can use CWM to flash all different roms without even tripping the flash counter to begin with. One less step of needing to reset the counter.
I just want OP to be aware of it.
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Yes. I know there is. That's why I said there are ways to go around. I have rooted mine with the one roloracer posted and can use CWM to flash all different roms without even tripping the flash counter to begin with. One less step of needing to reset the counter.
I just want OP to be aware of it.
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Ah, I forgot flashing from cwm doesn't up the counter. Good point.
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Wow you guys have been really helpful thank you very much
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No problem. Here's a good guide for you to read. Just read everything you can before doing anything and you'll soon be unleashing the beast they call the galaxy note.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586223
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Welcome Android! The Note is my first Android phone. I also came from iPhone and don't regret the move at all. Note is the best overall phone experience I've had.
This is sort of on topic, is there a comparison thread of the different roms and what they have to offer vs. others? That kind of thread might be really helpful for new and seasoned pros.
cmunho said:
Welcome Android! The Note is my first Android phone. I also came from iPhone and don't regret the move at all. Note is the best overall phone experience I've had.
This is sort of on topic, is there a comparison thread of the different roms and what they have to offer vs. others? That kind of thread might be really helpful for new and seasoned pros.
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pretty much the only diff in roms are
CM9 & AOKP have all the bell & whistles ...such as tweaks and etc...
the others are stock based with addition add ons...either way you gonna love it...we have awesome devs in this community...as youll soon see....and glad to have you in the note community...
CM9 is Android at it's best.
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CM9 is Android at it's best.
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I agree coffin but that im leaning toward aokp...love it lol....but both are amazing...
alewis2k12 said:
pretty much the only diff in roms are
CM9 & AOKP have all the bell & whistles ...such as tweaks and etc...
the others are stock based with addition add ons...either way you gonna love it...we have awesome devs in this community...as youll soon see....and glad to have you in the note community...
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just know that you will lose a lot of the S-pen and all Touchwiz capabilities if/when you go with any version of cm9, aokp, or aosp.
I'd stock with GB for a few weeks so you can get used to the menu interfaces and lingo surrounding Android. After that, game on!
Welcome to Android, friend.
Normally, when I first buy a phone, I like to play around with it stock for a few months before flashing the radio or switching roms etc. Just to get familiar with the phone. Since you're new to the whole Android platform, you should definitely get used to it first since there are endless possibilities you can play around with even with a stock rom.
An official ICS 4.0.3 has already been confirmed for release, why not wait for it? An official update will always be 100% safer and run a lot smoother.
This is what I recommend and I am going to be patiently waiting for the ICS 4.0 to officially be released. It's just a matter of time.
How many times have we seen a user new to android/note that root, flash, and ATTEMPT to reset the flash counter only to come to this board crying that their phone is bricked? (one or two a month?)
As others said, if you root/flash, when Ice Cream Sandwich becomes available from your carrier, you will not get it.
If you do root/flash, DON'T worry about the flash counter because if something goes wrong with reseting the flash counter, you might have a brick but most likely several hours of panic/frustration trying to get your phone working.
Jim Dead said:
How many times have we seen a user new to android/note that root, flash, and ATTEMPT to reset the flash counter only to come to this board crying that their phone is bricked? (one or two a month?)
As others said, if you root/flash, when Ice Cream Sandwich becomes available from your carrier, you will not get it.
If you do root/flash, DON'T worry about the flash counter because if something goes wrong with reseting the flash counter, you might have a brick but most likely several hours of panic/frustration trying to get your phone working.
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Its more so a new user to xda thing as I see it. Yes, its partially a new to android thing, but if they learned how to search and read and learn everything they can, all of the info is out there to safely do anything. I had one brick way back when with my captivate, and from that point on I made sure to read as much as possible before doing anything. New users think they will just have everything handed to them and it will work perfectly, which is where they run into problems because they don't know of all the common problems and mistakes due to taking the fast track instead of actually learning about the processes.
Bottom line is they need to not only search and read, but also absorb and understand the material that is available on this site.
