Hello,
I have been reading many threads about rooting and sideloading and a bit confused.
I am assuming that rooting will void the warranty. Is this correct?.
Now if I sideload apps, could a software update remove the ability to sideload and remove any previous programs installed?.
Any other advantages to rooting other than having access to the full market?.
Thanks
Polar99.
Additional Question about Android Market
I would like to piggyback on this thread as I too am considering rooting my Nook to gain access to the Android Market. However, I'm reluctant to take this step as it voids the warranty, and I would only be willing to do so if I'm guaranteed access to the market.
This is my first Android-based device, so I have no other access to the market. When I try to download apps from the market webpage right now (no root) it says: "There are no Android phones associated with this account. Please sign in with a different account." So, here's my question:
If I root my Nook and browse the market using the app, will it automatically detect that I have an android device and allow me to download apps, or will I still have to "link" a device to the account? If I would have to link a device, is there a way to link the rooted Nook, or do I need another, legitimate android-based device (phone, etc.) in order to create an account. Or, for a 3rd option, is there a workaround to the linking requirement?
Thank you in advance for the replies! And, to help the original poster despite my very noob-ish status on this forum, I believe that rooting DOES void the warranty.
Shaftakovich said:
I would only be willing to do so if I'm guaranteed access to the market.
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Noone here will give you a guarantee!
We can only provide empiric data, and so far that says you will most probably (pretty close to certainty) be able to access the Android Market if you root your device following the directions given.
Thanks for the heads-up! I realize that nothing is a guarantee in this sort of situation, but I just want to make sure that I would *most likely* be able to access the market without access to some other android device.
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Thanks for the heads-up! I realize that nothing is a guarantee in this sort of situation, but I just want to make sure that I would *most likely* be able to access the market without access to some other android device.
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Indeed! I am a Mac user and followed the instructions in the Mac thread and it worked first time, without any major problems. First time I rooted (done it a couple of times because I have fiddled beyond my level of comprehension so I have needed a factory reset) it worked perfectly! It will root your tablet and give you access to Android Market.
Good luck and let us know how it works out for you! IF you run in to trouble you can always post, people here are generally friendly if your question is humble (as in "not demanding")
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For anyone that might know: should I wait until I get my SD card before rooting the Nook, or is it okay to do it without one installed? (Or maybe it makes no difference - I don't know )
polar99 said:
Hello,
Any other advantages to rooting other than having access to the full market?.
Polar99.
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I too would love to hear some opinions on root over simply sideloading. I've been sideloading and been pretty happy, and wondering the benefits of rooting beyond acess to market. I'm not the most techy guy, and sideloading is working pretty well.
My dad has been side-loading on his Nook Tablet for a bit now. It wasn't difficult for him to get started when I directed him to the threads on xda. He installed the Amazon Market without issue and is enjoying purchasing apps and the benefits of the "Free App of the Day". He is using SlideMe instead of Google's official Android Market. He loves the ability to switch between the Nook's stock interface and his Go Launcher setup. He even has most of the Google Apps running (excluding the Market and a couple others).
All this without root.
What root gets you at this point is primarily the ability to tinker with system files and to get some items items working, such as the Google Market, that might not work otherwise. It will also allow you to do backups of all your apps using Titanium Backup or similar apps which is great. If, however, you can live without that, side-loading is a great way to avoid getting worried about "voiding your warranty".
That said, Indirect now has a one-click un-root on the market that will take your Nook Tablet back to stock and B&N will be none the wiser in the event you want to send yours back.
Shaftakovich said:
I would like to piggyback on this thread as I too am considering rooting my Nook to gain access to the Android Market. However, I'm reluctant to take this step as it voids the warranty, and I would only be willing to do so if I'm guaranteed access to the market.
This is my first Android-based device, so I have no other access to the market. When I try to download apps from the market webpage right now (no root) it says: "There are no Android phones associated with this account. Please sign in with a different account." So, here's my question:
If I root my Nook and browse the market using the app, will it automatically detect that I have an android device and allow me to download apps, or will I still have to "link" a device to the account? If I would have to link a device, is there a way to link the rooted Nook, or do I need another, legitimate android-based device (phone, etc.) in order to create an account. Or, for a 3rd option, is there a workaround to the linking requirement?
Thank you in advance for the replies! And, to help the original poster despite my very noob-ish status on this forum, I believe that rooting DOES void the warranty.
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Double piggy-backing....
I have just rooted my Nook Tablet successfully, but not get the same message as you're getting...basically that I don't have any android device associated with my Google Account...
How can I associate the Nook Tablet to the Android Market????
Thanks!,
Gizmo
PlacidCat said:
My dad has been side-loading on his Nook Tablet for a bit now. It wasn't difficult for him to get started when I directed him to the threads on xda. He installed the Amazon Market without issue and is enjoying purchasing apps and the benefits of the "Free App of the Day". He is using SlideMe instead of Google's official Android Market. He loves the ability to switch between the Nook's stock interface and his Go Launcher setup. He even has most of the Google Apps running (excluding the Market and a couple others).
All this without root.
What root gets you at this point is primarily the ability to tinker with system files and to get some items items working, such as the Google Market, that might not work otherwise. It will also allow you to do backups of all your apps using Titanium Backup or similar apps which is great. If, however, you can live without that, side-loading is a great way to avoid getting worried about "voiding your warranty".
