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What is the difference in a kernel and a rom??
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Heath
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im not tryin to be rude even tho is going to come off like that. just google it...the answer will come in less then a sec or ask on a help sticky. dont make a new thread because you might be feeling lazy. good luck with your new hobby
Easiest way to look at them. The Kernel is the brain, it is the control point. Everything goes through it.
ROM is more of what you see, the programs and such.
While it is much more indepth that's the basics of it. Just remember to never use either that is not built for your phone.
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I thing thats the forum for so every body can help to answer this type of questions
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ragarm said:
What is the difference in a kernel and a rom??
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Heath
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This doesn't belong in the development section, or any. A Google search would yield results. And if you don't know the difference, you shouldn't even consider rooting.
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I thing thats the forum for so every body can help to answer this type of questions
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^ I was thinking the same thing. Hence the reason I posted the question.
Goggle doesn't always explain things as well as someone with hands on experience.
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K40 said:
Easiest way to look at them. The Kernel is the brain, it is the control point. Everything goes through it.
ROM is more of what you see, the programs and such.
While it is much more indepth that's the basics of it. Just remember to never use either that is not built for your phone.
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Thanks for your time.
Your explanation helps. I have messed with linux kernels on my computer before, but I wanted to make sure about this because its my phone and not a spare pc during around. Lol
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Well...
You have to admit, at least the subject is dead on.
Symptom of a larger issue, I believe...
We need to separate things a bit better. All the support for the ROMS going on in here seems to be confusing people?
Dev forum, release forum, support forum, perhaps? XDA is becoming a huge mess which explains the recent off-shoots.
I have no experience, but i'd like to learn how to make my own custom rom.
Does anyone know what i'd need for a Thunderbolt GB rom?
I've looked into it and read about Kitchens and how you need them, but don't fully understand.
I'd like to know if the community could help me out here.
I could google it and I have, but I don't get any results that are specifically for the Thunderbolt.
Please go easy on me. :/
I can't answer your question so I apologize for taking a spot in your thread but I don't see any reason people would be rude/harsh towards you especially considering you posted in the proper section! Good luck and hope to see a ROM from you someday!
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I can't answer your question so I apologize for taking a spot in your thread but I don't see any reason people would be rude/harsh towards you especially considering you posted in the proper section! Good luck and hope to see a ROM from you someday!
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It's okay! haha. Any input is good input.
I was sure to put it in the Q/A ;D
Can anyone help?
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...+make+an+android+rom&spell=1&biw=1810&bih=866
the phone model does not matter really and you wont find anything specific for the thunderbolt.
Install Linux right off the bat... Dealing with Windows and using environments are a PIA.
Download apktool, kitchen, gimp, and your base ROM whether it be the GB leak or MR2. Read up on how the system works, various editing techniques, and suck up all the info possible. It really is a learning process, not really something someone can tell you how to do.
That's what I did/do to learn.
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RjsShadows said:
I have no experience, but i'd like to learn how to make my own custom rom.
Does anyone know what i'd need for a Thunderbolt GB rom?
I've looked into it and read about Kitchens and how you need them, but don't fully understand.
I'd like to know if the community could help me out here.
I could google it and I have, but I don't get any results that are specifically for the Thunderbolt.
Please go easy on me. :/
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You do realize too that some people, no matter how hard they may try, are just not cut out to this type of stuff?
I'm not saying you can't do this, but just be aware that the end result may not be what you want it to be.
Thank you Theory and Yareally! I'm good at researching, looking into things and learning
I just needed to know what exactly I needed to look up.
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Dnakaman said:
You do realize too that some people, no matter how hard they may try, are just not cut out to this type of stuff?
I'm not saying you can't do this, but just be aware that the end result may not be what you want it to be.
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Lol
THUNDERBOLT
elliott35 said:
Lol
THUNDERBOLT
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He was just looking out for me, haha. I'm not a moron, I'll know what I'm doing when I finish researching.
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He was just looking out for me, haha. I'm not a moron, I'll know what I'm doing when I finish researching.
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Ya, I remember back in my days in school when these people were in computer classes with me saying how cool it was to learn to program.
Half of them, while very bright, lacked a certain "ability" to grasp programming, shall we say.
I have created a rom and themed it. But i wnt some performance tweaks and some apps which i could integrate in settings.apk
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I have created a rom and themed it. But i wnt some performance tweaks and some apps which i could integrate in settings.apk
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maybe u coulf add rom control with its tweaks?
