I'm running stock, unlocked 198_7 with jokers 1.4Ghz kernel with various tweaks and what not. I'm also using the Myrt Undervolt app as well...my question is how low should I undervolt it? What are safe and suggested settings running my setup and in general? And does undervolting only save battery life or are there other benefits?
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I would also like to know the answer to this question i only lowered mine a little bit havent tried going any lower but i am on 1.3 oc with jokers rom
Hello fellow mopho owner!
Undervolting is quite trivial! Each phone is different. There is no magic number for which you can UV or OC to and not have stability issues without proper testing.
A good way to start would be to pick a frequency, UV it in increments of -25, then proceed to run stability tests. If you encounter no issues, then decrease the voltage by -25 again and repeat the stability tests. You can do this until you encounter issues. If all is stable with this frequency, then proceed to UV another one. And repeat the same stability tests.
I recommend not to UV any higher than -50. You're just begging for a system failure. -50 should easily yield a noticably increase in battery life.
The benefit of UV only yields extended battery life at the cost of some said performance in various ways.
With having said that. Next time you have a question about an specific app, post in the Q&A section of the forums.
If you would like to share an app or theme, post it here. In the "Theme/App" section of the forum.
-cheers
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Custodian said:
Hello fellow mopho owner!
Undervolting is quite trivial! Each phone is different. There is no magic number for which you can UV or OC to and not have stability issues without proper testing.
A good way to start would be to pick a frequency, UV it in increments of -25, then proceed to run stability tests. If you encounter no issues, then decrease the voltage by -25 again and repeat the stability tests. You can do this until you encounter issues. If all is stable with this frequency, then proceed to UV another one. And repeat the same stability tests.
I recommend not to UV any higher than -50. You're just begging for a system failure. -50 should easily yield a noticably increase in battery life.
The benefit of UV only yields extended battery life at the cost of some said performance in various ways.
With having said that. Next time you have a question about an specific app, post in the Q&A section of the forums.
If you would like to share an app or theme, post it here. In the "Theme/App" section of the forum.
-cheers
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This is the only forum it would let me post in...the new member restrictions are frustrating.
Lol. I felt the same way. All good
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This is the only forum it would let me post in...the new member restrictions are frustrating.
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The tegra is picky and only likes booting at certain voltages. So many of the clocks could be uv'ed by up to 100. Loki manged 175 somehow... test till see causes issues but be thorough. Oh and my next kernels will require new values as im changing uv code to be more compatible with uv apps.
Custodian said:
Hello fellow mopho owner!
Undervolting is quite trivial! Each phone is different. There is no magic number for which you can UV or OC to and not have stability issues without proper testing.
A good way to start would be to pick a frequency, UV it in increments of -25, then proceed to run stability tests. If you encounter no issues, then decrease the voltage by -25 again and repeat the stability tests. You can do this until you encounter issues. If all is stable with this frequency, then proceed to UV another one. And repeat the same stability tests.
I recommend not to UV any higher than -50. You're just begging for a system failure. -50 should easily yield a noticably increase in battery life.
The benefit of UV only yields extended battery life at the cost of some said performance in various ways.
With having said that. Next time you have a question about an specific app, post in the Q&A section of the forums.
If you would like to share an app or theme, post it here. In the "Theme/App" section of the forum.
-cheers
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1gHz and higher tend to float around -75 to -100 on average. Below 1Ghz it's anywhere between -250 and -150 on average. Attached you will find a list of all reported undervolts on the Atrix minus the ones that are the same undervolt for every clock speed. I've noticed that it's hard to fine tune the jump between the 700Mhz range and 1Ghz. Keeping the jump no greater than 100mV seems to be best.
I would kill to have profiles, under/over clocking and undervolting all in the same app and working. Maybe if enough of us get together we may be able to convince the app devs to put it in. I'd personally love to see it in setcpu or romtoolbox.
Maybe i should build a battery life kernel
Lokifish Marz said:
1gHz and higher tend to float around -75 to -100 on average. Below 1Ghz it's anywhere between -250 and -150 on average. Attached you will find a list of all reported undervolts on the Atrix minus the ones that are the same undervolt for every clock speed. I've noticed that it's hard to fine tune the jump between the 700Mhz range and 1Ghz. Keeping the jump no greater than 100mV seems to be best.