That said, Indirect now has a one-click un-root on the market that will take your Nook Tablet back to stock and B&N will be none the wiser in the event you want to send yours back.
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It isn't on the market yet because we would have to remove the paypal donation link. :| Wondering what to do because of it. I don't want to force people to donate to me, but I don't want to be completely left without a viable way to have some kind of cash flow.
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It isn't on the market yet because we would have to remove the paypal donation link. :| Wondering what to do because of it. I don't want to force people to donate to me, but I don't want to be completely left without a viable way to have some kind of cash flow.
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Whoops, sorry about that! I thought I had read a post about it being available but I most likely mis-read it in my excitement.
In any case, un-root is possible and makes rooting simply a choice of whether or not you want to do some additional tinkering, not whether or not you are afraid of the B&N wolf.
>It isn't on the market yet because we would have to remove the paypal donation link.
I wouldn't bother putting it on the Market. Peeps who know enough to root would already be here on XDA, and those who don't know, wouldn't have Market in the first place.
And not to dampen your enthusiasm.. while there may be enough in donations to get a small pizza, calling it a "cash flow" would be a bit optimistic. Your audience size is small, and their purse string is even smaller. Dean Gibson can probably tell you something about that. Just FYI.
I have a bit of a unique situation in that I work at B&N, who have no problem with employees rooting beyond the usual warranty void. Even with one-click unroot, my store woild know it was rooted, meaning to file a claim I'd most likely have to do it behind my store's back, and that sort of thing has a tendency to come back and bite you on the ass.
That said, is there an emulator on a rooted tab that would display the default NT ui?
What software diags do B&N techs use to service NTs? Can you provide a copy?
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I bought a Nook Color Tablet for my daughter for her birthday. I would have put my Google Account info on it, but I didn't want to allow for even the chance that anyone could pick it up and access my gmail correspondence. This is a bummer. I have all of the family's several IOS devices on a single iTunes account, so any app I buy for one iOS device, I've effectively bought for all (1 iPad, 1 iPhone and 4 iPod Touches in the family). I would have wanted to do the same thing on our Android devices, but I use Google Apps for my law firm's domain, so that means that my gmail contains confidential attorney-client correspondence. Lawyers walk the plank for letting others read atty-client communications, so I couldn't put my regular Google account on the Nook. Instead, I created a new one just for the NT.
Since the NT has a different account than my other Android devices, then I assume that means none of the apps I've already bought for my Android phone (Samsung Droid Charge) and Android tablet (Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 1838) can be installed on the Nook tablet -- at least not easily.
I've seen some threads here about using Titanium Backup to backup apps from other Android devices and then extract the APK and install on the Nook Color Tablet as an end-around way of installing apps that aren't available (to the Nook) on the Android Market.
Question: can I backup apps that I bought on [email protected], then extract the APK, then install that APK to the NT that is tied to [email protected]?
It is possible to do so but, you won't be able to update the apps on the nook tablet
the problem is that it is technically piracy and therefore illegal
I've never considered to be piracy...nor given it much thought. Probably wouldn't stop me either way. When I was using my rooted NC under the same account as my phone, it had equal access to the apps I've already paid for, and my NT will too once I get around to rooting it. For now, I'm doing exactly what OP is asking about, and it works great...just without the updates. So for now, I figure I'll just make it a point to regularly re-install the apps that I back up, or buy. I don't agree with pirating apps, but I figure if I've paid for it and I have access to them on whatever device has my google account on it then they're free game since there are no restrictions there. I've just get to get my account on my NT.
I'm opposed to piracy too. And maybe what I am trying to do is piracy, but I don't see it that way. If I put my Google account on my Nook Tab, then I could install all my Android apps there without violating the license. But to protect my privacy (and, more importantly, my clients' privacy), I can't put my Google acct on the Nook, because there's no way (no way that I know of, anyway) that I can absolutely positively keep anyone who picks up the Nook from accessing my Gmail and my Google Apps email. I'm aware of some things that could be done (like using Seal or App Protector), but none of them is foolproof. I don't want to give a device to a teenager that's not locked down in terms of privacy. So to solve this, I just put a new account on the Nook. If someone wants to call it piracy under these circumstances, I guess they'd be correct, but it sure seems a use within the spirit of the agreement.
YMMV
I would do it myself in your situation but I was just letting you know what you would be doing
Hello everyone, and thank you very much for all your hard work in this forum. Also, I'd like to apologize if my questions have been answered elsewhere. I've searched, but I must have missed the answers.
First of all, I'm a noob all right: first-time owning an android device and having almost no experience with linux/unix systems. However, I'm not afraid to learn and tinker with things if I know what I'm doing, the rewards and the risks involved. I have searched and read quite a bit, but I still can't decide whether I want to root my tablet or not. Hence the question: What are the benefits of rooting the NT?
