I own a transformer 101, galaxy tab 10.1, xoom fe and a ipad 2.
Portable gaming has become very big! Alot of people like to game on the go... With that being said the GPU of future tablets should have some impressive portable gaming on the way.
You can find benchmark tests online that show that the SGX543MP2 is more capable than tegra 3s gpu. But how well does the tegra 3 really stack up against it? I would really like to know and compare which will be better for portable gaming.
What are your opinions on this? Does it matter to you that the next gen of andorid tablets seems to have a weaker GPU than a year old tablet? Or do you think the GPU in the prime will be great for tablet gaming for the next year?
Sure I game on my PC when im at home but when I am on the go I like to have a nice tablet device that can also play some killer games!
ILl be the first. WHO CARES! plus this is a redundant/repeat thread. Just because you put it in question form doesn't make it any different from the other thread. Members here already see you as trolling. Always talking about how this or that not better than ipad2. You the only one who sole reason for a tablet is gaming. Gaming is fine on the prime and can do way more than just play games. I play them also but not my main concern. Plus this new chipset is overall better than ipad2. The reviews showed it and several other members think so also.
So if you think you can convince members here to believe apple/ipad2 is better than Android, you lost. Talk about something intelligent for once other then friggn gaming. Most people have lives, work jobs. Gaming is only a hobby/pastime. You make it seem like all you do is gaming. Such focus on gaming must mean you are young or probably a teenager.
Project IRON FIST initiated . You are just so obvious at trolling about apple in an Android forum. At least be discreet about it.
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I knew your name looked familiar.
This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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This thread is not about chipset.. its about the GPU, if you dont have anything helpful or informative to post then dont post.
We are not interested about how you are butt-hurt about every little negative having to do with the Prime... I am just trying to get a better comparison of last years best tablet (imo) to the new ones coming out.
I suppose your going to delete this thread too but I think people have the right to know about this information and discuss it.
Ipad 2 is the only apple product I have ever owned and I also own multiple android devices. So please stop with the "droid fan boy act" and try to be informative for once and have a open mind.
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you gave me a thank for calling you a troll... uh.. mmk. ur just contradicting yourself. but fyi the processor makes a different in the gpu load and performance, everything put together does, ram included
Come on, give it a break already. There are already benchmarks out there. iPad 2 has faster GPU, while the Prime has a faster CPU.
I'm glad you are enjoying your iPad games, but most gamers are too busy playing Skyrim to care.
Oh? zedklind I thought you posted because you wanted a cookie...
You sure didnt have anything informative to say so I figured you just wanted a pat on the back or something, my bad...
Gaming on the Prime still looks very impressive
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-trans...games-bladeslinger-glowball-chidori-06200431/
I see in games that they offer more details in tegra 3 games than in ipad games. So developers of games think that tegra is faster and more capable.
Sent from me...
Thats is what I am hoping for, but i just hope that the android platform doesnt scare alot of developers away...
Being so easy to just download any .apk file and intall it (expecially when any android device can do this right out of the box stock) without having to pay anything for it isnt really going to bring in many top developers. I really hope ICS addresses this issue.
If they do fix the issue i see a birght future for tegra 3 and android, and it will mean lots of new great apps and games for us!
i was the first to make a thread about this but i still think graphics doesn't matter at all on tablets, theres only 1! game on the ipad2 that has graphics worthy of there GPU, and it doesnt sell nearly as well as any of the little crap games.
I hate any game on my ipad that had good graphics, they always figured a pretty picture was good enough. I had a jailbroken ipad so i played all the games, and the best and funnest games are always the well drawn games, the cartoony little games.
unless im missing the point here.
I think the point for me is that I am excited to get this device and I will probably casually play whatever games are developed for it. If those games are developed for this tablet in particular I assume they will work well with the hardware. If they don't, I won't buy them. This tablet will game. That much has been proven. Now let's see if anybody will develop anything for it.
On a lighter note, I personally don't need my tablet to be able to whip out its di..ahem...GPU and be bigger than everybody else's in the room. That said I don't want it to attempt that feat and end up with the tiniest little button peni...um GPU... in the room either. But we already know that isn't going to happen.
All that said I will just be happy to get a firm..ahem...solid...um..definite release date.
I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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I've followed a lot of OP's posts, and you have a lot of the tendencies of a troll.
To answer the thread, yes, absolutely the iPad 2 has a better GPU than the TF Prime. I don't see what the point of this thread is other than to flame-bait because I think most of us already know that.
I have an Xbox 360 to play videogames on. But if I do ever want to play games on a TF Prime, everything that I've seen so far played on it looks like it runs very well. So if your post was meant, as I can well guess, to make me respond in some impassioned way, it didn't go very far because it only pushed my yawn button. You basically just played the sledge hammer game at carnivals where you try to ring the bell at the top and only made the ring of anger go up by 1 section.
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Like I said in the OP, at home i play on my gaming PC or gaming console but while I am at work or out of town I like to play games on my tablet, I would never expect my tablet to be on par with my gaming PC or 360... And lugging around a 360 or gaming PC everywhere I go would be a pain.
I'm talking about portable gaming devices... you know, psp,dsi,vita.