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Maybe i should build a battery life kernel
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That would be cool. Just a posting of all successful settings would be nice too.
One thing I've never understood are a bit more of the specific on how uv affects performance, from the comments it seems to have even more of an effect the more you oc (you don't seem to be able to uv as much when you oc).
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MinceMan said:
That would be cool. Just a posting of all successful settings would be nice too.
One thing I've never understood are a bit more of the specific on how uv affects performance, from the comments it seems to have even more of an effect the more you oc (you don't seem to be able to uv as much when you oc).
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My undervolt txt are all the successful settings for our sister phone the atrix. From what I've seen, the results are in line with both my mopho's. Overclock/undervolt is more an art than science. There are many factors that affect results such as cpu batch, ambient temps, mainboard variances and the list goes on. This is why pc overclockers will hunt for specific batch numbers when overclocking. The same goes for undervolting.
With regards to performance. There is a very fine line between efficient and inefficient when oc'ing and uv. I'll be honest, I've spent hours fine tuning an oc/uv to get the best performance at a given clock rate. I've used the following formula (benchmark score/uv= efficiency @ tested clock speed) and it has paid off in the past (the art vs science thing still applies though). I have, in some cases, found the device to be more efficient with a tuned undervolt than stock. However no to devices are the same, EVER.
Lokifish Marz said:
1gHz and higher tend to float around -75 to -100 on average. Below 1Ghz it's anywhere between -250 and -150 on average. Attached you will find a list of all reported undervolts on the Atrix minus the ones that are the same undervolt for every clock speed. I've noticed that it's hard to fine tune the jump between the 700Mhz range and 1Ghz. Keeping the jump no greater than 100mV seems to be best.
I would kill to have profiles, under/over clocking and undervolting all in the same app and working. Maybe if enough of us get together we may be able to convince the app devs to put it in. I'd personally love to see it in setcpu or romtoolbox.
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Thanks man...all these posts have been very informative...this is the most info on undervolting I've seen in one place. You guys are awesome...I'll post some nudes soon in appreciation....HA!..just kidding...unless you ask nicely...then it'll be $5.
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Thanks Loki!
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Samsung Fascinate CDMA
Rooted MIUI 1.9.16
Did a brief search here looking to understand how to operate overclocking kernals, but find it/me relatively limited.
I have installed and ran Glitch v11 and v12, played around with HL to LL, and made adjustments to undervoltage utilizing Pimp My CPU and Voltage Control. I have also ran Tweak (though not really a kernal).
My question is this,
am I overclocking when I reduce voltage on Mhz's above 1,000?
If not, could someone point me to, or explain how to achieve overclocking on our phones, and
which kernel and governor do you prefer for overclocking?
As an ammended note, I've installed Tegrak Overclock, but am still looking for a user guide...
Thank you for your time.
If you're the running the glitch kernel...use voltage control, not tegrak overclock...over clocking is when you turn the CPU speed above its normal speed..anything over 1GHz.
under volting is when you turn down the voltage frequency to achieve better battery life...
Any one clock speed may perform more or less stable with different under volting unfortunately all of our phones will vary in performance so one setting that works for one may not be the best for another so experimentation is really the best option...this applies for schedulers and governors as well.
I personally overclock as high as I can until it freezes or crashes..then I go 1 setting down...I then try undervolting different steps observing the stability of my phone...when I find what I like,I run it for a few days, then if its still nice and stable I will apply on boot.
The different leakage values are affected by the hardware quality of the chips in our phones which also vary..I start with high and see how high I can overclock..note the setting, then try medium..see how high I can overclock and so on...just as a reference..high leakage creates the most heat and is the least efficient, but works for most phones, while low leakage is the most efficient and generates the least heat and will work with not as many phones
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efan450 said:
If you're the running the glitch kernel...use voltage control, not tegrak overclock...over clocking is when you turn the CPU speed above its normal speed..anything over 1GHz.
under volting is when you turn down the voltage frequency to achieve better battery life...
Any one clock speed may perform more or less stable with different under volting unfortunately all of our phones will vary in performance so one setting that works for one may not be the best for another so experimentation is really the best option...this applies for schedulers and governors as well.
