Ok, so I just received my galaxy s2 today and immediately noticed a difference between it and sprint's variant [Epic 4G Touch]. In the settings under display on the Epic 4G Touch you'll immediately find a setting that says "Screen Mode". However on AT&T's variant this setting seems to be missing. Just wondering if anyone else noticed this...
If only you would have done a quick search, you would have seen that there is already a thread concerning this topic. In fact, if you would have simply just used your eyes, you would have seen that there's one on the first page of this forum.
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It's disabled in Settings, it's one line of smali to reenable. Serendipity 8 has it, I think Unnamed has it now, most Hellraised ROMs should have it.
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If only you would have done a quick search, you would have seen that there is already a thread concerning this topic. In fact, if you would have simply just used your eyes, you would have seen that there's one on the first page of this forum.
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If only you would have done a quick search, you would have seen that there is already a thread concerning this topic. In fact, if you would have simply just used your eyes, you would have seen that there's one on the first page of this forum.
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so many people on this site are dicks..its kinda funny..you get people taking the time to actually explain things and then u get assholes
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so many people on this site are dicks..its kinda funny..you get people taking the time to actually explain things and then u get assholes
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Build a man a fire, and you keep him warm for the night.
Set that man on fire, and he won't be cold again for the rest of his life... and you don't have to hear him whine anymore.
That's a bit different from the "teach a man to fish" quote which is one of my favorites.
Seriously - "search and read before posting" is rule 1 on XDA. Anyone who had taken a few hours to read would know the answer to this.
If you don't have a few hours to read, you don't belong here. If you can't spend a few hours reading and researching, you don't have the time to waste a few hours when you **** up your device because you didn't read/research.
Any time I pick up a new device, I spend at least a few hours researching it before I make even one post in its forums. It is clear that some people in this thread did NOT do that.
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That's a bit different from the "teach a man to fish" quote which is one of my favorites.
Seriously - "search and read before posting" is rule 1 on XDA. Anyone who had taken a few hours to read would know the answer to this.
If you don't have a few hours to read, you don't belong here. If you can't spend a few hours reading and researching, you don't have the time to waste a few hours when you **** up your device because you didn't read/research.
Any time I pick up a new device, I spend at least a few hours researching it before I make even one post in its forums. It is clear that some people in this thread did NOT do that.
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I did search and read but didn't come up with anything until I actually read through 3-5 threads and I still didn't find of that info until reading and re-reading the changelogs for the roms that were aforementioned by "nitox.n2o". And I do the same sometimes spending a few "days" reading through anything I see as interesting. I've been flashing for years, helping people work though issues with their phones since my first android phone. You can call it a case of excitement, I mean I just got the phone in the mail mere hours ago and going through the settings that was the first thing I noticed [I own the Epic 4G Touch also] and having seen that option there everyday so it stood out to me as strange. Not an attack or anything just saying...
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That's a bit different from the "teach a man to fish" quote which is one of my favorites.
Seriously - "search and read before posting" is rule 1 on XDA. Anyone who had taken a few hours to read would know the answer to this.
If you don't have a few hours to read, you don't belong here. If you can't spend a few hours reading and researching, you don't have the time to waste a few hours when you **** up your device because you didn't read/research.
Any time I pick up a new device, I spend at least a few hours researching it before I make even one post in its forums. It is clear that some people in this thread did NOT do that.
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so many people on this site are dicks..its kinda funny..you get people taking the time to actually explain things and then u get assholes
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It's cool lol I knew it would be a "risk" to post anything on here trying to get help without being "punched in the face first".
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Thanks that really did help...had to read through the changelogs carefully
I see this in every forum for every category. There will always be people so annoyed that someone didn't search enough that rather than not posting and letting the thread die, they feel a need to reply rudely.
Welcome to the forums, OP.
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I see this in every forum for every category. There will always be people so annoyed that someone didn't search enough that rather than not posting and letting the thread die, they feel a need to reply rudely.
Welcome to the forums, OP.
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To be fair, that's because people asking questions that have already been answered wastes everyone's time. It dilutes the quality of XDA as a whole by lowering the signal-to-noise in each individual forum. Also, XDA has always been a place where people follow the rules. You either do (which means you would have searched and found your answer), or you don't, and people will get mad at you. Adhere to the GPL or applicable license, don't post/link/distribute warez, don't solicit for money, and search before posting.
Check here for a few more:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=263
Kind people will occasionally do a "site:xda-developers.com yourQueryHere" and even give you a link to the thread with the answer. Everyone else will just flame you.
Thread has far outlived its usefulness.. Stop your petty bickering people.
That said, people really DO need to search more.. Really.
