Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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OTA updates to the BC broke rooting so I assume a OTA to the NT would do the same. Usually rooting was restored in a few days. Custom kernels are a different issue and currently is unknown.
Kindle has CM7 booting on it. may have to go for the kindle over the nook tablet. Custom roms and kernels are a big selling factor and the kindle seems much closer to that.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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True... Sadly, I doubt the higher ups of B&N really care about that small 1% for whom this is a concern. I'm still on the fence myself, but for me it's a NT or just save my money and wait; The lack of uSD kills the KF for me and I don't need/want a tablet enough to justify anything with a higher pricetag.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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I think its a little early to say its being written off. The awesome developers on this forum are still working on it, and probably others too. Even if the fully rooted device is as far as it goes, it is still a great device for the money.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Not likely. Stopped by B&N on the way from class today and saw 3-4 people walk out with the NT during the time(30 min?) I was hanging around talking to the "tech". They're still selling quite well, but time will tell if they can keep it up.
B&N couldn't care less about losing sales to those who aren't buying their low cost eReader to use as intended. There is little to no margin for selling it as a general purpose tablet so they really don't care that those who can't load a custom ROM aren't happy with their device. Lot's of more expensive tablets out there for those who want to do custom development and a Nook app for those who want to buy their online products.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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Sideloaded apps also. You wanna move files to the B&N partition, you use root file manager to move.
I wouldnt mind buying apps if b&n actually had any in thier market. They dont have crap.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
Custom ROMS and kernels allow you to really extend the life of your device (meaning the device won't seem outdated so quickly). The CPU can be overclocked, the voltage tweaked for better battery life, newer versions of the android OS can be uploaded, etc.
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... Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale.
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Question: What happens when B&N releases an automatic update (replacing your system and your downloaded apps) and it closes the hole that you used to install additional apps?
Answer: We don't know. Having a way around the bootloader (eg, booting SDcards) gives some assurance that we will be able to root future versions, allowing continued "unauthorized" apps.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
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Here's why:
- A regular build of Android is better than the dumbed down version used in the nook tablet line.
- Ice Cream Sandwich is 10x better than Gingerbread.
- A tablet version of Android is better than smartphone version used in the nook.
Thanks everyone for the quick education. I understand much better now. It does appear that with a locked bootloader the customer is at the mercy of the vendor. They control the software, they control the hardware you just bought and paid for. I get it now. Sounds like I just rented a Barnes & Noble portal to their content. They can close the back door to any other apps anytime they choose. Almost doesn't seem fair.
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They are censoring and pruning criticism. They deleted my post that outlined several disappointments. The post was not inflammatory or insulting at all. It just outlined issues I had with the device, and why I was disappointed with the purchase.
I touched on locked bootloader, 1GB restriction, and not being able to sideload apps via the SD card.
I know they are entitled to censor their page, but that's really disappointing.
No surprises there. It's all about corporate image and they are fighting against Amazon right now.
We could make our own Facebook page to voice our disappointments. They couldn't delete that. Just a thought.
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We could make our own Facebook page to voice our disappointments. They couldn't delete that. Just a thought.
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I totally would if I still had a vested interest in this product. I decided to take mine back and grab the Galaxy Tab 7 plus, and not because of the locked boot loader or issues with it. TBH, I have total confidence that it will get rooted and there will be development, it just takes time. Personally it's been their support and attitude that turned me off. The BN support told me to take it to the store and I could get it partitioned, drove all the way there (which is about 30 min away), and everyone there had no idea what I was talking about. One semi-knowledgeable person said I could only repartition if it was a NC.
That kinda stuff really bothers me. I'd rather spend the extra $, at least I know what I'm getting with a Samsung product.
The Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus has already been rooted.
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I know. I was talking about the NT getting rooted eventually.
One thing that annoys me is that after the Color was rooted, B&N marketing made a huge deal about it being a tablet. Not that they mentioned rooting, but they did ride the tablet buzz. And how did they thank the community that made that possible?