I personally overclock as high as I can until it freezes or crashes..then I go 1 setting down...I then try undervolting different steps observing the stability of my phone...when I find what I like,I run it for a few days, then if its still nice and stable I will apply on boot.
The different leakage values are affected by the hardware quality of the chips in our phones which also vary..I start with high and see how high I can overclock..note the setting, then try medium..see how high I can overclock and so on...just as a reference..high leakage creates the most heat and is the least efficient, but works for most phones, while low leakage is the most efficient and generates the least heat and will work with not as many phones
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Efan450,
Thanks.
How do you over-clock using Glitch and Voltage Control? I see that Voltage Control goes up to 1,300Mhz, but it's at 0 above 1,000Mhz and can be dropped down to -200mV. Is overclocking just the process of decreasing that voltage on Mhz's above 1,000Mhz's
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Efan450,
Thanks.
How do you over-clock using Glitch and Voltage Control? I see that Voltage Control goes up to 1,300Mhz, but it's at 0 above 1,000Mhz and can be dropped down to -200mV. Is overclocking just the process of decreasing that voltage on Mhz's above 1,000Mhz's
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come on man.. Clock speed (mhz) and undervolting are 2 completely different things.. Forget the voltage.. No changing the voltage is NOT overclocking.. You overclock by changing your maximum clock above 1000mhz which is stock for this phone.. Try long pressing 1200mhz and selecting set as max.. Now your overclocked to 1200mhz..
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No decreasing the voltage is simply undervolting whether it's over 1000 or under. The idea behind undervolting is increasing battery life, but you can't necessarily go and set each level to the maximum undervolt (200) you half to see what works. Increasing the processor speed is overclocking, stock speed is 1000 so anything over that is over clocked. As far as how far as how far you can over clock depends mostly on 2 things, 1. the kernel your using, ( for example if it shows 1300 in the list that means thats all that specific kernel supports) 2. It varys greatly between phones. For example with glitch you can overclock to 1700 but very few phones can run that high for longer than a few minutes!
Hope that helps.
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Yes.. And the fact you say your running glitch and your max oc is only 1300 my guess is you broke your kernel with tegrak overclocks module.. Delete tegrak and stop downloading overclock apps. or any other root app unless you know fully the consequences first.. If after deleting tegrak, and rebooting, if your voltage control don't show a maximum clock of 1700 mhz, then you will need to reflash your glitch kernel
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Neh4pres,
Yeah, I kind of feel like a heel. For some reason, I had a brain fart when looking in the 'General' section of Voltage Control. I see now how to overclock.
Regarding ost #6:
When I flashed MIUI 1.9.16, I did not install any kernel; so it was kind of a half truth in that while running 1.9.9 I did have Glitch installd. Nevertheless, I still have Voltage Control installed.
mkropf,
I see that now, and thought as such earlier, but needed some clarification.
Having so many issues with Glitch and 1.9.9, I'm hesitant to install Glitch, but interested to see if it runs better on the newer MIUI...
Thank you two for answering my newbie questions.
FJRSport said:
Neh4pres,
Yeah, I kind of feel like a heel. For some reason, I had a brain fart when looking in the 'General' section of Voltage Control. I see now how to overclock.
Regarding ost #6:
When I flashed MIUI 1.9.16, I did not install any kernel; so it was kind of a half truth in that while running 1.9.9 I did have Glitch installd. Nevertheless, I still have Voltage Control installed.
mkropf,
I see that now, and thought as such earlier, but needed some clarification.
Having so many issues with Glitch and 1.9.9, I'm hesitant to install Glitch, but interested to see if it runs better on the newer MIUI...
Thank you two for answering my newbie questions.
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There are no issues with glitch.. It is what I run.. Very smooth.. Just have to give your phone time to adjust and build cache
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Landscape
Re-installed Glitch v12 ML last night and have it overclocked @ 1,200 with no under-voltage...yet. Want to see any adverse effects.
I started at 1,300 and it locked up then rebooted within 5 minutes.
A concern I have is that now my phone will not Auto Rotate to Landscape even though I have Auto-Rotate 'on' in Settings.
I've scoured Sixstrings Glitch thread to no avail. Though it's not needed anymore, I also flashed the cleaning script just to see if it would make a difference.
Is there a work around or fix for this?