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I'm writing here because I haven't posted enough to post in the developement section. I have had my pad since they came out. I've rooted and hacked almost every electronic device I've ever had, going back to my Timex Sinclair. I read the delevopement posts numerous times a day. I've flashed this more times than I dare to count (very, very few issues, so few infact, sold my A500). So I go into the developement thread, some guy has asked a question regarding an issue he's having and the response he gets...(I'm paraphrasing), "If you had bothered to read....you wouldn't even of asked". It wasn't even a question of having wifi issues! This person (and others) take the time to go after someone who is asking a ligitimate question (at least in their own mind), and heaven forbid they didn't read all 500 plus posts and that's the response, that's all you got. I've donated, will continue to donate and continue to be amazed at what Leo and the group have done, but I won't ever ask a question on this forum. Maybe it's just a way to get their "Post" numbers up (it's working for me). I read many posts about how great this group is, and yet we need to blast folks...those of you that do so must be the same folks driving up and down HWY 41 everyday! I'm done...now I have two posts. Oh and thanks Leo, more $ on it's way!
So you think the Touchpad mods suck? Or you think requiring 10 posts before posting in development sucks?
Personally I think 80% of what gets posted in development isn't development. IMO hail to the TP mods for getting the Q and A section added!
If you wanna post in development, go actually contribute by answering questions.
The 10 post rule is to weed out spammers. It isn't hard to get 10 legit helpful posts.
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I'm writing here because I haven't posted enough to post in the developement section. I have had my pad since they came out. I've rooted and hacked almost every electronic device I've ever had, going back to my Timex Sinclair. I read the delevopement posts numerous times a day. I've flashed this more times than I dare to count (very, very few issues, so few infact, sold my A500). So I go into the developement thread, some guy has asked a question regarding an issue he's having and the response he gets...(I'm paraphrasing), "If you had bothered to read....you wouldn't even of asked". It wasn't even a question of having wifi issues! This person (and others) take the time to go after someone who is asking a ligitimate question (at least in their own mind), and heaven forbid they didn't read all 500 plus posts and that's the response, that's all you got. I've donated, will continue to donate and continue to be amazed at what Leo and the group have done, but I won't ever ask a question on this forum. Maybe it's just a way to get their "Post" numbers up (it's working for me). I read many posts about how great this group is, and yet we need to blast folks...those of you that do so must be the same folks driving up and down HWY 41 everyday! I'm done...now I have two posts. Oh and thanks Leo, more $ on it's way!
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Hello there.
Trust me I understand the frustration. I don't like it much either. But the monster has been created and we need to tame it. The bigger question is how.
I personally don't like building up thread counts and can attribute a ton of posts are not dev related.
One idea I'm working on is cleaning up the OP with more usable content to help the new comers and help guide those that are not. I am working on a Q&A link that will be a PDF that helps shine light on some of the problems we have. Also there is room for me to make a very initiative installation guide in PDF form for people to print and have the ability to make notes to help guide thru the process.
While people jump the gun and are on attack mode at times, many times they aren't. The thread is so large its hard to even search for answers so that's where I get the point. I hope you don't let ur frustrations stop you from using the rom.
I also plan on talking to a few people that can help answer via pm. This will take the load off.
I appreciate ur feedback and support and just know that 99% of the guys are good folks.
Have a good one
~leo
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"So you think the Touchpad mods suck? Or you think requiring 10 posts before posting in development sucks?"
Didn't say either...point was, I couldn't respond directly in the development forum...
"If you wanna post in development, go actually contribute by answering questions."
That's just funny....proves my point, somewhat (though I guess I didn't ask a question). I can't "contribute" for 2 reasons; first, don't have enough posts, second, don't know enough. That's why I go there numerous times a day, to try and learn. Someday, I hope I can contribute. Right now I do it with my pocket book. (Is that one word or two?). However, if you ever need help with an insurance claim, I can knock your socks off!
Seriously and thank you again as usual Leo. I know the vast majority of folks are trying to be helpful. There are a few right now though that post a lot and many of those posts are not helpful, just rude (I had a tough day at work, try managing an insurance claims dept, talk about rude). Sorry about the 500 too, should have read more carefully...
I'm typing this on my computer. I just started getting "FCs" with the XDA app, not kidding... what are the chances...suppose I got what I deserved...
Everyone, have a great weekend.
I know of the posts you're referring too, and most of the reason why we're getting aggravated is because most of the answers can be found in the OP of the thread. It's gets really old when we're told 15 times a day that wifi doesn't work.
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Ill tell you whats equally annoying. When you subscribe to a Dev thread to see when something gets updated, and you get an email notification every time someone responds with "cant wait" or "me too" or "this+1". I understand people are excited, Im excited for it too, but its seems people just like posting for the sake of posting. If I was a dev trying to follow what problems people were having, Id pull my hair out trying to weed through all the nonsense.
