for radar, there's that "SMS confirmation" thing where it will send an SMS if a message you just send was successful or not. However, I just sent an SMS but I didn't receive any SMS confirmation. Does this mean that the SMS wasn't sent?
iwanthp said:
for radar, there's that "SMS confirmation" thing where it will send an SMS if a message you just send was successful or not. However, I just sent an SMS but I didn't receive any SMS confirmation. Does this mean that the SMS wasn't sent?
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Confirmation is when you sent SMS and other side received it
I know but when I sent my SMS, there's no confirmation whether it was successful or not. Coz normally even if an SMS fails, I would still get an SMS saying the SMS failed, and that they would try again later. But this time, I got no SMSes back, saying whether it was successful or not.
The end user does not have to allow the reciept.
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The end user does not have to allow the reciept.
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sorry? What receipt?
Reciept is the term for the confirmation notice you get.
personally i would not use it as networks often charge you xtra for the service...ive been caught with that once before.
But if I switch off the SMS confirmation, it seems that if the SMS failed, they won't even tell me.
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Background: I've flashed with DCD's 3.0.4 rom, Verizon XV6800. ArcSoft MMS 5.0.31.11 running.
Question: How can you tell on this if an SMS text you send is read by the recipient? Honestly, I couldn't even figure that out when the phone was stock. I know on this version of ArcSoft MMS there's actually a checkbox for delivery and read reports in the MMS Options...but I only get a delivery report when sending an MMS (not a SMS message) and even THEN I can't tell when it has been read.
Is it just not possible? Older phones show a little D or a checkmark by the message when it's read...how about our flashier PPC's? Anyone know?
Older phones show a little D or a checkmark by the message when it's read...how about our flashier PPC's? Anyone know?
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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Any way to get that? or to check somewhere and see if the message has been delivered?
Any way to get that? or to check somewhere and see if the message has been delivered?
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Yes there is a way, but there are cons. It either clutters your inbox, or you are forced to delete a message everytime you send one.
Navigate to HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings and change DisableSMSDeliveryReceipt to 0 and change SMSDeliveryNotify to 1 and soft reset.
Give it a try, if it annoys you, to go back to normal, just flip flop them.
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Yes there is a way, but there are cons. It either clutters your inbox, or you are forced to delete a message everytime you send one.
Navigate to HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Inbox\Settings and change DisableSMSDeliveryReceipt to 0 and change SMSDeliveryNotify to 1 and soft reset.
Give it a try, if it annoys you, to go back to normal, just flip flop them.
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if youve got threaded sms, woulndt it store it all on one thread?
I dont actually know how or what it does, but just a thought...
thanks, will give it a try though.
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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I was going by a friend who has Verizon and a Motorola phone and he claims that when his texts are read by recipients that it places a checkmark on his phone. Your point makes sense though.
Back to the original question however...what about on our XV6800's? Is there any way to tell when an SMS is read?
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The D or checkmark does not indicate if the message has been read, rather it indicates if the message was received by the recipient's handset. For example, if the recipient had their phone off, the checkmark would not appear until they turned it on and the message was delivered to their phone.
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Actually most phones have a delivered and a read notification. like on my girlfriends u740 it'll have the delivered time and then the read time below it. I used to have a blackberry and it would put a check if it was delivered and a check+D if it was read. I'd love to have this feature but i don't think anyone has found a workaround yet
Actually most phones have a delivered and a read notification. like on my girlfriends u740 it'll have the delivered time and then the read time below it. I used to have a blackberry and it would put a check if it was delivered and a check+D if it was read. I'd love to have this feature but i don't think anyone has found a workaround yet
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Again, these times are NOT when the person actually reads the message. They lead you to believe that that's the case when it is not. In the case of your friend's phone, the delivered time is actually the time that the message was relayed from the network to the recipient, and the read time is the time when the handset actually receives the message. The message could sit in the recipient's Inbox for 3 weeks unread and you would never know the difference. Nevertheless, this feature does not exist on windows mobile devices and the only workaround is getting a message from System Administrator telling you the message was sent successful every time you send one. Messages from System Administrator are NOT threaded.
Example: I turn notify on and send a message but I don't have service. The message looks like it goes through on my end, but until I receive the System Administrator notification, it technically hasn't been received yet. Like I said, this clutters the Inbox with all those messages as they are not threaded, or you can delete the notification after every time you send a message. This is the only way to achieve something like this.
but even if it is succesfully sent, does that indicate receipt of the message? do you get notification when u have succesfully sent the message, even if the recipient has their phone off?