Make sure you're on the latest 9/15 version of the kernel. Anything before that will kill all of your phone's sensors.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1252871
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Make sure you're on the latest 9/15 version of the kernel. Anything before that will kill all of your phone's sensors.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1252871
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That was it. I had re-installed the older Glitch v12 that was already on my PC. Deleted them and downloaded the newer Glitch kernels to experiment with.
Thanks!
FJRSport said:
Re-installed Glitch v12 ML last night and have it overclocked @ 1,200 with no under-voltage...yet. Want to see any adverse effects.
I started at 1,300 and it locked up then rebooted within 5 minutes.
A concern I have is that now my phone will not Auto Rotate to Landscape even though I have Auto-Rotate 'on' in Settings.
I've scoured Sixstrings Glitch thread to no avail. Though it's not needed anymore, I also flashed the cleaning script just to see if it would make a difference.
Is there a work around or fix for this?
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under volting helps stability.. I use -50 for everything above 1ghz.. Your phone may vary
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OC & UV settings
neh4pres said:
under volting helps stability.. I use -50 for everything above 1ghz.. Your phone may vary
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Yeah, locking and rebooting was while using the older version of Glitch v12. With the 9/15 dated Glitch I'm at 1300 now with the following settings:
Deadline / ondemand
200 - 1300
1300 -25
1200 -25
1000 -50
800 -50
400 -75
200 -75
1.2GHz is the best I say if you want good battery with a higher frequency. 1.4GHz is the best for anyone who uses their phone alot. Samsung did add 1.2GHz overclock in their source.
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Back to running MIUI without Glitch.
Things that make you go, Hmmm?
For some reason, every time I accessed the keyboard for Google+, it hung, then froze, and 3 of the four times rebooted. The fourth time I needed to remove the battery to reboot. So I re-flashed MIUI 1.9.16 (effectively removing Glitch) and have 0 problems.
Bummer, I like Glitch too.
I'm in the same boat, however they redone the latest glitch merge and posted it last night so I'm thinking we'll be back in good times
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mkropf said:
I'm in the same boat, however they redone the latest glitch merge and posted it last night so I'm thinking we'll be back in good times
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are you using JT's 9/12 kernel?
if so...did you overclock it?
i'm on jt's 9/12 with miui 1.9.16 and wondering if I can / should overclock and undervolt it. I'm just trying to maximize battery life at this point.
Try the new glitch posted last night, it is fantastic.
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Try the new glitch posted last night, it is fantastic.
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what voltages are you running?
also for anyone..
is there any way to directly compare two kernels? like a test or something?
I can't decide between JT's 9/12 and the new glitch..
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what voltages are you running?
also for anyone..
is there any way to directly compare two kernels? like a test or something?
I can't decide between JT's 9/12 and the new glitch..
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You wouldn't want to use my voltages, I put everything way lower than anybody else does or recommends and am just lucky that it is stable for me but it causes the sleep of death for anyone else.
For comparison, just run JT's kernel for a bit and then flash glitch and try it... once you play with OC/UV and voodoo color you won't be able to go back. (you'll be able to but you'd have to be insane.)
Undervolting and profiles.
I have tried a crap ton of different undervolting setting, but none work
Also the profiles in set cpu don't seem to work for me. I have a few of them set and it always sits on the top one I need some guidence with both please!
Another thing my xda premium app isn't pushing my notafications yes its set
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Undervolting is a delicate process. It takes time to find the max undervolt that is stable. With that being said, try undervolting everything by the lowest amount which is -25mv. Check to see if that is stable. If so proceed to go further. Remember lower freq will typically undervolt farther than higher frequencies.
As far as profiles go your probably not using the priority values right. The higher priority is what determines which profile setcpu uses. So for instance if you want a safeguard against overheating, you could set the profile for when the cpu goes above 55C to throttle the processor way down. If you set this profile to 100(max) it will overide all other profiles at 98, 99, 75, 50...etc. Also this may be obvious to some but be sure to tick(enable) the profiles button. If thats not ticked then it doesnt matter how many profiles you have set up. It simply wont use them.
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Undervolting is a delicate process. It takes time to find the max undervolt that is stable. With that being said, try undervolting everything by the lowest amount which is -25mv. Check to see if that is stable. If so proceed to go further. Remember lower freq will typically undervolt farther than higher frequencies.