And now for the ever so annoying....."end rant." (hate that equally)
I'd like to agree with all the points made here and also refer to the video azrienoch made a while ago referring to noobs. Some posters thinking they have enough posts to ignore basic etiquette. Its actually better to sit on the sidelines and learn rather than post unnecessary things. I feel like it's a good idea to ponder your post to consider if you can find the answer another way, post in a more topic related thread or just render the post useless.
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I fully understand getting aggravated. Again, 30 + years in insurance claims, heard it all. The question is how do we show/express that aggravation. My "job" includes dealing with aggravation/frustration in a professional manner. Dealing with my wife, my kids and now grand kids. I must show restraint. I understand this isn't your job, and in my opinion, even more reason to show restraint and compassion. Who cares if a person hasn't read all the posts (and weeded through all the superfluous stuff as mentioned above (agree by the way). Maybe they missed it, maybe they didn't understand it, maybe they work 12 hours a day and don't have the time to read every post and are simply looking to "friends" to give them a hand. There are a lot more important things to get aggravated about. And Krunk (can I call you Krunk?), I've read a lot of your posts, you can be extremely helpful and your are obviously extremely knowledgeable. Use your powers for good! I'm a good guy, I mean no disrespect. I do understand all the experienced folks getting annoyed with the same questions. I need to practice what I preach and show some grace (patience and understanding) to those on HWY 41 (between Fresno and Yosemite). Again, thanks for listening. Now I have to figure out how to remove the Rom, update WebOS (can't we just get rid of that....I know, I know, asked answered ) and put Rom back on. Take care all.
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I'd like to agree with all the points made here and also refer to the video azrienoch made a while ago referring to noobs. Some posters thinking they have enough posts to ignore basic etiquette. Its actually better to sit on the sidelines and learn rather than post unnecessary things. I feel like it's a good idea to ponder your post to consider if you can find the answer another way, post in a more topic related thread or just render the post useless.
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That Azrienoch video is great. He put a lot of time in making that one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
I understand what u meen op and i wanna help people out too but 90% of the stuff on those forums is flying on the internet and noone cares to search. Just google it. Tthats the first place i look at and 9/10 times the answer is there. Also if u really want to help someone out and you acnt because u got restricted send them a PM and carry on. This way u help the guy out and dont spend 1h arguing with somebody over something offtopick.
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I fully understand getting aggravated. Again, 30 + years in insurance claims, heard it all. The question is how do we show/express that aggravation. My "job" includes dealing with aggravation/frustration in a professional manner. Dealing with my wife, my kids and now grand kids. I must show restraint. I understand this isn't your job, and in my opinion, even more reason to show restraint and compassion. Who cares if a person hasn't read all the posts (and weeded through all the superfluous stuff as mentioned above (agree by the way). Maybe they missed it, maybe they didn't understand it, maybe they work 12 hours a day and don't have the time to read every post and are simply looking to "friends" to give them a hand. There are a lot more important things to get aggravated about. And Krunk (can I call you Krunk?), I've read a lot of your posts, you can be extremely helpful and your are obviously extremely knowledgeable. Use your powers for good! I'm a good guy, I mean no disrespect. I do understand all the experienced folks getting annoyed with the same questions. I need to practice what I preach and show some grace (patience and understanding) to those on HWY 41 (between Fresno and Yosemite). Again, thanks for listening. Now I have to figure out how to remove the Rom, update WebOS (can't we just get rid of that....I know, I know, asked answered ) and put Rom back on. Take care all.
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I put my FAQ in my signature to help with most questions regarding the Touchpad
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Jwoc12, I re read what you wrote and just want to say thanks for reminding me of when I first got my OG Droid back in the day. I've always been good with tech, I'm even a 2ND level network admin, but boy do I remember feeling over whelmed just rooting Froyo back then, haha.
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I agree with the rants on both sides in this thread.
I understand the need to "weed out the newbs", but 10 posts doesn't make someone think any more than not having 10 posts makes them brainless.
On the on other hand, it will weed out those who just want to show up and quickly troll (you have to be a dedicated troll to get past the restriction).
I've been frustrated many, many times with the fact that I cannot respond to questions that I know I can answer... one I answered via pm, but I don't think the person ever noticed.
One thing I find extremely confusing is how people are getting around these limits.
I've seen more than a few posts in the XRON dev thread by people with only 2 or 3 posts! (yet another just showed up, asking a question that I can answer)
It honestly wouldn't take more than a few minutes to post 10 things on the entire XDA site if you're that concerned.