So start looking at performance tweaks and such, and if you are adding some stuff to pre-compiled APKs then look into smali and the tools you need to use to manipulate it.
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So start looking at performance tweaks and such, and if you are adding some stuff to pre-compiled APKs then look into smali and the tools you need to use to manipulate it.
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Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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If all you understand is XML then you are going to be hard pressed as what you want to do will need to be done by editing the smali or the Java source code
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Oh boy...I just love it when people start saying
"I'm building a ROM", "I'm doing dev work", "I want to be a recognized developer"
Then I make suggestions and I get "That's too hard", "Do you have a download link" "Cn u teac me hw mak a custm kernel?"
Yet they are totally unwilling to actually invest some time into these things and LEARN it.
Guy's Rome wasn't built in a day, and your ROM isn't going to be either. Look around, read, SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Download other people's stuff not just to Kang it, rename/re-post it under your name, but to LEARN, to figure out how it works, so you can UNDERSTAND. This isn't like a store, where you walk in and go "I want one of those, and I'll take one of them, and please get me that, where can I find this, etc, etc." Make little modifications, tweaks on top of tweaks, and keep doing that until it's soemthing new, soemthing different, and THEN post it. But please don't limit yourself, to what is "Easy" or "Comfortable", it's not the way to get anywhere with real development work, much less in life. Put some time into it, and some effort. I really do wish you all luck, but you guys have to stop looking for the easy way to get some quick credit.
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@OP I know of zero performance modifications that you can do in XML, and if you are looking to use someone else's work and use that then start searching and make sure you ask before you use it.
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Oh boy...I just love it when people start saying
"I'm building a ROM", "I'm doing dev work", "I want to be a recognized developer"
Then I make suggestions and I get "That's too hard", "Do you have a download link" "Cn u teac me hw mak a custm kernel?"
Yet they are totally unwilling to actually invest some time into these things and LEARN it.
Guy's Rome wasn't built in a day, and your ROM isn't going to be either. Look around, read, SEARCH SEARCH SEARCH. Download other people's stuff not just to Kang it, rename/re-post it under your name, but to LEARN, to figure out how it works, so you can UNDERSTAND. This isn't like a store, where you walk in and go "I want one of those, and I'll take one of them, and please get me that, where can I find this, etc, etc." Make little modifications, tweaks on top of tweaks, and keep doing that until it's soemthing new, soemthing different, and THEN post it. But please don't limit yourself, to what is "Easy" or "Comfortable", it's not the way to get anywhere with real development work, much less in life. Put some time into it, and some effort. I really do wish you all luck, but you guys have to stop looking for the easy way to get some quick credit.
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@OP I know of zero performance modifications that you can do in XML, and if you are looking to use someone else's work and use that then start searching and make sure you ask before you use it.
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This.
You won't develop a ROM overnight. Go learn some real programming and stop compiling other peoples work and making a ROM that is "your own."
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rohan32 said:
This.
You won't develop a ROM overnight. Go learn some real programming and stop compiling other peoples work and making a ROM that is "your own."
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Who are you referring it to? I cooked a rom and I think that I have made the rom. Of you don't have anything to help me then please don't comment. I don't understand smali but I know how to read tutorials and add more features in the rom by smali editing like swipe to remove, 14 toggle etc.
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I never ask for an easy way out. I add features in my rom manually!!
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He was being helpful, he is bringing up a attitude that is rampant here on XDA, namely the "cooking" of ROMs. There are WAY too many people who just cook a ROM in a kitchen and claim to have "developed" it. No, you just re-packaged somebody's work, it's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's useless, but it causes way to many "developer" wanna-be's that just aren't interested in actually learning something. Up above we posted suggestions and you responded with
Smali is too hard for me! I only undrstnd xml
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That creates the impression that you aren't wanting to try any other methods for creating ROMs. If you were trying to say that you don't know smali, then maybe you should have said something like,
I don't know smali so I'm not sure how well I could implement features like that. Do you guys have any suggestions?
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Not only is that easier to read, but it also communicates much more clearly what you are trying to say/ask. But the way that post is currently worded it makes it sound like you are just wanting to re-package somebody's work and use it as your own.