As far as profiles go your probably not using the priority values right. The higher priority is what determines which profile setcpu uses. So for instance if you want a safeguard against overheating, you could set the profile for when the cpu goes above 55C to throttle the processor way down. If you set this profile to 100(max) it will overide all other profiles at 98, 99, 75, 50...etc. Also this may be obvious to some but be sure to tick(enable) the profiles button. If thats not ticked then it doesnt matter how many profiles you have set up. It simply wont use them.
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When I was on alien rom, I tried 25 on all and it restarted after like a minute. What worked for me was 25 25,50,50,75,75,100 fromm bottom to top. I tried it with cm7 and total no go lol
Lemme tryi 25 on all and see what I get and I didn't know that. They all werent working, so I set them all to 100 lmao, I understand that now
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Aparently its been running 125,125,50,75,75,75,75bottom to top cm7 with 1.3 kernel.
It did restart a couple min ago randomly. Will keep posted
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Glad your getting some results. If it restarts even once it means at least one of your undervolted freq isn't stable. With your settings I would wager its in the uper freq considering your undervolt in the lower freq isn't too extreme. You might try decreasing the undervolt for your upper freq to -50 -50 -50 starting at the top. Might help to stabilize bc higher freq just require more voltage. If that proves to be stable continue trying to reduce the lower freq as much as possible. Mainly bc if you set your profiles right(screen off is the most important really) your phone will spend the majority of its time on the 200mhz freq. Thus the more undervolt on that freq should theoretically give the most benefit from undervolting. This is just all from personal experience. I'm no guru. Just spent way too much time adjusting voltages on phones . And of course having the upper freq undervolted as much as possible cant hurt either.
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Glad your getting some results. If it restarts even once it means at least one of your undervolted freq isn't stable. With your settings I would wager its in the uper freq considering your undervolt in the lower freq isn't too extreme. You might try decreasing the undervolt for your upper freq to -50 -50 -50 starting at the top. Might help to stabilize bc higher freq just require more voltage. If that proves to be stable continue trying to reduce the lower freq as much as possible. Mainly bc if you set your profiles right(screen off is the most important really) your phone will spend the majority of its time on the 200mhz freq. Thus the more undervolt on that freq should theoretically give the most benefit from undervolting. This is just all from personal experience. I'm no guru. Just spent way too much time adjusting voltages on phones . And of course having the upper freq undervolted as much as possible cant hurt either.
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25,50,50,50,50,75,75
Still getting a reboot:'(
Only good thing about the reboot is it turns on instantly
PROFILES CONFIRMED WORKING trying to indwrvolt this thing
I think I'm gonna order another battery too bc this one isn't getting the 16 hours it was, I cant say much bc I'm screwing with the settings hardcore xD I will show.all settings in a sec
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Put blah there so it would post lol. Also going to download a stress test or quadrent thing to test the stress and find maximum uv
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Undervolting COMPLETE=D
QUAD SCORE! OCED 1.3 CM7
Right now I'm thinking my battery life is going to be amazig and if I turned the data off when not using it... omg I would last like 2 straight days prolly=D
So pumped to test everything morrow!!
Side note:800mhz or above wont go past 75 >:/
Had really important question to ask you but forgot
Also tried putting 215 to 275 that was a no go lol. My question was is there a battery manager and info like the stock one for cm7?!!!
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Smittyzz said:
Undervolting COMPLETE=D
QUAD SCORE! OCED 1.3 CM7
Right now I'm thinking my battery life is going to be amazig and if I turned the data off when not using it... omg I would last like 2 straight days prolly=D
So pumped to test everything morrow!!
Side note:800mhz or above wont go past 75 >:/
Had really important question to ask you but forgot
Also tried putting 215 to 275 that was a no go lol. My question was is there a battery manager and info like the stock one for cm7?!!!