1. Install 3rd party apps?
This seems to be the biggest reason for most people who decide to root their NT. However I'm not an app junkie. In fact I prefer my device to be lean and mean, so I try to minimize the number of apps I install. I don't play games, not even Angry Birds, so the apps that I'm interested in are mostly utility apps. I value functions more than looks, so I couldn't care less about installing a personalized color theme, but I would go all out to get something that helps me organize my stuffs. I have tons of music and books and PDF documents that without a folder system, it would be an impossible pain to scroll up and down to find the thing I want. So my questions are: does stock NT allow us to organize our stuffs into nested folders? If it's a no for stock NT, can rooted NT do that? I've heard that we need to sideload 3rd party app (mxplayer) to playback some video files (mkv)? Can I stream flash videos, such as those on youtube or hulu.com, using built-in web browser, or do I need to root my NT and install particular browser? Is there a good app to read and annotate PDF documents? Can I install voice chat apps such as GTalk or Skype? Is there a good app for sketching with or without a stylus?
I guess my question is, are there such apps, and if there are, can I sideload them without rooting?
2. Remove memory restriction?
We have only 1GB for non-nook stuffs and restrictions on what apps we can install where. Even though we can sideload many non-nook apps as well as non-nook content without rooting, they are not going to be stored in the nook-only partition, right? So is there a way we can access and store our stuffs on that huge nook-only space without rooting? If not, will rooting allow us to do that? It just seems unfair to me that out of 12GB, we have only 1GB for our own stuffs.
3. System/Interface modifications?
I read somewhere that NT does have a bluetooth chip, but rooting still doesn't make it usable. Then what are the main modifications we can do? Would any of them prevent us from unrooting and returning the NT to stock if need be?
Thank you very much for reading my post, and again sorry if I unknowingly violate any rules/etiquette of the forum.
Lot's of questions, but that's ok. I have a nook color that was rooted, and my android phone is rooted...and that's about the extent of my experience, but it lets me compare to a non-rooted NT just fine.
I'm finding that with a little effort, my stock NT is just about as flexible as my rooted NC. Without rooting, I've got a ton of apps sideloaded, a different launcher running, an app that allows me to access specific apps or the whole drawer no matter where I am (wave launcher), dropbox, pdf's a plenty, netflix and hulu...yeah. I'm actually impressed with the stock pdf reader as I can highlight and look up words directly from the text, but I primarily use Repligo for pdf's as the stock reader sucks at reflowing the text. I keep just about everything on my sd card, so I'm not too concerned with the storage partition. I plan on getting a 32gb card and moving apps to sd if I have to...no biggie.
The only thing I really miss about not being rooted is not being able to use titanium back up, or access to the android market for updating my apps, and the only reason I'm not is that I'm too lazy to go through the process. As of right now, if I want an app on my NT, I either get it off the Amazon market (which can easily be installed on a stock NT), or I pull the apk from my titanium back ups on my phone. I know it's not a true tablet, so I'm not so concerned with putting different roms on it. I like it as a high power reader.
It sounds like you don't need a rooted NT, really. Android market is the main reason for most people who don't want to fully use it as an android tablet or mess around with settings to use the machine.
You can install launchers, other apps, amazon market, etc, without rooting it - and a 16 or 32GB sd card is going to be plenty on a reader/browser/streaming entertainment device. As mentioned in another thread, if you're asking why? then you don't need it Try to do whatever you want without it, and keep in mind that it's *not* a drastic procedure if you do decide to root the device, and you can always unroot/go back to factory whenever.
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Hello everyone, and thank you very much for all your hard work in this forum. Also, I'd like to apologize if my questions have been answered elsewhere. I've searched, but I must have missed the answers.
First of all, I'm a noob all right: first-time owning an android device and having almost no experience with linux/unix systems. However, I'm not afraid to learn and tinker with things if I know what I'm doing, the rewards and the risks involved. I have searched and read quite a bit, but I still can't decide whether I want to root my tablet or not. Hence the question: What are the benefits of rooting the NT?
1. Install 3rd party apps?
This seems to be the biggest reason for most people who decide to root their NT. However I'm not an app junkie. In fact I prefer my device to be lean and mean, so I try to minimize the number of apps I install. I don't play games, not even Angry Birds, so the apps that I'm interested in are mostly utility apps. I value functions more than looks, so I couldn't care less about installing a personalized color theme, but I would go all out to get something that helps me organize my stuffs. I have tons of music and books and PDF documents that without a folder system, it would be an impossible pain to scroll up and down to find the thing I want. So my questions are: does stock NT allow us to organize our stuffs into nested folders? If it's a no for stock NT, can rooted NT do that? I've heard that we need to sideload 3rd party app (mxplayer) to playback some video files (mkv)? Can I stream flash videos, such as those on youtube or hulu.com, using built-in web browser, or do I need to root my NT and install particular browser? Is there a good app to read and annotate PDF documents? Can I install voice chat apps such as GTalk or Skype? Is there a good app for sketching with or without a stylus?
I guess my question is, are there such apps, and if there are, can I sideload them without rooting?
2. Remove memory restriction?
We have only 1GB for non-nook stuffs and restrictions on what apps we can install where. Even though we can sideload many non-nook apps as well as non-nook content without rooting, they are not going to be stored in the nook-only partition, right? So is there a way we can access and store our stuffs on that huge nook-only space without rooting? If not, will rooting allow us to do that? It just seems unfair to me that out of 12GB, we have only 1GB for our own stuffs.
3. System/Interface modifications?
I read somewhere that NT does have a bluetooth chip, but rooting still doesn't make it usable. Then what are the main modifications we can do? Would any of them prevent us from unrooting and returning the NT to stock if need be?
