Hello everybody!
So with all the hype of ICS source being released, there are a few things I think Google is overlooking BIG TIME!
Forgive me if you don't agree or don't care for that matter.
First. I am really digging the new Google Music app as well as the addition of the music store being added to the market. But my question to Google would be, why use your music store vs. ITunes on my CPU? There is no music management system for Google, which in my opinion is a huge short fall. I understand that Google is really hitting the cloud hard, but what if I don't want my new purchases or any music in the cloud? Manually dragging and dropping music files is a pain in the @ss. I guess my frustrations revolve mostly around their web based music player than the music app. Drop the web based music player and release an application. Make it easy for android users to flawlessly sync their phone with their CPU and CPU with the cloud. Make it easy to sync my music and playlists.
And dude what's up with your LAME music widget? Seriously? You make this beautiful UI, built from the ground up and you dont even have the decency to revamp your music widget... Com'on man!
Second. Again this is attention to detail, why did you not update the ui in the clock app? It doesn't match the ICS ui at all. It didn't even match with GB for that matter.
Don't get me wrong, I love android and Google but there are just a few things (IMHO) that need to really be tended to.
I guess that's all for now.
Good day.
I agree. Thats why I still use iTunes. Best music manager to me.
Temari x Shikamaru
Since we're on the google music kick... anyone notice you can't make individual songs available offline in the app? You can only do artists or albums (though, I really only tried from the artist view)...
And yes, they do need to redo the widget. I'm not so interested in a standalone music player for pc, though I do see the need for better pc-android syncing.
If you purchase the song, and you play it or make it available offline, you can listen to the local cached version.
No drag and drop, it's just there.
Craysh said:
If you purchase the song, and you play it or make it available offline, you can listen to the local cached version.
No drag and drop, it's just there.
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I get that, and it does work well. It's the music that is not synced to the cloud has to be manually drag/drooped to the phone. There needs to be a better music management system.
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knowledge561 said:
I agree. Thats why I still use iTunes. Best music manager to me.
Temari x Shikamaru
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Exactly!
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Completely off-topic, but more people should know this:
CPU ≠ Computer.
The CPU is an extremely small part of a computer, it stands for Central Processing Unit, and is the brain of a computer, but again, is NOT the computer itself.
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By the way, I completely agree with this entire post, btw. Closest I've come to an iTunes-like experience has been DoubleTwist, and has worked well for me. Give it a shot, if you like iTunes then this is the Android equivalent.
This is Google 101 my friend..Make a product that works and pretty it up at a later date..Its been like this for years..They worry about the aesthetics later on..They are just a bunch of engineers with no eye for ease of use or appealing UI.
I'm sure they will throw a coat of paint on it in the future.
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Atoro said:
Completely off-topic, but more people should know this:
CPU ≠ Computer.
The CPU is an extremely small part of a computer, it stands for Central Processing Unit, and is the brain of a computer, but again, is NOT the computer itself.
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By the way, I completely agree with this entire post, btw. Closest I've come to an iTunes-like experience has been DoubleTwist, and has worked well for me. Give it a shot, if you like iTunes then this is the Android equivalent.
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Thanks for the clarification
I have used numerous apps, including double twist. While double twist has its perks, there needs to be a native android music management system. The problem with using other music apps is that you can't utilize there cloud. And with that it's annoying having to use two separate apps to accomplish what should be done with one. It seems redundant having to download an alternative app.
Also when you purchase music from the market its automatically stored "in the cloud". But when you select to download it to your phone from the music app, where does it save it to? MIUI music can't find any of my purchased music, nor can I using a file explorer. TIA.
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Lol I stopped reading at Itunes on your cpu hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Holy hell, you guys using itune or apple at all, that's a sin 'round here. You get burned at the stake for that. You should be embarrassed of your sinful admition.
Jk, but really using apple products, for shame feeding the beast. All your complaints will be fixed in due time.