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well my battery was draining mad quick so I am not overclocking It anymore unless I want to show off or play games lol, lost 20% in one hour. Now its stable and undervolted
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First off, regarding SetCpu and over / undercloking, dev has said it'll only underclock/overclock ONE core at a time. It's a bug and he's working on it from what I understand. If both cores are needed to be in use at the same time, no over / underclocking will be applied. Secondly, profiles work as they should in SetCpu, so that's a problem on your end. Third, the undervolting can't be more than 100mv differnce between jumps. See screen shot.
http://www.multiupload.com/YUK0KPXZLJ
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First off, regarding SetCpu and over / undercloking, dev has said it'll only underclock/overclock ONE core at a time. It's a bug and he's working on it from what I understand. If both cores are needed to be in use at the same time, no over / underclocking will be applied. Secondly, profiles work as they should in SetCpu, so that's a problem on your end. Third, the undervolting can't be more than 100mv differnce between jumps. See screen shot.
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I understand the 100 thing and I got the undervolting and profiles done. I hope he gets both cores supported soon and thank you dmfor the reply
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Yea Im skeptical about not setcpu not having support for dual cores... Did some searching on the net and couldnt find anything to support that. As far as not the tegra 2 not being able to do over 100mv jumps. That's not true. My lowest frequency is 600mv (-150) and my next frequency is at 750mv. That's a 150mv difference right there... And I'm completely stable. Its entirely dependent on your processor. They are all different and respond differently to undervolting. You just have to find what works for you. Generally though the lesser the jumps in voltage will give you more stability.
a good kernal helps too im useing faux123 v2.0 0C1.3 its undervolts quite well
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Ever since I got my hands on MIUI and the Glitch ML kernel, I've been amazed at the undervolt results I've been able to achieve.
I assume I'm not the only one messing around with their voltage settings, nor am I the only one doing so on the Glitch kernel.
Question is, how low can you go? My settings are in my signature, but how far have the rest of you Glitch folk been able to go using the ML or LL kernels? Post your results below!
For myself, I'm currently testing out the low end of the spectrum, seeing how low I can get the 100mhz and 200mhz range and still be stable. Even using 200/100 as my Screen Off profile. I never get sleep of death with Glitch ML.
Either no one reads the General forums, or few people care much for battery savings. Oh well.
It's not that, the lower the volts, the slower the phone. I'm undervolt; games lag
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Why would undervolting lag the phone? I'm undervolting, not underclocking. Games I play are as snappy as they've ever been.
It depends on phone i cant go under 25 my other vibrant could go -200 on 100mhz
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I installed the webtop over hdmi mod on my Atrix and while testing it out, it got very warm in my hand. I opened the setcpu app and noticed that while overclocked to 1.3GHz, the CPU was running at 75C! I lowered it back down to the stock 1GHz and the temp slowly went down and settled at 63C.
It seems that while in webtop mode, the CPU is taxed at 100% all the time so I'm wondering if it's safe to stay overclocked when using webtop.
Everyone has different opinions of what is too hot around here.
IMO the cooler the better. IMI No Atrix should have a temp above 60c and I'm not even comfortable with above 50c either...
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I have experienced the same problem and worried that something may fry.... I have had mine overclocked at 1.45 using debian linux and all of a suddent he phone freezes and restarts.... Since it did it to me the second time I have kept my phone at 1Ghz... I am new at this so please don't beat me up too bad for being a noob... Just want to see if maybe undervolting it a little might help or hurt it?
Thanks in advance
Here are some tips I can offer
1.Try re-flashing your custom kernel and see if that fixes the web-top thing and over heating
Whenever the phone is plugged to the web-top it will naturally overheat so it's kinda expected remember now it's gotta work harder since its displaying on lap-dock or TV,but if you can cook an egg on it it might be too hot...lol
2.Set profile for temperature on setcpu so this way once you reach for example 100F your phone will clock down a little and so it might help the heat issue.You can set even more than one temp profile so this way when it reaches 96 it goes down a little then when it reaches 100 it will clock down a little more and such.
3.If that doesn't help,which in my situation it did.Flash a different kernel mayb it's just the one you're using that is causing funny stuff to happen.
Edit: not sure but i think undervolting helps battery but causes more heat,I myself don't undervolt I just created litterally a bunch of setcpu profiles for battery level,screen off,incall,charging,temp,and time and I'm getting 13 hour days at 1.3Ghz and temp profiles have been helping by clocking down when it's too hot therefore saving battery and drastic overheating.I dontlike my phone going anything over 104F it gets me paranoid,but that's just me.
