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Why would HTC not put a standard micro usb port on this phone? I didn't realize until i had the phone at home or i may not have bought it. I have several useless cables now. Love the phone, Hate the charging port!
Most phones are geared for standard micro USB now. My moto miscro usb charger works on the Rezound, and so pretty much every cable I own does. So your problem is?
I never even tried to use one of my old chargers. the one that comes with the phone has that weird slit and looks totally different. i just assumed that they were different. I will have to try it out.
Havn't gotten my Rezound yet, but if it's anything like the Touch Pro 2. The stock adapter provides 1A of power and has a notch in it to prevent you from using that charger on anything unworthy.
Any Micro USB will work
I have a Touch Pro 2 and it took me 2 years to realize I could use a standard Mini-USB cable with it. I repaired and rebuilt my original USB cable when I could have just used one of the hundreds of regular ones lying around.
Point: I brought a standard micro-usb cable to the VZW store and made sure it worked in the Rezound before I bought it. It fits perfectly.
IMO HTC makes these ports this way so they can sell the HDMI adapter and other accessories and since they hold the patent on the plug shape they wont have any competition and it will be very difficult for hackers to reengineer a standard cable.
I hope this helps,
Dan
Why can people not search? This has been discussed. It is an mhl port. Your microusb chargers will work fine. And to the person who suggested patents, run a Google search. It isn't a proprietary HTC plug. The galaxy s II has the same port. Monoprice sells an adapter for $10. It is easy for companies to make 3rd party cables.
cveez11 said:
I never even tried to use one of my old chargers. the one that comes with the phone has that weird slit and looks totally different. i just assumed that they were different. I will have to try it out.
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I hope it works for you!
IMHO this MHL situation ROCKS. Micro USB is so fragile. In fact, my wife's DINC's port is all slutted out and barely works anymore. This MHL connector is longer and tougher than Micro USB and you get a solid 'click' when you insert the connector. Seems much more solid and reliable than any other design I've seen yet. Backwards compat with Micro USB is just icing.
-M
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In fact, my wife's DINC's port is all slutted out and barely works anymore.
-M
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Quote of the week right there lol.
ROFLMAO
10 char
I thought the same thing until I just tried my old charger and it works fine.
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I knew it was micro USB compatible instantly. My old Incredible has the same port
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con247 said:
Why can people not search? This has been discussed. It is an mhl port. Your microusb chargers will work fine. And to the person who suggested patents, run a Google search. It isn't a proprietary HTC plug. The galaxy s II has the same port. Monoprice sells an adapter for $10. It is easy for companies to make 3rd party cables.
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I love Monoprice.
The Rezound has a very interesting Micro-USB port that seems to have the outer shape similar to Mini-USB, but with the Micro-USB guts. The cable that comes with the phone has a rectangular plug that seems a bit longer and fits perfectly into the phone's jack. In fact, its amazing... to get the phone connected to it, you have to push the connector in until it 'clicks' into place - very solid.
My wife's DINC suffers from a slutted-out socket that now barely works anymore due to the standard Micro-USB design that seems pretty fragile. Even though a standard Micro-USB fits into the Rezound's unique socket, it doesn't have the solid feel that the OEM version has.
Does anyone know what this newer style connector is called? I would like to find a couple more cables that are longer and feel that by using this type of connector, the Rezound's port should last the life of the phone.
Thanks in advance!!!
-M
It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
Thanks dude...
A normal microUSB cable will still get the job done. It's just put in the reverse as it is on the Incredible. The tabs need to be facing up. I got 3 OEM HTC microUSB cables off ebay for like $7 bucks shipped. And the odd shaped end is probably some proprietary HTC connector, same as they had with the HeroCDMA with the miniUSB.
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It's an MHL plug and there is more info in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1356346
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No, it's a micro-A USB receptacle that supports MHL. There's a difference.
I would rather have the MHL cable... Feels more secure when plugged in..
Has anyone been able to find one on the internet or in store?
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yeah the security of the MHL cable is worth not using a standard micro USB. for instance when you're using a car charger w/ a standard micro USB, the cable can tug a bit on the connector(depending on length of cable, placement of phone) and cause it to come loose & stop charging... but with the micro A USB(MHL) it's nice & secure and you don't have to worry about that happening.
Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The really annoying thing about the cable that comes with the phone is that you can't use it with any other micro-A/B USB ports. They seem to have intentionally shipped a cable that you can only use with this device, even though the device itself will take any micro USB plug. Thanks, HTC!