Posting in the developers threads is for developers or people troubleshooting development issues, you sound like you just want to throw your 2 cents in and have everyone tell you how great you are.
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While I understand your frustration I just can not agree with you on several comments you made. The thread that you are speaking about is extremely long as you stated. You stated yourself that you read every post and go through pages of posts per day. And let me say that I thank you for doing the right thing and reading everything before posting.
I do work 10 hour days and while yes it would be easier for me to rude and just ask a question in the middle of a thread that has already been answered or addressed I dont do it. Why? Its rude and lazy. These extra posts waste everyone's time because everyone that follows the thread has that many more post to read and go through. Its a huge waste of time.
I hate to go on a little mindless rant but I do not like the way of thinking that people have today. Its a me first attitude. They dont read whats already posted or google it(which takes 2 seconds). Instead they cut off the flow of the post or conversation to ask a question that is not relevant or has already been answered.
I myself have yet to ask a question. Why? Am I super smart? NO I am not. But by reading the posts and googling what I had trouble finding I was able to find my answers.
Ok sorry about my rant. Everyone can go back to what they were doing. I just had to get this out as I have seen way too much of this lately.
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It honestly wouldn't take more than a few minutes to post 10 things on the entire XDA site if you're that concerned.
Posting in the developers threads is for developers or people troubleshooting development issues, you sound like you just want to throw your 2 cents in and have everyone tell you how great you are.
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It's not obvious which one of us you're responding to, but it is moderately obvious that you're trolling, but I'll bite anyways just in case you're actually serious (and referring to me).
XDA, even in the general section, when you're under 10 posts, limits you to 1 post per 5 minutes (this includes editing your own posts for accuracy, which is how I found out). So much for your "only a few minutes" theory.
You obviously haven't read the XDA dev thread at all (I've read > 95% of the posts in that thread) or you wouldn't be posting such a reply about the purpose of the thread.
The frustrating question I was referring to that I wanted to answer wasn't for glory (are you serious?), it was to stem the 2 day flood of useless answers this poor person received (half were unhelpful, the others were flaming, leaving this poor person extremely frustrated). Not one person gave the reply I ended up sending the person in a PM, but the thread was derailed (for at least the hundredth time) extensively with a very non-development-related topic. My intent was solely to stem this and bring the thread back on topic.
First let me clarify, my comment or "title" ...10 posts was simply to say I could not post what I was about to say in the developement section....nothing to do with the rule. It is what it is...If I could think of 10 important things to say, it would not be difficult to get to 10 posts. What I was trying to say and what is now happening even in this little tread is that is it really necessary to go after folks for voicing an opinion or asking a question etc. Again, using my silly analogy, some "fool" is tailgating my butt down HWY 41 (with a line of cars all doing 65 (55 posted) and finally pulls out and around (scarring the crap out of the guy coming the other way) just to get one car ahead. 5 minutes later were right next to each other at the light (HWY 41 and 145 (google it)). What's the point. How pissed off do I really want to get? Just back off and let them go....folks complain about the continued same question (you say google, then why have the forum?), then we see pages of people pissed off, now people have to read through all that. For what it's worth, I've see a lot less of it recently in the dev forum, and that's a good thing...right? Let people ask their questions, point them in the right direction (or just let it go). Hey Krunk, I have the original droid, that was fun, son has it now, he's playing with MUIU. I remember setting up a "clean room" in my home back in the day to put additional memory in my Amiga 1000. I think I even put the cat in a hazmat suit! My wife still gives me grief over that. It's all about fun!
I would ask that if you have ideas on how to improve this forum please send me a PM. I have been moderator for th TP for just a couple weeks and I am cleaning things more everyday.
Over the past month, Divine_Madcat and myself have seen a steady increase of new users join our forums. While this is a good thing, they all seem to suffer from the same thing... they cant read.
D_M and myself are constantly tending to reported posts (thank you BTW for those of you that do report posts to grab our attention to something that needs attending to) and threads. We seem to accumulate a lot of new threads which are basically questions like "How do I root my phone" or "I flashed 4.0.3 and now I cant make phone calls" or "How do I flash back to Stock?" which could have all been answers if two minutes were taken to look at the sticky threads...
We are in the process of trying to remedy this and have a few ideas up our sleeves. When more develops on this, we will let all of you know.
Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.
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Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.
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Good to hear, I always thought we had way too many stickies that just confuses people.
I think there should be a test to verify that you can read and use the search function before you are allowed to post. And a probationary period where if a mod catches you asking a stupid question, you get sent back to the tutorial.
Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".
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Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".
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LOL....i love this.
we have a quote on our wall at the office:
'You can't fix stupid'
It would be great if new users couldn't post for a month. They would then be forced to search for the answers they need.
