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Can someone please explain, once and for all, why recording incoming audio for calls is so damn difficult? Forget about the legality of it or whatever - my question is purely technical. What are the technical difficulties that a developer runs into when trying to write a call recording app? Particularly for the Atrix?
I've heard that "moto blocks it", but that's not really an answer. Is the driver "hidden" in some way? Is the stream encrypted or something? Is there no API function that exposes the incoming audio stream?
On phones that do successfully record the inbound audio, how is the app doing it, and why does it work on that phone, but not on another? What's different about the platform/software/driver/electronics/etc?
Thanks
Would love to know this as well.
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definitely a bump. My bet is that the API is crippled in that area for legality reasons.
Trust me, I'm sure your phone already has plenty of call recording software on it....
Techcruncher said:
Trust me, I'm sure your phone already has plenty of call recording software on it....
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Totally bro it like totally records your words and stuff and like saves em on an invisible SD card and the file is 0kb... oh and then if you check your memory to see if it is recording it sends it via the internet... even without a connection!
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ChongoDroid said:
Totally bro it like totally records your words and stuff and like saves em on an invisible SD card and the file is 0kb... oh and then if you check your memory to see if it is recording it sends it via the internet... even without a connection!
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+5,000,000
LMFAO!
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probably is the legality issue. worried about something being recorded during a conversation that can't legally be recorded.
Can't really imagine any technical difficulty that would prevent it.
If you call me its legal for me to record the conversation. There is nothing illegal about that.
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And if someone else is using your phone, it's not.
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Trust me, I'm sure your phone already has plenty of call recording software on it....
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Totally clueless lol.
Jnewell05 said:
If you call me its legal for me to record the conversation. There is nothing illegal about that.
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In many jurisdictions, all participants must be aware that a conversation is being recorded, or the recording is illegal.
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Thanks for all the replies, everyone, but I'm afraid this post is turning into the legal conversation that I hoped it wouldn't. I'm sure none of us are lawyers, so let's stick to the nerdy technical stuff we're good at.
So just to try to reign the conversation back in; there's gotta be some devs out there who have dabbled in this area before. What are the technical nuances and obstacles in wirting code to record the incoming audio of a phone call?
(Ya, I know about the 'speaker-phone' trick. I'm asking about the incoming audio stream.)
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Trust me, I'm sure your phone already has plenty of call recording software on it....
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Uh... ok. Thanks for that...
ChongoDroid said:
Totally bro it like totally records your words and stuff and like saves em on an invisible SD card and the file is 0kb... oh and then if you check your memory to see if it is recording it sends it via the internet... even without a connection!
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BAAAHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Skadoosh!!
See this: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2117#c401
netter159 said:
definitely a bump. My bet is that the API is crippled in that area for legality reasons.
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the Atrix, cannot record calls is because Moto left out a standard Android function from one of the libraries, the libaudio.so file. Supposedly that is the standard way to stream the live call audio (both incoming & outgoing) for Android programming.
Since other Android phones CAN record calls, and since other Android apps do work with multiple other phones--it seems likely that this is a Moto issue and not an "Android" problem. Moto have no comment on the topic other than "we don't make call recording software".
Someone capable of shimming in some new code or writing a driver that can access the hardware will be my hero. in another post I saw someone that was able to bring a driver from another phone and use its functionality to record calls
I would pay good money to record MY phone calls.....
I came across this idea from another board about a "virtual recorder"
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"For example, maybe we could develop a virtual bluetooth device. Similar to a virtual DVD drive in widows. There's no real physical drive, but the driver makes windows think there is and it can be used to mount ISOs... Well, same concept - make a virtual bluetooth device that android thinks is a physical device, and use whatever existing mechanisms to divert the audio stream to the virtual device. Then of course, the back-end for the virtual bluetooth could simply send the sound back to the handset whilst recording the audio stream."
^^Thats a neat idea. However, I am not sure it is possible to do that given the APIs and the inherent limitations of the platform!
That post about the "other driver" is here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=806451
according to him he "Because it wasn't open source, I had to disassemble it in order to write what I wanted exactly."
Also here is a link to android FYI
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/media/MediaRecorder.AudioSource.html
l8r
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the Atrix, cannot record calls is because Moto left out a standard Android function from one of the libraries, the libaudio.so file. Supposedly that is the standard way to stream the live call audio (both incoming & outgoing) for Android programming
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Is this something that can be corrected with a custom ROM and kernel? I admit to not knowing much about programming for Android and how a lot of that works. I've got some programming experience outside of Android and Linux, and I'd be willing to cross over and work on custom ROMs just for that feature. Like you, I think it's worth it's weight in gold...