I've bought lots more Kindle books than Nook books, and I see that trend continuing in spite of it being so much less annoying to have put the Nook app on my Kindle Fire than the Kindle app on my Nook Tablet.
So, I just checked the B&N face book page and there are many posts including mine. Mine specifically got...a little spirited.(some one on the internet thinks i was wrong. REALLY felt the need to inform me of that.)
Where did buy your 7.0 Tab Plus if you don't mind me asking
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Where did buy your 7.0 Tab Plus if you don't mind me asking
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I got it today at Best Buy. I think it was worth the extra $. The good thing about buying it at BB right now is I have until Jan 24th 2012 to return it. So basically risk free for 2 months. I love their holiday return policy.
It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
While I do agree you should take a stand against a company, threatening to return something isn't the way to go about it. I think there is more formal methods but I'm not saying you're wrong, just wanting true proper justification for the act.
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It's already a really good device after you root and sideload apps. I just don't see the point in the reasoning of "WE CANT HAVE CUSTOM ROMS" I mean we're working on it but for the time being, you can make the tablet pretty freakin' great. I worked on mine and now it looks like it's running honeycomb aside from missing a few important settings that B&N so kindly ripped away from the tablet, we have everything working pretty well and to our liking. We will get custom roms but it might not be ICS but who cares? Anything is better than how our tabs came out of the box. I enjoy it and I despise the original firmware and I can honestly say, I now love this device.
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I think you missed the Nook Color and how much fun it was. BN lied outright to me before I bought this device. Most people bought the nook color because they could make it "their own". That will never be possible with a locked bootloader. The NT has great specs, but so does the Droid Bionic and there is 2 developers on it in over 3 months. The kernel sucks so the roms can't improve things much.
I'm just disappointed. I was looking for a dual core, 7-inch tablet that didn't suck. When this came out I thought that it's perfect. I'll just load ICS onto it and it'll be a steal for $259! I guess B&N really ****ed me over this time.
Quite simply: I wouldn't return mine, but then again, I'm not a rebel non-conformist like some people are. I research a device and make sure it fits my needs and is to my liking before I buy it. I'm pretty happy with my little NT.
I don't know where you're getting you "rebel non-conformist" accusation from. Some of us just like the idea of buying cheap hardware and putting a tablet-centric operating system on it. What's wrong with that?
Granted, I should have looked it up sooner and figured out that the bootloader was locked. But that's my fault.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, sounds great. But there's a saying, I believe it goes: 'You get what you pay for.' ;p I was mostly referring to the bro trying to throw around money to convince people to crack the bootloader or whatever that entails.
The only thing missing that would be supplied by a custom ROM like CM7 is copy/paste, but I suppose I can live without it for now.
I was considering returning the tablet but I've decided to keep it. For my money, it's the best device of it's kind out there and at this point I've tried quite a few. The only reason I was considering returning it is because of the fear that B&N might push out an update that will block the ability to sideload apps. I haven't been successful in my attempts to root the NT yet (still working on it) but now I'm determined to root it, if only to try and block automatic updates. If it wasn't for those updates, I'd happily remain unrooted forever. The ability to sideload apps is more than enough for me and that ability turns a really good tablet into a truly fantastic one.
If B&N closes the loophole, I will still be able to use the NT to read books and comics and watch movies and that will be great. But right now I can do so much more and it would be a shame to lose that ability. And so I continue my attempts to root and then block OTA updates. So far no success, but I'm gonna keep at it. I will do whatever I can do to help the NT remain as fantastic as it has been so far.
I wouldn't return mine. I knew going in the bootloader was locked. Sure, I'd love it if it wasn't, but I'm satisfied with sideloading and rooting. My NT is now pretty much perfect for my needs, and I consider it a steal for the price.
Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience. I even quit buying Kindle books and started buying nook books to support B and N further.
My main reason for supporting them however is that I don't want the last book store I can visit to go under. If that means no CM then so be it.
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I had read about the locked bootloader before buying. I did wait until it was rooted and google market was available. I was watching the rooting thread as it was happening and bought it the next morning.