As I said, we have a few options we are throwing around... determining on which ones are actually possible and can be done on XDA is still being planned out. However, something should come out of it that will help with this issue.
Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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We're going to try and beat that into Users who have 10 posts or less on one way or another.
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Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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stop being mean and just give me a link that tells me the answer i am looking for....psha
First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
Don't change a thing. I need this place to counteract my chronic low blood pressure.
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First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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+1 No mercy!!
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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I demand retribution for commonly asked questions. I say when someone asks for something that's searchable, give them a CWM flashable zip that changes all of their app's icons to 100% transparent and removes the app names under the icon. That'll show 'em!
I like to suggest making the stickies stand out more. Right now the only difference is the little pushpin, which I admit I miss sometimes myself. Yes they are at the top, but it always looks likes there's a ton of them.
Some grouping box around them that says "STICKIES!! - READ THESE BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING!"
Highlight them a different color or something even.
Granted, that probably requires forum coding, which I don't know if mods can do (not skill, just accessibility).
Just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
This is no different than the sign on a storefront that says "please use other door"... about half of the people will invariably try to walk in the locked / faulty door anyway.
I've seen this same thing on literally every forum I've ever been a part of so I for one look forward to seeing what the "powers that be" come up with to eliminate or at least minimize stupidity and redundancy once and for all.
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First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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after the second offense...there would be no third...
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after the second offense...there would be no third...
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I'm probably the only person in my gang that has never actually seen the vid. Everyone tried to get my to watch it, told me how gross it was, and I was like "why the frack would I want to watch it then?". To me, it's kinda like, "I think this milk is spoiled, taste this". Uhm, no thank you, I'll take your word for it.
A few things to consider -for a tough problem -
Moderators spend more time enforcing accurate post subjects. "Help Me" "I have a question" etc.
Close the stickies when they become redundant, off topic, or terminally "thanks", "that worked" etc.
A newcomer's forum. Those who want to help bring up the novices can check into this forum along with the newcomers helping each other out. Moderators can move posts that should be in this forum from forums where they don't belong. This could the "one month quarantine" forum for new registrants. Moderators could move posts to appropriate forums if the feel topic has wider appeal
A user moderation system like slashdot. slashdot isn't a question forum, but the user moderation system could be used for browsing over unwelcome posts tagged as newcomer, duplicate, etc
A forum that welcomes everyone and belittling of anyone for any reason isn't tolerated: hometheatershack. You will see newcomer questions handled only by those who really want to help; some members gently encourage newcomers to be more resourceful. The forum rules strongly encourage everyone to search around first. You will see the grizzled titan patiently answering the dumbass questions for the umpteeth time. Others obviously pass over them silently.
A middle ground like diyaudio, a forum populated by the world leaders in audio electronics. There is the occasional frustration at the newcomer but most just pass over or pitch in and keep teaching.
It is a tough issue. Just a few ideas from a long time forum user and newcomer to phone hacking. I've learned a lot from xda. Thanks!
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I must admit I am guilty of this. The problem I have is while using the xda premium app , the search tool doesn't seem to let me search a specific forum , it searches all of xda. It is quite possible i am missing something but maybe this is something that can be changed in the app. Entorpy thanks for all your DD work, GTG thank you for unnammed , red and m.c. ty for being decent and understanding mods , and of course miami thanks for the criticism.
A friend was telling me that a custom kernel on his phone had a feature called deep idle where if your not using your phone it would idle lower than 100 mhz is their a sgh i777 kernel that supports this? If not we someone should totally make it.
It musta never occurred to you to look for over even one minute in the two (I repeat, that's two) kernel threads we have for our phone to gather some semblance of understanding of what you're talking about.
But here, lemme go ahead and answer this one for you. It's called deep sleep and yes, both Entropy and Gokhanmoral have it enabled in their kernels. Use CPUSpy to have a look for yourself.
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It musta never occurred to you to look for over even one minute in the two (I repeat, that's two) kernel threads we have for our phone to gather some semblance of understanding of what you're talking about.
But here, lemme go ahead and answer this one for you. It's called deep sleep and yes, both Entropy and Gokhanmoral have it enabled in their kernels. Use CPUSpy to have a look for yourself.
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No need to be a **** about it. I have read through features on entropy I must not have recalled it tho. My bad. I was just conversing with a friend about it and figured I would ask because I thought I hadn't seen anything like that. Anyways thanks, ****.
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Its hard not to be a **** when these sort of questions are asked. im not a developer, but since this is a development forum people don't take laziness lightly.
I might be opening a "can or worms" here but at some point, people need to stop flaming OP's for asking questions. This is just my opinion but the people that immediately flame someone for asking a question (whether its stupid or not) is just cluttering this forum more than the OP asking the question. Just answer it and move on.