Not sure if this has been asked yet, searching didn't give me any results anyway - but apologies if its been asked.
HP Touchpad + HP Pre3 connect and the tablet can be used to read text messages etc along with a few other features
So, I was wondering if anyone has fiddled with trying to get Android to connect to WebOS for SMS/Missed call alerts?
closest thing I can think of right now would be using Phone Portal to connect your Motorola device. It uses WiFi and the browser.
Wish there was a way to do that.
Have you tried DeskSMS? It sends your SMS's to your Gmail.
Might be any good?
Bouncer5 said:
Have you tried DeskSMS? It sends your SMS's to your Gmail.
Might be any good?
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Nice one! I think that could be a viable option until someone figures out how to either make an app for android/webos to do it, or something more advanced.
I was just about to post this, theoretically it shouldn't be impossible to achieve although I'm far from an expert in the area (read: not an expert at all). I'd happily donate to any developers which could create a patch for it, as I'm sure would many other touchpad owners.
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Nice one! I think that could be a viable option until someone figures out how to either make an app for android/webos to do it, or something more advanced.
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Glad I could help!
I was reading somewhere else about this, Someones looking to transfer by bluetooth, as any other option currently would no be viable apparently
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Glad I could help!
I was reading somewhere else about this, Someones looking to transfer by bluetooth, as any other option currently would no be viable apparently
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Yep, I'm expecting a bluetooth app for it.
Must admit i'm annoyed with how restricted the feature is - i mean the car, tv, and pc can all get text alerts from the phone. (Actually that's a lie, the car stopped getting text messages when i went to android)
So i'm sure its doable, its just a matter of getting a dev interested in doing it - unfortunately I wouldn't know where to start.
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Yep, I'm expecting a bluetooth app for it.
Must admit i'm annoyed with how restricted the feature is - i mean the car, tv, and pc can all get text alerts from the phone. (Actually that's a lie, the car stopped getting text messages when i went to android)
So i'm sure its doable, its just a matter of getting a dev interested in doing it - unfortunately I wouldn't know where to start.
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Well aint you all fancy!
My phone bearly gets texts messages nevermind anything else!
There's already a discussion about this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230370
See the last post in the thread.
Port your number to google voice. Then I have txt sent and missed calls going to email.
I've heard of many having text to speach and I've looked to see if we have it stock. Either I haven't looked well enough or I am a little sleep deprived and need a window to lick. If anyone knows if we do have it and how to activate it, please be kind and fill me in.
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It is usually a little microphone within the keyboard. Press is and watch the magic happen..
yep just tap the microphone icon that's on the keyboard and that will tell you when to start speaking. are you that got to put this message in.
okay I take it back it that messed up on that last sentence. what I had said was I use it to put this message in.
Swyping now... I like it but you definitely have to edit some of it and add punctuation, but fine for an informal text if you're driving or have your hands full.
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...Either I haven't looked well enough or I am a little sleep deprived and need a window to lick.
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My windows need washing. How soon can you get here?
(I'm talking about the windows on my house, I hope I didn't ask you for anything nasty.)
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he asked for text to speech, not the other way around :-x
I've used Vlingo, it works really well for in the car, reads off the incoming texts for you.
You can also turn on the screen reader in accessibility if you want...
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he asked for text to speech, not the other way around :-x
I've used Vlingo, it works really well for in the car, reads off the incoming texts for you.
You can also turn on the screen reader in accessibility if you want...
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Unfortunately, Vlingo has issues on the Rezound. They told me they are working on a fix....
I use gosms it has this feature also just touch the text you want spoken and select the option. May be a way to enable to do it automatically but havnt looked yet
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Thanks. I wasn't asking for more windows to lick, but thanks for the job offer..
I was not aware of the screen reader either. See, I knew I didn't look hard enough.
This forum is so much nicer than the thunderbolt forum was. So far people seem nicer and less judgemental. Must have been a prerequisite to buy the Rezound.
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I've heard of many having text to speach and I've looked to see if we have it stock. Either I haven't looked well enough or I am a little sleep deprived and need a window to lick. If anyone knows if we do have it and how to activate it, please be kind and fill me in.