Thank you very much for reading my post, and again sorry if I unknowingly violate any rules/etiquette of the forum.
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I'm somewhat experienced with Android, but I just lurk on the forums, I rarely post. The talent here and on other forums is amazing. You ask why root? And then you spell out the 3 main reasons for rooting. You kinda answered your own question. What you need to do now is make a decision for your self if you want to root. Factory restore is real easy, as long as you don't mess with the partitions, if you need warranty. One reason for rooting you left out, which to me is the most important, it's my hardware, I'll do what I want to with it-once I pay for it I don't want to be told what I can and cannot do with it. I guess that's ego. I love mine rooted, it's a decent standard android tab, and the Nook, because all the Nook software is still there-I chose not to remove it. Whatever you decide, though, Enjoy it!
Thank you all so much for replying to my post. It sounds like I don't need to root my NT, and that's my feeling too. Rooting or unrooting the device doesnt seem to be difficult, I was just wondering if it's worth it. I didn't want to miss out on something cool if I don't. I'm quite keen on reclaiming as much built-in memory as I can though, so I'll keep an eye out for when the gurus in this forum find out how to do create and mount a virtual FAT filesystem as mentioned in this post. It will also be real cool if someone figure out how to make the bluetooth chip work, if at all possible.
I have a question about Android market though. What's the main benefits of having Android Market vs Amazon Appstore?
Thanks again.
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I didn't want to miss out on something cool if I don't.
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You won't be - it's mostly convenience and exposure to more apps (by browsing the market), and a few other things (backup tools).
The Amazon store sort of seems to be pulling apps from a small (very small, like 2% or so currently) section of the Android market actually, since I've found deals on Amazon mirrored when the Android market was having a sale - but never the reverse. So: main advantage is separate deal opportunities for when apps go on sale. If you have access to an android device (your phone etc) you can just buy them on that device instead and port them over. The Amazon store is actually nicer and has more features that you'll like - the ability to block in-app purchases, much more reliable reviews, daily free app deals, so it's not bad at all. The Android market is much much bigger, but that likely means both harder to find stuff and ending up with a lot of apps that flat out don't work or crash on the NT. And who knows, the B&N app store might be expanded to be fairly large next year (they're planning on it).
Wow, thanks so much for the explanation, zmobie. Now I feel totally confident that I won't need the Android Market, at least as far as I can see. I might still root my NT though, one day, just for the fun of it
Amazon DRM
Let's not fail to mention that apps purchased through the Amazon App Store have been infected with DRM (digital rights management). You must keep the Amazon App Store application installed so that it can verify that you did not steal the apps. Though I am uncertain whether it keeps a log or actually makes contact with Amazon.com.
Then there is the fact that it runs in the background constantly. The NT may have the memory for it but my phone doesn't
So here we are, talking about not being coerced or controlled by hardware manufacturers but are perfectly willing to drink the Amazon kool-aid.
Thanks, Nuenjin. I didn't know that about Amazon Appstore. I hate things that run in the background unnecessarily, and this will be one of those. Why does it need to do that? Can we force it to close or change the settings such that it wont start automatically (sth similar to changing the startup settings on the PC)? As for the DRM, do we have a way to strip it off the apps? I bought ebooks from amazon now and then, and I always strip off the DRM so I can read them on other devices...
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Let's not fail to mention that apps purchased through the Amazon App Store have been infected with DRM (digital rights management). You must keep the Amazon App Store application installed so that it can verify that you did not steal the apps. Though I am uncertain whether it keeps a log or actually makes contact with Amazon.com.
Then there is the fact that it runs in the background constantly. The NT may have the memory for it but my phone doesn't
So here we are, talking about not being coerced or controlled by hardware manufacturers but are perfectly willing to drink the Amazon kool-aid.
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Does this also apply to the "free app of the day" from amazon?
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Does this also apply to the "free app of the day" from amazon?
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very much so
There are many people who do not mind a little DRM with their breakfast. They get a free app every day and sometimes better deals on the rest. I don't own any tablet yet, waiting on money honestly, but my phone can't support another memory sucking app that doesn't pull its own weight.
I read an article, and I'm looking for it so I can post it, about the hoops that Amazon forces developers to jump through.
For instance:
-The free app of the day; the developer gets no royalty for a free app.
-DRM is 'optional' but has anyone found an Amazon app that does not contain it?
-Developers cannot put their app 'on sale' outside of Amazon without lowering their Amazon price permanently.
-Amazon decides where the app will be priced, not the developer.
Sorry to go on, but once again, I don't like to do business with people/groups who bully their way into market share. That's Apple's model.
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There are many people who do not mind a little DRM with their breakfast. They get a free app every day and sometimes better deals on the rest. I don't own any tablet yet, waiting on money honestly, but my phone can't support another memory sucking app that doesn't pull its own weight.
I read an article, and I'm looking for it so I can post it, about the hoops that Amazon forces developers to jump through.
For instance:
-The free app of the day; the developer gets no royalty for a free app.
-DRM is 'optional' but has anyone found an Amazon app that does not contain it?
-Developers cannot put their app 'on sale' outside of Amazon without lowering their Amazon price permanently.
-Amazon decides where the app will be priced, not the developer.
Sorry to go on, but once again, I don't like to do business with people/groups who bully their way into market share. That's Apple's model.