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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The incredible will charge with the shipped Rezound charger, granted it's got the same port. I've been using my Thunderbolt charger, kindle charger and now BB charger while at work. All get the job done.
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I did say that any other micro USB cable would work on the phone. I have a charger from every blackberry I ever owned, the Inc charger, and a couple miscellaneous cables lying around. It's just that the one that comes with the Rezound now has to go in its own special pile of cables (all by itself) because I can't use it with any other devices. Did not try with the old phone, though. Interesting that you say HTC's physical mods to the micro USB port are the same on the Inc and Rezound, yet the Rezound ships with a proprietary cable and my Inc came with a standard micro USB plug. I'll check when I get home.
it does seem at least that yes, any microUSB cable will work with the Rezound for both charging it and connecting it to your PC.
for the most part, you really only need the MHL support if you plan on going through HDMI out, which you'd then need an MHL/HDMI adapter cable anyway.
the only benefit to the cable that comes with the Rezound is the "snug fit" bit. whereas, it'd be nice if they had a car charger with the exact same micro A USB end to it as i find that all standard micro USB car chargers aren't as snug and depending on phone placement/movement, the connection can get a bit 'loose' and sometime stop charging.
i used to use this motorola car charger but because of how the cable pulled, the connection would constantly come loose unless i used tape to hold it in place.
It's not an MHL port. It's HTC's proprietary ExtMicro-USB port first seen with the HTC Flyer. An MHL port is a standard 5pin Micro-USB A/B port that detects when an MHL adapter is used, and uses those same 5 pins to support HDMI output. If you look at MHL ports on phones like the Evo 4G and Galaxy S II, they are indistinguishable physically from standard Micro-USB B ports. HTC's ExtMicro-USB is compatible with 5pin Micro-USB cables and 5pin MHL adapters. In fact, if you look at the HTC MHL adapter, it's shaped like a standard Micro-USB plug and only has 5 pins. What's different about ExtMicro-USB is that it has some extra pins compared to standard Micro-USB and MHL. I believe it has 6 extra pins, for a total of 11 pins. Those 6 extra pins are not used for MHL, for the reasons stated above. I'm not certain what those pins are used for, but if it's the same as the older ExtUSB (which is compatible with Mini-USB), then those extra pins are used for analog audio output, for use with stereo headsets, etc.
Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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Why would they send you a cable for anything other then the phone #dumb.
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The cable IS for the phone. You can use it to charge and sync. But the PORT can also be used to hookup an MHL adapter for HDMI output. That is IN ADDITION to charging or syncing via USB. The cable that comes with the phone just has a different connector yet is backwards compatable with any regular micro-USB cable.
I'm not sure why this is so confusing to people.
That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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That being said...
Has anyone found a part number or where to buy cables with the non-standard connector?
I have plenty of micro-usb cables, and yes, they do work fine, but I am not confortable with how loose they are. WAY too much play. This especially worries me in the car.
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Yea I have been trying to find this too. I was sent the Rezound as a CLNR for my Charge so I didn't even get the original USB cable that comes with the phone when you buy it. Sure the micro-usb cables work, but they feel pretty loose compared to other phones that are designed for micro-usb specifically.
ok guys this is NOT an MHL cable. as said before there is nothing special at all about it besides that it is a snugger fit. any micro usb will work with MHL and you still need the converter.
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Anybody have a part number for the OEM cable or best case know where to order it
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It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
dabomb697 said:
It took some digging but here it is http://www.wirelessground.com/htcm400.html
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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thanks. I will have to check this one it out but HTC is kind of jerking our chain with the part number. Turns out they used to same part number on all their later model cables. I ordered 3 different HTC OEM cables and they do work for charging and data but none of them had the snug snap-in feel as the one that came with the phone.
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I know what you mean. I put the part number in and the one that came with the Inc kept coming up. This one looks like it has the same shape as the one that comes with the Rezound.
it seems that some people on the forum say they have a standard micro USB connector on the Flyer??? and most of the ebay sellers list standard micro usb products for the HTC Flyer
MY connection is a proprietary one - it looks like a micro usb but has a 'step' in it
like this one...zoom in on the picture
http://www.expansys.com.au/htc-flyer-data-cable-dc-t500-extmicro-usb-12pin-white-209995/
wtf is going on?
Try it, you will like it, except for charging.............
try what? what will i like? what about the charging?
off the shelf micro usb works fine.