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Again, these times are NOT when the person actually reads the message. They lead you to believe that that's the case when it is not. In the case of your friend's phone, the delivered time is actually the time that the message was relayed from the network to the recipient, and the read time is the time when the handset actually receives the message. The message could sit in the recipient's Inbox for 3 weeks unread and you would never know the difference.
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So I tested this and on her u740 she sent me a message and i received it like 10 secs later and it showed delivered at that time. I waited about an hour and opened the message(even though I could read it when it came through) and closed out of my texts which got rid of the notification and it added delivered 10 mins later.
I'm pretty sure this is only a verizon thing and almost every verizon non windows phone is capable of this feature. Also verizon only charges for text messages that are read from the handset if you don't have unlimited texts which is prob why they have this feature.
Maybe it's not a feature available on our phones but It is possible to have.
So I tested this and on her u740 she sent me a message and i received it like 10 secs later and it showed delivered at that time. I waited about an hour and opened the message(even though I could read it when it came through) and closed out of my texts which got rid of the notification and it added delivered 10 mins later.
I'm pretty sure this is only a verizon thing and almost every verizon non windows phone is capable of this feature. Also verizon only charges for text messages that are read from the handset if you don't have unlimited texts which is prob why they have this feature.
Maybe it's not a feature available on our phones but It is possible to have.
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Ok well I thought we were talking about straight SMS with no EMS application extension (which is the feature you're referring to).
I'll explain a little about the SMS system.
You get the D notification when it is a subscriber within your network (i.e. Verizon to Verizon as you've been testing), it has to do with a specific signature flag that is triggered from within that network and does not cross networks.
The check mark means the cell tower has received and cached the message on the tower server for queuing to be transmitted. Once the SMS message has left queuing and goes to transit, which means it has left the tower's local server and has been sent to the carrier message manager (or out to a different network), then the D appears saying the message has been delivered. This really means "message has been delivered to the network" not necessarily to the recipient's device. Most of the time it happens so fast it usually hits the person's handset roughly within 3-5 seconds which coincidentally is the same time the queue server will send you the D flag to notify you it's been delivered. It's a pretty accurate indicator, but is completely unrelated. This D does not indicate when the message was read. In some instances, the person's handset can be off and you'll still get the D.
The times and updated times you're seeing on the u740 is part of the Enhanced Messaging Service, or EMS, application extension to SMS. The u740 is an EMS capable device, which is why you're seeing these updates. Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
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Ok well I thought we were talking about straight SMS with no EMS application extension (which is the feature you're referring to).
I'll explain a little about the SMS system.
You get the D notification when it is a subscriber within your network (i.e. Verizon to Verizon as you've been testing), it has to do with a specific signature flag that is triggered from within that network and does not cross networks.
The check mark means the cell tower has received and cached the message on the tower server for queuing to be transmitted. Once the SMS message has left queuing and goes to transit, which means it has left the tower's local server and has been sent to the carrier message manager (or out to a different network), then the D appears saying the message has been delivered. This really means "message has been delivered to the network" not necessarily to the recipient's device. Most of the time it happens so fast it usually hits the person's handset roughly within 3-5 seconds which coincidentally is the same time the queue server will send you the D flag to notify you it's been delivered. It's a pretty accurate indicator, but is completely unrelated. This D does not indicate when the message was read. In some instances, the person's handset can be off and you'll still get the D.
The times and updated times you're seeing on the u740 is part of the Enhanced Messaging Service, or EMS, application extension to SMS. The u740 is an EMS capable device, which is why you're seeing these updates. Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
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Ok, so in essence you are saying that the ability to know when an SMS message is read does not exist, even with EMS capabilities. Why, on Windows Mobile phones, does the ArcSoft MMS Composer give a checkbox to Allow Read Reports for MMS Messages as if that is a feature that works, yet I haven't even seen that work for MMS messages either? Is that just because Verizon's network doesn't support read reports/receipts? I would think that there would be a way of knowing when a message is read (much like read receipts in Outlook, although the recipient has the option to not send the read receipt, but that's neither here nor there).
EMS phones have read reports, but apparently we don't have an EMS phone
EMS phones have read reports, but apparently we don't have an EMS phone
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You are correct.
I was doing a little research on the capabilities of EMS and MMS, and came across something interesting in the wikipedia listing for EMS:
EMS is an intermediate technology, between SMS and MMS, providing some of the features of MMS. EMS is a technology that is designed to work with existing networks, but may ultimately be made obsolete by MMS.
What's perplexing there is that we know EMS is an extension to SMS, and it is saying that EMS is intermediate to MMS...so why doesn't MMS include all SMS and EMS capabilities?
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What's perplexing there is that we know EMS is an extension to SMS, and it is saying that EMS is intermediate to MMS...so why doesn't MMS include all SMS and EMS capabilities?