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Sounds like a poor business model, as it pushes developers away.
Follow up question on amazon app market: if you get the free app of the day, is it forever tied to your amazon account? Can I remove amazon app store then someday put it back on and have access to those free apps?
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Sounds like a poor business model, as it pushes developers away.
Follow up question on amazon app market: if you get the free app of the day, is it forever tied to your amazon account? Can I remove amazon app store then someday put it back on and have access to those free apps?
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Yup, they're tied to your account. So as long as you attach the app store to the same account (and the apps haven't been removed by amazon for some reason) you'll have access to them.
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and the apps haven't been removed by amazon for some reason
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I pay for the app but Amazon can still remove it if they want? Now that's really ridiculous. Please, do we have a way to remove DRM? I'm totally new to this whole thing so I have no idea...
By the way, just to confirm, Android Market doesn't do this?
And one more question, I bought SoundHound from Apple AppStore for my iPhone. Is there a way I can install it on my NT? Or do I need to buy its Android version?
tkanne said:
I pay for the app but Amazon can still remove it if they want? Now that's really ridiculous. Please, do we have a way to remove DRM? I'm totally new to this whole thing so I have no idea...
By the way, just to confirm, Android Market doesn't do this?
And one more question, I bought SoundHound from Apple AppStore for my iPhone. Is there a way I can install it on my NT? Or do I need to buy its Android version?
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You need an android version.
tkanne said:
I pay for the app but Amazon can still remove it if they want? Now that's really ridiculous. Please, do we have a way to remove DRM? I'm totally new to this whole thing so I have no idea...
By the way, just to confirm, Android Market doesn't do this?
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I only meant if Amazon hasn't removed the apps from their market. I have no idea if any android app vendor has a way to remove a downloaded app from a device.
Google has removed numerous apps from the android market. The ones I've heard of were all malware of some sort, so no loss.
Hi guys,
First of all, I think this is the place to ask this, but if it weren't, please feel free to move to somewhere more adequate.
My bank has blocked its app on rooted phones. Is something that I don't agree with, but I understand why they do it (even when I think it's pointless). I also use a couple of apps that require root, and as of now, I prefer to be rooted than using the banking app. I was wondering if it would be possible, due to android's multiuser support, to have two users, one with root, one without, and use the unrooted user for the banking app. I searched a bit and come with nothing, with either means that is not possible, or that I am terrible at searching. Has somebody tried this?
Is there a phone/android version that allows someone whos not an Android expert to actually have control over what their phones doing? Or is it just not possible nowadays for a regular person to fully control the info their phone sends?
Sorry if this sounds cynical, it really is a genuine question.
Thank you.
Hi Steve, it sounds like what you need is a rooted phone. Forgive me if you're already familiar with the term, but rooting basically gives you administrator rights over just about everything on your phone, with only a few exceptions depending on which Android version the phone is running. This allows you to do stuff like revoke permissions for apps, block ads, and change how Android looks and behaves.
Do you have a phone in mind already? If not, what's your budget?
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Hi Steve, it sounds like what you need is a rooted phone. Forgive me if you're already familiar with the term, but rooting basically gives you administrator rights over just about everything on your phone, with only a few exceptions depending on which Android version the phone is running. This allows you to do stuff like revoke permissions for apps, block ads, and change how Android looks and behaves.
Do you have a phone in mind already? If not, what's your budget?
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Thank you for your help. I had a rooted phone, but a friend did it for me. Now I have a S8 active on Pie and from my research the bootloader I have (V5) is not rootable. I'm definitely not well versed in Android though and could be wrong. That's why I was wondering if there was a device that offered full control without the need and rick of rooting. If there's not, could you suggest one that is perhaps the simplest and least risky to root? I don't need top of the line, I don't game or anything and would be fine with getting something used. thanks again!
Luckily, there is a way in stock Android to control permissions! I forgot about it when I was typing my previous response. Here's an overview: https://www.howtogeek.com/355257/can-you-control-specific-permissions-on-android/ Hope that does what you're looking for.
If you want to do more with a rooted phone like block ads, there are some that are easily rootable, like the Google Pixel series. Here are a few options: https://www.androidcentral.com/best-phone-rooting-and-modding I liked the Pixel 2XL I used through my previous job, and I've heard good things about the other Pixels, for what that's worth. I haven't tried the other phones in that link, but the OnePlus phones have an excellent reputation.
There are many other phones that have varying degrees of difficulty for rooting, but I'm not aware of any relatively recent ones not on that list that I'd consider easy to root. I've found that the best approach to finding a new phone is going to GSM Arena's Phone Finder to put on my criteria, then coming back to XDA and searching through the forums to find out whether my prospective phone of choice has root yet. As you've discovered with your S8, some phones just never get there, which is pretty frustrating.
I hope that helps! Holler if you have any other questions.
Well, that's my main issue, you can only control certain permissions there. When I click "all permissions" I can see them all, but not turn them off. It's just a bummer that one has to go thru all this rigmarole to control a device they supposedly own. I was hoping maybe someone made a device that you could control stock, but I guess that was wishful thinking. Thanks again.
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Is there a phone/android version that allows someone whos not an Android expert to actually have control over what their phones doing? Or is it just not possible nowadays for a regular person to fully control the info their phone sends?
Sorry if this sounds cynical, it really is a genuine question.