I dont know ... maybe I'm wrong.
iiApotheosis said:
No need to be a **** about it. I have read through features on entropy I must not have recalled it tho. My bad. I was just conversing with a friend about it and figured I would ask because I thought I hadn't seen anything like that. Anyways thanks, ****.
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You obviously didn't read through the changelog for the past three releases at all.
Obviously nobody searched for DEEP IDLE! HERE YOU GO.
Not deep sleep. Deep idle.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1297535
nyydynasty said:
I might be opening a "can or worms" here but at some point, people need to stop flaming OP's for asking questions. This is just my opinion but the people that immediately flame someone for asking a question (whether its stupid or not) is just cluttering this forum more than the OP asking the question. Just answer it and move on.
I dont know ... maybe I'm wrong.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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But while everyone is jumping the OPs ass he has a valid point he just didn't provide a link for it to be confirmed as a real thing. Anyway just as everyone says he didn't search still no one searched for deep idle confirming it a real working mod for kernels. So nobody searched. Just sayin.
Most times I would agree to "flaming" but in this case no one did what we are all told to do. Sometimes the op can be right however I can see how this got confused for deep sleep. It always did in the deep idle thread anyway.
And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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definitely not disagreeing with you because you are completely right but I think the problem, here, is that some people dont know the terminology. Even if he searched for 'deep idle' as he worded it in this thread title, it wouldn't return 'cpuidle' as you have it in your thread. But then, that raises a completely different issue altogether - which is that people need to learn the terms before posting threads.
just an observation and nothing more than that
Entropy512 said:
And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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Maybe irrelevant but I wouldn't know the difference. I'm just a noob here. True things are very much different and yes I read the changelogs which I'm grateful to have. I was just saying it's a real thing. It seemed like it was getting confused with deep sleep. I meant no harm. My bad.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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Actually, no. Im not about to let this place be a flamefest. I dont want people to be afraid of getting flamed so they dont post. If they do post and its against the rules or warnings, they will be delt with... thats what D_M and I are for. In fact, D_M put up this post and the last paragraph says that Users who flame will get infracted too. Flaming is against the rules, period. In times where we get several new threads started and everyone gets irritated by it, a snide comment or two may be made and in the past we have let that slide, but its starting to get out of hand now. I can open up the most recent 20 threads and 90% of them will have some sort of flaming in them.
The flaming may serve as a "purpose" but that dosent automatically mean that its right or warranted and D_M and I are going to start cracking down on this as it seems to have really blown up lately and seems to be "the cool thing" to do. This site is about Developing for phones first, then helping out the community second. Flaming, where as I said sometimes may be slipped in, should not be the automatic response.
Maybe calling them flames is wrong, they are gentle persuaders.
I don't respond to every lame post, mostly just the ones that I know could be answered by doing a search or that refer to something already in a Sticky or a thread on the first page that could have easily been found by simply reading the titles.
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Actually, no. Im not about to let this place be a flamefest. I dont want people to be afraid of getting flamed so they dont post. If they do post and its against the rules or warnings, they will be delt with... thats what D_M and I are for. In fact, D_M put up this post and the last paragraph says that Users who flame will get infracted too. Flaming is against the rules, period. In times where we get several new threads started and everyone gets irritated by it, a snide comment or two may be made and in the past we have let that slide, but its starting to get out of hand now. I can open up the most recent 20 threads and 90% of them will have some sort of flaming in them.
The flaming may serve as a "purpose" but that dosent automatically mean that its right or warranted and D_M and I are going to start cracking down on this as it seems to have really blown up lately and seems to be "the cool thing" to do. This site is about Developing for phones first, then helping out the community second. Flaming, where as I said sometimes may be slipped in, should not be the automatic response.
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This is exactly how I felt when I read the first reply. Its rediculous, every other thread you see someone is getting flamed. If one of you can name one person who gained knowledge about something they were interested in without asking at least 1 stupid question I will banish myself from the internets.
As for terminology I didn't know what to call it this term "deep idle" was how it was described to me I didn't think to look for deep sleep or anything else because I THOUGHT that was the proper term for it.
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Its hard not to be a **** when these sort of questions are asked. im not a developer, but since this is a development forum people don't take laziness lightly.
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Yes, but I was posting in the general forum part of this development website.
For the record, I am more confused than ever on this subject. Is it deep idle or is it deep sleep?
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iiApotheosis said:
This is exactly how I felt when I read the first reply. Its rediculous, every other thread you see someone is getting flamed. If one of you can name one person who gained knowledge about something they were interested in without asking at least 1 stupid question I will banish myself from the internets.