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it does, but the carrier must choose to configure the mms client and mms server to support those capabilities.
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... Windows Mobile devices are NOT EMS capable, which is why you'll never see this feature, nor will you see any workaround or fix. The only way you'll be able to get this feature is if you ditch your Titan for an EMS capable non smart phone, or if in the future they decide to make WM EMS capable.
Hopefully this clears up the confusion a little.
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apparently at some point MS and VZ planned on ems in wm- the press releases from the 6700 mention ems:
http://news.vzw.com/news/2006/01/pr2006-01-04b.html
but a bit more current:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa919404.aspx
seems wm 6 has a regedit to allow ems.
anyone made progress getting ems to work with wm6 (or 6.1) on vz?
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 which i am having a really irritating SMs problem with.
My dad lives in Cyprus, when he sends me an SMS i can not reply, when i try it just says 'sending' then 'failed' . In order to get the text SMS to send to him i have to delete the message thread, then start a new message and it will send. Now if he then replies, i will need to delete the message thread again in order to be able to send him a new message.
I do not have this issue with any other contacts that i am aware. The only difference with my dad is that he lives abroad in Cyprus, and all my other contacts are here in the UK. Has anyone else had this issue? Know what causes it? I have deleted and recreated the contact but still the same.
Many thanks.
Do you have your dad's number stored in contacts with country code or not ? I was on the verge of smashing my phone when i was abroad, trying to call persons in my native country and i couldn't because i didn't have numbers stored with country code. Maybe that's your issue too
I think the problem is related to what SMS server your dad is using, I had same issue with my X-girls phone, no one could direct reply to SMS...
Hi, thanks for the replies.
Sp1tfire, i have changed the number configuration around several times, all with no success.
Fritz, this sounds plausible, however this would surely affect other phones replying? I don't have this issue when using my iphone 4 so it only happens from the Galaxy2 at the minute. I will try and use a colleagues Android phone to text him and test it.
Somehow you, or TSP (Telephone Service provider), have inserted a sms mail server address that is not valid.
here in my country, there has been scams, "cheaper SMS, enter this server setting" and stuff like that, so there is a setting on you phone that is wrong.
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Somehow you, or TSP (Telephone Service provider), have inserted a sms mail server address that is not valid.
here in my country, there has been scams, "cheaper SMS, enter this server setting" and stuff like that, so there is a setting on you phone that is wrong.
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Can't be cause of settings, if he can actually send new sms to that number, but he can't reply from the received sms. His settings are correct as long as he can send sms. Must be something else. Are you using default sms app or a third party software ?
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Can't be cause of settings, if he can actually send new sms to that number, but he can't reply from the received sms. His settings are correct as long as he can send sms. Must be something else. Are you using default sms app or a third party software ?
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I am using the stock SMS app. I have just wiped the phone and installed the KF2 firmware. Going to see if that helps.
Sp1tfire, thats right, i can only reply to him when i delete the existing thread. I can however send new SMS to him no problem, so long as the thread is deleted before hand. Very frustrating as i lose the history every time.
Update, exactly the same on KF2 Firmware.
Ok, so i tried with a friends HTC desire and he has the same issue. also found my brother who has an iphone 3gs is unable to reply to my Dads number. So at least know its no longer just my phone and that it must be something the other end. Many thanks for the help.
Same problem here
When I reply to my girl it says: failed, when i delete the whole thread it goes.
It's only when I text her, all the other contact go fine
On my old sgs I had it to, but only on stock, when I was on CM7 it was OK.
Cant imagine that its something with the other phone i'm sending it to though
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Can't be cause of settings, if he can actually send new sms to that number, but he can't reply from the received sms. His settings are correct as long as he can send sms. Must be something else. Are you using default sms app or a third party software ?
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I remember in all the previous phones I've had, there's been a setting in the SMSC Settings allowing the user to specify whether or not to "Reply using the same SMSC" (or something along those lines).
If the option is ticked, the phone attempts to reply to the message through the SMSC that the text originally came from (rather than the one set in your handset).
The cause of the error may be because the SMSC overseas does not recognise your phone/SIM and therefore won't allow the replying message to go through.
And perhaps this may explain why deleting the whole thread and restarting a brand new message works - that is, the new message will go through the SMSC that is set in your phone for your own network.
Although, I've had a look through the settings in my SGS2 and can't seem to find that setting anywhere... (doesnt mean it's not there - it could just be that I don't know my phone well enough because I've only had it for a few days ).
I think your dad's SMS configuration settings is forcing you (or any other person he is sending an SMS to) to reply through his operators message centre
Ask him to check his sms settings and disable any such message centre settings from his side. This should solve the problem.