Thank you.
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You must distinguish between Android OS itself and the apps that run on it: Android OS has no permissions you can invoke/revoke, only hardware/OS specific settings can be made there, but permissions can be granted/withdrawn from an app - if its developer has allowed the latter. To change the permissions of an app basically no rooted Android is required, this is done either via Android->Settings or via a 3rd-party APK editor.
BTW: It exist 3rd-party apps that can show you what apps are sending/receiving data over Internet.
Hint: Use your Android phone without Google.
Is root required to disable hardware?
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Is root required to disable hardware?
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No, only a hammer. :laugh:
Hi,
Just joined a new company that requires Company Portal to access Outlook email and other apps on my phone.
Evidently even if you manage to hide root from Company Portal, a major requirement is having an encrypted device with Company Portal.
In order to get rooted 2 years ago, I ran Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt during the TWRP setup process so my rooted V30 is not encrypted.
Is there any way to restore encryption now without losing my current stock rom settings and data and maintain root?
I see in LG Settings there is an option to Encrypt Phone and SD Card. Will this suffice so I can maintain root?
If not, is there a way to root and install a TWRP LG Pie Rom zip without disabling encryption via Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt?
Or is it impossible to root and use Company Portal with the LG V30?
Thanks in advance!
Drew
drewcu said:
Hi,
Just joined a new company that requires Company Portal to access Outlook email and other apps on my phone.
Evidently even if you manage to hide root from Company Portal, a major requirement is having an encrypted device with Company Portal.
In order to get rooted 2 years ago, I ran Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt during the TWRP setup process so my rooted V30 is not encrypted.
Is there any way to restore encryption now without losing my current stock rom settings and data and maintain root?
I see in LG Settings there is an option to Encrypt Phone and SD Card. Will this suffice so I can maintain root?
If not, is there a way to root and install a TWRP LG Pie Rom zip without disabling encryption via Disable_Dm-Verity_ForceEncrypt?
Or is it impossible to root and use Company Portal with the LG V30?
Thanks in advance!
Drew
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My only solution to this problem was to always use webaccess for my Office365 account. They required the portal to use Outlook, and part of that requirement allowed them to wipe my phone whenever they wanted. It's my phone, so I guess I won't use their email on my phone.
Sounds like your company has yet another behind-the-times IT department (like mine). Although mine is also exceptionally incompetent. They left the IMAP server open and available to anyone, so I simply used that with my GMail account instead. It did require me to allow them admin access to the phone to wipe the device (though I think they can only wipe the email) but it worked. They finally got modern and are using 365 so now it doesn't need these extra things. You might want to see if you can wait until they wake up and/or see if there is a server you can connect to. I found mine because, due to their incompetence, they let iPhones use the native mail app via the IMAP server, but forced Android to use some garbage 3rd party software for it instead of GMail. In both cases, the IMAP server was easily seen and setup.
I also have a company phone, so I don't really care if they can wipe it. Again, if I was going to take data from them, I'd do it before I announced I was leaving like any reasonably-intelligent person... so wiping accomplishes nothing. But, again, these IT departments are really dumb and incompetent...
To answer your initial question, I don't know if there's a way to re-enable encryption... but I also don't think that this is something that they can detect anyway. I'm thinking it may be something else they're tripping over. You may consider installing Magisk, and then using it's HIDE feature to see if you can hide the typical "signs" of rooting/etc. It may be good enough to get you working. If it doesn't you simply remove Magisk again (or just stop using it)?
Thanks @ldeveraux and @schwinn8 for the replies!
I know we use Office 365 but I'll have to ask about web access to see if that is possible. It's my phone and supposedly it's "not required" that I install Company Portal/Outlook/Teams on my phone, but I would be the only one at the firm not doing that and I am a new hire so... kind of a bad look so soon. I am not really comfortable with them being able to wipe my phone either, but that wasn't mentioned to me... yet.
Also would have to ask about IMAP, but I doubt it. No company phones either which is fine.
Pretty sure it is the encryption (or lack thereof in my case) that is the issue. I already use Magisk v22 and Hide all signs of Company Portal and pass Safetynet. On another XDA thread where Company Portal is discussed, I followed the suggested steps to no avail:
1) Install Company Portal V5.0.5067.0
2) Magisk Hide ALL of Company Portal checkboxes
3) Reboot
4) Still pass SafetyNet
5) Launch Company Portal
While the app doesn't specify the encryption as to why it cannot get me to the login screen, that's the only conclusion I can reach at the moment.
Did either of you try or look into encryption built into the LG/Android Settings menu? I don't want to do that unless I know of someone with success with it, but am curious if that would allow root via Magisk Hide, encryption, and Company Portal.
Thanks!
Drew
No I stopped carrying when they wanted permission to wipe. If the company was paying for the phone, that's one thing. If I'm using my personal phone for company use, that doesn't fly.
I realize this doesn't answer your question at all, but it's food for thought!
ldeveraux said:
No I stopped carrying when they wanted permission to wipe. If the company was paying for the phone, that's one thing. If I'm using my personal phone for company use, that doesn't fly.
I realize this doesn't answer your question at all, but it's food for thought!
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Carrying? Or did you mean caring?
drewcu said:
Carrying? Or did you mean caring?
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Caring. I don't own a firearm.
ldeveraux said:
Caring. I don't own a firearm.