Pretty happy with my current NT setup right now, with all the apps I had when I had the NC. Only difference is that everything runs so much faster and smoother.
The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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Because we dont know if OTA updates will screw us over
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You do realize its able to be blocked by a hosts file? We just need the URLs for it
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Keeping or not keeping the Nook Tablet is a personal choice for each person. There are arguments on each side and having people fighting over them in a thread is just asking for the flaming and stuff to start here to like it is on the rezound forums lol.
I respect a person's choice to keep their tablet, and they should respect my decision to return it if the bootloader isn't unlocked.
As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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As of right now I feel mine was well worth the $250. It does almost everything you could want a Android device to do. The battery life is fantastic too. Also I fell the size is perfect too.
To all the people who want to *****, go over to the Barnes and noble forums and ***** if your going to, you have a much better chance of being heard. All your going to do here is piss off Devs and the other users.
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Considering this isn't the dev section (notice the "Nook Tablet General") section at the top this is EXACTLY the correct spot to complain. If you don't want to see upset people who were lied to complain then don't read the thread that is obviously (from the name "Why would you return the nook tablet") going to contain EXACTLY what you want to avoid.
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If you keep the Nook Tablet, you're telling B&N you're OK with a locked bootloader.
As a consumer, voting with your wallet is the best way to make corporations listen.
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What if we are OK with it? Seems to me that most here are satisfied with it as is. I mean, yes I want CM7 or 9 but to be honest, if it never came I certainly wouldn't regret my purchase.
I've owned a lot of tablets and this by far has been the best experience.
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Of course you're satisfied. You have a new toy, and right now you're either enjoying features you haven't had before, or are enjoying features you /have/ had before, but on a faster device or new screen size.
Being satisfied now does not equal being satisfied later though. Eventually you will wish you could upgrade your OS without having to buy new hardware, but that may not be possible.
More importantly though, sending the message to OEMs that we accept the restrictions they impose buy buying locked down devices only motivates them to do it again with future devices.
I'm voting with my wallet.
Thing is, if the bootloader was unlocked, I'd buy instantly, and most likely use the device stock for quite a while before installing any ROMs. That would at least allow a chance for me to try out the B&N book store service. By not buying, no chance. Hopefully they consider this and provide a solution.
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The thing I'm not happy with is the 1GB limit. To have almost 12 GB's sitting there that I have so little access to is beyond ridiculous.
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Personally, I'd rather see someone unlock the 11GB or so available internal memory reserved for B&N content. (Or maybe someone's already done that and I missed it, I dunno.) To me it's kind of equivalent to stores locking up RAM in an anti-theft cage - only I've purchased and taken my RAM home, but it's still locked in an anti-theft cage. I can only have it temp-unlocked each time I take it back to the same store and buy data from them.
Rotten idea, and it's the one I do hope B&N takes flak for- they push the Nook's OOB memory advantage hoping few realize their 16GB tablet is really a 1GB tablet for most uses. That's just a minor difference. Yeah, I know it has an SD slot, but I still want my internal 11GB's back as well.
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I thought it was discovered that rooting the device gave you access to this?
Because I've heard different answers to this question elsewhere, I wanted to post it here.
Will there be an opportunity for us to flash ROMS from Clockworkmods, etc. on the NT in the near future or not?
Thanks!
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Possibly, no ETA. No one knows at this point when but it is technically possible but it will take a lot of work from the devs to get around the bootloader.
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No idea when this would happen. The locked bootloader is big problem.
New here so excuse me if wrong: but I thought the Nook Color was unlocked, why would B&N do that? Wouldn't that kill their sales of the unit? Does anyone think there will be a leak to unlock the Tablet?
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New here so excuse me if wrong: but I thought the Nook Color was unlocked, why would B&N do that? Wouldn't that kill their sales of the unit? Does anyone think there will be a leak to unlock the Tablet?
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The number of people who buy a device based on whether the bootloader is locked or not is a very small number.