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Its more so a new user to xda thing as I see it. Yes, its partially a new to android thing, but if they learned how to search and read and learn everything they can, all of the info is out there to safely do anything. I had one brick way back when with my captivate, and from that point on I made sure to read as much as possible before doing anything. New users think they will just have everything handed to them and it will work perfectly, which is where they run into problems because they don't know of all the common problems and mistakes due to taking the fast track instead of actually learning about the processes.
Bottom line is they need to not only search and read, but also absorb and understand the material that is available on this site.
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Perfectly said!
The more a user reads and researches the less cluttering threads we have and the more they learn
Which the MAJORITY of people here don't do..
Sad.. truly sad but let them brick their devices as a consequence lol
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My advise would be to wait at least a month, do your research, stay on top of the forums, read all the important threads, etc. When I moved over from iPhone I waited about a month and even though it is soooo much easier to root an Android then jailbreaking an iPhone, its just means its that much more easier to make mistakes. Take your time, don't rush it Welcome to the dark side.
had an Infuse for about a year. loved it and was suprised as to what i was able to learn. i was actually able to trouble shoot some of other peoples issues. most of it was people not following OP correctly. some of them you would think they were scoring with a girl for the first time in high school. they just plug it in and blow their load.
However, day after thankgsiving AT&T had some incredible deals for a refurbed Note. cant beat $31.
I have been learking here for almost a month and reading as i did on the Infuse. trying to gain the confidence i need to take the leap and root.
one thing i am noticing or think i am noticing.....or maybe i dont understand.
stock rooted? you can root phone but not necessarily have CWM ?
Infuse had an all in one package.
from what i am gathering.....when i flash, do i need to flash rom, modem and kernal on 3 different flashes? trying to peice a package that works best? cant say that i notice in descriptions (as with Infuse) ex ; "Joe Blows ROM
UCLB3 modem
super nuclear kernal with OC/UV
i am sure this is in the Super Everything Thread, but sometimes my brain pan does not absorb everything. thats why i read read read and i will read some more. again responses from the more experience give me confidence.
probably my hugest issue is, it seems no matter what rom i look at the main issue is random reboots or phone just shutting down. to me does this almost negate some benefits of rooting?
everybody said the Infuse was unbrickable? for the most part i beleive that, usually somebody not following directions was the problem. regardless, super easy to unbrick and return to stock.
However, when i hear, Do you have a jig? or sending phone out to have fixed, makes me wonder if the Note bricks easier and harder to unbrick. I know that if I try, i can REALLY eff something up.
dont want to do that.
i know every phone is different and every rom works differently on those phones, so i know not to ask which rom is better for me. if i decide to, i will find which rom I like the best.
my Infuse HAS grown up to be a Note and i am happy to climb aboard this forum
To root this phone you flash a kernel to the stock rom. But to do this you have to flash a replacement recovery, and that is done with a pc using Samsung's software named Odin.
i am familiar with Odin. i have used it on many occasions and am comfortable with that. however even in the reading i have done this is the first i have heard of a "replacement recovery".
this sounds as if flashing the new kernal to the stock rom is what will root the phone?
i thought the tar file is what did this.
i will keep reading until i come up 2 threads or suggestions of rooting that sound as if the process is the same.
dont misunderstand, i am not saying that anybody is wrong. i am sure all of these methods work. again, if i want to i can really screw something up. i am sure some of these different methods are some different terminology. mainly i want to feel confident and have my process firmly embedded in my mind and act it out properly.
check this post out if you want a super easy way to get started...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35499256&postcount=4
Its explained very well here. Step by step
http://rootgalaxynote.com/galaxy-no...y-note-sgh-i717-icsgingerbreadeasiest-method/
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The stock recovery doesn't let you flash anything. So you flash the replacement recovery with Odin. You are replacing the stock with either CWR or TWRP.
Then, using the new recovery you flash the rooted kernel, or any rom you like.
As for your Super Everything Thread .. Here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28040353
Also we have a Stupid Question Thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32925977 just in case you have the need.