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He was being helpful, he is bringing up a attitude that is rampant here on XDA, namely the "cooking" of ROMs. There are WAY too many people who just cook a ROM in a kitchen and claim to have "developed" it. No, you just re-packaged somebody's work, it's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's useless, but it causes way to many "developer" wanna-be's that just aren't interested in actually learning something. Up above we posted suggestions and you responded with
That creates the impression that you aren't wanting to try any other methods for creating ROMs. If you were trying to say that you don't know smali, then maybe you should have said something like,
Not only is that easier to read, but it also communicates much more clearly what you are trying to say/ask. But the way that post is currently worded it makes it sound like you are just wanting to re-package somebody's work and use it as your own.
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This is very true, I'm new to porting and I'm starting with porting so I can learn the ins and outs of a rom so at a later time I can learn to develop, even in porting I've had to back smali and make some edits to get things working so sooner or later you will have to as well.. I'm currently reading a begginers guide on java for android.. Google is my best friend and I'm trying to learn as much as I can because I have an idea of my 'ideal' rom.. I can't wait for someone else to do it so I can port it and I know it will never be the way I want.. I'm doing it mainly for myself and I hope one day I can share with others
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Best thing to do is get on the good side of a dev and ask them to teach you, I had great help from some of the best devs on XDA, but as above its not something you can just learn easily, I already had a pretty good knowledge of Java and XMLs etc before i got a smart phone lol, If you stick to it then you should get somewhere, Java is a pain in the ass though, editing .smalis is probably the hardest thing for a new dev
Think About It
TO GET STARTED
Fix Bugs
Test it,
Decompile APKS and modify them if you have permission
Add features and tweaks
Put it up on git.
Help YOUR USERS and stop asking silly questions
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TO GET STARTED
Fix Bugs
Test it,
Decompile APKS and modify them if you have permission
Add features
Put it up on git
Help YOUR USERS and stop asking silly questions
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Done all dat.. Srry to ask dis question. Seems like people here are not helpful. Everyone is a flamer.
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hell_lock said:
Done all dat.. Srry to ask dis question. Seems like people here are not helpful. Everyone is a flamer.
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I haven't seen one post of someone flaming you in this thread. We tried to give you some advice and you said it was too "hard" so we all shut up and left you alone.
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I haven't seen one post of someone flaming you in this thread. We tried to give you some advice and you said it was too "hard" so we all shut up and left you alone.
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I prefer bein left alone so pls dont comment again..
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I prefer bein left alone so pls dont comment again..
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Well then you shouldn't have started the thread, I'm not trying to "flame" by any means... but if you wanna add some performance settings and mods I'll give you some advice thewadegeek gave me, take a look at aokps or cm9 or whoever's git repo you feel has some similar features to those you wish to add and start there, you'll get a good understanding of how everything works... at that point it comes to the fine details and making sure everything works.. when you have issues at that point you then can ask for help on getting the fine details fixed since at that time you'll have specific issues that someone can help with
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Well then you shouldn't have started the thread, I'm not trying to "flame" by any means... but if you wanna add some performance settings and mods I'll give you some advice thewadegeek gave me, take a look at aokps or cm9 or whoever's git repo you feel has some similar features to those you wish to add and start there, you'll get a good understanding of how everything works... at that point it comes to the fine details and making sure everything works.. when you have issues at that point you then can ask for help on getting the fine details fixed since at that time you'll have specific issues that someone can help with
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Thanks.. Thats what I wanted
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Thanks.. Thats what I wanted
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No problem man, good luck to ya
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Hello. I would appreciate it if someone would point me in the right direction of where to go to learn (from the very beginning) how to develop ROMs for the Rezound or even just AOSP. I am new to coding but I am willing to learn and have lots of time to put into it. I want to help contribute to the development of the Rezound and get us out of this lull. :good:
cslingerland said:
Hello. I would appreciate it if someone would point me in the right direction of where to go to learn (from the very beginning) how to develop ROMs for the Rezound or even just AOSP. I am new to coding but I am willing to learn and have lots of time to put into it. I want to help contribute to the development of the Rezound and get us out of this lull. :good:
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Chef Central
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613
Thank you. Sorry about not finding that on my own. :/
Just jump in there and do it. Get 7zip and start dissecting other roms to see how they work.
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Chef Central
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613
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I am also very eager to learn and will probably be learning at the same pace as you maybe slower but I've ALWAYS been a quick learner. Maybe we can help each other. my email is [email protected]
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For sure man. Any help is appreciated. I'm trying to figure out where to start. I might just start with changing graphical things to see how that works and then go from there. Don't really know yet though.