I tried reflashing the kernel but it didn't change anything. I'm using Faux's 1.3GHz overclock kernel for Gingerbread (2.6.32.9). Is there something else I should be using?
sk8trix said:
Edit: not sure but i think undervolting helps battery but causes more heat,I myself don't undervolt I just created litterally a bunch of setcpu profiles for battery level,screen off,incall,charging,temp,and time and I'm getting 13 hour days at 1.3Ghz and temp profiles have been helping by clocking down when it's too hot therefore saving battery and drastic overheating.I dontlike my phone going anything over 104F it gets me paranoid,but that's just me.
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Do what sktrix said in rest of his post.
I use the stopgap 1.0GHz kernel, and UV does lower temperatures. I would definitely try UV'ing a wee bit. You don't need to go crazy. I am using the following with great results for both temp and battery life:
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My setcpu profile clocks it back if I reach 60C, (I idle in the low to mid 30's). Under heavy load I reach around 52C max which is quite acceptable.
Now, granted I am not using Webtop, but the end result for UV should be the same. Lower temps and better battery life. You may also want to try just using 1.0GHz when on Webtop. The phone has more than enough power at this clock speed.
There is a bug with faux's kernel that causes the webtop to clock the phone at max speeds until restart.
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I know I'm straying from my correct forums here, however I have an LG Optimus 2X which like the Atrix, is a Tegra 2 CPU.
Our phones get VERY hot, I have had my CPU up to 86C before I decided to back off the stress test. CPUs are very good at handling high temperatures, and IMO you will see no ill effects from doing so, I am unsure of whether or not the Tegra 2 has thermal throttling/shut down, but in my experience they should be fine to around 80C.
The only issue I can forsee is the battery, batteries HATE high temperatures and it is awful for their life span, this is why your laptop batteries turn to crap after 1-2 years, even if low charge cycles, because they are always hot.
I would not be concerned about anything in the 70C realm, at all.
Alcapone263 said:
There is a bug with faux's kernel that causes the webtop to clock the phone at max speeds until restart.
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Experienced this countless times. More with the latest 1.45Ghz, but it did happen on the previous release. When I dopped the mhz with setcpu, it wont scale but stay at max cpu. It even did it a few times without using the webtop.
g2tegg said:
Experienced this countless times. More with the latest 1.45Ghz, but it did happen on the previous release. When I dopped the mhz with setcpu, it wont scale but stay at max cpu. It even did it a few times without using the webtop.
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So which overclocked kernel is best for webtop? I too have noticed where the CPU hangs at 100% at 1.45Ghz for a while when disconnected but it is always there when im in webtop mode.... How is Faux 1.3Ghz kernel with webtop?
ericemir said:
So which overclocked kernel is best for webtop? I too have noticed where the CPU hangs at 100% at 1.45Ghz for a while when disconnected but it is always there when im in webtop mode.... How is Faux 1.3Ghz kernel with webtop?
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It will still hang at 1.3ghz, though it's a known bug. I just stick with the 1.0 enhanced, there's no noticeable real-world difference from going over 1.0ghz anyway, it's just a benchmark gimmick. Right now, the software that's out there is optimized to run on existing hardware w/o overclocks. I've run Shadowgun at 1.45ghz and didn't see any difference over the 1.0 enhanced.
Now, if we were trying to run games that were coded specifically or faster-paced chipsets then we'd need overclocking to catch up much like you would in the PC arena. That, however, is not happening in the cell phone market just yet.
treehumper said:
I just stick with the 1.0 enhanced, there's no noticeable real-world difference from going over 1.0ghz anyway, it's just a benchmark gimmick.
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What's the advantage to running a custom kernel if you're not overclocking? Forgive me if this is a stupid question lol. Still a noob.
cjrhoades said:
What's the advantage to running a custom kernel if you're not overclocking? Forgive me if this is a stupid question lol. Still a noob.
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Bump.
Anyone?
cjrhoades said:
Bump.
Anyone?
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Read the history at the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15387385&postcount=1
You will see a lot more optimization than just upping the clock speed. One of the reasons the 1.0GHz kernel works much better than the stock kernel. Also, the ability to undervolt saving battery life.
IMO there is no need for 1.3GHz or 1.45GHz in everyday use of a phone. The only benefit is for OC'ing bragging rights. Until we can control phone temperatures better, it's pointless to risk the substantial heat increase on ALL internal components for extended periods of time which results from much increased CPU temperatures.
