Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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Yes - No - No - No.
You can backup certain things such as sms, call log, contacts, etc with MyBackup. You must have root to have Titanium. I can't recall clearly if temp root is sufficient. If you have a locked bootloader ANY changes made to the /system (that is anything different than the stock rom and bloatware) will be reverted/restored by a reboot. This is currently unavoidable. And you can not backup the root files on your root device and restore them to an unrooted phone. This is because they would need to be restored to /system/app and /system/bin directories. Anything with /system would need an unlocked bootloader for the changes to stick. Without an unlocked bootloader the only changes that you can make is in /cache and /data partitions of your device. Anything else will be like it never happened after a reboot.
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Hi... My question is kinda tricky, first thing is I never really like permanent roots for various reasons, and that is why I go for Temp... You see if I mess up a phone I would have to worry too much I guess, anyway, my Amaze 4G will be replaced soon by a new Amaze 4G so... If I temp root, do a full bar k up to my ad card with titanium lite app, and I temp root the new Amaze and do a back up restore... Will I get all my apps, text messages, saved games, laucher, folder, apps configurations and pretty much will turn my new phone exactly the same way the old one was?... With a temp root? Is this possible? And if I reset the phone and the root is gone so will be my entire back up data on the new phone? Cannot even think on how horrible will be installing all that....
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You can use Titanium Backup with temp-root. I restored all my data using it.
I suggest you not to mess up with system settings, though. It's tricky because restoring system apps won't stick after you loose temp-root (after reboot or after system hicup whichever comes first). But many system settings are backed up and restored with system apps/lib files. Or you can try it and find out if it works. Let us know the result.
A word of caution. Temp-root is really temp-root. I lost temp-root often even before rebooting causing bunch of errors and headaches. So I had to restore apps/data in small chunks to be safe.
I don't know why you're so much against rooting, but if that's because you bricked your phone before, you may want to go with MyBackup as Binary says. Even with Temp-rooting, you'd need to know what you're doing.
Thank you so much guys, I will back everything up, get my new phone, temp root it and restore the back up from the first Amaze 4G... God I hope it goes well...... And yeah, I bricked a PSP back then, I cry for a week, I just don't want to go thru that ever again lol
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Thank you so much guys, I will back everything up, get my new phone, temp root it and restore the back up from the first Amaze 4G... God I hope it goes well...... And yeah, I bricked a PSP back then, I cry for a week, I just don't want to go thru that ever again lol
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I really don't think that we can brick this phone. The best way to brick an HTC device is to flash a bad bootloader and radio combo or to tamper with the bootloader itself. Since we need S-OFF to flash a radio then that makes this phone pretty safe to root and currently we don't have a method to obtain S-OFF at this time. Another way to brick your phone is to flash a custom kernel that has permanent undesired effects like I experienced last year. So in conclusion, if you just want to have a custom rom installed, remove bloat, etc then you're better off going full root.
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Fair warning: I've never rooted a phone before. I've dabbled in ADB with my nook color, but am far from comfortable with it. I installed Honeycomb on the nook color, then decided to just go simple with autonooter.
Now, I'm thinking of rooting my new Thunderbolt. Mostly because I'd like to get rid of all of the bloatware and try to get all of the performance out of my phone as I can get. After having the Droid1 for a couple of years, I do not want to see my phone get laggy like my D1 did.
So here come the beginner questions: once I root the phone, I know I need to get ROM Manager and Titanium Backup. Those apps will let me be able to get back all of my data and preferences, etc once I switch ROMs right?
What else will I need after rooting? Is it a simple process to flash a new ROM?
Can anyone suggest a (mostly) stock ROM that just gets rid of the bloatware and gives the phones performance a boost?
Also, does a rooted phone require a lot of maintenance? For instance, will I have to be updating ROMS often? Also, if an OTA comes out for non-rooted phones, do these updates get worked into the ROMs quickly? I dont want to be without a necessary update, ya know?
Last question: Once I root my phone, should I just cancel the insurance on the phone? Or does "voiding the warranty" only mean that VZW wont fix it for free?
Thanks!
First off, I highly recommend following this rooting method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616 and not using the easy root method. If you have any problems at all, you can log into http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=951190 and get some help. I also highly recommend reading up a bit on ADB, what it is and how it works http://www.xda-developers.com/android/adb-easy-tutorial/
Then...once you get rooted use ROM Manager to flash the clockworkmod recovery. In ROM Manager there's a little fix that everyone's been doing: open ROM Manager, menu>clear download cache, then settings>erase recovery. Then do your backup before you do anything else like flashing another ROM. Use Titanium to backup all your apps. I recommend the paid versions of both since you will be using them a lot.
