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which tablet do you have in.mind as an upgrade for this?
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Do you mind to share why you are thinking of upgrading or replacing?
I am a very satisfied user of the GT10.1 - there is no need to rush for upgrades or replacement now.
Maybe next year with ICS and Quad-Core CPU's there will be some reason to upgrade.
I would recommend to you to sit down and enjoy your GT10.1 until a significantly better and more powerful tablet becomes available.
There is no better option today - simple as that!
If you don't like some minor lags and bugs present on Honeycomb, you can try the iPad2. I tried and gave up - I really don't adapt to Apple's limited iOS, I like the freedom to customize and play with the OS - and only Android can give me that.
And looking on other Android tablets, I went for the GT10.1 because of its weight and thickness - which was important to me, because my primary use is for ebook handheld reading.
My sincere advice - enjoy your tablet and wait for mid-2012 - there will be plenty of new options by then!
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Do you mind to share why you are thinking of upgrading or replacing?
I am a very satisfied user of the GT10.1 - there is no need to rush for upgrades or replacement now.
Maybe next year with ICS and Quad-Core CPU's there will be some reason to upgrade.
I would recommend to you to sit down and enjoy your GT10.1 until a significantly better and more powerful tablet becomes available.
There is no better option today - simple as that!
If you don't like some minor lags and bugs present on Honeycomb, you can try the iPad2. I tried and gave up - I really don't adapt to Apple's limited iOS, I like the freedom to customize and play with the OS - and only Android can give me that.
And looking on other Android tablets, I went for the GT10.1 because of its weight and thickness - which was important to me, because my primary use is for ebook handheld reading.
My sincere advice - enjoy your tablet and wait for mid-2012 - there will be plenty of new options by then!
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Man I couldn't have said it any better myself!!!
I'm with you m8, I think most people who post asking when the next os update is coming out or what the next device your going to upgrade to are really missing out. Instead of worrying about all that... Just enjoy.
And in my honest opinion the GT10. 1 is on the top of the heap right now... I had an Xoom for a week, took it back. I have a EVO View 4G that I use for work and my Tab knocks both of them out of the water.
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Instead of replacing I like to have more than one. I was tempted by Sony S1 but held myself from buying it. (Just for PSX games. But no HDMI on board.) I had a Transformer for a week. I have a GTAB 7 which I rarely use now. I love 10.1, but I miss the sim, and sd slots there. USB adapter is not the best solution. I really dont care how thin or light it is. My next tablet will not be a Samsung this time. I am really tired of waiting for them to update the firmware. I did manual update for Gtab7. S1 is getting 3.2 update now. Xoom and others too. I think I will wait this time for a quad core.... and I am very tempted for a windows 8 slate, but market and battery issues with W8 is a question mark.
I am in the camp of loving my tab. I don't even think about other tablets. I picked mine up on launch day in the u.s. and in the 3 months that I have had it we received the touchwiz update. With word of ICS coming this fall I see no reason for Samsung to spend any resources on honeycomb 3.2, really what is the point to spending all those development resources on 3.2 when everybody will be moving to ICS?
You also have to wonder just how much improvement the new processors will affect what tablets can do. You will hear people say that newer tablets can do this or that but if you look at how technology evolves, the improvement comes in steps, not giant leaps. I personally am not going to drop $500 plus on a new tablet and accessories every year, although Best Buy would love that. Did you buy a new desktop computer every year? This doesn't just pertain to android either, other than weight and a crappy camera, what does the ipad 2 do that the first can't?
I bet in one year in the transformer 2 or xoom 2 forums there will be a thread that reads, "was upgrading really worth it?" Or "why is there only a handful of apps that utilize the quad core?"
I also understand that there are people who absolutely have to have the newest tech and play around with it. Like a hobby. But then there are also others who just never will be satisfied with what they have.
Personally I think I will wait and upgrade every two years like my phones so that you can see marked improvement and give time for developers to increase the amount of content that is compatible with newer devices. Sure I can want more ports and not just a 30 pin connector but I knew this when I bought the tab, so I can't really complain about it. Long story short- I use my tab every day, getting my moneys worth, see you in two years on another forum.