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If you don't feel like waiting a year to maybe have custom Roms, get a kindle fire, it has cm7 already and cm9 right around the corner.
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If you don't feel like waiting a year to maybe have custom Roms, get a kindle fire, it has cm7 already and cm9 right around the corner.
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I was hoping that the devs would find a solution but this seems to be the way to go.
Pretty much all the great devs have or are planning to get Kindle Fires.
The forum over there is "on fire" (pardon the pun)
As someone that loved the Nook Color that is very disappointing.
Yeah, I was on the fence between the two, but the locked bootloader, and kinda goofy looking form factor of the nook tab made the decision for me, and yeah, the kindle forums are busy. I am very happy with my choice.
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Cm7 for the kindle has no sound at the moment, so yes, you can get a kindle and enjoy a buggy customization experience. You can already do a lot with rooting and side loading apps; you'll do this with a better screen and hardware specs on the NT.
That being said, the bootloader is a major clockblock for development of custom ROMs. While we can still root and sneak in apps here and there, we are as-of-yet powerless to remove Barns&Nobles pared down version of the android experience. This is a real tough nut to crack, as we're forced to either bypass or crack it, both of which are not fun to do. Remember, hackers are a minute portion of buyers, and B&N is subsidizing the cost of the tablet with their ecosystem.
The KF, on the other hand does not have the locked bootloader, which means its more likely that meaningful development will continue for it.
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I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that somebody has already managed to bypass the locked bootloader? Is this correct? What will this mean?
I really don't get why anyone would get a kindle fire JUST because you can modify it more (right now). What's the point if it has no SD slot and choppy video playback?
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I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that somebody has already managed to bypass the locked bootloader? Is this correct? What will this mean?
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Source? No one from these forums has as of yet.
If it did happen though, it would mean the Kindle Fire would be a flaming pile of **** compared to the NT
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I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that somebody has already managed to bypass the locked bootloader? Is this correct? What will this mean?
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Nahh, not even close to unlocking the bootloader.
Shame I'm sure they'll get there though. Just a matter of when...
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Shame I'm sure they'll get there though. Just a matter of when...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20383778&postcount=104
Sounds like there is some hope. I have been long time user of the "other" tablet and ordered a Noon Tablet, should have it Monday. I hear there is a way to do "sidelaoder" to gain access to the whole android market without having to root it. Anyone have a guide I can reference to do it to mine? I see many instructions but want to be sure I pick a "safe" one.
Other than the market, I don't think there is much more I'd like it to do. Does android have a app for Synology NAS? I also like using XBMC on iPad, anyone know if adroid has it or something similar/better?
Anything thing else you recommend I do to the NT without having to root it? My mail functions for the tablet will be entertainment, internet, videos, pictures and music.
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Sounds like there is some hope. I have been long time user of the "other" tablet and ordered a Noon Tablet, should have it Monday. I hear there is a way to do "sidelaoder" to gain access to the whole android market without having to root it. Anyone have a guide I can reference to do it to mine? I see many instructions but want to be sure I pick a "safe" one.
Other than the market, I don't think there is much more I'd like it to do. Does android have a app for Synology NAS? I also like using XBMC on iPad, anyone know if adroid has it or something similar/better?
Anything thing else you recommend I do to the NT without having to root it? My mail functions for the tablet will be entertainment, internet, videos, pictures and music.
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To get market you have to root. I don't see why you wouldn't as there is the one click unroot app and the 8(or is it 10?) failed boot to factory restore if you have any issues and want to return to BN
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Really I didn't know root was that easy. Can you please point me where I can read how to do that?
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Really I didn't know root was that easy. Can you please point me where I can read how to do that?
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It's extremely simple to do. Enjoy!
Looks like I couldn’t post the link but Koopakid08 has below
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Really I didn't know root was that easy. Can you please point me where I can read how to do that?