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Lol got it. Just making sure I understood what you meant.
Assume you didn't look into the LG rom based encryption then?
drewcu said:
Lol got it. Just making sure I understood what you meant.
Assume you didn't look into the LG rom based encryption then?
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No at that point I gave up
Hopefully you'll get some help here, because I'd still like to be able to actually use Outlook on my phone!
So, a quick search says that there are modules available and other things that need to be tried. One further thing is to hide root from various Google modules. I remember hearing that for some other apps... that you had to hide root from Google services. I also remember hearing that, in some cases, you have to clear data for apps after the hide, because they apparently save the rooted-status in their own data.
Basically, I doubt encryption is the issue... root is usually the problem and can be a bit tricky to hide properly. You just have to try things. I have never seen any app fail to work because encryption is not available... it's always a root-detection issue.
As for the IMAP thing, the point there is to use the settings you find elsewhere to access email. You're not asking IT for permission or info... you just need to find it. Most Microsoft-based IT places I have worked with have zero clue that this is open and offered, so once you find it it's just a matter of plugging in the right info.
As for the web-interface, again, my company (for example) doesn't tell us that we can use the Outlook app, but it works with no tricks whatsoever. Plug in your company account info and it figures out how to connect.
FYI, the module I mentioned above is referenced here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ne-company-portal-hider-intune-hider.3780451/ - no idea if this is necessary or even the latest version...
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So, a quick search says that there are modules available and other things that need to be tried. One further thing is to hide root from various Google modules. I remember hearing that for some other apps... that you had to hide root from Google services. I also remember hearing that, in some cases, you have to clear data for apps after the hide, because they apparently save the rooted-status in their own data.
Basically, I doubt encryption is the issue... root is usually the problem and can be a bit tricky to hide properly. You just have to try things. I have never seen any app fail to work because encryption is not available... it's always a root-detection issue.
As for the IMAP thing, the point there is to use the settings you find elsewhere to access email. You're not asking IT for permission or info... you just need to find it. Most Microsoft-based IT places I have worked with have zero clue that this is open and offered, so once you find it it's just a matter of plugging in the right info.
As for the web-interface, again, my company (for example) doesn't tell us that we can use the Outlook app, but it works with no tricks whatsoever. Plug in your company account info and it figures out how to connect.
FYI, the module I mentioned above is referenced here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ne-company-portal-hider-intune-hider.3780451/ - no idea if this is necessary or even the latest version...
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Thanks for the suggestions! I actually have tried different modules without success both for EdXposed (Security Bypass for Company Portal with CP version 5.0.3013.0 and Bypass Exchange Policies). The closest I got was with CP 5.0.3013.0 where I could enter my credentials but then wasn't able to agree to the Terms and Conditions which is a prerequisite and got denied. The module you linked is no longer needed if using Magisk v22 with Magisk Hide according to people in the thread.
Have also tried the Outlook app, Outlook web access, Gmail, IMAP, POP3 -- all smartly locked down tight for compliance reasons by our IT. Just says to enroll with Company Portal after entering credentials.
Pretty sure the Magisk Hide route would work with V5.0.5067.0 if my device was encrypted. Company Portal checks whether your device is encrypted supposedly, so either you have to actually be encrypted or find a way around that. I am willing to be encrypted if I can still be rooted...
Not sure where to go from here to get it working without an encrypted device... but thanks for the post.
As I recall, Xposed is not really working or functional these days. The module I linked to is a Magisk module. Did you follow those directions, because it sounds like you didn't.
It sounds like you don't want to believe me... that's fine. I believe the answers are out there and it's just a root issue. You probably just need to do more reading and searching. I'm going to give up since you don't seem to want to hear it from me, so good luck...
If you find a solution, do let people know on this thread so the matter can be closed/completed.
I remember the other reason I stopped trying to use the Company Portal. They need permission to wipe my phone, which obviously I'm not cool with. Whenever I disable the Company Portal, mail stops working. That's reason enough!
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As I recall, Xposed is not really working or functional these days. The module I linked to is a Magisk module. Did you follow those directions, because it sounds like you didn't.
It sounds like you don't want to believe me... that's fine. I believe the answers are out there and it's just a root issue. You probably just need to do more reading and searching. I'm going to give up since you don't seem to want to hear it from me, so good luck...
If you find a solution, do let people know on this thread so the matter can be closed/completed.
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Yes I am aware that the module you linked is for Magisk. If you go to the OP, all the text is struck through because the module is no longer necessary as I stated previously.
[MODULE] Microsoft Intune Company Portal Hider (Intune Hider)
Introduction: Simple Module To Hide The Root From Microsoft Intune Company Portal. - After The Installation & 1st Reboot, It Hides The Rooting & Disables Itself [P.S. Disabling Itself For Some Versions] - Enabling This Module From Magisk Manager...
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It is easy to be confused. The "module" from the OP was needed before but is now obsolete since Magisk has gained the necessary functionality alone without the "module". There is no "module" in Magisk. Now go back and read the past posts over 2 months. First you hide Magisk so it passes safety net. Then you go into superuser MagiskHide, go into the app (eg Portal) and check everything. You need to understand that they updated Portal so you need to downgrade it so Portal will work again. You need to understand to use latest Magisk and Magisk changed. Not surprising you are confused. Now perhaps you have figured out the basics and the details will make sense.
