I was wondering if either the Nook Tablet or the Kindle Fire would be usable for international users? I don't really care much about their services and stores, since I'd be sideloading APKs and content, and when it's available, also rooting and using new ROMs (hopefully ICS).
So does anyone have any insight? Or is it too soon to tell?
I would like to know too. For example, how much of the services are and aren't available outside the U.S.?
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STill a little new to this But I'm pretty sure there aren't any threads on this.
BUT My question is what is the difference between gappsmarket and appslib?
One of my reasons for asking is because there are some apps for instance like K-9 Mail that are o nboth markets but different versions. The one I have from Gapsmarket is version 3.4 and the one in appslib is Version 2.403.
So if anyone has any reasons or explanations for the differences It would be very much appreciated.
P.S. This is for the Archos 101
gapps market delivers the "real" android apps market hosted by Google. Odds are, it is going to have the most current versions of apps, since it is used by 99% of android users.
Appslib (along withGetJar, AndroLib, etc.) are secondary markets that were set up by independent 3rd party's to deliver apps to:
a. people who can't access the official market (like non-hacked tablet owners)
b. people who want apps not found in the official market (like porn & questionably legal stuff)
c. people who bought an android device from a manufacturer that wants to limit what the user can have access to.
The 3rd party markets are usually updated slower & have less selection b/c the app developer so where most of the customers are first, and some may decide that the 3rd party market support is too much trouble.
It is like the delivery truck rolls into a small town & drops off 100 cases of batteries to WalMart. Then they have to hunt down the one mom-and-pop store in town, set up an account, do the paperwork , and then sell them 1 case (because that is all they can use/sell). Who would you deal with first?!?
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strongergravity said:
gapps market delivers the "real" android apps market hosted by Google. Odds are, it is going to have the most current versions of apps, since it is used by 99% of android users.
Appslib (along withGetJar, AndroLib, etc.) are secondary markets that were set up by independent 3rd party's to deliver apps to:
a. people who can't access the official market (like non-hacked tablet owners)
b. people who want apps not found in the official market (like porn & questionably legal stuff)
c. people who bought an android device from a manufacturer that wants to limit what the user can have access to.
The 3rd party markets are usually updated slower & have less selection b/c the app developer so where most of the customers are first, and some may decide that the 3rd party market support is too much trouble.
It is like the delivery truck rolls into a small town & drops off 100 cases of batteries to WalMart. Then they have to hunt down the one mom-and-pop store in town, set up an account, do the paperwork , and then sell them 1 case (because that is all they can use/sell). Who would you deal with first?!?
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Thanks Man appreciate it. Was just curious but that clears things up a lot.
That's why i'm here...to learn for myself & pass it on to others. That's what XDA is all about.
Yeah I know this site has helped a lot with everything. I joined when I got the HTC hd 2 then switched to the evo. Very helpful.
Its made my Eris a much nicer device, too!
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There is another reason why certain tablet manufacturers like Archos do not provide Google apps like Android Market. I was told by an Archos tech support specialist that the A101 is not Android certified. It does not have all the required hardware features like a compass in order to pass certification and thus access officially to the Google Android marketplace. The A101 also does not have Adobe Flash Player certification yet.
Hi, i want to buy the new nook tablet but i have some doubts....
1)first of all in italy i can't use the store of barnes & noble and , if i'm not wrong, i can't use the wi-fi ..... so the os is "blocked".
With the root could i use more functions like google market, some google apps, load my documents, musics or films?
2)I know that for the nook color was realeased the CM rom and i also know that nook tablet is a recent tablet... in your opinion will developers focus their attention on this tablet with some stable rom?
I would wait to see if the bootloader is hacked for the tablet. give it a month and if its not hacked go with the nook color, or something else.
you can't use wifi? why not?
I'm italian and I have purchased a nook tablet with the hope that the bootloader will be unlocked. For the moment I've rooted the device and installed the android market and some other apps. The wifi works normally.
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Thank you for the help now i can only hope that it will be hacked, otherwise I'll buy color or a kindle fire
If you're willing to spend $100 more, consider the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7+ (Bestbuy US.) I'm in Canada and I picked up the NT when down in the States, kind of regretting it now, especially since I left the receipt at the hotel. For $100 you get a camera, full android, with ICS coming etc.
yes, galaxy tab is one of the best tablet.. but i don't know if i want to spend about 350$ ( in italy about 490 €). if there isn't a solution for the bootloader problem, i think that i will buy the kindle fire or the nook color.
The problem is that nook color have a "slow" processor and the kindle fire have only 8GB of memory(6GB for files app ecc).
EDIT: an other small question: if the root give the chance to install the market, the google apps, to load musics, documents, films, use all the 16 GB and not only 1GB, why we have to hack the boot loader? sorry for this question but i'm a newbie
sorry for the reply, can someone answer to my last question pls?
The reason we want an unlocked bootloader is so that we can install roms based on HC and ICS. but we cant work on roms becuase the bootloader is locked which means the kerenel cant be changed to anything newer then then gingerbread kernel.
It looks like the Droid DNA is going to have Amazon software baked into the OS.
http://phandroid.com/2012/11/13/verizon-preloading-amazon-ecosystem-on-android-devices/
Does anyone know if Verizon's version of the Note 2 will have this?
I read an article about the new release of Ubuntu that baked the Amazon into the search.
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/09/ubuntu-bakes-amazon-search-results-into-os-to-raise-cash/
Looking at the Odin dump that is in the Development section, there is Amazon software bundled with the phone, but I don't know if it is the same as what the DNA has or not. Until both phones are in the wild and you can compare system dumps, it will be hard to tell.
Can't you freeze those apps?