As for terminology I didn't know what to call it this term "deep idle" was how it was described to me I didn't think to look for deep sleep or anything else because I THOUGHT that was the proper term for it.
Yes, but I was posting in the general forum part of this development website.
For the record, I am more confused than ever on this subject. Is it deep idle or is it deep sleep?
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CPU idle
Everyone forgets the report button. You don't like the thread, ignore it or report it and let the mod decide.
Flaming is definitely getting out of hand.
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Everyone forgets the report button.
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I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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Flaming is definitely getting out of hand.
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agreed. I dont necessarily disagree with the flames but when you notice a daily trend, then its obviously not working and the mods need to take care of it. I end up getting more annoyed by reading all the flames, than reading the OP's questions.
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Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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just ignore the thread. Reporting and not replying to a useless thread will get further than flaming the OP.
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I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. we just need to let the mods do their job. Ignore or report.
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Miami_Son said:
I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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Well that guy is not me and I don't see how his posts are relevant to mine. No one HAS to help, I was asking a simple question for anyone who feels like answering. If the forum isn't for us common folk why isn't it invite only? Jesus Christ why is it so hard to ask one question here?
I don't understand how this is a job for the mods either, its just a question; a question that I finally got some sort of answer to after 15 posts of debate on wether or not it was okay to complain that I desicrated your forum with my questions. You people take yourselves way too seriously.
So you have a question. We've all had them. In fact, many have had the exact same question you have right now. And most of those questions have already been answered. So please search for those answers before posting a new thread.
Now that the dust has settled with the unlocking, ICS leak, mainver and OTA, most likely there's already a guide written to deal with the exact same issue you want to ask about.
Not only will you get your answer more quickly, you will also keep from cluttering up the message board with yet another thread asking the same thing others have asked and have answered already.
Lately there has been a plethora of new threads asking basic questions that have been answered many times and definitely have guides already written and it gets increasingly frustrating to have to see these over and over again.
So please, search first. Research. Read. And then if you really can't find the answer post in an appropriate existing thead. If there really isn't one, then start a new thread.
Thank you and good night. You've been a great audience.
The worst offenders aren't gonna see this and post anyway. They won't even read stickies usually
Yeah, it's not like it's a brand new forum protocol. *sigh*
Well, I got it out of my system, now I can get on with my day.
con247 said:
The worst offenders aren't gonna see this and post anyway. They won't even read stickies usually
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Jeeze dude, I'm freakin sorry. I wish there was a way you could see my search history so I could prove to you that I had in fact searched for the mainver info before posting my thread, but I simply overlooked you're awesome thread that had exactly what I was interested in.
Honestly the best thing to do is to ignore them. Not post something they won't read
No offense but con is right
Hit thanks or ill hit you
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Honestly the best thing to do is to ignore them. Not post something they won't read
No offense but con is right
Hit thanks or ill hit you
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Of course he is right.
Seriously, there had to be a bunch of people who have just purchased this phone recently. I'm sure the sale that Big Red is having isn't going to help things. I love that people are getting this phone because it's just amazing, but people do need to read everything before they just start posting questions. And they need to read everything before they start flashing crap on their phones. Just because you did it on one phone doesn't mean you'll know what you're doing on this one. Ou S-On, Dev Unlocked Rezound is a different beast altogether.
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Seriously, there had to be a bunch of people who have just purchased this phone recently. I'm sure the sale that Big Red is having isn't going to help things. I love that people are getting this phone because it's just amazing, but people do need to read everything before they just start posting questions. And they need to read everything before they start flashing crap on their phones. Just because you did it on one phone doesn't mean you'll know what you're doing on this one. Ou S-On, Dev Unlocked Rezound is a different beast altogether.
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I came from a Droid X and before I picked up the rezound, figured all android devices were the same! Boy was I wrong This has been a learning curve but in time Ive learned a LOT from reading all of the threads in this forum.I've only had a single mainver error, which was easily remedied. Other than that, I've been a flashaholic for the last 2 weeks trying to find something that feels like home and I still havent bricked my phone . The guys/gals in this forum who post fixes and guides are all badass!
badogg said:
Jeeze dude, I'm freakin sorry. I wish there was a way you could see my search history so I could prove to you that I had in fact searched for the mainver info before posting my thread, but I simply overlooked you're awesome thread that had exactly what I was interested in.
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Bro I am not calling you out.... I am just saying in general. Plus, my thread wasn't stickied so my post didn't really apply to you.
con247 said:
Bro I am not calling you out.... I am just saying in general. Plus, my thread wasn't stickied so my post didn't really apply to you.
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It's all good man.
The funny part is, I completely agree with you and this thread. I'm actually a little ashamed that I didn't find you're thread originally.