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So I followed the steps on page 23 of that thread using Intune Company Portal V5.0.5067.0:
[MODULE] Microsoft Intune Company Portal Hider (Intune Hider)
Introduction: Simple Module To Hide The Root From Microsoft Intune Company Portal. - After The Installation & 1st Reboot, It Hides The Rooting & Disables Itself [P.S. Disabling Itself For Some Versions] - Enabling This Module From Magisk Manager...
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IlyaKol said:
Good call on the GitHub ticket.
For anyone reading, this is the process I followed:
1) Uninstall the existing Intune Company Portal
2) Reboot
3) Install the APK listed above or from another source (I used APK Pure). DO NOT LAUNCH INTUNE!
4) Before launching, go into Magisk and make sure to hide ALL of it as well as all of Outlook, OneNote, OneDrive, Teams, etc. (whatever uses your company credentails)
5) Launch InTune and set it up.
6) Disable auto-updates of the app as he stated in Google Play Store.
7) Profit.
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The result is I am still stuck on the "Open the Intune App" screen... No other error messages related to rooting, but cannot even get to log in or download Outlook or Teams. Have tried downloading the Intune App from the Play Store and that tells me to open Company Portal... so going in circles... I'm told I need to only use Company Portal from our IT firm.
I went through the same Magisk module thread and found others talking about not having encryption, and they are in the same position as I am -- following the steps or using the Magisk module (before Magisk v22) and still not getting CP to work.
Thus I am 99.9% sure I cannot use CP because I don't have encryption. You don't have to believe me, but I have tried everything I can think of save for using LG's Encrypt Phone feature... Would do it if I got confirmation I could stay rooted, not lose my data/settings, and then use Company Portal.
But yes, I absolutely would post the solution here if I find it!
Thanks anyway.
I'm rooted and have long had corporate email (two different companies) on a paid app called "Nine". First company was Fortune 100 global media company, and 2nd (past 3 years) is smaller but still has aggressive IT policies. Neither paid for my phone. I specifically remember with the first having to agree they could wipe the phone if it was lost -- but I think due to me being rooted they wouldn't be able to.
Nine - Email & Calendar - Apps on Google Play
Nine is a full-fledged and intuitive email app which supports Exchange and IMAP
play.google.com
ChazzMatt said:
I'm rooted and have long had corporate email (two different companies) on a paid app called "Nine". First company was Fortune 100 global media company, and 2nd (past 3 years) is smaller but still has aggressive IT policies. Neither paid for my phone. I specifically remember with the first having to agree they could wipe the phone if it was lost -- but I think due to me being rooted they wouldn't be able to.
Nine - Email & Calendar - Apps on Google Play
Nine is a full-fledged and intuitive email app which supports Exchange and IMAP
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Just tried Nine and it also tells me after entering my credentials that I need to use Company Portal (just like Outlook and Web Access).
Do these two companies you worked for use Intune Company Portal to manage policies?
drewcu said:
Just tried Nine and it also tells me after entering my credentials that I need to use Company Portal (just like Outlook and Web Access).
Do these two companies you worked for use Intune Company Portal to manage policies?
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I just installed portal and outlook, added both as admin or whatever it's called, and have a fully functioning inbox. I don't know if I'll leave it like this for the reasons I mentioned, but it works. I have the latest twrp, latest magisk, and adguard installed. I have no clue if I'm encrypted or not, how would I check? But I was trying to use the older version of Portal and it kept looping, so I installed the latest from the play store and we're up and running.
@ChazzMatt do you really think they can't wipe if they so desire? How could we confirm that? I surely don't want to give them that ability considering if you disable their permissions it stops working completely.
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I just installed portal and outlook, added both as admin or whatever it's called, and have a fully functioning inbox. I don't know if I'll leave it like this for the reasons I mentioned, but it works. I have the latest twrp, latest magisk, and adguard installed. I have no clue if I'm encrypted or not, how would I check? But I was trying to use the older version of Portal and it kept looping, so I installed the latest from the play store and we're up and running.
@ChazzMatt do you really think they can't wipe if they so desire? How could we confirm that? I surely don't want to give them that ability considering if you disable their permissions it stops working completely.
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For Nine I only needed the email server name.
For the previous Fortune 100 company I worked for, it was almost 4 years ago so I don't remember all the details but I remember granting them the privilege but I don't remember adding them as an admin.
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I just installed portal and outlook, added both as admin or whatever it's called, and have a fully functioning inbox. I don't know if I'll leave it like this for the reasons I mentioned, but it works. I have the latest twrp, latest magisk, and adguard installed. I have no clue if I'm encrypted or not, how would I check? But I was trying to use the older version of Portal and it kept looping, so I installed the latest from the play store and we're up and running.
@ChazzMatt do you really think they can't wipe if they so desire? How could we confirm that? I surely don't want to give them that ability considering if you disable their permissions it stops working completely.
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Company Portal didn't used to work for you, correct? What changed? Can you please list your steps this time?
I think to check encryption you use Termux and enter 'getprop ro.crypto.state' -- mine says unencrypted.
One other question is what version of Twrp are you using? I'm using one from 2 years ago -- 3.2.3 and never wanted to bother with the Pie one 3.3 or whatever is latest... Might have something to do with it...