Well Linux has a stand alone google music app. And everything is accessible from the browser in any OS. So I somewhat agree. I really don't know what the problem is but uploading music from a computer to google music is painfully slow. I 100% agree about the clock app and the music widget though. Everytime I set an alarm I cringe at the ugly UI lol
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Idc, iTunes is the best music app. Plus my first smartphone was an iphone
Temari x Shikamaru
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Well Linux has a stand alone google music app. And everything is accessible from the browser in any OS. So I somewhat agree. I really don't know what the problem is but uploading music from a computer to google music is painfully slow. I 100% agree about the clock app and the music widget though. Everytime I set an alarm I cringe at the ugly UI lol
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Is like they forgot about the clock lol
All I'm trying to her across is it would be nice to have some sort of iTunes type media management system to sync music, movies, shows, ringtones etc... Until then I don't foresee Google taking over the music market. ITunes works and works well (sorry to say it) and people have been using it for years.
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knowledge561 said:
Idc, iTunes is the best music app. Plus my first smartphone was an iphone
Temari x Shikamaru
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Sinner! Lol
Agreed.
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If you could just download the songs to your SD card and use any music player or release an api to allow apps like HTC music to use your Google music account. I hate having another music app because of this.
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Some it may be Google's agreements with the big record labels. I mean they make it virtually impossible to pull music you've downloaded from the store to a pc. But yes google needs to understand that although in the coming years the 'cloud' and tablets may be peoples only form of computing but until then and if they want to be successful now they need to make stand alone applications that is as robust as iTunes is for computers.
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I don't like itunes its incredibly over rated. There is nothing standout about it, plus it provides advertising and revinue for apple. I would rather use a folder on my desktop for arranging my music than use itunes.
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I don't like itunes its incredibly over rated. There is nothing standout about it, plus it provides advertising and revinue for apple. I would rather use a folder on my desktop for arranging my music than use itunes.
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Lol I love fanboys. You can still like Google and use apple products.
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We all know how Palm was able to mimic the USB ID and trick iTunes into thinking that it was a iPod. With all the hackers here and root access, is there no way to do this with Android too?
Yes, I'm well aware of all the crappy attempts to sync your iTunes music.
Why not just drag and drop? Unless you prefer the way ITunes shows your albums, etc?
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Tunesync is not crappy, works seamlessly...
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We all know how Palm was able to mimic the USB ID and trick iTunes into thinking that it was a iPod. With all the hackers here and root access, is there no way to do this with Android too?
Yes, I'm well aware of all the crappy attempts to sync your iTunes music.
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You know, I wanted a solution like this too...until I started using Audiogalaxy. Now I have no need for it, or to even waste space on my SD card by dragging & dropping music on it.
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Tunesync is not crappy, works seamlessly...
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+1 tunesync is anything but crappy.
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My brother used doubletwist to download all his songs off itunes to his phone. It's free and it works just fine.
I'm gonna check out these other two as well.
I'll check out TuneSync. Thanks for the replies.
I'm not a fan of Double Twist. The software on windows is hideous and doesn't work right most of the time.
ok so i was wondering if there is a way for my rooted galaxy s2 to be picked up in itunes???? or if i can build playlist on my computer and have the saved playlist show up already as a playlist on my phone??? (hope that makes sense..) i am getting annoyed of building and naming them on my phone.
thanks.
Nope. You can thank apple for that. Nearly everything Google has done works with Mac products in one way or another. Nearly nothing from apple works with anything else.
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Dam.... well what about creating a playlist while my phones connected to my computer? I just hate how I have to make the playlists on my phone and I have to search for the music and add to the playlist.
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Looks like some programs have come out to work around that:
http://androidforums.com/android-media/16874-make-playlists-computer.html
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You can use Songbird on your computer as a replacement for iTunes. Install Device addon to specify what formats your phone supports and to where to sync (in MSC mode). Then create playlists in it and sync with your device. Another option is Winamp but it wasn't good for me.
Edit: You can even use WMP if phone is connected in MTP mode, but WMP has limited format support.