Really though, thanks to you and all the other devs that do all this hard work. I'd really like to be able to spend the time and learn how to do some of the Rom development, or theme dev'ing, or something to contribute. Not in the cards though with a busy job as a software support tech, and a 3 year old and another on the way at home. Time isn't on my side for hobbies like this. So, to get to the point - thanks a lot, much appreciated.
Its actually getting to the point that searching for stuff ends up a waste of time due to the clutter. You know how many threads have something to do with the mainver issue alone in General? Almost a hundred. That is insane. And some people wonder why others get grumpy when they don't use a search function. What would be awesome if we added extra code to the site and when the hit the Start Thread button, it asks them if they did a search.
It will show a list of other threads with the same words in the title, but they aren't just from the Rezound forums. But as con mentioned, the people who don't search aren't going to look at those either.
Bump out of necessity.
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Bump out of necessity.
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look how much you grown in a short time. You've gone from pm'ing everybody looking for answers, to supplying 90% of them.
Congrats!!!
This thread needs the obvious sticky request and a ton of thanks to Feralicious. Hopefully her words will inspire...and if her avatar pic was a bit bigger maybe that would get the newbies to actually read this thread.
feralicious said:
So you have a question. We've all had them. In fact, many have had the exact same question you have right now. And most of those questions have already been answered. So please search for those answers before posting a new thread.
Now that the dust has settled with the unlocking, ICS leak, mainver and OTA, most likely there's already a guide written to deal with the exact same issue you want to ask about.
Not only will you get your answer more quickly, you will also keep from cluttering up the message board with yet another thread asking the same thing others have asked and have answered already.
Lately there has been a plethora of new threads asking basic questions that have been answered many times and definitely have guides already written and it gets increasingly frustrating to have to see these over and over again.
So please, search first. Research. Read. And then if you really can't find the answer post in an appropriate existing thead. If there really isn't one, then start a new thread.
Thank you and good night. You've been a great audience.
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You had me at "plethora". Will you be appearing all week?
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Lately there has been a plethora of new threads asking basic questions that have been answered many times and definitely have guides already written and it gets increasingly frustrating to have to see these over and over again.
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You mean like when there are about 9 different threads going at the same time to tell everybody that "Sense sucks" ???
the only problem is, if your browsing these forums via your rezound, search doesnt work properly. if you tap on the "search" button, once the pop up appears and you try to enter text, the pop up disappears and you cant search. it does that on both dolphin hd & opera. dont recall if ive tried on another browser.... but as it happens on more then 1, its not a problem from one particular browser.
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nrfitchett4 said:
look how much you grown in a short time. You've gone from pm'ing everybody looking for answers, to supplying 90% of them.
Congrats!!!
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I didn't pm everybody! I was coveting the look of your home screen and didn't want to hijack the thread. But I got my own look now.
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DIncLover said:
You had me at "plethora". Will you be appearing all week?
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Yup. Don't forget to tip your server!
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I have been a forum member for many years and have noticed, of late, that there seems to be an Inordinate level of slamming, language and non-helping community spirit. While many seem to be ok with this, I find it offensive and not necessary. Yes I could move on to another forum but over all I have learned way to much here to move away yet.
I have asked a few times for the tone to change, in places I've been, however being scoffed at is the general response. I feel bad for new people coming in to get help and god help them if they haven't read everything XDA has printed..... embarrassment is beseeched upon the unsuspecting soul.
It's to bad the developers and long time user don't re-read the XDA Forums rules, many of these points are spoken about within the rules.
I ask all people that have run into problems with these types of response to contact a forum admin or higher up, from this link. Don't be afraid to be heard but please don't waste their time. Please be poignant and link's to display issues.
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I'm very new here, and can tell you that as a newbie, I was very intimidated by these forums. It took me a couple days, or a week even before I worked up the nerve to post anything.
I've been lurking a long time but just today started posting. Definitely intimidating.
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I'm very new here, and can tell you that as a newbie, I was very intimidated by these forums. It took me a couple days, or a week even before I worked up the nerve to post anything.
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Dazedstate said:
I've been lurking a long time but just today started posting. Definitely intimidating.
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Please don't hesitate to stop here any time, if you have questions. While I may not be able to answer certain questions my resources can sometimes help. I assume others will also be by to help out.
At one time I did feel the same and that is why I posted this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426122
but after doing a ton of reading and following these threads I realize the amount of time and dedication our devs put in for nothing in return. Sure there are times when they may bite someones head off but the reason they are that way is due to the influx of new people who post stupid garbage like "I want muh cuzin rom". One thing you learn real quick here is that you will think twice before posting something because you don't want to get your head chewed off. Its tough love but it keeps the forums clean.