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Instructions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354487
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Nooks purchased between Nov. 14, 2011 and Dec. 31, 2011, may be returned through Jan. 31, 2012.
after 1.41 blocking sideloading and my pc's not playing nice with my Ntablet, And Google announcing their own tablet at a competitive price, im almost positive I'm going to return this nook and wait. I was starting to love it with the sideloading but now I see B$N's app store and stand on sideloading....im really annoyed.
Im about to bring this thing back.
I'm seriously considering it. I love the hardware, but not sure I want to hassle with the software. Cfoesch taking hers back has really made me stop and reconsider.
Not that I don't think Adam et al aren't doing great work, and I think they'll eventually get great things running on it, I'm just starting to think that I don't want to bother with it.
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Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
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Is this only if you bought it through B&N?
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This is their "holiday return policy."
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I gave it a lot of thought, and actually returned mine back in December. IMO, it was bad enough that the bootloader was locked. Then they started pushing out updates to plug the sideloading hole.
And ok, there were ways around it, but to me, it was principal. Who the **** is B&N to tell me how to use a device that I spent $250 on? and that's precisely why I returned it. there's no better way to express one's disatisfaction with a company then to hit their bottom line.
its still a nice device, but I just didn't want to support them any longer given their new business model with this device.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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I agree. I really think that they are breaking the law by sending updates without the OWNERS approval.
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eh, there could be some language in the EULA saying that it's ok.
my problem is that they claim the hacking community is less than 3% of their total sales, and that's totally probable. However, if it's so small, why piss off that additional 3%? It's only going to contribute to total sales, granted that 3% isn't going to shop the B&N "store".
I understand their logic/rationale, but in the end, it's giving people a sour taste, and people are taking to boards, etc to complain. Anyone who hits up a google search about the Nook Tablet can see all the *****ing about the locked bootloader, and sideloading being plugged. Joe-Nobody may not even understand what any of that means, but just might not like seeing all the negative comments.
In the end, I won't give them my money. And that's all you can do, really. They're gonna get pushed out of the market by more powerful, actual, tablets, for marginally more money.
On the other hand, B&N are fighting the good fight against Microsoft against patent/licensing nonsense, so I like that. I'm hoping there's a way to get ICS eventually, but this is still a great device with 1.4.0, OTAs blocked, root, custom launcher, Market access, etc. This will tide me over for at least a few years.
Rooted and Loving It
I am thoroughly enjoying my NT. I got it in November, rooted it, had it unroot itself with the 1.4.1 update (urgggg), and used Indirect's method and other links to restore to 1.4.0, reroot, and block OTAs. My husband urged me to give up on the restore and reroot at one point, as it looked like I was going to blow a gasket or something. But I persevered.
Although I understand the sentiment that returning the device sends a message to B&N, I want to send a different kind of message.... I will do with this device as I choose. Although we (the 'rooters') are a small percentage of NT owners, we can be vocal and rather obstinate. I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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I like to think that B&N may win a few battles, but they will lose the war.
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unless B&N decides to release an unlock tool, I'm doubtful this will be the case. it's just not worth the dev's time to try and crack a bootloader to develop for it when there are so many other devices (with more on the way) that are already unlocked.
This is not my only tablet, and although my first go around with Android, this device serves my purpose (mostly a reader). I rooted and blocked the updates, so the only "real" issue is updating it with presumably better/more stable updates in the future without hosing it. 1.4.1 hasn't really received a lot of "Wow" feedback, so it was a maintenance update. Likely, we won't see much in the way up grand updates. B&N, if anything, will likely release a whole new device for any major updates.
Does it have issues? Yeah sure, what platform doesn't? But all in all, a reboot here and there is not so much of a problem. Will I keep it forever, not likely, that's what eBay is for.
I like what it does, I love the form factor and industrial design.It's a fun gadget.
Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Now that OTAs have been blocked, I see no real need to return the tablet. It does everything I want it to do and does it quite well. I have no idea how having ICS would make reading comics and watching movies better on the nook tablet. As such, I have no real need for it and don't care if it ever hits the NT.