Welcome to the Note.
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Also we have a Stupid Question Thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32925977 just in case you have the need.
Welcome to the Note.
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i am sure i will be getting plenty of use out of that one.
appreciate your help. both you and the captain explained it very plainly and simply, eliminating any confusion.
thank you both.actually very similar to Infuse.
now i just have to decide whether i would benefit from it.
hmmmmmm
Installing the recovery is worth the trouble. Besides the romantic flashing, you can change modems, install mods, make a backup.
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Installing the recovery is worth the trouble. Besides the romantic flashing, you can change modems, install mods, make a backup.
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yeah, and i have done all that with the Infuse. other then mods, tweaks and themes, what else did i benefit from?
Infuse was on Froyo and had a multitude of ROMS and interfaces to choose from. GB, ICS and JB. i am already ICS and JB is the only step up. actually with the similarities between the two, how much am i really gaining or what am i changing?
im kind of shopping some ROMS and looking for something to catch my eye. i am not seeing too many differences. i do have a bigger screen though and i did like the tablet mode of PA. only that and CM10 were the only ones that had tablet mode there.
im really not in any hurry and there is the rumor of official JB for the Note, but i know how that went with GB for the Infuse. the pushed it out too quick and had many problems. unofficial releases were more reliable and theming was pretty cool.
once again, i appreciate the input there Ranger.
All this, but no where has it been said that you have indeed a i717 Note. This, I think is how most people find themselves with a brick. Being in the wrong device section of the forum. Trivial and redundant as it sounds no one can afford to get this confused.
:screwy:Never mind, see it now, just had to run my big mouth, didn't I ?:banghead:
BLACKSTAR XI -SGH-I717 xda-developers app SAMSUNG done right
Yeaaaah, ooops. Well there's another use for the Spen and a place to store it.
But you are correct, I have witnessed the destruction of at least ten notes and some S2's by being in the wrong forum.
This is dangerous business.
I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
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I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
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I Love Hashcode and that he designed SafeStrap as i have used it on my Droid Bionic prior to getting the S4 (im still on MDK). But I would never say it's superior to unlocking a bootloader in any sense. I can say maybe convenient for quicker swapping of roms but I can't see SS being better then an unlocked Bootloader.
But the rest of you post im totally on board with. Id rather an unlocked Bootloader and be able to get OTA's with the correct kernels then a port where some things won't work since were still on the original or a previous kernel.
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I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
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HD 12 is about as flawless as one would expect for a custom rom. Im happy with it and honestly if there were more options, I doubt I would move away from it. Thats just my opinion though. What do you mean it didnt stick?
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The development community on the S4 took a pretty big hit with the whole boot loader thing. Hopefully hash can figure out Kexec and hopefully we can get more dev support...
But until then safestrap IS here, it does have roms and it works great. Not sure exactly what your looking for?
Can you detail what your doing to advance the community, and how you want us to help you?
scryan said:
The development community on the S4 took a pretty big hit with the whole boot loader thing. Hopefully hash can figure out Kexec and hopefully we can get more dev support...
But until then safestrap IS here, it does have roms and it works great. Not sure exactly what your looking for?
Can you detail what your doing to advance the community, and how you want us to help you?
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What are you talking about? Did you get my post mixed up with the op's?
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Bradh024 said:
What are you talking about? Did you get my post mixed up with the op's?
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Yup. lol sorry just hit the "Reply" button with out noticing its the same as most forums Quote button.... Just meant to reply.
scryan said:
Yup. lol sorry just hit the "Reply" button with out noticing its the same as most forums Quote button.... Just meant to reply.
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Ahh I gotcha. Had me confused for a minute there. lol
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RueTheDayTrebek said:
I rooted my Verizon S4, froze all of the bloatware with ROM Toolbox Pro, and now it's fast as hell. The battery lasts 2 days with moderate use, FoxFi hotspot works, and I don't get any security warnings (froze your ass KNOX). I've installed SafeStrap 3.71, and I've tried installing HypderDrive, but it hasn't been able to stick. The bootloader is totally locked down, so Hashcode's SafeStrap seems to be the only thing keeping any hope alive for something that will work.
