Alright, was thinking of getting the Flyer but I don't know if I would want it without an AOSP build on it. I mean it's cool, but it seems that this tablet would look beautiful with ICS or just vanilla android in general. I like sense but not enough to have a tablet with it.
So, are the devs planning any work on ICS or is it a dead cause?
I can't speak for every developer, but I don't think you will get a lot of takers to put in the vast amount of time an effort to build yet another vanilla tablet ROM when the Sense widgets and Stylus APIs add quite a bit to the Flyer and for some Sense widgets, there are no equal replacement widgets on the market. why bother, if someone doesn't want to use the Sense widgets and launcher, just don't use them, they hurt nothing in the background. And you cannot build a true working AOSP ROM anyway because you are always dependent on the hardware vendors drivers and kernel.
Just run the Flyer with ADW EX launcher or Launcher Pro if you like it better. Works fine that way.
Ill just say that I am NOT a fan of sense in general. I would never want it on a phone and run cyanogen on my evo 4g. BUT it actually works really well on the flyer. I wasn't a big fan of the sense launcher, so I'm running adw, but all of the other sense apps really add functionality to the tablet.
I'm a Rom whore on phones, but I'm still running the stock software (2.3.4) on my flyer because of works so well.
Just get a flyer and enjoy what's in my opinion the best tab available by far.
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Although we do not have the strongest developer base ever. We still do have developers that do work hard for us. I'm not saying that we're going to have developers that will build ICS for us, but what I can say that it would not be a stretch to port ICS from DHD, G2/DZ, MT4G. I can say this because I have seen the GB flyer port to my G2 and it should not be hard to do it the other way around. So really we just need to wait until one of those phones gets ICS or if Cyanogen decides to build for us. We'll get it eventually it will just be a matter of when. The whole I like sense vs. I don't like sense argument does not apply here, because this is android and we will have a choice between the two. We'll most likely also get an HTC sense build of ICS from HTC, but that may take a little time.
while i am enjoying my flyer with homeycomb/sense i have to agree. as much as i love htc devices,i really hate htc sense. id very much like some sort of AOSP rom as well- it really surprised me to not see any cm7 ports,or even official cm support.
i personally dont use any sense widgets or apps. simply running a different launcher doesnt get rid of sense. you still have sense contacts,keyboard,email,etc. sure you can get 3rd party apps for all those things,but that makes the appready huge footprint of the sense rom even bigger.
AOSP seems smoother and faster on my other htc devices,and id prefer it on my flyer as well. id like to learn how to port roms to different devices,so i could have cm7,8,or 9
I would love to see ICS make its way onto the Flyer. But with how long it's taken HTC to give us a HC update, I'm relying more on Cyanogen than anything else.
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
Decided to get nook tablet instead.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
ICS seems to be a close relative of Honeycomb.
I am hoping that the delay in releasing HC for Flyer officially is that HC is being cancelled and work is instead shifiting to ICS.
From what I see of ICS, I would take it over HC with Sense.
My guess is that no one is working on an ICS Mod for us.
hm.. gotta agree... there is no point in getting a rom if you actually are losing functionality... kinda the opposite direction of what most people hope for.
Especially sine 2.3.4 is a pretty decent version.
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We're not talking about an OG phone here with limited memory. The Flyer has gob of memory. Sense runs great on the flyer. While It might make you "feel" better to think you are running an AoSP ROM, there's nothing that makes it perform better. I would never give up the Pen or email and other widgets that sense has that no one else has for a good feeling. It doesn't make Sense.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
With all the ICS Alpha ports popping up these days, even on the HTC HD and such, I would not be surprised to see a repackage bootable of ICS for the Flyer soon. These came around for the Old color Nook in Honeycomb flavor, but never fully worked. The problem is they stay about about 70% working until HTC releases the ICS kernel and drivers. Nice to see how they look but things like camera, Bluetooth, video playback and phone don't work. Who knows? Maybe one of the tapped in developers can even patch together a working kernel from the current HTC source code. Since Google released the main OS source, things could get wild.
digital,you are correct,sdk ports rarely amount to anything useable and worthwhile. source code is needed to really get all the functionality.
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I think you mean you've bought the wrong tablet.
You have to know HTC == Sense. Just don't buy HTC if you complain about Sense.