Bottom line is that once you root and block OTAs, this is a powerful little tablet that's among the best (if not THE best) in its class. It has some issues but I'd rather deal with those than deal with a slow, glitchy piece of junk tablet that's fully hackable.
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Agreed. Most ppl just dont want the hassle of rooting or blocking ota.
Its not like you cant unroot it.
Yes the OP post is referring to extended holiday purchases.
I might change my tune if I didn't have the obscenely stubborn driver issues and could root but this whole experience with nook has been frustrating and left a bad taste in my mouth. Even towards their brick and mortar stores.
ONE MAJOR thing I overlooked when deciding was the Nook App store. $3 for something I already have and got for free? FU B$N. I dont even want the nook store on my/your tablet.
I, for one, will be keeping mine. I really like it as is (granted, all the additional work we had to do was ****ty but I've got it how I like it). Overall it's a great device
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Why would I do that? I had it rooted and OTA blocked less than an hour after I unboxed it (thanks to the XDA devs!), and it's been wonderful for whatever I want to use it for. Whatever drama comes from B&N is meaningless to me at this point, and if ICS becomes available for it at some point due to the efforts of the XDA community it will be the awesome sugary sweet icing on what is already a pretty tasty cake.
I wont be returning mine either. As much as id like to 'stick it' to b&n, I really am enjoying it with the snowball mod installed. Like another user said, idk how ICS will improve my comics/kindle/tversity watching and reading, but im happy with it now as is. This isn't to say id want the devs to stop working on it, improvements are always welcome, and im thankful for the work they've put into it thus far.
After snowball-mod came out I decided to keep my NT since it essentially strips it of most if not all of B&N content. Since OTA updates are basically blocked for now, I see no reason to return it because it does have pretty good hardware specs for its price range. Maybe CES 2012 will change my mind, but I highly doubt it because most stuff from CES are high cost... which in my mind is a no no... sticking with my NT until something better comes that is in a similar price range
I'm on the fence leaning towards keeping it. I agree with most of you saying that working on this device is a pain not to mention the constant reloading and rebooting the windows driver. But with all that said I'm still winning!
I have the 1.4.1 rooted
Installed the OTA 9.9.9 block
Running GO launcher
Every google app possible
Got rid of everything B&N
Changed my status bar from B&N to ICS9 (hated that lil book)
And changed the n button to a back button, no need for button savior
Basically the only reminder that I have that's it's an NT is the boot screen, and I'm working on changing that.
I'm off the mind that I've done all this work so far, I might as well keep it. For all tencent purposes it looks and runs like Android 3.0.
I have faith that the NT will be hacked and have ICS9 someday, but until then I'm satisfied. And even if it doesn't get hacked I'm still able to run and install the same apps as someone with ICS9.
Sent from my Nook Tablet.
Engadget just posted an article of ASUS teasing a 7" Tegra 3 ICS tablet that will be $249. I'm keeping mine as I bought it for my son (and I steal it from him all the time), but I would definitely buy the ASUS over the Nook Tablet at this point depending on it's release date.
Hey,
I've had my HDX 8.9 for quite a number of months now (virtually since release). I've been keeping an eye on this forum, waiting for an update on things. I'm really grateful for the work that's been done so far; some of you guys work hard to unlock these devices, so thanks, seriously.
I'm really looking forward to getting this thing to stock Android, since the device itself is a stunning piece of kit (both aesthetically and in regards to hardware specifications).
What are the odds of this device (and of course, the 7" model) being completely unlocked, and having stock Android?
If so, what kind of timescale are we looking at?
Thanks for the replies in advance guys.
Well it's not completely unlocked now but having a Rom slot with the AOSP rom is fairly good if not very good. I have nhad one problem so far and that auto rectified.
On a time frame I don't think anyone is sure yet. Just have to keep your fingers crossed.
(Would still like bluetooth tether to work thought on AOSP)
BRPW said:
Hey,
I've had my HDX 8.9 for quite a number of months now (virtually since release). I've been keeping an eye on this forum, waiting for an update on things. I'm really grateful for the work that's been done so far; some of you guys work hard to unlock these devices, so thanks, seriously.