Most people (i assume) are getting the prime because it has the latest Nvidia tegra 3 GPU which is made for gaming, any other tablet can browse the web, watch movies or play music.
So far I am hearing good things about tegra 3 and its future that nvidia is working hard on. Now we just need more game developers and app developers. Nvidia did their part and now its up to google and ICS to make a good home for developers in the future.
And i dont want to show off that my tablet has a bigger dong than someone elses but rather I would like to know it has the latest and most future proof dong currently available. That way i dont have to go out and buy a new dong every year... :x
In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
Synthetic benchmarks will never be useful to compare anything... Especially not on different OS platforms...
People need to get away from all this benchmark thing...
Btw I really doubt that there is a single game out there that maxes the Tegra 2. It's not about Tegra's lack of performance but about missing developers...
The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
The iPad 2 is more "futur proof" when it comes to games not because of performance but because of the plateform. There hardly won't be any game worthwhile that will be on Android but not on iOS. But there will be some games only on iOS.
The Tegra 3 is overall at the same level of performance than the A5 in the ipad2 but it doesn't means you can compare the two devices.
Tegra 3 is the most future proof you'll get for Android, nvidia is pushing games for it, you'll have exclusivity and games specifically design for it.
The real question is do you want iOS or Android ?
If your choice is base on games and games only (wich is weird because, honestly, games on mobile plateform aren't worth buying an expensive device only for them) then go for iOS, right now, that's where you'll get the best games.
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The Android world is the wrong world to get into if you want a dong that will be top dong for a full year. The whole tech world moves too fast for anyone to always have the best device and we just have to resign ourselves to that.
That said, I think Tegra 3 is very future proof. Let's shift our focus away from the technical discussion for a moment and over to the real world: Tegra 3 is essentially going to be the Android tablet standard for 2012 and ICS. They have already indicated that Tegra 3 devices will be coming out at least through mid year. At that point there will likely be a few better, newer SoCs, but Tegra 3 will still be sort of considered the baseline to which everything else will be compared, primarily since it is the first ICS quad core platform. When new SoCs come out, people will want to know how much faster they are than Tegra 3.
On another note, you really don't need to worry about the GPU so much. I already wrote an extensive post elsewhere about how Asus has packed the TF Prime with top of the line specs: rave reviews for the screen, awesome reviews for the form factor/design/build quality, the first good tablet camera and consequently the best, 32 GB starter memory when with most tablets the top of the line model comes with 32 GB, and of course the dock, which is an engineering effort and cost that no other tablet maker has to swallow. Considering it has all these things and comes in at such a fair price, it makes absolute sense that Asus had to cut costs in certain areas. If the GPU is that victim, so be it. Check this out: the new Motorola XyBoard tablet just became official, and the base model of the same screen size comes in at $30 MORE than the TF Prime even though it doesn't have NEARLY the same specs:
http://androidcommunity.com/verizons-motorola-droid-xyboard-gets-official-in-10-1-and-8-2-flavors-20111206/
I have a HTC Sensation. It is most often compared to the Samsung Galaxy SII. The Sensation has a better GPU, while the SGS2 has the better CPU. The SGS2 by far is the faster device (and I'm a Sensation owner, I'm not exaggerating). It is a much smoother experience in essentially every area, including gaming, even though it has the inferior GPU. My point here is that GPU isn't everything. HTC did a poor job of optimizing their drivers, so the GPU isn't even used for its full capabilities. Samsung, meanwhile, took a lesser GPU and managed to make something out of it. And let's not forget the large advantage the CPU has. The SGS2 in that sense is sort of analogous to the TF Prime, with an awesome CPU and a sort of average GPU. But since the overall performance of the device will come down to a confluence of way more factors than just 1 spec, don't pass the device off simply because you dislike 1 spec. Like I said, I can get over 1 unimpressive feature considering how much of the rest of the device blows my mind (again, please compare the TF Prime to the Motorola XyBoard and just TRY to tell me that Asus didn't put a HUGE effort into making the TF Prime the best possible device while still making some kind of money off it).
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You can't compare Sense device to something else It's not their drivers or what it's just Sense overall...
Sense is the biggest piece of crap code i've ever seen And yet it's so beautiful and I don't want to miss it...
Just have a look at the smali code of for example Rosie... It's absolutely horrible There is not a single reason why this thing shouldn't be slow.
Even with a Tegra 3 (-->HTC Edge) Sense will be laggy
But yes, your point of view is correct. It all comes down to optimisation of the OS...
I hope ASUS put a lot more develoment time in ICS than they did with HC
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In fact this whole discussion is absolutely pointless.
You can't tell both GPU's performance only from the benchmarks.
Why do you think Riptide GP looks that much better on Tegra 3 compared to the iPad2? Because the iPad has the better GPU? I doubt this
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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Riptide looks better becuase the developer got help from Nvidia and had specific optimisations for it. Fyi, riptide on the ipad and ipad2 look almost exactly the same despite the ipad2 being up to 9x faster.
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I tried to make the same point before. There are hardly any ipad 2 optimized games only. They are all identical except for a few. Those few only have very minor upgrades. Nothing night and day different although ipad2 supposed to be 9x faster/more powerful.