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i know htc very well. i dont ever buy a device for the software it runs,since everything i own gets rooted and ROMed. i buy htc because i like the hardware,and i like the way they "work". i bought the flyer because i like messing with htc products.
lots of folks dont understand my fondness for htc,but my dislike of sense. as i stated,im enjoying my flyer very much with sensified HC. i dont mind sense in small doses , and and if AOSP roms were available,id prolly flip flop back and forth between them. not complaining,im not wishing i hadnt bought it. all i did was agree with the OP in that i also have a strong preference for AOSP.
again,nothing wrong with liking sense. nothing wrong with not liking it either.
Sense 4.0 for Android ICS in the works for 2012.
All quads from the HTC are going to feature Beats Audio. They are also to have HTC Sense 4.0
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sens...-to-battle-ones-from-Samsung-and-Asus_id23932
Snow_fox said:
Being a guy who is seriously considering this sexy tablet myself.
I have been wondering if there would be an ICS port although an official seems unlikely.
I don't "need" a tablet, but a device to read manga on and watch videos every so often would be nice.
This is the smoothest tablet I've ever seen (I like it more than any other tablet I've seen.. including ipad 2, galaxy tab ect ect)
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I enjoy reading manga on mine. The screen is very nice.
To each his own, but when you have a vast majority who bought this for what it is and not what it can be hacked to, you're pretty much in the minority. So if you want the latest and greatest vanilla that breaks functionality most of us want, then you better bone up on your development skills.
scotty1223 said:
to each his own... i dont use the pen. i dont use any sense widgets. i like the way AOSP looks and feels,and the way the menus and native apps look. i dont like sense,and even if performance is exactly the same, *I* would enjoy *MY* flyer alot more if i had AOSP roms for it.
just my personal opinion... some folks like sense and sense widgets,and theres nothing wrong with that. but theres nothing wrong with prefering the look and feel of AOSP,either.
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This article claims that the Flyer will be shown by HTC in February running ICS.
Rumor has it that, in the coming months, HTC will unveil the first tablet underpinned by the new Nvidia Tegra 3 quad-core platform. It seems that the HTC quad-core tablet will be revealed at Mobile World Congress 2012, event that takes place in Barcelona, in late February. Of course, the information is not official, bit it seems that it’s coming from a source close to the situation. Anyway, a lot of things can change in three months. At the Catalonian event, HTC will also reveal the Flyer and Jetstream models with stylus support and running on Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich.
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That makes sense,honeycomb source code is a subset of ICS so most of the hard work is already done. Can't wait for stable HC. IcS Will come in due time.
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Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
Buy a sensation
tolis626 said:
Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
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same for me, i'm now a few weeks without sense, and neither launcher pro nor any of the other launchers are comfortable or "smooth" in the same way sense was...
i'm sure it would be possible to port sense to sgs2, but i think this would be a lot of hard work. without some dedicated devs there is absolutely no chance.
in the meanwhile i'm enjoying the sgs2 very much, the hardware is way ahead of anything HTC could offer at the moment - the overall user experience is almost superb...
what do you guys miss because im not understanding. It doesnt offer the same functionality with sense on past Winmo devices. Im not trying to be rude but help me understand what you guys are missing. Is it the eyecandy or flipclock?
I'm curious..
Don't misinterpret the tone of what I'm about to ask.. I assure you it is merely an inquiry..
If people love the sense UI why wouldn't they just exclusively by HTC devices?
Again, don't get me wrong.. I've used Sense (HTC Touch Pro) and Touch Wiz (Captivate, Vibrant, and soon SGS II) and I too miss the integrated prettiness of SenseUI but SenseUI isn't gonna happen on a non-HC device.. I'd venture to say ever.. (If I'm in error here please correct me) Sure I know we cannot predict tomorrow but I've read way too many threads where people have tried and as with most cases with attempted ports there's just too much custom code related to Sense to port to a non-Sense environment.
I'd LOVE to see native SenseUI on a Galaxy class device.. Sadly I doubt we ever will..
Intruda119 we are kinda having a civilized thing here,not intended for flaming.Do you,like any normal human being,have an opinion?If yes,say it.Else,don't criticise others.
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mostyle said:
Don't misinterpret the tone of what I'm about to ask.. I assure you it is merely an inquiry..
If people love the sense UI why wouldn't they just exclusively by HTC devices?
Again, don't get me wrong.. I've used Sense (HTC Touch Pro) and Touch Wiz (Captivate, Vibrant, and soon SGS II) and I too miss the integrated prettiness of SenseUI but SenseUI isn't gonna happen on a non-HC device.. I'd venture to say ever.. (If I'm in error here please correct me) Sure I know we cannot predict tomorrow but I've read way too many threads where people have tried and as with most cases with attempted ports there's just too much custom code related to Sense to port to a non-Sense environment.