The proprietary style is only for charging
If u have a micro usb cable then u have to put it in the opposite way. Like this
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It's a generic micro USB connection. The extra's is just that, extra. And not mandatory. I read somewhere (could be here, could be somewhere else) that they made the different connector so you wouldn't use the charger on a device that can't handle the power. But you can use any micro USB cable to connect the device to your PC. And you can even use any micro USB charger, but you'll need a lot of patience as it'll take a long, long time!
While you can use a standard micro USB cable, I have heard it would be better to use the HTC one because it will stay in better. I have used a standard one just fine, but the HTC one does hold in better IMO.
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If u have a micro usb cable then u have to put it in the opposite way. Like this
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Its both proprietary AND standard. As vj092887 said, you insert the micro-USB male plug "upside-down" from how you would on most HTC devices. And it plugs into the "bottom half" of the jack. All this is in respect to the tablet laying flat, with the screen facing up.
If you use the included charger or sync cable, it takes up the "whole" jack. Sync doesn't really make a difference. But the included charger is much faster than standard HTC Micro-USB chargers.
jeebus on a swizzle stick, only after reading this did i actually shove a standard micro usb into it and i'll be damned.....
thanks guys
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jeebus on a swizzle stick, only after reading this did i actually shove a standard micro usb into it and i'll be damned.....
thanks guys
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Shortly after I got my Flyer, I was at work and wanted to connect it to my laptop. And realized I had left my (HTC) cable at home, sticking in my PC there. I was also kind of disappointed as I had bought the flyer specifically because you could use a micro USB cable!
So, I thought, well, why not try it and see if it fits. And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ), I got lucky this time and found it fitted
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Shortly after I got my Flyer, I was at work and wanted to connect it to my laptop. And realized I had left my (HTC) cable at home, sticking in my PC there. I was also kind of disappointed as I had bought the flyer specifically because you could use a micro USB cable!
So, I thought, well, why not try it and see if it fits. And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ), I got lucky this time and found it fitted
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USB cables tend to go in the right way on the third try!
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And as I generally always first try to stick a cable in upside down (don't ask me why, even if I think about it, I'll try it upside down first ),
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i NEVER put in cables upside down (because i always put a little dot on the top side of the connector using nail polish...you can use liquid paper for a more 'manly' experience)
Is there a source for an innexpensive extra cable? I've been using a standard micro USB and it works but feels very loose compared to the official HTC cable that came with my flyer.
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If you mean with a HTC style power connector, no, that's for charging only. For data cables Ebay or Amazon has them for about $1 each.
DigitalMD said:
If you mean with a HTC style power connector, no, that's for charging only. For data cables Ebay or Amazon has them for about $1 each.
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I wouldnt buy those generic cables from ebay/amazon etc they are poorly made and can either break off in your device, break off the connector on the device, or short out.. I highly recommend getting either Motorola or HTC OEM cables. They cost $2 - $5 but its worth it.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SKN5...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1323629211&sr=1-1
Does this mean that the MHL adapter with 5 pins will work (standard Micro USB), and I don't need the 12 pin MHL version (extMicro USB)?
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Does this mean that the MHL adapter with 5 pins will work (standard Micro USB), and I don't need the 12 pin MHL version (extMicro USB)?
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yes! but apparently it charges really slowly so microUSB is best left to data transfer only
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I wouldnt buy those generic cables from ebay/amazon etc they are poorly made and can either break off in your device, break off the connector on the device, or short out.. I highly recommend getting either Motorola or HTC OEM cables. They cost $2 - $5 but its worth it.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-SKN5...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1323629211&sr=1-1
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Although a standard micro USB connector works for me when transferring data I don't like how loose it seems in the Flyer's socket. So I want another cable just like the one that came with my Flyer, a micro ExtUSB cable. I've only found mini ExtUSB cables not micro ones, hence my request for an inexpensive cable source.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Although a standard micro USB connector works for me when transferring data I don't like how loose it seems in the Flyer's socket. So I want another cable just like the one that came with my Flyer, a micro ExtUSB cable. I've only found mini ExtUSB cables not micro ones, hence my request for an inexpensive cable source.
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there are no inexpensive extUSB cables...i don't know where you are but try expansys or amazon in your country...they're all upwards of $20
There is no 3rd party source for the non-standard HTC proprietary connector.
HTC manufactured Windows Mobile and Android-based devices have a proprietary connector called HTC Micro ExtUSB (Extended USB). ExtUSB combines Micro-USB (with which it is backwards-compatible) with audio input as well as audio and video output in an 11-pin connector. The extra pins also allow for higher charging currents.