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For sure man. Any help is appreciated. I'm trying to figure out where to start. I might just start with changing graphical things to see how that works and then go from there. Don't really know yet though.
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Yeah man. I guess we could just learn and try the basics and the quickly we learn we will most likely hit the advanced levels of Rom Development pretty soon. Should we start with the STOCK Rezound rom?
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I want to start win the graphics because you can't mess too much up playing with graphics and I will get the feel of. Where things are located. I think I am goin to start from the newest ics leak stock. And then move to the official ota when it comes out. Sound like a good plan?
Thanks for the link, kzoodroid. Been thinking about possibly starting up ROM'ing for a bit now, just never knew where to start.
I haven't had any code projects to work on since I got out of college for summer break... weird that I'm slightly itching to code lol.
Working on a ROM using the kitchen. It's really good for showing you a lot of things you need to do for basics (deodexing, zipaligning, etc.) Just remember that it is "basic" and you can't completely construct a ROM just using the kitchen. Great way to get started :good:
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I want to start win the graphics because you can't mess too much up playing with graphics and I will get the feel of. Where things are located. I think I am goin to start from the newest ics leak stock. And then move to the official ota when it comes out. Sound like a good plan?
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WHEEW.. high five. Alright.. I'm right there with ya.
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Awesome! Ha. I'm gonna look for the kitchen tonight when I get out of work... I think it's a few steps inside my back door. I should be able to find it just fine
Also... I if anyone knows of any straight to the point videos about how the kitchen works or basic ROM building, please post links. Or make one! That would be great too
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Awesome! Ha. I'm gonna look for the kitchen tonight when I get out of work... I think it's a few steps inside my back door. I should be able to find it just fine
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HAAAAA don't get distracted by the beer in the fridge lol
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http://www.speedtest.net/android/210112746.png
Dig through the Chef Central forum, looks like a lot of good info there.
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Building Sense based ROMs using dsixda's kitchen is pretty straight forawrd, hardest part was seting it up to run on a windows pc. You pretty much just end up with a deodexed, zipaligned ROM. I haven't done this with my Rezound but have built ones for the Incredible and Eris. You can also de-sense ROMs easily witht his too. Its a good tool to learn teh basics. The next step up is to learn to compile from source or to port over a ROM from another device.
AOSP
http://source.android.com/source/initializing.html
Guide to Porting (Droid Incredible thread so not sure if its the same for the Rezound but it will give you an idea)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1169570
Guide to decompiling and compiling using baksmali and smali (need to know this to modify files without creating a custom ROM)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1732635
Still looking for video breakdown of essentials if anyone has some. It's not that I can't do it myself, I just like being visually showed how to do things when I start something new. Thanks
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Still looking for video breakdown of essentials if anyone has some. It's not that I can't do it myself, I just like being visually showed how to do things when I start something new. Thanks
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You can't really be shown how to make a ROM. Every Rom is different, and requires different steps.
Yeah I understand that but I mean like for finding where things are located and what some important things do
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theres no shortcut to learning how to make roms
id say a large portion of rom devs started out by theming...helps to learn the files structures and what does what...as well as becoming familiar w/ apktool, smali, etc
biggest lesson that few seem to hit out the park on the first try? credit
if using other peoples stuff, make sure to credit them properly :good:
What do people use as a base for the sense 4 roms?
Do you think it would be a good idea to start making videos and tuts. Not for the money or anything like that. But just to spread the word. Like for example how zips work. Little mods that could be made easily. But in videos. Similar to qbking77 but not on roms and how to install. But rather understanding the concept and grasping what is really happening. Some people might not care. But i know i did. And i learned by reading for days on end. Now i want to show everyone in an easier way to get more people more involved.Should i?
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Do you think it would be a good idea to start making videos and tuts. Not for the money or anything like that. But just to spread the word. Like for example how zips work. Little mods that could be made easily. But in videos. Similar to qbking77 but not on roms and how to install. But rather understanding the concept and grasping what is really happening. Some people might not care. But i know i did. And i learned by reading for days on end. Now i want to show everyone in an easier way to get more people more involved.Should i?
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Why not? Might help someone out and could be a good learning experience
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Why not? Might help someone out and could be a good learning experience
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Thanks for the feedback. A few more good comments and i will be pumped and start tonight! Lol
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I think that would be a great idea. Even experienced users might not truly understand what is going on when flashing roms and such
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