CaelanT said:
Read the history at the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15387385&postcount=1
You will see a lot more optimization than just upping the clock speed. One of the reasons the 1.0GHz kernel works much better than the stock kernel. Also, the ability to undervolt saving battery life.
IMO there is no need for 1.3GHz or 1.45GHz in everyday use of a phone. The only benefit is for OC'ing bragging rights. Until we can control phone temperatures better, it's pointless to risk the substantial heat increase on ALL internal components for extended periods of time which results from much increased CPU temperatures.
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I see... guess that explains why the phone doesn't really feel any faster when it's overclocked. I'll flash the 1GHz kernel then.
Thanks for the info.
Not sure if this is the same with phones but normally a CPU should stay at 40C idle and 50C load. Maximum would be 60C while benching or something.
If it goes above that I would definitely underclock/undervolt.
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what's the advantage to running a custom kernel if you're not overclocking? Forgive me if this is a stupid question lol. Still a noob.
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also has other fixes besides overclocking you can go read them in the kernel threads
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/overclock-android-device,review-1762.html#xtor=RSS-998
Opinions from people who really know? I can't imagine that overclocking increases battery life.
It doesn't. At least from my understanding. In fact as I understand it running at higher clock speeds would decrease your battery life no? I usually under clock, so...
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The theory is that overclocking allows you to complete processes quicker, which in turn allows the processor to go back to a idle/deep sleep faster. In practice it doesn't really work that way though.
ryude said:
The theory is that overclocking allows you to complete processes quicker, which in turn allows the processor to go back to a idle/deep sleep faster. In practice it doesn't really work that way though.
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doesn't the increase in voltage also come into effect?
They did talk a little about undervolting to increase battery life. Personally I don't worry about it. I'm not using my phone to sort out heavy algorithims at the moment, so running how it does is fast enough for what I use it at. Just found the article interesting.
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doesn't the increase in voltage also come into effect?
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They say the undervolting on lower clocks should balance out the higher voltage on overclocks.
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They did talk a little about undervolting to increase battery life. Personally I don't worry about it. I'm not using my phone to sort out heavy algorithims at the moment, so running how it does is fast enough for what I use it at. Just found the article interesting.
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Undervolting rarely makes a difference on mobile SoC's, but on the desktop/laptop CPUs you can really save a ton of power with undervolting and underclocking.
Why to overclock and understand it?
Here is a good reason to know what you are doing..
and the battery avg's lasting at least through the day, but most of the time, I have a charger near me...
EDITED: because it won't accept my screenshots HTML Probably cause I have n00b status on this account name.
AnTuTu Benchmark v.2.8
Total Score: 7446
RAM: 1201
CPU Int: 2264
CPU Float: 1767
2D: 295
3D: 1148
Database: 450
SD W 11.8MB 118
SD R >50MB 203
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2012-05-23 18:17
You can view this SN here: Screenshot
Fluxi Kernel/My own OOM settings/AOKP/my own XXTweaker settings
The article says its not the actual overclocking that is saving battery life. When you put SetCPU on your phone not only can you overlock but you can underclock and set different voltages. I'm not 100% sure how the voltages play into it but you can set the processor to run at really low speeds during certain acts ei. when the screen is off, or any other time you don't necessarily need alot of power. That's and I changed all the voltages (I got them from a post where the guy knew what he was doing and tested them). I get almost 2 days moderate browsing, apps and text. If I talk alot or use my hotspot I only get 1.5 days. It is a little time consuming to get everything just right but when you do you really see it.
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The article says its not the actual overclocking that is saving battery life. When you put SetCPU on your phone not only can you overlock but you can underclock and set different voltages.
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This isn't a SetCpu feature there are other programs that can do this as well. It just so happens SetCpu has it built into the program. I bought SetCpu back in my Atrix days and loved it so it does work great for a simple tuning program.
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Many of the kernels these days have their own tweaks and mod apps as well
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I'm running a kernerl and a custom ROM that allows me to underclock and overclock.
I tried it out both ways and the battery lasted for almost the same amount as on the stock option. As I tend to play games a lot on my phone, the underclocking ran into some issues with stuttering and sometimes force close of a couple of games.
Personally, I've never been a big fan of either .