Added: What I usually do the first time: Root, backup rom, install debloated rom, set everything up like I want it and then backup again. Each time I flash a new ROM, I create a backup of it all set up and with the name so that I can easily switch back and forth. I like change
The basic debloat rom is http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000103
It's easy to flash a new ROM, just download the one you want, put it on your sdcard and then use ROM Manager to 'install from sdcard'
You are going to be flashing ROMs left and right because they come out so fast. Each time an update is out, it'll be put into a ROM and released for all of us here so that you stay current. Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
I would not recommend getting rid of your insurance, it is different than the warranty and you can get your phone replaced if it's ever damaged. I've used it 3 times now all on rooted phones. It indeed will void the warranty.
Happy rooting!
^ +1. I did use the easy root method and had no problems with it but it is truly still hit or miss. I am sure it will get better as more developers start pushing new stuff out.
Good luck
Thanks for the reply!
Why dont you recommend using the easy root method that I've been reading so much about? I realize it has some faults, but I'm planning on waiting until an updated version comes out. I'm a bit afraid to brick my phone while trying to root the phone myself.
Also, after rooting, how can i do a backup of my apps? Doesnt rooting wipe all of the data on my phone?
Learning ADB would be helpful...I must admit, I am an easy root junkie. I just don't have the time to learn ADB. Maybe someday that will change.
Rooting will wipe your phone and I use Titanium Backup to back up my apps. It does make it a lot easier once you start flashing ROMs on a daily basis
Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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Thanks! After watching a video of someone rooting, I think I will be able to do the non-easy method.
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Because the non-easy method doesn't have any flaws, thus has a lot less chance of bricking your phone. If you copy and paste, then you reduce your chance to brick to practically 0.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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This reason as well as you can get instant support in irc.
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Thanks.
So to answer my previous question: When rooting, I'm still going to lose all of my current information including apps, sms, etc. However, its good to backup my phone before installing the debloated rom.
Is that correct?
Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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Correct - when you root your phone, you're wiping everything except the sdcard, so you need to backup your apps and such.
And we should stop using the term 'not-easy' root ... how about 'less easy', it's not as scary
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
pman555 said:
Another quick question: I downloaded all of the necessary files.
When I try to open up the RUU_Mecha zip file, it tells me that the file is invalid or corrupted.
I've downloaded it twice from different sources and this happened both times.
Any idea why this is the case?
Can anyone point me to where I can get a non-corrupt version?
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you don't open the files. The exploit one is the one you unpackage to your tools directory. The other you will put on your sdcard when told too. you can join #root and get help if you want.
as far as apps, the market 'should' reload all your apps when you wipe data just give it time. Then use titanium to back them all up.
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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Even better call it the Original Root Method........
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I like that one
jawonder said:
So ADB is basically finding the root copy and paste and run ? .
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ADB is learning what you are doing to your phone instead of letting a program do it for you. Copy/paste is just so there are no typos if you don't feel as comfortable typing it all out. I recommend reading up on ADB so that you have a bit of knowledge of what you are doing.
do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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do i need to use the titanium backup before i try and root or after i'm rooted
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Titanium backup only works after you're rooted.
You can use a program like Mybackup Pro to backup stuff like sms mms, etc.
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As a first time rooter myself, I ended up doing the original root process. The well written instructions helped me not to feel paranoid and I breezed through the steps. While, I was confident in rooting the phone because of the instructions, I don't feel so confident post root because I don't know how to do many of the elements like flash roms, kernels, apply mods, etc. So my question is, are there any guides for flashing new roms and the steps taken before and after? For instance, let's say I wanted to flash adrynalyne's no bloat rom, and his mod package, how do I go about doing it? Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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Most OTA updates will remove your root, so I wouldn't suggest applying them. Many ROMs will block the OTA updates, but not all of them do; at least in my experience.
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If I root and remove bloatware manually, will OTA updates occur automatically, or do I have the option of blocking them. Would they re-install all of the bloatware I removed?
I hadn't seen mention of this in the EVO LTE forum, but here's a way to backup everything before the HTCDev unlock that wipes your phone.
I was waiting for some way of doing this since you can't run Titanium Backup before getting root, and getting root (with current HBOOTs) wipes your phone. Found this in the generic Android hacking section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1844032
I never knew there was an ADB Backup command. I've posted questions before and nobody mentioned it.