I'd LOVE to see native SenseUI on a Galaxy class device.. Sadly I doubt we ever will..
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Well,I want real power this time,that's why I'm turning to the Sam side!
Seriously though,I'd buy HTC again but all my smartphones have been HTC,so I kinda want a break.
What do I like in Sense?Mmm...Never had to answer that one before!Well,for me it's like they took all the good characteristics of other launchers and put them together in a nice,feature-packed(and resource-heavy however)interface.
Well,guess I'll try a detox...
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who cares about Sense? you want Sense UI? get a HTC. i won't be using Sense or TW4 anyways. you want Sense on SGS2? wait for half a year for devs to port a buggy, crashy copy.
people talking about ROMs and crap...wait, noobs....wait
I would like sense, but after reading engadget's review of how it is not as snappy as the galaxy s 2, I wouldn't want to hinder the galaxy s 2 and it's goodness.
I guess im the only one to use 1-2 homescreen pages.
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tolis626 said:
Hey guys.
Am still being torn between the Sensation and the Galaxy S 2 and,although I'm inclining towards the GS2,I still have some issues.Two of them are the biggest:
Plastic body(can live with that) and the absence of Sense(made a rime there! ).
As for the second one,what do you guys think?I saw two days ago that Sense 2.1 has been ported almost fully to the Nexus S,so why wouldn't the GS2 be able to run,say,Sense 3?
Seriously though,imagine this beast and Sense 3.Magic!If it is possible,I'm most probably sold!
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Just remember, software can be changed and upgraded. Hardware can't.
I only use 1.
intruda119 said:
I guess im the only one to use 1-2 homescreen pages.
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CM and MIUI are infinitely more important to me than Sense. If I wanted HTC's restrictive UI on my GS2 I would have bought a HTC instead.
Anyway, I doubt you will see a proper port of Sense and all it's required libraries any time soon. They have only just managed to get a usable version on the Galaxy and that phone is over a year old.
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Kailkti said:
I would like sense, but after reading engadget's review of how it is not as snappy as the galaxy s 2, I wouldn't want to hinder the galaxy s 2 and it's goodness.
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I can't imagine it being laggy, it already runs pretty smooth on the desire anyway the whole sense experience makes things for users much smoother.
Pagnell said:
CM and MIUI are infinitely more important to me than Sense. If I wanted HTC's restrictive UI on my GS2 I would have bought a HTC instead.
Anyway, I doubt you will see a proper port of Sense and all it's required libraries any time soon. They have only just managed to get a usable version on the Galaxy and that phone is over a year old.
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the sense ports are now all based on aprechners's work which he began somewhere in april.
godutch said:
I can't imagine it being laggy, it already runs pretty smooth on the desire anyway the whole sense experience makes things for users much smoother.
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I'm not sure so much that it is lag. But if i have the same setup on launcherpro and sense and the same animation, the launcherpro just looks SOO MUCH smoother. THink it's something to do with the fps?
I'm curious as well. WHAT is it about Sense that everyone wants? I come from a WM background so for us it's that WM is ****ty and Sense provides a pretty and functional (or as functional as we can get) interface to the user. Android, however, is BRILLIANT and has plenty of apps and launchers and what not that it doesn't need you to have ANOTHER interface controlling everything. Isn't it a blessing not to have sense??
I'd really like to hear your guys opinions.
I think so, seeing as I got bored of it. and switched to launcherpro after a few months, however this was on my first ever android phone and I didn't even know that there was such a thing as a UI overlay for android! If I'd known you could get replacement launchers from the market I would have done it much earlier!
seeM_ZA said:
I'm curious as well. WHAT is it about Sense that everyone wants? I come from a WM background so for us it's that WM is ****ty and Sense provides a pretty and functional (or as functional as we can get) interface to the user. Android, however, is BRILLIANT and has plenty of apps and launchers and what not that it doesn't need you to have ANOTHER interface controlling everything. Isn't it a blessing not to have sense??
I'd really like to hear your guys opinions.
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Well apart from having the best keyboard, email, message, gallery, contact, dialer, and widgets
like friendstream it's also the tight integration of everything with everything and it's beautiful too.
godutch said:
Well apart from having the best keyboard, email, message, gallery, contact, dialer, and widgets
like friendstream it's also the tight integration of everything with everything and it's beautiful too.