Good question. We will have to see. Hopefully you can control how search results work for you. After all Android is all about making it work for you the way you want it. What I don't want is if I am searching for something unrelated to buying stuff on Amazon and yet get bunch of search results from Amazon.
In having the Google Play Store within these devices with Amazon's ecosystem, this is all about how Google feelings about this. I know Google doesn't want competition when it comes to ecosystems. But I know that Google doesn't want to cut it's own throat by leaving Google Play Store from Verizon's (biggest carrier) Android devices. So my money is in that both ecosystems will be in Verizon's Samsung Galaxy Note 2.
For me as long as I can manage how search works for me and allow full control and access to both ecosystems I don't mind. For me I use both ecosystems on my Android right now.
It would be cool to have an Amazon app to watch videos from Amazon. Way cool!
I really missed the UI of stock Android, but after rooting and installing Smart Launcher, the UI is manageable, and you can barely tell the difference. I do miss Google Play Services, is there a way to get it on Apollo? Other than there, is there any other advantages to using custom ROMs? I'm not too keen on having to delete and redownload all my apps, not to mention I will loose the few Amazon eBooks I downloaded while on Prime forever. (not that I read them a lot, but if I ever wanted to...)
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miketh2005 said:
I really missed the UI of stock Android, but after rooting and installing Smart Launcher, the UI is manageable, and you can barely tell the difference. I do miss Google Play Services, is there a way to get it on Apollo? Other than there, is there any other advantages to using custom ROMs? I'm not too keen on having to delete and redownload all my apps, not to mention I will loose the few Amazon eBooks I downloaded while on Prime forever. (not that I read them a lot, but if I ever wanted to...)
Thanks!
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A custom rom frees you from the restrictions imposed by FireOS and Amazon. Your HDX will look and perform much like a 'pure' Android device (think Nexus 7). Google Play services and all associated apps work as intended with no compromises. The books you purchased from Amazon can be read/downloaded using the Android Kindle Reader app. Most apps you purchased from the Amazon store can be restored if you install the Amazon Store app along side the Google Play Store app (they don't conflict).
Downside of a custom rom is the time, effort and risk you assume preparing your device to accept something other than FireOS. The magnitude of each is determined by your skill set and the version of FireOS currently on your device. While generalizations are dangerous I would categorize most of the work as 'moderate'. You probably won't complete it in an evening or two and will need to do a fair amount of reading up front to understand the process and pitfalls.
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A custom rom frees you from the restrictions imposed by FireOS and Amazon. Your HDX will look and perform much like a 'pure' Android device (think Nexus 7). Google Play services and all associated apps work as intended with no compromises. The books you purchased from Amazon can be read/downloaded using the Android Kindle Reader app. Most apps you purchased from the Amazon store can be restored if you install the Amazon Store app along side the Google Play Store app (they don't conflict).
Downside of a custom rom is the time, effort and risk you assume preparing your device to accept something other than FireOS. The magnitude of each is determined by your skill set and the version of FireOS currently on your device. While generalizations are dangerous I would categorize most of the work as 'moderate'. You probably won't complete it in an evening or two and will need to do a fair amount of reading up front to understand the process and pitfalls.
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Thanks! I didn't know you can still do Amazon eBooks and apps. I put a custom ROM on my original Kindle Fire which only took maybe an hour, is it really that much harder that it take 3 evenings to complete? Is the performance a lot better without FireOS? I never owned a Nexus 7.
miketh2005 said:
Thanks! I didn't know you can still do Amazon eBooks and apps. I put a custom ROM on my original Kindle Fire which only took maybe an hour, is it really that much harder that it take 3 evenings to complete? Is the performance a lot better without FireOS? I never owned a Nexus 7.
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It may take less time if you have prior experience. Amazon hardened HDX devices making them harder to modify. Most steps are manual; there are no click-to-fix utilities. Performance with a custom ROM will be comparable to FireOS; battery life will likely be better. The primary benefit is improved user experience and access to Google services.
What version of FireOS are you currently running? That will determine your options should you choose to proceed.
We are looking for a custom ROM on either Alcatel pixi 4 7" tablet or Archos Kodak 7" to enable us to lockdown the tablet or restrict the OS so that only certain apps and settings are available to the end user. As the tablets we use are budget and not widely used, not sure if there is anything out their that fits the bill. Would be keen if any android developers out there are interested, to have a chat if they feel they might be able to help.
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We are looking for a custom ROM on either Alcatel pixi 4 7" tablet or Archos Kodak 7" to enable us to lockdown the tablet or restrict the OS so that only certain apps and settings are available to the end user. As the tablets we use are budget and not widely used, not sure if there is anything out their that fits the bill. Would be keen if any android developers out there are interested, to have a chat if they feel they might be able to help.
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Have you been able to get any rooted/rootable ROM to run on one? I used Cyanogen and Lineage when it came about to do relatively the same using a ROM that was not particularly designed to, just capable. What I did in their case was to install the base OS without GAPS (No play store) side loaded all that was relevant, and then locked the devices communications down with AFWall+ or DroidWall. Once you have that done it is not bullet proof, but it is unintentional tamper proof.
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Have you been able to get any rooted/rootable ROM to run on one? I used Cyanogen and Lineage when it came about to do relatively the same using a ROM that was not particularly designed to, just capable. What I did in their case was to install the base OS without GAPS (No play store) side loaded all that was relevant, and then locked the devices communications down with AFWall+ or DroidWall. Once you have that done it is not bullet proof, but it is unintentional tamper proof.
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Thanks so much for replying. This whole process is relatively new to us and we haven't yet explored the options described to me(nor do we know how or some of the terminology you have used) Would you be interested in getting on a short call to discuss further?