If you really want to spend on a high quality cable, here you go, the best, most expensive per foot USB micro cable in the world . For ~$25 this should keep your Flyer and small pets from bursting into flame............
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4256657&CatId=77
By the way, all the generic or other brand MHL adapters work fine with the HTC for connection to HDMI.
not sure if this justifies a topic of its own but i have kind of wrecked my hp charger cable by using it to charge my phone
i can only assume that the socket on my htc incredible S is tighter or something because the micro usb end wiggles around so much in my touchpad now it doesnt maintain a connection unless i apply pressure in a certain direction!
so just to let you all know, its probably best to keep your hp cable for your touchpad!
Why would you put it in your phone in the first place? They require different amount of power (tl;dr: you could have fried it).
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Why would you put it in your phone in the first place? They require different amount of power (tl;dr: you could have fried it).
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huh? the device only pulls as much as much power as it wants
and it only pulls 2amps when the touchpad detects the right amount of resistance
he is talking bout the cable and actually it might be the "teeth" on the micro usb being lower than it should, i basically have gone thru 4 cables because they wont stay in the right place not only because they are recessed (which i have pulled back into place but because there is a crack on the usb port..
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huh? the device only pulls as much as much power as it wants
and it only pulls 2amps when the touchpad detects the right amount of resistance
he is talking bout the cable and actually it might be the "teeth" on the micro usb being lower than it should, i basically have gone thru 4 cables because they wont stay in the right place not only because they are recessed (which i have pulled back into place but because there is a crack on the usb port..
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I hate micro USB, such a flimsy design.
Basically some of the male ends are a micrometer thicker, causing the female end to stretch.
At least with TouchPad, you can get an inductive charger.
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I hate micro USB, such a flimsy design.
Basically some of the male ends are a micrometer thicker, causing the female end to stretch.
At least with TouchPad, you can get an inductive charger.
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cant argue with that totally agree with the touchstone, oh if the tp was able to pull 2 amps that way though..
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Why would you put it in your phone in the first place? They require different amount of power (tl;dr: you could have fried it).
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A switching mode power supply (pretty much all newer chargers) will put out its rated voltage as long as the current draw is equal to or less than its max spec. There is a slight variation between chargers output voltage but a few tenths of a volt won't do any damage.
I have charged all sorts of devices using the TP charger without issue. My Sansa Clip using a miniUSB cord, my Droid 3 using the HP cord. The microUSB plug is a standard so ports should be the same on all devices, but I really like miniUSB better. It seems like a more robust connection than micro which feels too small and flimsy.
My charger has a usb socket so I was able to swap out the micro usb charger - can you not do that?
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oh yea, obv i can just change the cable, and quite cheaply, but was just letting people know that the slot on the touchpad must be quite big relative to other devices (though i can only vouch for my incredible S).
i'll have to buy a new cable now, though - no biggy
Sand down those spiked nibs that are supposed to hold the cable in place, they are too big to be needed and cause extra wear and tear on the units usb socket.
Taking them down to about 50% size and making them not so sharp gives the cable a good fit where it wont come out easy but its not like pulling teeth.
I learned this with my N900 lots of users did it, and now I noticed the touchpad had the same kind of fit and cable, so I consider this a necessity if you want to prolong the life of your device and minimize the possibility of something happening like what happened to the OP, atleast for him it was the cable that gave out and not the micro sub port on his TP.
my cable stopped working a while ago so im just using my samsung and htc cable,samsung cable is a real nice fit better than the TP one.
The supplied TP cable is just a flimsy POS. I've bought dollar store cables that were higher quality.
I use the TP charger and the cable that came with my phone to charge both devices. I've been doing it for months with no ill effects to the phone.
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Micro USB is a horrid and fragile setup to begin with.
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yup my usb cable doesnt work anymore. I accidentally tripped over it lol
LOL good thing i bought 3 HP touchpad chargers over the weekend.
I actually lost the stock one.. so i 'stocked' up... just in case
Just FYI, the default AC adapter that comes with the TP has two parts.
The front part rotates to separate it from the base, if it's rotated a bit - it won't charge, so double check that the front (where the prongs are) are tightened properly.
Mine's developed the same fault using it on my Galaxy S2, it's now loose on all devices and I had to throw it away. I just think the quality's poor.
The HP cable for my TP stopped charging the device too, got in touch with support and a day later I received a shiny new replacement cable which *isn't* loose
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my usb cable stopped working too (yesterday).