I just hope developement for tegra3 picks up alot of support all across the board. We need more tablet only apps and games optimized for tegra3. I just heard ipad is getting microsoft office in feb. 2012. I really hope this comes to android also asap. Tegra3 has tons of potential. I really hope the developers take advantage of it and we see some high grade topnotch software.
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Hi, I know iv posted a few threads already asking about future proofing of the Galaxy S2 however i have a different question specifically related 2 gaming and game releases and updates not hardware or OS Software.
First question is: after the Galaxy S3 will launch, in other peoples experience with Android, will the games continue 2 be developed for the GS2..aswell as GAME updates, etc? I am fairly new to Android therefore dont know much about it yet or what to expect, but from others' experience, do games still get developed for "older" devices..and if so for how long usually?
Second Question: I always use my GS2 as im a pocket gamer, the big screen is marvelous, always gets me coming back 2 the GS2. Looking at benchmark tests in comparison to iphone 4s, it only has offscreen where the 4S wins hands down... however in Native Resolution(where most ppl play the games...on the phone screen) how much difference is the 4S GPU in terms of performance? Not including offscreen... or does anyone know where to fnd the benchmarks that ARENT offscreen?
the 1 site i found is here and it seems like the GS2 wins in Native Resolution GPU performance:
http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Samsung+GT-i9100+Galaxy+S2&benchmark=glpro21 <---- Galaxy S2
http://glbenchmark.com/phonedetails.jsp?D=Apple+iPhone+4S&benchmark=glpro21 <---- iPhone 4S
I just want to get a bit better understanding of android and my GS2 thats all, thanks
When playing games on iPhone 4S and the Galaxy S2, i actually dont notice too much difference... what would others prefer 2 game on and why?(excluding the fact apple has more games to choose from)??
If gaming is your focus get the iPhone 4s. It has the best GPU atm and games are released on iOS before they get released on Android.
That being said you can use Android to game, too (actually quite well) but the iPhone still wins in that department.
....OH REALLY!!!???
i know the games get released on iOS first... but the small screen is annoying sometimes depending on the game.
I wanted an in depth answer from the benchmarks i posted and all
and btw, gaming is not just my focus, the whole phone is, screen size, how long it'll last, what you are able to do on it, etc... gaming is just my question in focus!
peterdan1506 said:
....OH REALLY!!!???
i know the games get released on iOS first... but the small screen is annoying sometimes depending on the game.
I wanted an in depth answer from the benchmarks i posted and all
and btw, gaming is not just my focus, the whole phone is, screen size, how long it'll last, what you are able to do on it, etc... gaming is just my question in focus!
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Then your question is much more complicated as all those factors depend on personal perception. As such you should get a hand on both devices (preferrably for a day or longer) and see which one fits your needs.
There's not really THE "in depth answer", but many answers, based on personal opinion.
So all I can offer is my reasons why I went the SGS II route:
a) I love AMOLED
b) I wanted a big screen
c) The reviews I read about it were great
d) It's very light, despite being huge
e) It's so flat
f) More of a general statement about Android: the way to customize the phone I want it, in every single way.
That being said I can see other, huge advantages for the iPhone, too:
a) Retina, it has a higher resolution than the SGS II
b) A big screen is not for everyone as some people prefer smaller phones
c) I love the glass design of the iPhone 4s
d) More games, more apps
e) Strongest GPU on the market, only rivaled by the iPad 2.
Those are my opinions about both phones, based on personal perception (I even bought my girlfriend an iPhone 4s as she has much iTunes music/movies already) and the technical facts.
As I said, that's just my opinion but I hope that you understand now, why I believe, that there is no definite answer.
I think the 2.x.x is a problem, not being optimized for multi core can affect overall performance since the OS mediates all the function calls but i'm not sure.
And being the hardware and software manufacturer always will give Apple some advantage, they can fine tune the software, i honestly think the Android phone lacks this skills.
But AFAIK custom roms can be more optimized than stock ones, i don't know how, but they usually scores better in benchmarks.
For me it's quite simple. Many people tend to enjoy puzzle games and such on their mobiles (e.g. Angry Birds, Cut the rope), because no matter what more complex games are hard to handle on a touchscreen. If you're that kind of person, then the SGS2 is the way to go: i can't see puzzle games becoming too good for this hardware in at least a couple years, plus the AMOLED screen of this device makes cartoonish graphics look really awesome, and the huge sizes deliver you a great experience.
Otherwise, if you want console quality games on your phone, with a complex story, complex controls and amazing 3d graphics (e.g. Shadowgun, Modern Combat 3) then the iPhone is the only way to go: it will be supported for a long time and its hardware will grow older much slowly because of the dedicated development.