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Anyone else have issues with texts sometimes not sending and then suddenly sending a bunch at once?
I don't notice it on my end, and this comes when I use handcent since I have GV forward texts to the phone and have notifications turned off for GV on the phone.
So even though my phone shows the text as sent there have been multiple times when people will receive 10 or so texts at say 5 am.
Then today I just received 2 that were sent on sunday but they even just arrived in GV as well as the phone.
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Anyone else have issues with texts sometimes not sending and then suddenly sending a bunch at once?
I don't notice it on my end, and this comes when I use handcent since I have GV forward texts to the phone and have notifications turned off for GV on the phone.
So even though my phone shows the text as sent there have been multiple times when people will receive 10 or so texts at say 5 am.
Then today I just received 2 that were sent on sunday but they even just arrived in GV as well as the phone.
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I've experienced the same issue. Also have GV enabled but am using a stock ROM and the stock messaging app. Very odd behavior. Stock message app indicates the sms was sent, but GV and the receipt have not received.
At some future point in time, sometimes a few days later, the SMS will be correctly sent and GV will show and receipt will receive. Haven't been able to narrow down the issue. Very odd bug.
I would speculate its either related to some delay between Sprint and GV or some delay on our device ... My friend has no issues with their NS4G using Sprint and GV so that leads me to think its related to our specific device ...
Any other information anybody has gathered could help us narrow the issue down?
I'm not on stock, so it's not rom specific I guess
I send text messages daily. I am having problem. I have a friend where every time i send a text she doesn't receive it, but every time she sends me a text I can get them but she doesn't get mine. She is on ATT, and I send a lot of text to people on ATT. Any ideas?
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I send text messages daily. I am having problem. I have a friend where every time i send a text she doesn't receive it, but every time she sends me a text I can get them but she doesn't get mine. She is on ATT, and I send a lot of text to people on ATT. Any ideas?
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Did you try rebooting your phone?
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-You're saying that everyone else you text gets your messages?
I had a similar problem where I wouldn't get any texts from my girlfriend, I had to wait a week for them all to come. I never figured out what caused it.
I'm having trouble with my phone's messaging. I can send texts fine, but I can't send any group messages or MMS messages. I've tried unrooting, updating to the newest OTA update, using a third party texting app, and replacing the SIM card. Nothing works. I can't send or receive group messages or attachments. I tried Go SMS Pro, and when I tried to send group messages, it failed, then sent the message individually to each person. When I tried sending a picture, it said the service was not activated on the network.
This got me thinking it might be something with our texting plan, but everyone else in my family can send and receive group messages and attachments without problems. So it's a problem with my phone only. Does anyone have suggestions?
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I'm having trouble with my phone's messaging. I can send texts fine, but I can't send any group messages or MMS messages. I've tried unrooting, updating to the newest OTA update, using a third party texting app, and replacing the SIM card. Nothing works. I can't send or receive group messages or attachments. I tried Go SMS Pro, and when I tried to send group messages, it failed, then sent the message individually to each person. When I tried sending a picture, it said the service was not activated on the network.
This got me thinking it might be something with our texting plan, but everyone else in my family can send and receive group messages and attachments without problems. So it's a problem with my phone only. Does anyone have suggestions?
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might try going into your setting and unchecking fastboot .. read somewhere that worked for others ... good luck
Nope, that didn't work, either before or after a reboot. Any other suggestions?
Had a similar issue. I don't know if its because I'm still locked and unrooted but I recieved an error code when I would try to send messages. I actually had to get o the phone with Big Red and they had reconnect me to another network connection of some sorts. Weird.
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Sorry, what do you mean you had to "get o the phone with Big Red"? You had to carry it back to Verizon?
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Sorry, what do you mean you had to "get o the phone with Big Red"? You had to carry it back to Verizon?
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He missed a 'n', he got on the phone with big red. Aka he called Verizon.
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This has been solved. I switched my number in January, and the service had been disabled then. I was able to get into a live chat with a vzw customer support guy, and he was helpful enough not only to fix MMS, but also group messaging on my phone. It took a couple of hours after trying in vain to put a password in over the phone, but contacting Verizon is the only way to fix this. If you have rooted your phone (as I had previously), and you still have that ugly "tampered" or "relocked" message at the top of the bootloader, Verizon's live chat system is probably your best bet. Even if you haven't rooted your phone, live chat may be faster. You can skip the "reboot, reset, ask other employees for help" routine you'll probably go through if you go to a physical location.
I think I have the same problem too..
When I'm sending a group message .. one of or two of the messages wont send