Well, it works but i need to hold the cable in a particular way or it stops.
Did any of you buy a replacement? if ya which one.
Hmmm, I got the touchstone and haven't used the USB since, unless plugging in to the computer to move an update.zip over. Still tight fit, and with rom I'm running touchstone seems to charge the same as the actual charger that came with touchpad.
It is actually a fact that the stock USB cables are of poor quality. So ultimately its not your fault if it goes bad. Just use another micro USB cable (even cheap ones you find at the convenience stores works great) to charge your touchpad. I've been using my micro USB which came with my phone to charge my touchpad and I must say its a perfect fit for the touchpad.
Hi All,
I ended up purchasing the Rezond based on the previous feedback, but I'm still in the test-drive phase. I'm really enjoying the phone so far and so far I'm thinking "keep". The included headphones are really great also compared to my previous headphones! I'll be waiting at least another week before I decide to keep the phone and decide to put a better ROM on the phone.
Anyway, what's the deal with the charge cable? Standard Micro-USB fits fine, but what's up with the funky cable that came with the device? Will this cause any problems using a longer standard cable or will it cause the phone to charge slower? Does this cable need to be used for proper connection to a PC?
Custom cables always make me leery.
Sorry if this has been asked, searching for custom usb, charge cable, custom cable did not return an results.
Its actually not a custom cable. It is a MHL adapter. Lots of talk about it in the Accessories forum.
Basically one port for charging and HDMI out instead of two separate ports.
You can charge fine with a regular micro usb cable, I don't think it's slower but I've never timed it.
If you want to get more like the ones that came with the phone you can get the HTC Flyer cables in white here:
http://www.expansys-usa.com/htc-flyer-data-cable-dc-t500-extmicro-usb-12pin-white-209995/
I bought two of them since I like the secure feeling of the snap in.
I've never tried using a regular micro usb for data and don't have one within arm's reach and I'm really super comfy right now so I'm not going to get up but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
In the accessories forum try searching "mhl cable" and I think you'll come up with two threads about it if you want further info.
I am using a blackberry (micro USB) cable at work, and the OEM cable at home, I see no different in charge time or PC connectivity between the 2 cable.
I also use a blackberry AC adapter to charge the rezound when I am in a pinch.
HTH.
Thanks.
I figured any standard micro-usb cable will work. A MHL cable makes sense though, I've just never actually seen one and I'm not familiar with the form factor.
I'll be looking into this, thank you again.
"MHL" A Lot More Solid
The MHL cable feels a lot more solid than a micro USB. I have a couple micro usb that have gotten loose, and now just fall out of the phone if turned over, or if I hit a bump in the car. Thanks for finding a source to buy more of the MHL cables.
Also here slightly less expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Flyer-Data-Sync-Cable/dp/B004VF616C/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics
krelvinaz said:
Also here slightly less expensive.
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Flyer-Data-Sync-Cable/dp/B004VF616C/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics
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How long are those cables? Doesn't say on the page; unless I'm blind.
There is no such thing as an "MHL cable".
The format of the port and cable that come with the Rezound is called "EXTMicro USB".
"MHL" refers to a standard for connecting small electronics to HDTVs. It works with a regular Micro USB cable. Last time I checked (a couple of weeks ago) there are no MHL adapters that utilize EXTMicro USB connectors. Most of the ones that I've found use a regular Micro USB connector.
At this time, it's unclear exactly what the extra 7 pins in the connector in this phone are for. Other HTC phones have used them for analog audio and video output, but this doesn't appear to be supported by the rezound.
If you look at your rezound, you will see it only has the 5 pins. It does utilize the ExtMicro USB plug end/shape. If it truly had the ExtMico USB then while using the mhl adapter it could charge your phone via A/C while streaming. But it can't because the data pins are being used/ there are only 5 pins.
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That's an excellent point about charging while using an MHL adapter. One could still force fast charging through software, such as what's available in Incredikernel/control, though.
On my rezound, I most definitely have contacts in the extra spots. The cable my phone came with, however, doesn't have any pins for them to contact.
Prefader said:
That's an excellent point about charging while using an MHL adapter. One could still force fast charging through software, such as what's available in Incredikernel/control, though.
On my rezound, I most definitely have contacts in the extra spots. The cable my phone came with, however, doesn't have any pins for them to contact.
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You are right the phone has it, the does not cable. That is my mistake. I knew one of them didn't just was too lazy to check.
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