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Depending on how the Next gen honeycomb tablets bring to the gameboard i might just wait it out for a ipad 3... personally i own a galaxy tab 10.1 atm its really good serves all my needs except for hdmi output...
I am eagerly awaiting the HP Touchpad 2.
More seriously, I just dropped several hundred on the Samsung 10.1 a few months ago so why bother with crippling my enjoyment by worrying about obsolescence? There will no doubt be something newer and better soon enough, but I doubt it will be able to do anything more other than this one and feature only incremental improvements.
The Windows 8 Tablets will suck for home use unless they actually relase an ARM version of that OS. I wouldn't want to cuddle up on the couch with a tablet that had a cooling fan.
Lookout for the iPad 3,though. It just might be slick enough to excuse Apple's restrictions.
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Depending on how the Next gen honeycomb tablets bring to the gameboard i might just wait it out for a ipad 3... personally i own a galaxy tab 10.1 atm its really good serves all my needs except for hdmi output...
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Sorry, but today I spent hours playing Crash Bandicoot on my 55" Samsung TV. Fpse+ps3 joypad+Samsung hdmi adapter. So I am quite happy with the hdmi out. No flickering. Only I don't have all screen estate. Bars both sides.
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If I had the cash to toss around I would seriously be looking at the Toshiba Excite that's about to come out. Don't know too much about specs but it has on board microUSB, USB, and a microSD card slot, on a surprisingly thin body. That would be pretty cool.
xoom2 for me, i've had the xoom but took it back and now i have the sgt 10.1. It has been stated that a quad core ics tablet will be out before christmas so i will probably take back this sgt and wait for that.
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...ng-to-as-many-htc-devices-as-possible-1036042
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Not conjecture at all. Instead carefully worded market speak for "we will be letting you know soon which of the devices you bought do not meet OUR goals for Android OS updates" Just as they did with the Hero, Eris, etc. that were determined by HTC to be end of life after 5 or 6 months on the market.
Notice that HTC , unlike Motorola and Samsung has not even announced an upcoming new model that will run ICS.
Here's some real conjecture for you.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2011/1...st-which-tablets-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich/
The one thing we have going for us here is that our HW is not outdated yet, therefore we should be able to keep up to date with android for a while. 1.5ghz 1gb of ram is still very respectable specs, even with all this dual core nonsense being thrown around lately.
Ive thought this for a while, but i wouldnt be surprised to see the Flyer on the list of ICS-bound devices, it would make sense while there is no HC yet..
The hardware is fully capable. Better than anything on the market or announced. The question lies with HTC. Will they invest the time and money given their past problems with getting updates done. Heaven's to Betsy. the Thunderbolt and some of their top of the line are still running Froyo. Thunderbolt was just announced last week that its finally maybe going to get Gingerbread. I'd say not a chance Flyer will see HTC ICS except for the fact that HTC's prime phones use the same or similar processor and the Jetstream tablet as well. So if HTC wants to stay in the game, they are ALMOST compelled to update those and the Flyer may read that again MAY tag along.
So here is my own conjecture. HTC will not invest more money in the Flyer and will not do an ICS, but, Cyanogen (or similar 3rd party) will if Google releases the source code as they promised, possibly using a port of an HTC Jetstream or Sensation ICS update.
Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
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Read this for a good perspective of where Google and the Android update schedules actually sit at the moment. Google tired to get a group of hardware makers to agree to timely updates and virtually nothing came from it. Google has no control.
http://www.tested.com/news/what-googles-android-update-deal-means-for-fragmentation/2310/
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Fragmentation is my biggest peeve with Android. In my opinion its one of the reasons it hasn't reached Its full potential and why the android tablet market staggers. Honestly speaking, tomorrow is the last day of my return period and quite honestly I'm having second thoughts now, the only real alternative is a 8.9 inch Samsung sitting on 3.1 with no word on an ICS update either. Say what you want about Apple but someone who buys an iPad2 today doesn't have to worry about upgrades or the manufacturers commitment to their product. The only proactive manufacturer I've seen as of late is MOTO mobility.