Imho at the end of the day complex games will never be very suitable to a mobile device: controls have to be weird and unintuitive, and will take up most of the screen; also, they're not very suitable to be played on the go. Games like Cut the rope for example are a much better option when you are on the go, they will take much less effort and headaches to be played and in the end will give you more fun. All in all mobile games should be those time wasters we can use while we need to wait for the bus or something like that, a fully blown gaming experience feels out of place imho. I've played most of the high end 3d games to date on my device, but if i think about it most of the times i did i was at home on the couch, while instead i hardly touched them while on the go, when simple games like Trial X or Cut the rope are the best way to have fun imho. In the end you gonna do what i did, and realize that high end games are a waste on mobile devices, because they are so complex and involving that the only way to enjoy them is being at home, where you can have your console/gaming pc and have much more fun. Just my 2 cents.
u want gaming get an iphone
u want a bigger screen get sgs2
u want gaming on a big screen
wait for iphone 5
OR
gaming on a portable device
PS vita
3ds
etc
You can have an idea looking in the SGS1 forums. Probably when SGS3 be out on the shelves, SGS2 will receive the same treatment SGS1 is receiving since SGS2 was released.
^ Very likely right.
The price we have to pay for this open plattform is that there's a high degree of fragmentation. I wish they would make phones a bit more expensive, but stop releasing them so fast.
Then again:
the advantage of Android is, that we don't have to rely on Samsung at all, when it comes to updates.
i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
I am sure with your greatfull attitude, you will get the answers you seek promptly.....surely nobody would expect you to use a forum search and find the answer like everyone else does ....
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i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
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Ok, i'll write it down in more simple manner, directly addressing your op:
1)Benchmarks mean NOTHING, especially when comparing 2 completely different platforms, ran in a completely different manner. Anyway, fwiw the gpu in the iPhone is about twice as powerful as the one in the the GS2, so expect that the high end games specifically designed to take advantage of the a5 soc will SUCK on the GS2 simply because there's no comparison. They may be ported to the GS2 because it's a well selling phone, this is very likely to happen, but they'll probably have much less detail/effects and will probably lag and stutter. You can't really see that now, but trust me: in a few months some of those will come out, and you'll know i was right.
Even assuming that the GS2 will be fast enough for those (and it won't) they will still run better on the iPhone, basically because Android games are ports of games which were born with the iPhone hardware in mind.
2)iPhone version will always be the one relased first, and also the one receiving more updates/bugfixes (e.g. the iPhone version of MC2 has more maps in the multiplayer version).
Now i'll also write it in caps so that you won't have more doubts about it: GET THE FREAKING IPHONE.
just like what vnvman said
get an IPHONE !!!!
or
get a 3ds or something
peterdan1506 said:
i dont wanna particulary read more forums again!
can someone just tell me the answers 2 my damn questions?
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Hey if you are smart enough you can type g o o g l e. com and find your damn answers cry baby.
Emulators flawless victory... You don't know how many iphonerz have seen me playing super Mario 64 on my tablet and asked "is that an iPad? What's that app called?
Angry birds is so yesterday.. N64 was last decade
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Android also has a much greater market share than IOS (44.8% compared with 27.4%) - its no surprise that the Android Market is set to surpass the Appstore in 2012 as Android IS EVERYWHERE! Developers can earn much more money developing for the majority! .... Apple are seriously worried, releasing this poo iphone and Steve jobs dying aswell. Oh Dear - samsung & google are booming,
Ice cream sandwich is supposed to give our GPU a massive boost, so exciting times.
Apple does seem to get the games first, however as ive said - this is slowly changing, ive also failed to see a game run smoothly on the SGS2.
Browsing, watching movies and playing touch screen games are much better on the bigger screen, with the much better colours. You have to remember, on a 3.5in screen, your fingers dont get any smaller!
I wouldnt go for the iphone, its a poor release from apple, i think its more of a desperate release than anything.
Sure, the screen on the iphone does have a greater resolution, there is no denying this - however, they fail to tell you that this is only noticeable when zooming in 'further than' a double tap zoom. They also fail to mention that the iphone screen as a contrast ratio of 1400:1, the SGS2 is 100000:1 (everyone sees the contrast without zooming in, its the vibrant colours, the depth of colour and the blackest blacks etc)
But half the ram?
No customization?
Smaller screen?
Thicker?
Heavier?
Easily smashed?
No flash still?
No external sd slot?
No hdmi slot?
Underclocked 800mhz cpu?
Smaller battery?
No bluetooth file sharing?
Poor integration to social media?
I could go on...
to me - the SGS2 is a clear choice.
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3d intensive high-end game development takes time and I think those games are optimized not the latest but a strong mainstream hardware in mind. I think gs2 have enough juice to deal with any upcoming games for a year or two especially on a 800x480 screen. Iphone pixel count is cca 33% more so needs a 33% stronger gpu for the same performance and cpu performance is inferior. At the end I do not think that in real life gaming a 4s could really show its gpu advantage.
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Not a big fan of benchmarks myself, but I have looked into GLBenchmark comparisons between the 4S and the S2. Here are my impressions:
- Both the S2 and 4S are essentially vsync limited for the Egypt and Pro onscreen tests, comparing them therefore is pointless. Although what I would say is it becomes exponentially harder for a framerate to get closer to 60fps when vsync limited, what I mean is it's harder to go from an average of 58fps to 59fps than to go from 57fps to 58fps.
- In the offscreen tests run at 720, you should expect all devices to have a reduced framerate from their native resolution for obvious reasons. The 4S is the only device I have found in the results database (with a lower than 720 native res) where the framerate actually increases. This strikes me as rather suspect and I would suggest that the iOS implementation of GLBenchmark is somewhat ballsed up.