Or if you want to use iTunes, use something like iSyncr.
thanks guys imma give this a try later today.
ok so double twist is what i need and anyone else who wants to transfer there playlist and not have to rebuild them manually on their handset. you can download it here for your computer.
http://doubletwist.com/
and download the player in the market (free) and works great so far.
thanks gr8hairy1 and DeXel55 for assisting me with this problem.
Indeed. Thanks for reporting back with what you ended up choosing.
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for those of you who're experienced with Android, which do you prefer?
what are the pro's & con's of each?
tx for any insight
I either drag and drop files or use Google music
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Yeah, Apple has everyone convinced that 'Syncing' your device is the best/only method to transfer your content.
Just plug your device in via usb and mount it's USB storage, drag and drop the files you want.
Isn't Double Twist for Mac only?
Kies is probably worst piece of software ever written by Samsung (very unstable and buggy). You only need Kies if you want to sync contacts with your PC's Outlook or upgrade firmware when OTA is not available.
Put all your contacts to the cloud (Gmail or Hotmail). And you don't ever need any of these software installed.
To sync pictures and videos, the phone should have MTP support on USB already. If you have a Windows Vista or later OS, it is natively supported protocol. No software install needed.
No doubletwist is for pc too
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The best part about both of them is the wireless syncing which can be really nice especially with Double Twist that will let you setup an automatic wireless sync overnight. That being said, they both they have their fair share of problems.
Personally, I seriously dislike Double Twist's music player. I don't know what it is, but it's just not very attractive and the sorting options are just meh. Kies can be pretty buggy. The main thing I like about Kies is being able to send and respond to texts from my desktop throughout the day.
I've been really digging Google Music if you're just looking for Music sync. The only issue with the autosync feature for iTunes is that it can have trouble removing music from Google Music if you remove it from iTunes and a lot of the time results in double duty (removing from iTunes and Google Music).
Since I got my new laptop I have completely done away with apple products. I hate itunes, as it needs an update seemingly every time I used it in the past, and is no better than other music players. The only thing I would want itunes for is buying music, but if I buy music it's in cd form anyways.
Yes, syncing is somewhat useful in the sense that you don't need to touch anything, but also completely unnecessary and slow. Drag and drop files into windows media player, then use the Google music tool to automatically sync up to 20,000 songs for free to the cloud. Dragging and dropping is much more controllable too.
As for documents, drag and drop works great, and if you don't want to use cords, use google docs or dropbox to access your docs wirelessly.
What does everyone use for podcasts? I use iTunes to dl and sort by release date in a smart playlist. Coming from an iPhone, I have no idea what to use that will allow me to continue where it left off.
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What does everyone use for podcasts? I use iTunes to dl and sort by release date in a smart playlist. Coming from an iPhone, I have no idea what to use that will allow me to continue where it left off.
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I only listen to podcasts on my phone - never from the computer so
Google Listen (LINK) works okay and is free
DoggCatcher (LINK) works really well and is worth the $4.99 if your a serious listener.
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What does everyone use for podcasts? I use iTunes to dl and sort by release date in a smart playlist. Coming from an iPhone, I have no idea what to use that will allow me to continue where it left off.
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I use Google Listen app to subscribe to the podcasts and download on the phone directly. No computers required. I rarely connect phone the PC (only do so when need firmware update and/or rooting). Google Listen syncs subscription list with Google Reader.
Hey All,
Just bringing our software "iSyncr" into the conversation. You can sync over USB or WiFi from a PC or Mac (with iTunes) to a Samsung Note. If you are going to keep using iTunes, you should consider it, as you can keep all your ratings, play counts and even podcast bookmarks in sync with iTunes and Android.
-Justin
Yea i keep returning to isyncr (wifi).
Hard to say why but I don't like doubletwist on my imac.
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I just moved from Windows Phone 7.5 to Android (Nexus 4 / Jelly Bean), and have a lot of (non-DRM) music properly organized in Zune, complete with like/dislike tagging and auto-playlists. I am new to Android, so bear with me if this is a n00b question.