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I agree with the dialer and Widgets. But it hasn't got the best of everything else. Not to mention thr fact that there are better Widgets on the market. I've been using a custimizable, scrolling Calender for a long time now on launcherpro.
And don't know about sense 3 but the gallery on my desire really isn't amazing. Its pretty average and takes a llong time to load images.
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Here is what HTC had to say on ics updates to our devices...
We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.
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heres a link to the article on engadget about it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/htc-were-reviewing-ice-cream-sandwich-and-determining-our-plan/
What engadget points out is very interesting. some of HTC's Sense features seem to be in ICS to an extent and kinda makes Sense a lil pointless. Less I'm missing something. Right now after going through ICS I'm trying to figure out what I will be missing/losing with Sense. That is beside the Sense app versions like camera, dialer and such which are differ.
Mm idk ICS looks really good as it is , so HTC should go back to stock as much as possible, I wonder if we can layout how we want to use are buttons now ? And if qHD will have nice support in the market finally
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i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
evank418 said:
i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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Mm i don't really like dark themes too much. Gingerbread was a bit too dark for my taste and now ICS is looking dark theme I wonder why they went the way instead ,in a side not I think everyone forgot about the moto rzer lol
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The only things I would miss from sense are:
Dialer
Weather integration
Facebook integration. A one that works unlike the Facebook app.
Lockscreen
Widgets
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Mm idk ICS looks really good as it is , so HTC should go back to stock as much as possible, I wonder if we can layout how we want to use are buttons now ? And if qHD will have nice support in the market finally
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evank418 said:
i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
fr0st420 said:
The only things I would miss from sense are:
Dialer
Weather integration
Facebook integration. A one that works unlike the Facebook app.
Lockscreen
Widgets
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weather integration is something they will keep and the animations and just have it be an HTC Sense app and not so much of a sense overlay as in past.
as for the lockscreen, the new one takes a lot from htc sense 3.0 lockscreen im pretty sure and you can access apps form it.
again the more i look at ICS the more i lean toward going senseless as they hit the ball out with this upgrade. always a sense fan but can't imagine what they could do to this to make it better past the weather animation stuff really...
They should go with stock.
It would make updates faster.
myn said:
I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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is this foreshadowing on a rather "warm" ice cream sandwich? Lol. Jk.
myn said:
I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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If only this would become a reality, would rather have the option of being stock once ICS spreads. I guess it will be once DEVs develop a stock ICS rom
I would like an ICS aosp look with sense features, like the senseless rom im running now. However companies like HTC are all about making their mark on the software so i have a feeling their wont be an official update until theres an ice cream sensewhich..bad pun whoo!
HTC and Sense will never break up. They'll just come up with new ways to sell, they are actually pretty good at that. I just don't think you can have so many companies mass producing so many phones if they all ran vanilla android... it would be silly.
Besides, the sense widgets, weather and facebook integration are enough for me to stay. The facebook app is a resource hogging battery killing machine.. in fact, the android market as a whole is 85% junk... I'm thankful that HTC eliminates the need for at least a few apps.
With that said, I fully expect HTC/Sprint to totally rip us off when they give us ICS on the 3D. It likely won't have anything new for Sense and will be dumbed down.. will have the same Sense UI look.. making it hard to even tell we are even running ICS.
Sure hope CM gets 3D cameras and such working soon!
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i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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myn said:
I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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HTC is going to have to innovate sense to a very deep level to make sense relevant, but in the meantime I wont jump to another device just because it has ICS or its alittle faster, the Nexus Prime im not too hype on, its a SG2 with a dress on. Sense for now is cool but without innovation It will become pointless, P.s the only way I jump to a new device is the GALAXY NOTE on sprint with ICS then im all in. I need that 5.3 with a stylus thats love sorry for the sidetrack at the end of this post
HTC seems to have launched a tegra3 device (indavur (misspelled on purpose)), and since we are many that waited for htc to make their tegra move, so we could get their "frontend", and now its finally happening.
a leak has seen the www some days ago, and it might be coming to a device near you.
anyways they say its 720p, so im assuming 1366x720 and not 1280x800 like we got, so graphics will probably need resizing but i think solutions exists for that.
anyways, lets hope it appears! (i am personally happy with htc sense, so im eager to get it and already got a flyer here as well)
Thanks, Dexter! Loved your work! Looking forward to seeing your magic on the Prime!
I have an HTC Sensation and I do everything I can to strip as much HTC Sense as I can from it.