I guess the real frustrating thing is that there is no real unity between developers here, and that no one can decide on a route to go with. This leaves a lot of us who just got the S4 with fewer, or no ROM options. Is it time we accepted that a bootloader solution might not be the way to go, and attack it using something like SafeStrap? I've been using SafeStrap on my Droid 4 for a long time, and it is the best alternative, and in many ways, superior to unlocking a bootloader. Sure you get issues regarding space for more than one ROM install, but having your stock ROM intact is an excellent fail safe. There are some other constrictions, but the manpower potential could really bring results to a dual-boot system like SafeStrap.
My deal here is, let's get behind HashCode on this, and maybe he can share his work with the rest of the developer community, and we can all contribute some funds to make something like SafeStrap work, which it most definitely can. Imagine if we could get Cyanogenmod developers working on SafeStrap with HashCode to come up with ROMs that would actually work like they do with an unlocked bootloader. There is a somewhat steep learning curve with SafeStrap, but with resources comes better documentation. People are too quick to jump on a 1-click rooting method, and leave the rest of us behind. If SafeStrap got enough attention, maybe it could someday be a one-click solution that no one at Samsung, Motorola, or HTC could ever lock down.
Let me know what you think.
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what makes you think there is no unity or communication between devs on this issue? The fact of the matter is, the security lockdown is pretty steep and in the end, no work around can be possible.
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what makes you think there is no unity or communication between devs on this issue? The fact of the matter is, the security lockdown is pretty steep and in the end, no work around can be possible.
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That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
RueTheDayTrebek said:
That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
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Put it this way:
I'm with you 100%... WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?
Because right now, your basically saying "DEVELOP MORE STUFF FOR ME SO I DON'T HAVE TO, LOLZ".
You just saying we should do things better is not a plan, what are you actually doing here to move this thing forwards?
BTW:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578566
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500826
Its not just like "BOOM! Here is Kexec!"
Its not like the people you are suggesting should put together a software package for you phone for free are not working on it... Its just hard.
RueTheDayTrebek said:
That's my point about the bootloader, that in time, every carrier is going to put their phones on lockdown. It just makes sense to move to a newer concept than trying to unlock the bootloader. Is hijacking the boot order, what SafeStrap does, the right way to go? What about overwriting the kernel and bypassing the bootloader altogether? I remember Hashcode was working with kexec, and for those of you who were there a couple of years ago when SafeStrap was first there for the Motorla RZR, D4, and Bionic, might remember this. It executes a live kernel overwrite, before the bootloader can even come up to verify the signed stock rom/firmware/bootloader.
I've read a couple of people mentioning this, but I'm not sure if its feasible. My point, SafeStrap and KEXEC are two options that need some blockbuster support. Hashcode is the Zeus of Mt. SafeStrape, but where is the God of War and the rest of the bunch to kick ass? Can we pick a direction?
Maybe I'm going about this the wrong way, maybe my message isn't the one that needs to be heard? I haven't posted much over the last couple of years, but I've done a lot of reading over the last few weeks, and I'm just curious if there is a Bat Signal they can use to summon the Justice League and put their collective boots up the ass of Lex Luthor (Verizon and co.)?
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Dude. There are people working on this, believe me. And people who arent developers or cant contribute directly have posted a bounty to reward whoever can get a workaround. Safestrap does work, regardless of whether you are able to get it to work on your device. I'm guessing its user error. Not really sure what more you expect the community or Hashcode or any other dev to do that they arent already doing...
Hey, I am about to upgrade and I will likely hold out for the new Motorola phone, but if it is a disappointment then the G3 is a very interesting option.
Curious what to look for as far as custom ROMs are concerned. I am addicted to running custom ROMs however I have had a Nexus phone lately so the whole unlocking/rooting/hackability has never been an issue. I see the the G3 has root, but I presume something else must be done before a custom recovery can be installed...thus no custom ROMs.