- When I ran a lot of the specialised benchmarks used GLBenchmark what I saw is that actually a number of the tests are vsync capped at 60fps for the S2, so even overclocking the GPU does not increase scores. Somehow the 4S gets around this cap also on the individual tests and so its scores are significantly higher naturally. Furthermore the tests which are capped on the S2 are the ones where it already outscores the 4S. The GPUs on the 4S and S2 are very different and so you would expect them to perform better at different things and this is borne out in the results here.
Essentially what this means is that even with the cross platform nature of GLBenchmark, you still can't really compare the GPUs or 3D performance. I have yet to come across a game that has produced any noticeable framerate drop on the S2 and so it surely fits the purpose at least until the next generation of phones come out. It is only likely to get more buttery smooth under ICS and so I can't see anyone having a reason to complain.
Question boils down to do you want the earlier access to games or do you want the freedom of android? It seems to me we are seeing more simultaneous releases than in the past and the reported numbers from the App Store vs the Android Market are suggesting that Android is catching up fast in revenue terms in which case timing may be a moot point in the near future.
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I am sure with your greatfull attitude, you will get the answers you seek promptly.....surely nobody would expect you to use a forum search and find the answer like everyone else does ....
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You can have an idea looking in the SGS1 forums. Probably when SGS3 be out on the shelves, SGS2 will receive the same treatment SGS1 is receiving since SGS2 was released.
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I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
This was discussed in a couple of earlier threads (here's one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377519). ICS doesn't really improve on Honeycomb when it comes to hardware acceleration or multi-core support. It will, however, likely be more optimized and a better overall experience.
I think most folks are hoping for a better browser experience, mostly. Otherwise, I think performance will be similar.
Here's a great video that shows how the five cores work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1qKdBX4-jc&feature=player_embedded
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
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People need to stop quoting sunspider benchmarks they are extremely unreliable and you never get the same results!
Also those benchmarks where preformed with the stock ics browser! And who uses stock! If they used another browser it would been way faster!
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What is a better browser?
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
It woNt even matter. The extra cores will help regardless of optimized for it or not. There's been a few videos showing how the extra cores kick in to iniate actions faster, or make apps or games run a lot better. Who cares if the GPU not the most powerful out of all tablets. It's the most powerful in Android at the moment. Plus ipad2 is only slightly better. nOW, the CPU in tegra3 blows away any other CPU in the mobile tech market today, as far as tablets like iOS or Amdroid goes. The extra power in CPU can make up for any shortcomings on the already powerful gpu. Several reviewers said the best graphics ever seen on a mobile device was shown powered by tegra3 Prime, not ipad2. Browsing experience is subjective to the user. 3rd party apps are always better than native ones. Opera mobile will more than likely be best for prime, as it's the best for Android at the moment. Dolphin HD is great also.
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
As other more knowledgeable members have stated here before, don't be so fixated on spec numbers, like gpu. Nvidia and tegra3 has tricks up their sleeve to produce amazing results. Just like cars, just because you have more. Horsepower, doesn't automatically mean you will be faster or win. Other factors come into play. Weight, efficiency , etc...don't focus on gpu so much as it's the most powerful out for android anyways. Be amazed how more powerful the CPU is than any other tablet out now. The CPU will push anything extra needed the gpu can't handle on it's own. That's why Prime has all the extra capabilities like micro SD card support, USB host functions, game controllers, etc..
Apple, even though they make great tech devices, fool people. They could of easily implemented everything in ipad2 into ipad1. But no, they want to add a few extra features and make you want newer device. Especially with iPhones and all the different versions. Each upgrade could've easily been implemented into the last/previous one. At least with tegra3 is will have more longevity than any apple device. I have an iPad n love it but tired of having to hack ot just to do the simple tasks most others do out the box. Like people said before, iPad is for someone who loves simplicity and not too keen on technology. Android is a nerds dream and the customizations are very numerous. T the point of personalizing it. iPad, all you do is change wallpaper. Wow..lol. Even jail broken n adding themes, it still the same look really. Although I do have honey pad on iPad which changes it up to honeycomb UI. Completely makes iPad feel like a new device with widgets n everything. But ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM so I run out of ram quick when adding several widgets. Even ipad2 only has 512. Most Android devices now run 1GB of Ram. Newer ones will have even 2GB. The future lies with Android. The Prime will be the beginning of the new Android Revolution. 2012 will he tegra3 year, year of The Android. Once ipad3 announced, it will be cool n get lot of hype but now for the first time, us Android owners have devices to truly compete with Apple on all fronts. So the hype for Apple won't be as strong as before. People know now they have more choices of great products out there. Not just Apple.
Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Yes... all of those words.
Ectoplasmic said:
While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I edited/deleted what I originally wrote. I'm sure he saw what I wrote. Regardless of how I feel, everyone entitled to their own opinions. If everyone thought the same this world would be a boring place. Just because I don't agree with opinion doesn't mean i need to counter and rag on the person.
That link does show some very interesting facts n details on how Android operates. This has been posted before but still good info.
I believe Android is more a focus on strengths than on shortcomings. android is getting better n better with every release. I know iOS structure and environment very well but I see the future potential in Android. iOS will always be locked down.