Can't wait for CM9 for it.
i would love sense on the prime!
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Phone Sense on tablets doesn't make any sense.
Even if someone ports it (not too much of a problem actually) it won't be usable.
The Sense UI doesn't scale well and is fitted to one specific resolution and screen size.
Scaling it up just looks awkward.
People shouldn't get their hopes up, it won't be the thing you expect.
Maybe we can port Tablet Sense from the HTC Vertex (aka. HTC Quattro), but that's still far away.
They actually are announcing a Teg3 tablet (the Vertex, formerly Quattro) on 2/27 at an HTC press conference at MWC. It's supposed to be available in March. That ROM would need a lot less tinkering than one from a phone.
Wow awesome. I love sense. As far as the phone goes, it's probably my next phone if it comes out on Sprint. I'm a tegra3 believer now since my Prime.
HTC + tegra3 = awesomeness!
**** sense it sucks it takes away from the true beauty of android! Hey well Atleast Google has that new thing where it has to have an option to disable all of the themes the manufacturer uses
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Wordlywisewiz said:
**** sense it sucks it takes away from the true beauty of android! Hey well Atleast Google has that new thing where it has to have an option to disable all of the themes the manufacturer uses
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Nope, you missunderstood something there. There won't be an option to disable Sense/TouchWiz etc.
OEMs are only forced to include the stock themes, so 3rd party apps can use those themes and look the same on every rom
This has nothing to do with customizations like the Sense UI.
Awhh that's lame they should have to have that option!
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aznmode said:
Wow awesome. I love sense. As far as the phone goes, it's probably my next phone if it comes out on Sprint. I'm a tegra3 believer now since my Prime.
HTC + tegra3 = awesomeness!
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you should get HTC Endeavor then, i might just in 6 months time when its launched in europe.
anyways the rom is tegra3 based , and from my experience with previous tegra roms , the tegra platform offers alot of options for porting between devices just like between the different htc platforms.
m_deejay has alot of experience from the htc platform, and im sure the virtouus team might just jump back on the tegra wagon soon.
about this build,
since we got no custom kernel, my options for changing scripts (init.rc) is limited and i will simply try this out on a tegra2 device first.
the framework require a different bootclasspath which i think a hijack script is needed for to fix it, if no custom kernel can be installed?
little OT,
why are blob's available on transformer(1), but not on "prime"? is it the sbk key that blocks kernel compiles?
Sounds like bloatware to me then if it don't run fast or smooth or good, people will try to blame tegra3 for it....they can keep it. Its a good look for phones and some of their Widgets look cool. If anything ill take the Widgets. They can keep the bloat UI.
Ok guys first let me say that swearing has no place on the forum. Second it is well known that Sense needs to have the HTC framework files so it only runs on HTC devices. This is why it is not ported to alot of other devices other then HTC devices.
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Not understanding all the Sense "hate" by people who know that it's HTC's trademark feature. Samsung has the Touchwiz and Motorola has their Motoblur...and HTC has Sense. But people talk about wanting a "pure Android experience"...What? The crappy basic icons that look as though a 5 yr old made them? What is a "pure Android experience" anyway? It's like buying a Mustang GT then *****ing about the GT and complaining to Ford that you want a "pure Mustang experience"...without the 5.0. If you want a "pure Android experience", why not purchase an LG Android device next time because they seem pretty basic instead of an HTC device with Sense. Isn't Sense the reason most of us were attracted to the device? We thought it was stylish and neat. It was the reason for me, anyway. The bottom line is that it just seems a bit ridiculous to purchase a device then complain about the devices main feature after KNOWING the feature is on the device. Hope those who compain about not wanting Sense on their HTC device find that "pure Android experience" they so desperately desire...let us know how it works out for ya. I personally like Sense and look forward to it's development. Cool story, eh?
Well....the borked bluetooth stack kinda sucks for one.
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
"Pure Android Experience", meaning to have just the basic features."...People who want this, you guys have fun with your phones. (rolling eyes) May as well just go get an iPhone ;-)
Sense may look pretty, but it's one of the reasons why are stock batteries are awful!! I have 2 roms in the gsm thread, my senseless gingerdex and my gingerdex with sense.
My senseless rom gives me roughly 40-50% more battery life??? With the same kernel and setup on both.
There is about 70mb of sense related bloatware I removed.
I like the sense, however it's sluggish and slows down our phones.