I'm really looking forward to getting this thing to stock Android, since the device itself is a stunning piece of kit (both aesthetically and in regards to hardware specifications).
What are the odds of this device (and of course, the 7" model) being completely unlocked, and having stock Android?
If so, what kind of timescale are we looking at?
Thanks for the replies in advance guys.
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Honestly everyone in here is working on rooting when time from their real jobs allow. The first thing I learned in the android forums several years ago is not ask for a specific time frame. It could be tomorrow. It could be August. It could be never. I am very impatient myself and can't wait for working root. In due time the devs will come up with something. They are very good!!!
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Honestly everyone in here is working on rooting when time from their real jobs allow. The first thing I learned in the android forums several years ago is not ask for a specific time frame. It could be tomorrow. It could be August. It could be never. I am very impatient myself and can't wait for working root. In due time the devs will come up with something. They are very good!!!
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odds are slim im afraid, im resigned to having to use the google accounts in gmail that i managed to set up before losing root and some accounts using the email app
not ideal, actually pretty annoying because of some critical apps (and no bloody language selection in the keyboard, and etc) being missing, but i can live with it
no root means ads in browsers, so thats a big deal for me, as browsing is a killjoy much of the time
not a great reader either - you really need amoled to read well on dark screens (if youre like me)
so id gladly get rid of mine and buy the tab pro 8 incher tbh
rootcid said:
odds are slim im afraid, im resigned to having to use the google accounts in gmail that i managed to set up before losing root and some accounts using the email app
not ideal, actually pretty annoying because of some critical apps (and no bloody language selection in the keyboard, and etc) being missing, but i can live with it
no root means ads in browsers, so thats a big deal for me, as browsing is a killjoy much of the time
not a great reader either - you really need amoled to read well on dark screens (if youre like me)
so id gladly get rid of mine and buy the tab pro 8 incher tbh
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No root means ads everywhere on these horrible things. You buy the machine, then they advertise at you intrusively ad nauseum until you get sick of it, stomp on it or use it as discus? WTF is amazon thinking.
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No root means ads everywhere on these horrible things. You buy the machine, then they advertise at you intrusively ad nauseum until you get sick of it, stomp on it or use it as discus? WTF is amazon thinking.
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Um... dude how the hell do you think they have been able to sell it for such a low price + high end specs? Without the Amazon "offer" system, they would be making little to no profits whatsoever on the HDX. It's surprising they are making any profits on this at all on the HDX, considering their recent price drops.
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Um... dude how the hell do you think they have been able to sell it for such a low price + high end specs? Without the Amazon "offer" system, they would be making little to no profits whatsoever on the HDX. It's surprising they are making any profits on this at all on the HDX, considering their recent price drops.
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Without the constant barrage of unwanted ads it would be a million times better and the hardware is no better than any of the competitors, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 in all of them and arguably better build quality in the Nexus at least. IOW the ads are BS.
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Without the constant barrage of unwanted ads it would be a million times better and the hardware is no better than any of the competitors, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 in all of them and arguably better build quality in the Nexus at least. IOW the ads are BS.
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If it's ads are so hard to deal with, why didn't you just pay the extra 15$ to have them pre-removed? You talk like the ads are the worst thing to ever have to be dealt with, when it's just ambient noise.
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If it's ads are so hard to deal with, why didn't you just pay the extra 15$ to have them pre-removed? You talk like the ads are the worst thing to ever have to be dealt with, when it's just ambient noise.
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I agree. I paid an extra 1,500 pennies to get rid of the ads. A real no brainier for me.
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I agree. I paid an extra 1,500 pennies to get rid of the ads. A real no brainier for me.
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Outside of the US amazon has decreed ads for everyone, no option to remove. A real no brainer indeed.
Odds might go up: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2721505
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Outside of the US amazon has decreed ads for everyone, no option to remove. A real no brainer indeed.
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I'm in the UK and just phoned them up. They removed the ads for free. Result!
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