Since the phone prompts for an encryption password, it probably does do a deep copy of all the app settings.
I haven't actually done the restore from this yet - I'll be rooting this weekend then try the restore.
(Also backed up in MyBackup Pro just in case, for the little good that does.)
It's a huge Windows .BAT file that presents a menu of choices. It DOES take a while. Set a path, then choose a backup option.
I'm trying several different backup options under different backup names to see what restores the best.
If this works as advertised, it should save me days of re setting everything up and many rounds of annoyances about apps that no longer remember their settings.
OTOH, If this doesn't work, don't blame me
Dont you still need root to gain access to app data and the system files?
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I would assume this uses fastboot root for anything that can't be accessed but fastboot has access to practically everything, there's even a fastboot command to flash splash screens lol
Again, I haven't tried the restore yet, but it looks to me like it requests the system to do it, which asks your permission first, so I'm assuming it gets everything.
I ran it with the phone booted up and it didn't complain. I guess I'll find out when I unlock and try to restore.
I may play with this later, seems like something handy for my guide
Sorry, I'm still too tired to understand what the hell is going on half the time, you're talking about adb and I'm taking about fastboot lol
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Again, I haven't tried the restore yet, but it looks to me like it requests the system to do it, which asks your permission first, so I'm assuming it gets everything.
I ran it with the phone booted up and it didn't complain. I guess I'll find out when I unlock and try to restore.
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Wouldn't think the restore would mess anything up, but I'm paranoid as $h1t with this phone.
Ask me about my ability to annoy complete strangers!
Nah its just a couple of image files, the worst thing that could happen is a bad flash that you can easily recover from in recovery
Hmm.
Well restoring a backup that didn't include system data *does* restore the app settings.
Now I'm trying restoring a backup that did include system data (the one marked as "unsafe" in the menu).
I'm hoping it'll restore my home screens, WiFi credentials, etc. The backup with system data took maybe 2 hours.
I'll check the restore in the morning...
(Oh well, either way, now that I'm rooted I can ditch all this and just go with Titanium from now on. Yay.)
Results:
Restoring a backup without system data did get all my app data/settings back.
Restoring a backup that included system data also had the side benefit of restoring the boot screen without the red tamper warning even though I'm S-ON. LOL.
I wonder if modifying a backup file then restoring it could be exploited...
This type of backup also includes all the SD contents. You might want to manage media files yourself instead.
Neither type restored home-screens. In fact, after restoring the one with system data, I had no icons or widgets whatsoever.
Even when I also told MyBackupPro to restore homescreens I got nothing. Oh well.
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Restoring a backup without system data did get all my app data/settings back.
Restoring a backup that included system data also had the side benefit of restoring the boot screen without the red tamper warning even though I'm S-ON. LOL.
I wonder if modifying a backup file then restoring it could be exploited...
This type of backup also includes all the SD contents. You might want to manage media files yourself instead.
Neither type restored home-screens. In fact, after restoring the one with system data, I had no icons or widgets whatsoever.
Even when I also told MyBackupPro to restore homescreens I got nothing. Oh well.
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Very interesting...You could be on to something there with exploiting a backup. May want to drop the lazy panda devs a line and see if it could be used to downgrade the hboot in some way. When you restored the system partition did you lose root?
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Nope - I was wondering if that would happen, but it's still rooted & su, busybox, etc are still there.
It restores the screen as a side effect of copying the entire system state. As a restore you get the system state in tact as it was before the phone gets tampered. An interesting exercise would be to see if you can use the back up function to flash a system state with superuser privledges
Gaining root with fastboot...I like it. Are the backups locked to the device or can they be shared and restored on others?
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I would assume they aren't but they may have access to back up misc info related to only that phone. I haven't had a chance to poke around with this program yet
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Neither type restored home-screens. In fact, after restoring the one with system data, I had no icons or widgets whatsoever.
Even when I also told MyBackupPro to restore homescreens I got nothing. Oh well.
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That's one of the many reasons why I use Apex. It allows you to back up and restore your home screens and settings. I also find that the multitasking is much improved if the sense launcher isn't running.
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Very interesting...You could be on to something there with exploiting a backup. May want to drop the lazy panda devs a line and see if it could be used to downgrade the hboot in some way. When you restored the system partition did you lose root?