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I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
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Fragmentation is my biggest peeve with Android. In my opinion its one of the reasons it hasn't reached Its full potential and why the android tablet market staggers. Honestly speaking, tomorrow is the last day of my return period and quite honestly I'm having second thoughts now, the only real alternative is a 8.9 inch Samsung sitting on 3.1 with no word on an ICS update either. Say what you want about Apple but someone who buys an iPad2 today doesn't have to worry about upgrades or the manufacturers commitment to their product. The only proactive manufacturer I've seen as of late is MOTO mobility.
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I am holding out hopeful that the new Xoom 2s will save the day for those of us raised in the day of the PDA and waiting for the content-server-tablet to merge with and mature into a scribe-annotation-drawing-tool-slate.
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I remain optimistic for the Flyer. I don't expect much from HTC, but I believe one of our independent developers will pick the ICS ball up and run with it.
HTC has shown a previous pattern of leaving their customers behind. I hope it is changing, but I don't count on it.
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I'm keeping mines as well. Mostly because this is getting exhausting and the tablet I've been waiting for doesnt exist yet.
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I am holding out hopeful that the new Xoom 2s will save the day for those of us raised in the day of the PDA and waiting for the content-server-tablet to merge with and mature into a scribe-annotation-drawing-tool-slate.
...xoom posted...
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Wow. The tablet that I'm waiting for is the rumored 7 inch Xoom. We're on the same page.
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Wow. The tablet that I'm waiting for is the rumored 7 inch Xoom. We're on the same page.
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I feel like Goldilocks before knowing what is "just right". My 7" Flyer may be too small...my 10.1" may be too big...could a 8.9" Xoom 2 w/N-Trig be just right? The future looks bright.
The leaks on Android 3.2 looked so good (and close) I am hoping they just shifted their attention to ICS in order to leverge upgrading handsets and tablets at the same time. I know the whole world is gaga about multi-core processors, but in the tablet space, I think our little 1.5ghz Flyers will hold their own for some time to come. Here's to hoping we have a little ice cream goodness around the corner...
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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Just forget about it.
Niteize said:
I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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Why would you want a tablet with the same problems? From the Infinity benchmark, it seems the I/O is just as poor on it as the Prime.
If you are not happy with the Prime, I doubt the Infinity will make you feel any better about it.
Why buy another Asus product? After reading a few threads the other day i feel that is a general consenous. The true question is with the ever so changing tech in our world. You are willing to buy another Asus tablet? Me personally im not sure. Mine isnt bad but i deff have my quirks.
No chance.
Heh. In a perfect world...
However, in a perfect world, the Prime wouldn't be as screwy as it is. I'm personally done with their products.
Prime isnt perfect, but its still the best Tablets for my needs Its a complete laptop replacement for me.
The infinity is cool but the resolution isnt an issue for me and wifi is perfect for my needs. GPS was never needed in my situation.
Show me Tablet that offers the same or more functionality as the prime/infinity for the same price?
Me too. I'm done with them. I was having problems with their mobo that lasted a year; RMAed it and got sent a replacement with 2 dead RAM slot; special RMAed that, my replacement was late and 1 dead RAM slot and BIOS issue. deciding whether I wanna try again. Essentially i believe they sent me un-"fixed" mobo that other people sent in. I mean QA that crap. It's not that hard to test. Sorry I digressed. But between that and the Prime fiasco, they lost me. The sad thing is they USED TO BE really good b/c years ago I didn't have a problem.
Ain't gonna happen.
Sorry, there is no Santa Claus. :crying:
Well what other options are there? please don't say Toshiba or worse Apple, we are here because we don't want to be dictated too from Apple. Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve? Hoping Google I/O will have something for us to get excited about.
I'll be getting a Samsung next
There's nothing Asus can do at this point to make me a return customer. Nvidia can go f¥ck themselves too they're the real problem
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Its not happening. I already checked, several times actually. no upgrades, no discounts, no deals, no nothing.