I love the G3s hardware, but I will never love OEM software. I want stock Android and I am hoping that will be possible with the Moto X+1 and/or the G3.
Thanks guys and gals
I'm pretty sure once someone can find an exploit to unlock the boot loader, we'll see a custom recovery as well as a few roms shortly after. I don't think there will be stock android until CM adds G3 support
I have faith in the devs that they'll eventually unlock this phone. It's been said in a few places that the security isn't as tough as say in the S4 for example.
That said though... This phones stock experience really isn't bad IMO. Best stock I've ever had. Being rooted and with xposed it's quite tolerable.
I'm a crack flasher though so believe me the itch is there!
- Sent From My G3
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I have faith in the devs that they'll eventually unlock this phone. It's been said in a few places that the security isn't as tough as say in the S4 for example.
That said though... This phones stock experience really isn't bad IMO. Best stock I've ever had. Being rooted and with xposed it's quite tolerable.
I'm a crack flasher though so believe me the itch is there!
- Sent From My G3
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Agree totally
If you want a flagship phone that will definitely run custom roms, I believe the htc one m8 is it for now. I agree with the other posters that the G3 will likely get a bootloader unlock at some point, but there are no guarantees. That said, the stock rom has a similar look and feel to the cm 11 rom I was running on my galaxy s3. While not AOSP, it doesn't annoy me the way touchwiz did and I won't have buyer's remorse if the bootloader stays locked.
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Agree totally
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better be soon or mine is gone.
oneandroidnut said:
better be soon or mine is gone.
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You know as soon as you get rid of yours like the following day or week they'll unlock it lol
... So get rid of it quick!
- Sent From My G3
Mistertac said:
You know as soon as you get rid of yours like the following day or week they'll unlock it lol
... So get rid of it quick!
- Sent From My G3
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haha ok i will throw in my desk drawer then and hope it gets unlocked!!!
This thread is pointless! Asking will there ever be custom ROMs? Of course there will be. But what you and many others fail to remember is that these phones are harder and harder to crack each time. Only reason the M8 had root and S-Off so quickly is jcase had a 3yr old vuln that wasnt patched yet. They patched it and then he had to spend more time and money cracking it again and he made a new version, which he charged for since it was such a PITA. Look how long it took the S5 to get it. Just be happy we have root.
If you are so worried about not having an unlocked bootloader, you should get rid of Verizon and get AT&T or Tmo that supports devices that are unlocked right from the manufacture. They will always have Nexus devices and other cool ones Verizon will never see since they dont allow none Verizon devices on their network.
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This thread is pointless! Asking will there ever be custom ROMs? Of course there will be. But what you and many others fail to remember is that these phones are harder and harder to crack each time. Only reason the M8 had root and S-Off so quickly is jcase had a 3yr old vuln that wasnt patched yet. They patched it and then he had to spend more time and money cracking it again and he made a new version, which he charged for since it was such a PITA. Look how long it took the S5 to get it. Just be happy we have root.
If you are so worried about not having an unlocked bootloader, you should get rid of Verizon and get AT&T or Tmo that supports devices that are unlocked right from the manufacture. They will always have Nexus devices and other cool ones Verizon will never see since they dont allow none Verizon devices on their network.
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I don't believe it is a "pointless" thread or question. GS5 doesn't have an unlocked bootloader and who knows if they ever will. They have an exploit to run essentially stripped down versions of the stock ROM but that is it. I have not intentions on switching carriers I was simply asking what the status of the G3 was as far as unlocking was concerned.
Thank you to everyone else that responded, I think the G3 is still a viable option for me. I am going to wait to see what Motorola puts out there, but if I don't like it I'll pull the trigger on the G3.
I think it is pointless because you're asking people to predict the future. Nobody can answer the question. Therefore, the question is pointless.
This thread has outlived it's usefulness.
The progress of this device's development can be followed by reading the threads in it's forum.
When progress is made it will be reported in either the general or development sections.
If there are any questions please PM me.
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