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Anybody know if it is actually possible to exploit hboot using this adb method or something similar. Has a hboot been exploited vin the past through adb
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It has been but only on early versions of Android, the odds of an exploit found like that again isn't at all likely. We just like to think out loud
I can't get this working. I run UBT.bat and it just flashes on my screen and closes.
I am about to install a custom rom to my stock Evo 3D that's on Hboot 1.5 and still on Gingerbread (yes I know I have been talking about it for a while now) and since pretty much any and all methods to do so would result in the memory being wiped, I wanted to backup my data and settings (namely all my settings for my apps and savedata for my games) before I did so.
Problem is, I am not aware of any method to do so that doesn't require root.
SuperOneClick is not supported for my phone, and tacoroot would only give me a shell, which I can't run Titanium Backup under.
Is there any way for me to backup my app data without root or gain a temporary root while still being able to use the phone itself so I can backup my data before I wipe it for a custom rom?
You could try this temp root method.
That post is in the Sensation forum but it says in the OP that it might work on the Evo 3D (untested).
If you try it, let us know how it goes.
Edit: Here's another temp root method for the Evo 3D. It may be the same thing as the link above just repackaged for the E3D. I've never used it myself and can't test it now since I'm currently running ICS and JB ROM's.
ramjet73
Lots of people say its supposed to work on the Evo3D, and there are even some batch files for it designed for the Evo3D, but when I tried to run the fre3vo file I kept getting "The exploit has failed" and the cursor remained as $ instead of #.
I tried three reboots now and nothing, there was also a method called a "perm-temp-root" but the download links are dead so I couldn't try it.
Nobody seems to maintain these anymore because they claim the method is outdated since we have S-OFF now and the last posts are from 2011.... problem is the whole reason I WANT to temp-root is to backup all of my settings and data so I can then use the S-OFF methods and flash a custom ROM to get a proper root, which I can't do without being forced to wipe my data first.
EDIT: Funny how as I was typing that you made an edit about the permtemproot. But yeah, that appears to be the same thing, just repackaged. And what drives me nuts about all the ones I tried with batch files is that they have zero error handling, they just assume the exploit worked and I get a ton of error mesages and apps like superuser that I can't use installed...
Sorry, I forgot to mention. The tacoroot method actually did work, but it only gives me root access in a CLI through ADB, I can't even use the terminal app with it, so its useless for performing a backup that way. All the other temproot methods didn't work.
Any ideas?
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Sorry, I forgot to mention. The tacoroot method actually did work, but it only gives me root access in a CLI through ADB, I can't even use the terminal app with it, so its useless for performing a backup that way. All the other temproot methods didn't work.
Any ideas?
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Uhhh, I'm gonna have to say this is a lost cause, You just gotta lose the data, That's why we root, To be able to backup, Which is why most of us root before doing anything so we don't really lose anything like valuable save data, I don't even move a widget or an icon on a new phone until it's s-off and running the newest version of whatever lol.
I got this thing on release day, I couldn't just not use it for like a year until it was finally rooted.
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I got this thing on release day, I couldn't just not use it for like a year until it was finally rooted.
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I didn't mean that in an offensive manner, But there's no way to not lose your data, Simply unlocking your bootloader erases your data.
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.
I've been extremely satisfied with the HTC Evo 3D and so I bought a used backup one to have on hand just in case my primary one is every lost or destroyed.
My question is this: If I have two EVO 3D's and make a full backup on one, can I technically restore it on the second phone? Or must a partial back-up be done to avoid any kind of system level conflicts? I have 4EXT as well as Titanium backup. I could easily back up all apps and then restore them on the second phone, but I'm not so sure about whether or not system data is possible. What I'd like to do is use 4EXT and just make a complete copy of the entire primary phone and restore it on the second phone. Assuming I have them configured the same, would it be possible? If not, what's the best way to go about doing this? Thanks!
cytherian said:
I've been extremely satisfied with the HTC Evo 3D and so I bought a used backup one to have on hand just in case my primary one is every lost or destroyed.
My question is this: If I have two EVO 3D's and make a full backup on one, can I technically restore it on the second phone? Or must a partial back-up be done to avoid any kind of system level conflicts? I have 4EXT as well as Titanium backup. I could easily back up all apps and then restore them on the second phone, but I'm not so sure about whether or not system data is possible. What I'd like to do is use 4EXT and just make a complete copy of the entire primary phone and restore it on the second phone. Assuming I have them configured the same, would it be possible? If not, what's the best way to go about doing this? Thanks!