Cool story bro...
I used to take sides on the android vs. iOS debate, till the day I took an Arrow in the Knee.
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Cool story bro...
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blaziner18 said:
I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Theory says: A processor (a core) can only run one thing at a given time. OSs use priority systems and give each running process a short time to do something before passing to the next process in a cycle. Having more cores would mean that each app would go in a specific core, so if you have 4 apps running at the same time, the 4 cores would be used. If you have more than 4 apps, each app would be assigned to a different core so they are distributed instead of acumulating them into just one.
And this should happen even if they aren't prepared for multicore, the system will send each app to a different core so they can run at the same time and be smoother. If an app is ready for multicore, then it can use the different cores to get the same result 4x faster. And even in games, as the GPU only fills textures. Yes, the iPad2 will fill the textures faster, but everything else will be faster on the tegra3 because of the 4 cores loading the game itself and each level faster, calculating each movement faster, and so on.
As browsing goes... read the link given by Ectoplasmic and try what is said there (i beliave it was that article) on your iPad. While loading a complex webpage, if you try to do anything with the tablet, the loading will stop until you release it. There, if it was at least dual core, one core could handle the user interaction and the other the browsing. Being a multitask system, android also has the problem of browsing with possible background apps using the connection (that only has one channel) limiting your speed and performance. Having more cores would soften this effect (because of what i stated first) but never eliminate it. On the other hand, your Twitter, fb, g+ could be getting updates while you load a webpage (it would take 1.1 secs instead of 1.0) but it wouldn't happen on the iPad.
Another day another Ipad (iOS) vs Prime (android) discussion.
So eat this, trollz!
If you ever thought about getting or did get an iPad you're not worthy of the Transformer Prime man.
I'd say if you cant decide between the two: ipad2&prime, get the iPad. Why? Because if you dont have an ipad, you dont have an ipad.
If for some reason after reading this post you're under the impression that I suggested to you to get the iPad. Get the iPad. Or read it again.
And dont take me too seriously i'm a friendly guy. And i just had some yummie beers and some red stuff out of a strange bottle^^
[Looking forward to the moment when "Sent from my TransformerPrime" is written in this spot]
demandarin said:
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
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me the child? I see all of your posts, and if anyone says anything negative about your god of a device you turn into a sad little fanboy. I don't feed into negative hype, I know what i see and i know that the apples internet browsing is faster. I was simply wondering what the cores do.
Android fanboys don't own iPads. I have an iPad and Android devices. So I can say I have experience comparing the two browsing experiences. Like I said before, in a sense, it was already stated before what the cores can and cannot do. This nothing more than a rehash of old thread that got closed. Grow some $&@@- and learn to research first, as your question been answered in several other threads here. XDA is not here to hold your hand n tell you everything OK. Get a grip, use search function, don't take everything so seriously . If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff, then take it easy on the fluff filled threads..lol mr. hype man
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.. If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff..
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I've never seen you post anything meaningful.
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
my prime should be here tomorrow so ill post up my results for you. also keep in mind that the ipad 3 should be coming out sometime this year. but you said you wanted an android device so that may not matter.
Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Thanks.. I did hear the iPad 3 is coming out but it seems like a rumor at the moment? Like you mentioned though I am really looking to get away from the limitations Apple has which is my drive. The IOS 5 update took away my direct print function from email and Safari from an app I paid for which i was told from the developer was intentional and there is nothing they can do about it. I am not unhappy enough with the iPad to just make a change for the sake of change as it does work nice for most of what I do. I wish this was in store to try it out first but I can be patient.
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Ya thats the way i feel, if the prime doesnt preform well ill send it back and wait to see if the ics update fixes it. but have you looked at the galaxy tab 7.7? i heard thats supposed to be pretty nice and if you already have an ipad 2 maybe the smaller size would be good for you. Either way i think you have to wait for the ics update to get a real comparison.
I did see something about the 7.7 but thought it was only avail through Verizon with LTE? The size is actually probably not bad and doable.
I recently picked up an ipad 2 while I wait for a replacement Prime to come in. I am by no means an apple guy, in fact I don't like a lot of things they do and have been an android user for years. That being said, I am very quite impressed with it so far. Very fluid ui and browser (great flash support using Photon browser). Games, are significantly ahead of android in quantity and quality. Software in general is polished and compatibility is excellent.
Now, unlike prime with storage and hdmi... With ipad you pay for everything. Hdmi, eternal storage etc. External output is Meh, requires google tv for most things. Peripherals in general are expensive, but will be compatible with most if not all apple things.
That's all I can think of right now... Plus typing on a phone sucks.
Let me know if you have specific questions.
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sdynak said:
I would like to start off by saying I tried a search and did not find conclusive results to my question so apologies if I missed a thread on this.
I would also like to say I am not a Apple fan by nature. I was a preorder on the Andoid G1 if that serves any background on me.
So my dilemma.. What sold me on the iPad 2 was trying out a iPad 1 early last year and took to the speed, performance, form etc. So learning the ipad 2 was down the road I waited a few months and walked into the store on launch day and picked one up.
My dilemma - I have not been very happy with Apple in general for many reasons which I won't get into but seeking real feedback if the Prime would compare to the iPad 2 for owners of both.