Wait till you try a aosp rom the speed is scary fast, and I like to customize my phone, for me with sense gone, I have no choice but to roam the app market and completely create my own unique look.
Just my opinion
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Ok, not being a smartass, but what does that have to do with Sense? Wouldn't that be a device hardware issue? I really DON'T understand. I thought Sense was basically, in a nutchell, HTC's customization or am I off on this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Sense
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It has to do with Sense because it's Sense-specific. HTC uses some weird implementation of Bluetooth so it doesn't always work properly. AOSP roms don't have this issue, generally.
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HTC screwed up Bluetooth. These guys aren't making it up. Throw an AOSP ROM on the 3d and it sounds great. On sense it sounds like garbage.
That's my primary beef with sense. Fix Bluetooth or give us a standard AOSP rom
Ok, I get the battery and bluetooth issue. Thanks for your input guys. I've wanted to root my phone but I have HBOOT 1.5 and it seems to be just a hassle anymore in addition to not wanting to flash a ROM that doesn't have everything working, so screw it.
Im pretty sure the biggest feature of this phone is not sense and most likely is the 3d. wether or not thats the reason you bought it that is this phones mightiest point.
However neither of these are the reasons i bought this phone, i bought it cause it has a good hardware design and the specs are all top notch.
And yes I ABSOLUTELY despise Sense and its lack of customizability.
Sense is good for some people and bad for others. I personally love it, but I still run AOSP just as often as I do Sense. Options are never a bad thing, and Sense is maturing finely. The next generation should improve on battery life with quad cores and sleeker Sense versions.
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Well stated, Sora. I get it now. Thanks
I gotta say I prefer sense I like some of the features it has...
I would be running CM if they were pumpin roms out but due to the 3D part of the camera going away can't say I would be using it for long..
Anyway sense isn't bad has some ups and downs...
Samsung touch wiz sucks lol man I never liked it on the EPIC...
Never tried the Photon.. So I can't say much about it...
Been liking Fresh Rom battery life is great on it since most of the junk bloat was pulled..... No issues...
What bluetooth issue are you guys referring to? I use my jaybird freedoms and everything works great
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Personally I like sense, but it is far from perfect. Bluetooth is finnicky and doesn't work with a six axis controller, sense in general is a very obese implementation of android which generally slows everything down, the screen drivers seem very buggy, etc.
Generally everything works on it, but it's far from perfect. I have a feeling ICS will be a huge upgrade all around though as they've had plenty of time to refine everything for this hardware.
Gotta say this was enlightening. I have heard people show utter disdain for sense and didn't really know why. I like it myself but to each his own.
Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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Sounds like OP is just pissed he's a 1.5'er. And don't ever compare a pure android experience to an iPhone. Shame on you
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You get a thanks just for stating that "don't ever compare" part.
My 2 cents on this, I switch between Sense and custom LAUNCHERS often, tried Nemus Launcher, Go Launcher and ADW in the past. Can't say which is the best. Never had a custom ROM so far so can't compare performance under Sense with performance on custom ROMs, but I'd imagine the customs would run faster without all the Sense bloatware.
At the moment, I'm just waiting for ICS upgrade, after which I'll unlock, root and back up the NAND for Sense 4.0... and then on to get some custom ROM goodness hehe!
I hate Sense. I like HTC devices.
Sense is bloated and totally inefficient. It's also locked down in too many ways.
I prefer ADW Launcher + Android Pro Widgets. I feel it's snappier with more customization options, and it doesn't affect my battery life.
I go from an HTC Sense ROM to a Senseless ROM and my battery life goes through the roof.
Because it sucks?
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I used to downright despise sense, but that's because HTC put a bloated, slow operating system on a really slow phone (I'm talking about the HTC Hero CDMA here, my first android). The only ROMs I ever ran on my Hero were CM6 and CM7 nightlies because those were the only ROMs my phone could handle without lagging way behind me (i.e. on sense, I could type fast enough on my hero that I'd get multiple words ahead of what the screen was displaying).
HOWEVER I've fallen in love with sense now that I have my Evo 3D, because the hardware is so much better in this phone that the phone can actually handle running it's own OS smoothly now.
ICS is pretty awesome from the few ICS ROMs I've tried, but I'm sticking with sense for stability, a working camera, and the battery life (I'm running infectedROM eternity and the battery life is amazing on that ROM)
I love sense WOULDN'T BUY AN HTC MOBILE WITHOUT IT.
This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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Scotty_Two said:
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
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It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
ramjet73
I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
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