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It's absolutely possible. I just did it a week ago after I shattered the screen on my 3D and picked up another on Craigslist. Just use 4ext and do a full backup, then restore it onto the other phone once it's rooted and recovery is flashed. Make sure the correct hboot is flashed that the ROM in the backup requires also.
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It's absolutely possible. I just did it a week ago after I shattered the screen on my 3D and picked up another on Craigslist. Just use 4ext and do a full backup, then restore it onto the other phone once it's rooted and recovery is flashed. Make sure the correct hboot is flashed that the ROM in the backup requires also.
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Thanks for your reply. It's weird because I'd read in a number of places where some said it's not possible while others said that it is.
1) The same phone
2) The same hboot version
3) The same recovery (CW backup to CW backup; RA backup to RA backup)
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I just double checked and realized that my HBoot is different. I have S-OFF with only one. There's also the matter of the EXT4 partition.... which I'm guessing won't be a problem if I move over my SD card, but may be an issue for trying to copy it to another SD card. I'm thinking I should just do a Titanium backup of the apps with data, and then just restore them instead and manually recreate the desktop. Using a separate app to backup call logs and SMS messages. Google does the rest with calendar and contacts.
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Thanks for your reply. It's weird because I'd read in a number of places where some said it's not possible while others said that it is.
I just double checked and realized that my HBoot is different. I have S-OFF with only one. There's also the matter of the EXT4 partition.... which I'm guessing won't be a problem if I move over my SD card, but may be an issue for trying to copy it to another SD card. I'm thinking I should just do a Titanium backup of the apps with data, and then just restore them instead and manually recreate the desktop. Using a separate app to backup call logs and SMS messages. Google does the rest with calendar and contacts.
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Get your 2nd one S-off and change that Hboot. Soooooooo easy to do, no reason not to. Way more work to back up and restore with Titanium and then still be S-on.
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Get your 2nd one S-off and change that Hboot. Soooooooo easy to do, no reason not to. Way more work to back up and restore with Titanium and then still be S-on.
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I found a few more posts about this very thing in other locations and the consensus has been that it's not a good idea and possible to cause firmware corruption. I went the route of backing up all apps+user-data and restoring. Most everything worked but some apps were faulty and required re-installation. That didn't help my confidence.
Anyway, it wasn't too bad of a hassle and I've gotten my phone pretty much "cloned". I may try the complete clone process with a beat up Evo 3D I have coming, to see if I can indeed do it with a phone having the exact same firmware and Hboot.
If you want to lose your WIMAX keys do it...
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I found a few more posts about this very thing in other locations and the consensus has been that it's not a good idea and possible to cause firmware corruption. I went the route of backing up all apps+user-data and restoring. Most everything worked but some apps were faulty and required re-installation. That didn't help my confidence.
Anyway, it wasn't too bad of a hassle and I've gotten my phone pretty much "cloned". I may try the complete clone process with a beat up Evo 3D I have coming, to see if I can indeed do it with a phone having the exact same firmware and Hboot.
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Glad you got it worked out. As far as corrupting firmware, not so sure about that. Firmware isn't backed up or restored through a nandroid. It's a separate flash.
1. Run the RUU to latest stock (includes firmware)
2. S-off
3. Flash recovery
4. Flash Hboot
5. Restore backup from recovery
Mine worked without a hitch and everything runs flawlessly. Wimax keys, no idea though. The ROM I run has no Wimax and neither does my area.
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Glad you got it worked out. As far as corrupting firmware, not so sure about that. Firmware isn't backed up or restored through a nandroid. It's a separate flash.
1. Run the RUU to latest stock (includes firmware)
2. S-off
3. Flash recovery
4. Flash Hboot
5. Restore backup from recovery
Mine worked without a hitch and everything runs flawlessly. Wimax keys, no idea though. The ROM I run has no Wimax and neither does my area.
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Maybe that's what has tripped up other people, not flashing to a RUU before hand. I'll keep it in mind though. While the manual method works, there's always some settings with some apps that are lost, like contacts losing ringtone references. At least this way you're guaranteed a complete copy. And yeah, I don't use WIMAX so I'm not worried about it.
The HTC Evo 3D still works really well for me. I suspect I'll be keeping it for at least another year. Unlike the HTC Hero that became very dated after 2 years, the Evo 3D still keeps up pretty well due to 4G support. 4G LTE is faster, when you can get it, but it's not a compelling enough difference IMHO.