In desperation to have an Andriod device I recently purchased the Galaxy Tab 10.1 only to be disappointed and returned it. It is nice, don't get me wrong but pales in comparison to the speed in which I am used to. At least out of the box. I am not looking to mod my tablet (already do that with my Evo and Photon).
So, is there anyone here that can provide real feedback to owning both units? I really want to go Android but don't want to feel like I am sacrificing on anything. The browser tests I did with the Galaxy vs the iPad were significant enough for me to be a deal breaker. I know I am giving up flash on the iPad but in reality most of what I do doesn't require it. I would just prefer a Android device that has similar speed in browsing and responsiveness, screen etc..
Thanks in advance and sorry for the long post..
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This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
littleemp said:
This is not specific to the TF Prime, but rather all Honeycomb devices (And I guess Gingerbread too). Don't bother with the stock browsers until Chrome is finally introduced to Android, the stock browser is overall much clunkier and less responsive than other solutions that you can find on the market.
I personally use Opera Mobile on both Atrix 4G and Honeycomb Tablet, and I found a HUGE difference in responsiveness and ease of use.
EDIT: The thing about android is that only some stock apps are good (the others are barely adequate at best), however you can find excellent replacements on the market for whatever you need.
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I couldn't agree more. The Honeycomb browser is horrible and I can't even believe it still has not been improved. Opera Mobile is a million times better! The feature to change the user agent to "desktop" alone makes it worth it.
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
The Janitor Mop said:
No Honeycomb tablet can compare to the iPad 2 in terms of fluidity and smoothness. I can tell you from personal experience that Ice Cream Sandwich is the first version of Android that can compare to iOS devices in terms of smoothness and fluidity of the UI (yes, it's still not as fast as iOS, but for me it has finally reached the threshold of what I would consider to be smooth). I've used iPads and iPhones before and I know what you're talking about when it comes to responsiveness and smoothness. It's IMO the best part of iOS, and I'm willing to admit that even though I prefer Android. I've also used Android tablets, and nothing running Honeycomb can compare, point blank. Including the Transformer Prime. Anyone who tells you their Transformer Prime has as much UI fluidity, smoothness, and responsiveness right now is either lying, has low standards, or has never used an iPad before.
Wait until ICS to decide for yourself if the Prime is speedy enough. I have a HTC Sensation, and for me my phone has never been up to my standard of what reasonably smooth is until I installed a beta AOSP ICS ROM. Now, I'm not referring to anything other than speed when I say wait for ICS. I'm not going to tell you that ICS will magically fix certain problems the Prime is having like Wifi and GPS issues.
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I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
keitht said:
I understand that Honeycomb does not take advantage of multiple cores where ICS does. That would explain the difference if correct.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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Sounds close to the same thing I said except in a paragraph instead of a sentence!
The prime in its current honeycomb state, especially after this most recent update, is right on par with the UI fluidity of ipad1 or 2. as I own one also. I stayed with ipad1 because ipad2 wasn't a big enough jump all around to jusitfy dishing out for a new one. I have used the new ones extensively also though. I am constantly using my devices day n and day out so I have a good scope of how they compare. If you decide to get the Prime, it would be a great choice. there have been some issues that has arised for some people but overall doesn't affect everyone. going from ipad2 to a Prime would be a huge upgrade all around the board. definitely check out the various threads, good ones and bad one, and be the judge. you have my vote for getting the prime though. as an Ipad owner also, ipad1 or 2 can't compare because of the larger number of things and customizations that comes with Prime and Android. Apple puts out some great products but you have to live by their rules in their closed ecosystem. with Android, there is alot more freedom. you have to jail break I devices just to do half the things Android does right out the box. that's what sold me on Android. what sold me on the Prime was its Superior Display, best out of any tablet period, the great battery life, best out of any Android tab and on par with ipad2 battery life, superior specs-more powerful by far than anything out now and more than likely next few months down the road. then you have the perfectly integrated keyboard dock option which even has built in battery and extends battery life eveb further. no other manufacturer has been able to replicate that as good. plus Asus has a proven track record of putting out firmwares the fastest and keeps supporting devices.
good luck on deciding.
I just can't thank everyone enough for their kind and genuine responses..
This type of feedback is exactly what I was looking for.. I hate to admit it but I was not aware of the Opera browser. I tried Dolphin on the G-Tab which is very fast on my Photon and thought maybe it was related to the G-Tab. Now I know..
What I take from the responses is that ICS will certainly be something that will take advantage of the Primes true capabalitites. I am willing to give and take.. not one sided and understand that some things will be better and some not so much but the majority of my use is really plain browsing and e-mail. I don't do gaming at the moment so the real thing I want to maintain is a snappy browser and UI.
Sounds like I need to keep the Prime on the list for sure.. thanks again.. really could not ask for more than the true feedback here and not some bias article on the net.
Cheers & Happy New Year to ALL!!
Stan
ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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ok so my prime came yesterday and I haven't had much time to use it yet so don't take this as a real comparison.
So far the only thing worse about it is that hineycomb has a few hiccups sometimes. It hasn't annoyed me but then again maybe it will down the road. Also I pad 2 has a slightly faster browser but its really not a deal breaker. With opening and closing apps they are pretty much the same.