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Enhanced Caller ID reads texts, email, gmail and gtalk, plus caller ID. It reads the email content (or as much as you want). It has a quiet time feature which I need, plus a while lot more options. It lets your customized ringtones play if you have one set for someone in your contact list. It's a great program.
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he asked for text to speech, not the other way around :-x
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Oh! lol.
No wonder he turned down my window washing offer.
So, I' keep reading that you can use Google Voice to make voip calls through wifi with tablets like my YP-G70. But I can't figure out how to do it. Every post I see anywhere says to just have it forward to Google Talk. I've done that, but still nothing happens...
Maybe I'm just missing something?
Any help would be very greatly appreciated, and I really hope I didn't miss a post that already answered this. 'Cause I really looked. =\
Also, any other app suggestions that could do this better would be awesome, too.
Thanks in advance!
Use Groove IP, and link it to your Google Voice credentials.
Free US and Canada calls for the remaining of this year.
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So, I' keep reading that you can use Google Voice to make voip calls through wifi with tablets like my YP-G70. But I can't figure out how to do it. Every post I see anywhere says to just have it forward to Google Talk. I've done that, but still nothing happens...
Maybe I'm just missing something?
Any help would be very greatly appreciated, and I really hope I didn't miss a post that already answered this. 'Cause I really looked. =\
Also, any other app suggestions that could do this better would be awesome, too.
Thanks in advance!
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I can definitely recommend GrooveIP. And from what I can tell, you can now make calls straight from the Google Voice app using "Click-to-Call" (added in the new version of Google Voice).
I currently use GrooveIP still though, since it's most convenient. Calls sound fantastic if your on a good connection, slightly laggy over 3G in some cases.
Ahh, thanks! Installed and working gloriously.
... Although I feel kinda dumb now.
But thank you for your help!
I use spare phone with google voice it works perfect!
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DeLaVicci said:
So, I' keep reading that you can use Google Voice to make voip calls through wifi with tablets like my YP-G70. But I can't figure out how to do it. Every post I see anywhere says to just have it forward to Google Talk. I've done that, but still nothing happens...
Maybe I'm just missing something?
Any help would be very greatly appreciated, and I really hope I didn't miss a post that already answered this. 'Cause I really looked. =\
Also, any other app suggestions that could do this better would be awesome, too.
Thanks in advance!
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Grooveip is nice. unfortunately google is going to start charging next year for calls. :-(
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Doesn't surprise me at all. But I bet when they do charge it's probably still going to be a ridiculously cheap alternative.
Granted, I could be completely wrong...
Talkatone
I'd like to see something like Talkatone for iOS. That app works really well and android needs something like that.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/talkatone-free-calls/com.talkatone.android
But I like GrooveIP much better.
I'm really happy with GrooveIP so far. Especially when I remembered to change my wifi back to never sleeping.
Thanks
tcat007 said:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/talkatone-free-calls/com.talkatone.android
But I like GrooveIP much better.
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Oh I didn't realize there was a Talkatone, thanks!
The Reason I like Talkatone is that you don't have to have 2 accounts set up. The subscription I used to setup my Google Talk account is up now ;-).
talkatone has the added advantage of being able to send SMS
Groove IP Lite
This is my first post. I'm really happy to confirm that Groove IP Lite really works with my Galaxy Player 5.0
I searched "how to make my galaxy player 5.0 a phone" on google and found instructions (both video & text) from unlocker dot com. Should be very first article.
1. Setup a google voice account
2. In the settings, set your google account phone to answer to your GoogleChat.
3. Download the app at Google Play, Groove IP Lite.
4. Follow the instructions.
Have fun with your new VOIP phone. Awesome!
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This is my first post. I'm really happy to confirm that Groove IP Lite really works with my Galaxy Player 5.0
I searched "how to make my galaxy player 5.0 a phone" on google and found instructions (both video & text) from unlocker dot com. Should be very first article.
1. Setup a google voice account
2. In the settings, set your google account phone to answer to your GoogleChat.
3. Download the app at Google Play, Groove IP Lite.
4. Follow the instructions.
Have fun with your new VOIP phone. Awesome!
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does the ear peice work?
Yes, actually, it does.
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dorfd1 said:
does the ear peice work?
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Yes, the earpiece works with the phone feature only (just talking back & forth). Adjust the volume in the settings first before you make your first call. Talk about ringing your in ears, man!! The button, on the earpiece, only works the "play/pause" for your music on the Galaxy Player 5.0. So you'll to your phone the player itself. Cool? Cool.