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Well what other options are there? please don't say Toshiba or worse Apple, we are here because we don't want to be dictated too from Apple. Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve? Hoping Google I/O will have something for us to get excited about.
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Galaxy Note 10.1 my friend, Galaxy Note 10.1.
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Its not happening. I already checked, several times actually. no upgrades, no discounts, no deals, no nothing.
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I for one think you deserve a "free" Infinity for all the dmg control & marketing you do for Asus. Of course, if you do receive one.. I hope you don't tease everyone of the privilege you are receiving.... no matter how "daring" e.mote is. =P
Well stated. Let Gary know..lol
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I for one think you deserve a "free" Infinity for all the dmg control & marketing you do for Asus. Of course, if you do receive one.. I hope you don't tease everyone of the privilege you are receiving.... no matter how "daring" e.mote is. =P
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I know right..lol thanks...if I did I wouldn't tease. id more then likely take requests on testing things people would want to know.
Maybe if IM lucky they would look out for me like that but I wouldn't hold my breathe on it. Lol
Send Gary a pm or email saying what you said here
By tease ... I meant... Not revealing any info on you receiving one. This forum isn't going to take that well if you received one for free...
Thus, if you do receive one... ANY info. (even if you wanted to do testing for others) on it should be disclosed & keep it personal to yourself.
I'll pass, only motherboards from ASUS from here on out. It's too bad they're making the nexus tab.
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Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve?
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I have to say: Forget Samsung. I've got a S+, the device itself is good, but Samsung's support is the worst I've ever seen. You believe Asus is a bad company? They shipped out free GPS-dongles for at least *some* customers and they really seem to try to sort issues out (although they obviously fail).
Now to my experience with Samsung: The S+ is offered by Amazon since the 1st July '11, what has Samsung done since then? They added more bloatware to their ROM and managed to decrease the performance. I also bought the S+, because I thought it would get an Update to ICS, and I was not alone with that opinion. Well, Samsung has not updated to ICS, because our device "can't handle it", instead they released a "Value Pack", which adds the look of ICS. Arco ported ICS9 to the S+ and it runs better than all GB versions from Samsung. And remember, Samsung also "wants" you to flash through Kies.
If you want something that works out-of-the-box, then pick everything but Samsung.
My experience with Asus is definetley better than with Samsung.
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By tease ... I meant... Not revealing any info on you receiving one. This forum isn't going to take that well if you received one for free...
Thus, if you do receive one... ANY info. (even if you wanted to do testing for others) on it should be disclosed & keep it personal to yourself.
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point taken. honestly, IM interested in their win8 talerts now. I can't imagine infinity pad experience being much different than prime. aside from higher resolution screen. that transformer book or 600 or 800 is what I really want. I wouldn't mind getting back into windows scene again.
Theres a ton of tablets about to drop soon. font know if its a good idea to get one of these new ones or wait till 2013. by then these new tablets will have newer upgraded processors. Android or win8 with tegra4 is what IM really waiting for. even quad core exynos would be good. ibe seen some articles stating new T3+ will likely be used in new tablets and not just phones. I see nvidia milking tegra3 or T3+ till tegra4 is ready. I think tegra4 might pop up end of q1 2013 or q2 if we lucky.
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point taken. honestly, IM interested in their win8 talerts now. I can't imagine infinity pad experience being much different than prime. aside from higher resolution screen. that transformer book or 600 or 800 is what I really want. I wouldn't mind getting back into windows scene again.
Theres a ton of tablets about to drop soon. font know if its a good idea to get one of these new ones or wait till 2013. by then these new tablets will have newer upgraded processors. Android or win8 with tegra4 is what IM really waiting for. even quad core exynos would be good. ibe seen some articles stating new T3+ will likely be used in new tablets and not just phones. I see nvidia milking tegra3 or T3+ till tegra4 is ready. I think tegra4 might pop up end of q1 2013 or q2 if we lucky.