I am looking for something that is very close to Zune in functionality for wireless sync'ing audio from Windows 7 to Android. My most basic requirements are:
1) Be able to wirelessly sync any playlist, auto-playlist (i.e. playlist that is auto-populated based on criteria such as year, like/dislike rating, etc)
2) Be able to remove song that are given dis-like or low rating for a song from Android
3) If the app has a way to import the like/dislike ratings from Zune, that will be a *huge* bonus
4) Preferably free/ad-supported app, but not a hard requirement.
Thanks in advance..
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Google Music.
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Google Music.
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Thanks. However, I am not looking for something that sync's with the cloud, but something that sync's with my home computer while I am home. I constantly download new music all the time and don't want to keep sync'ing them with the cloud. I am looking for something similar to Poweramp pro or Winamp, but has the above features..
Maybe Airdroid would be what your looking for
Tried air droid.. But it does not auto sync - I have to manually add files to sync..
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I just moved from Windows Phone 7.5 to Android (Nexus 4 / Jelly Bean), and have a lot of (non-DRM) music properly organized in Zune, complete with like/dislike tagging and auto-playlists. I am new to Android, so bear with me if this is a n00b question.
I am looking for something that is very close to Zune in functionality for wireless sync'ing audio from Windows 7 to Android. My most basic requirements are:
1) Be able to wirelessly sync any playlist, auto-playlist (i.e. playlist that is auto-populated based on criteria such as year, like/dislike rating, etc)
2) Be able to remove song that are given dis-like or low rating for a song from Android
3) If the app has a way to import the like/dislike ratings from Zune, that will be a *huge* bonus
4) Preferably free/ad-supported app, but not a hard requirement.
Thanks in advance..
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Check WinAmp
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Check WinAmp
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Thanks. had already checked WinAmp. It does not have the ability to create self-updating playlists based on criteria (example all songs with rating > 4-star).. It only has something similar to smart-dj which finds similar songs based on a seed song you provide (kinda like pandora).
Tried doubletwist as well.. but that does not have AutoPlaylist either ...
Anyone used iSyncr (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrtstudio.iSyncr&feature=more_from_developer)? That looks promising.. there is a one-time hit of configuring iTunes properly (It does not see the ratings I set in zune for each song for some reason.. all other apps are able to see it properly)... but looks like exactly what I may want.. before i drop $4 I wanted to check if anyone here used it?
Update: I tried iSyncr lite for few days and combined with their own "Rocket Player" this exactly the solution I was looking for! Converting ratings from Zune to iTunes was done using a free program called "MP3 rating friend" (google it). Additionally, my wife wants to buy an iPhone so now that my music and ratings are syncing back into iTunes it will make things simpler there.
The Lite version of iSyncr have several limitations but the biggest one is that a max of 20 songs per playlist are sync'd... so I will be dropping $4 to buy this app. The free version of rocket player is adequate for my needs (if not, I can always use doubletwist as the music player).
Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread.
Hey guys I am contemplating on developing a media play that will be able to play both audio and video within a single app and designing it partly around the vanilla KitKat experience. I was thinking I would list it anywhere between $1 to $3. What do yall think. Is it a good idea? Do you think it would sell? Would you buy it?
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I think people use their phones differently when listening to music or watching media, at least I do and the people I know do as well
So if I'm to listen to music, be it with head phones or streaming I go to one app, and I don't keep videos on my devices so all streaming is done through various apps
If you really want to do this I would suggest a free version with either limited options or ads so users can test and you will see if there is a market for it
But I think this is a case where you need to sell the user the idea that one app is better than two or three or....
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yeah i think this is a great idea especially with the kitkat UI implemented into it, and the idea to be able to have both music and videos within one app is great but what i think you should do is have different section for music and videos such as having a sub menu or something where you can select what you want to do and from that you could also implement a photo viewer and maybe even a stream type thing or something
I think a very simplistic "android player" with the new kitkat UI that plays all major video and audio would be useful. Possible features like playlists and album art would require the paid version. The focus of it would have to be the modern theme and simplicity since one app is simpler than two. It can still be very powerful without all the extra options that are in many applications.