Anyone get VOIP working well on their player? I've tried ALL combinations of different software packages with my 5.0 (grooveIP, SIPdroid, talkatone, etc) and cannot find one that offers a usable delay. Every single call I've ever made has has been laggy as hell - even with a full wifi signal, wifi security off, no firewall and fast internet. My test calls all deliver voice through the player with at least a second delay, and having a conversation is almost impossible.
I've tried playing with all the SIP/VOIP settings, played with call quality, codecs, everything! Some settings have made it marginally better but still not good enough. I also bought Tegrak overclock hoping maybe the lack of processing speed on the 5.0 was causing an issue with the codecs - even overclocked to 1.5ghz there was no difference whatsoever.
I'm running gingerbread, but I can't see ICS being any better.
Anyone have any ideas, or is the hardware on the player just insufficient?
Me too I tried all kind of settings with GrooveIP and Talkatone and I just couldn't get rid of the 1 or 2 seconds delay. I'm curious if anyone else sees the same thing or do you just not notice it? It's there.
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Hi All,
So this idea is from a Sanyo flip phone I had way back in the day on Sprint. Granted, it's not the most useful thing in the world, but it would be nice for times when you want to know why someone is calling before you answer the phone.
There was an option where after 4 rings the phone would answer play a locally stored greeting, then record a message locally. Now, the helpful part to me was the fact that (unless I hit a button to mute it) it would play the outgoing and incoming messages where I could hear them. Being this was several years ago, it couldn't play it over Bluetooth, which with better technology on both the device and headset ends, that would be possible. (My Motorola Elite Flip, for example)
But I'd like to see it go a step further, and make this a full featured answering / auto response system.
Say you're driving, and someone calls you, you hear the message they're leaving via your hands-free (either in car or headset) and decide you need to take the call. Instead of pressing a button, just say "Answer it". Or say "Ignore it" and the answering system would mute, the phone audio would return to whatever you had on previously, be it music or sat nav.
Similarly, if someone sends you a text, you could have it read to you on TTS, then the app would ask "Would you like to reply?" You could say "No" and the app would send a canned message ("I'm driving. I'll get back to you soon." or something similar), or say "Yes" then dictate your message by speech recognition.
With this, an auto filter would also be handy. Numbers not in your phone book, or numbers you set as black list, are automatically sent to the screener, while other contacts are not.
I think greetings should also get some options as well, like the option to have different greetings for different callers, or different caller groups, and the option to either record your greeting, or write one to be played to callers by TTS.
I've seen apps that do bits and pieces of this idea, but nothing that consolidates them, and the apps I've tried don't work very well, and they don't have the right feel. This app should be something that would feel like it was included stock on Android. Clean, simple, and intuitive.
Anyone interested in a project?
Apologies for any typos. I can't find my reading glasses.
Just sign up for a google voice number. It has call screening and press 4 for recording mode.
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xelanetloads said:
Just sign up for a google voice number. It has call screening and press 4 for recording mode.
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Some of the places I go for service calls are out of range of a data network, and if there is one, it's only EDGE, which isn't really going to work for GV. I used GV for a short while and wasn't very impressed with it.
Take Nokia mobile ...
The only one have this options.
With choice to transfer call to any no even ...
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firasusman said:
Take Nokia mobile ...
The only one have this options.
With choice to transfer call to any no even ...
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Nokia's are good devices, but Samsung is better. Wish I could get my hands on one app that can do what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for an app which will let me:
Say someone phones me. It rings a couple times then they have to say their name. I will then hear their message of their name and can choose to ignore it or answer it accordingly.
Is this what this app is?
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Part of it, yes, although they would be able to leave more than just a name. That part would function like an onboard answering machine.
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Don't get Google voice here in the UK
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Good idea!
I was recently looking for an app that did this but i cant find a decent one. I had this feature on my first color flip phone back in the day and i wondered why it wasnt available today. Its really useful. Im not a developer or id be heping you out with this project please let me know if you ever make it happen. Good luck.
I think with android limitations ...u cant play the greeting to the Caller. So i guess the app would be for rooted Phones only.
..Even with a rooted phones.. An app wont do the purpose. becoz u need to to do some framework changes.
I think u are going to need a MOD which can be flashed from recovery.
I am ready to donate for this app or Mod. or do it my self if someone guides me with some Links ..+1