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You do realize that Tegra 3+ and even Tegra 4 (grey) is based on A9 right? Which .. like you said.. is basically milking Tegra 3 & nothing more... without significant improvement... except.. drop to 28nm, increase clock speed & increase GPU core to make it sound like it is vast improvement. All the issues & bottlenecks being found in Tegra 3 will persist as it shares the same architecture.
Tegra 4 (wayne).. if it is even Tegra 4 anymore .... most likely will be delayed even further to late 2013.
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I have to say: Forget Samsung. I've got a S+, the device itself is good, but Samsung's support is the worst I've ever seen. You believe Asus is a bad company? They shipped out free GPS-dongles for at least *some* customers and they really seem to try to sort issues out (although they obviously fail).
Now to my experience with Samsung: The S+ is offered by Amazon since the 1st July '11, what has Samsung done since then? They added more bloatware to their ROM and managed to decrease the performance. I also bought the S+, because I thought it would get an Update to ICS, and I was not alone with that opinion. Well, Samsung has not updated to ICS, because our device "can't handle it", instead they released a "Value Pack", which adds the look of ICS. Arco ported ICS9 to the S+ and it runs better than all GB versions from Samsung. And remember, Samsung also "wants" you to flash through Kies.
If you want something that works out-of-the-box, then pick everything but Samsung.
My experience with Asus is definetley better than with Samsung.
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You do realize you are comparing Smartphone support to Tablet support. Can't compare the two...
Smartphone.. due to "carrier" restrictions.. have pathetic support throughout the whole sector. Even the "Nexus" devices have craptastic support in s/w....
Also, Samsung devices are released with unlocked bootloader & nvflash....
Asus devices aren't....
Jelly Bean is suppose to be coming in a few months as ASUS originally says:
Dear valued ASUS customer,
At ASUS, one of the key commitments we make to our customers is a relentless drive to deliver the best user experience. We constantly strive to achieve this goal through our 'Design Thinking' philosophy that includes regular software and firmware updates for our products.
We are pleased to announce that many of our tablet products are scheduled to receive an update to Android 4.1, Jelly Bean. The ASUS Transformer Pad, ASUS Transformer Pad Prime and ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity are all scheduled to receive Android 4.1 updates in the coming months. We will provide further guidance on our expected timeframes for these updates near their release.
We are still investigating Jelly Bean updates for other devices, but we are not in a position to confirm whether any other products will be eligible for an update at the moment.
Thank you for your continued support.
ASUS
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It shouldn't take that long for something like Jelly Bean to arrive since there isn't a huge difference between ICS. They should focus on the bugs of the screen. I've noticed when playing videos, there is tearing on the sides and sometimes the whole screen. Project Butter wont really make much of a difference since the tablet already has a quadcore. And even Google Now, Voice Search are useless unless the Prime had 3G capabilities. All in all, I think there needs to be more development for tablets and they should take advantage of the Tegra3 processor,
Right now, the only official JB updates are going to Galaxy branded devices. They have like a 4 month 'exclusiveness' that was announced at Google IO. After that, the rest of our devices should start getting official updates.
I have not seen a single screen tear on my prime since I loaded JB. I used to get them ALL THE TIME on the stock rom. I did have an instance where my screen tore when running the NES emulator but that was the program and not the system. A restart fixed it.
As for the 3g thing, it doesn't have it but that doesn't render Google Now useless. As long as you have a WiFi connection, your fine. Worst case scenario, you can just tether your TFP to your phone. But when phones get JB (which a lot do), why not just use that instead?
I do agree that people should be taking advantage of the Tegra 3 stuff, but you also have to think that most app developers make things that will work on a majority of devices. If they made an app for each specific device and processor, they would never get anything done.
I think developers like high end developers (Gameloft, EA Sports and such, basically big companies) should start to work for tegra 3 devices. They can make normal apps for all devices, but if they worked hard. they can make such great apps that we have never seen or got to use before on a tablet or phone. Take advantage of the processor the ram. Like fruit ninja THD looks SO much better than the normal version. If big developers start then it wouldn't be a problem in the future because devices will soon have quad core as a default feature.