I'll update as time goes on and when ics comes out.
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make sure to update device to latest system firmware. 33. it speeds things up and fixes alot of bugs.
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That's an extremely simplified explanation, and one that's not necessarily true.
For a while, a popular topic of discussion going around about ICS was that ICS incorporates hardware acceleration and multi-core support, whereas Honeycomb and Gingerbread don't. That was all pretty much dispelled by a well-known post from a Google engineer who explained that that was just a popular misconception, because Honeycomb already offers hardware acceleration and multi-core support.
If you asked me why ICS is faster, I think it boils down to 2 things: 1) it's just an overall cleaned up OS, and 2) it makes better use of the hardware available. It's not that it makes use of hardware which previous versions of Android didn't do at all (as pointed out, Honeycomb did have hardware acceleration and multi-core support), it's that I believe it will make better use of hardware. I'm not a Google engineer and so this is just a conjecture, but I'm fairly sure that you can be confident ICS makes better use of multi-cores. I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest that because Google knows one of the primary advantages of iOS is speed, and also because essentially all high end Android devices today are multi-core. If Google went into the development of ICS with the goal of making it a faster OS in order to close the gap with iOS, and they went into the development with the knowledge that essentially all devices that would use it would be multi-core, then they certainly put some effort into making better use of such hardware.
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optimization is the name of the game. so far with most devices that have early builds of ICS on them, everything seems faster, so theoretically the prime should scream.
just a couple weeks and we'll see.
as to the OP's question, i've played with an ipad2 and owned an ipad1, i feel like with a few tweaks (change the launcher, use a different browser) the prime is just as fast if not faster than the ipad2 for most things even on HC.
iOS def has android beat when it comes to the amount of tablet optimized apps and games though, hopefully android will pick up the pace after ICS helps to unify the phone/tablet fragments. i am quite impressed with the tegra3 optimized games quality and fluidity though.
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
With that said, the TP has been out for about seven months now, and the SIII has only been out for a couple of weeks. The logical progression of things like this is that new top-end devices will always be faster than old top-end devices. The TP hasn't stopped being an excellent device that shines in its own right, but it will be considered an antique in a couple of years.
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Never followed up to say thanks for your opinion. I just wish Asus would put the effort into their hardware as apple does.
Anyway, I love my Prime but rarely use it anymore, now that I have my Galaxy s2, and an i3 Dell laptop to tether to my phone.
Besides my white s2 looks majestic compared to.....whatever they want to call that s3 design
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cragains said:
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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Word!
Also minor changes are made to the interface of Android. Companies should focus on making their devices more unique than powerful. I used to make fun of iphone owners by saying that the interface (which seems to be designed by a 5-year-old) has not changed since the first iphone. But now I guess the same can be said about android phones. If google is not willing to make bold changes, mobile makers should take the first steps and do it.
You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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So... can I say that iOS is crap too because of fake multitasking, lack of homescreen, ripping off the notification centre, lack of customisability and only dual-core CPU? Similarly, can I also say the iPad is crap because it's overpriced, evolutionary rather than revolutionary jump from iPad 2 to iPad 3, only a 5MP camera, heavier than the Prime, thicker than the Prime, no 600nit display, no official keyboard dock, no storage expansion options and overpriced accessories?
Really? We have to revert back to another ipad vs. Transfner Prime thread? I thought these silly arguments were over with.
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I was going to write a long post about how the prime is over a doubling period old and its still one of the top contenders but i realized its useless.
Why complain that a device thats over 6 months old isnt the best on the market? Especially when it was overrated and still has lots of problems
Also consider samsung's reputation in making high end devices. Their quad core tablet will, i expect, out perform the prime or the 700 with ease, mind you without the fancy accessories.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother...
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Here's a direct link to the forum with fotos http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056677034 . How they can claim it's a fault of the carmount and heater I don't know, must be very heat sensitive.
Looks like it fried near where the 3g/4g antennas are, perhaps a poor connection? Aparently samsung took the phone for testing, will be watching this topic closely since im interested in geting a SGS3 when the prices come down.
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The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Snapdragon S2 and S3 use the Scorpion core, which takes some of the best features of both Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 ARM core designs and brings them into a single ARM core....
Snapdragon S4 uses the Krait core, which takes the best features of the Cortex-A9 and the Cortex-A15 ARM core designs with a much better manufacturing process to produce smaller chips that are far more power efficient and deliver amazing amounts of performance compared to its competitors (which are Cortex-A9 based). This is why dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices can go toe to toe with the quad-core Tegra 3 and Exynos 4 on the CPU front.
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This is a quote from http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/ . It kind of stings a little to see the dual core s4 beating my Prime in benchmarks with half the cores, but that is technology and I'm still happy with my prime.
As far as comparing the speed of the S2 to the S3, the S3 should be a very noticeable difference. A15 is much better than A9 AND Qualcomm has a license to develop their own ARM CPU cores. Also, the S2 will have half the RAM of the S3. I don't feel like that is "slightly less"
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
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Really? Tell me more about it, I'm using Transformer Prime and Galaxy S3 international version.
fordwolden said:
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
It doesn't matter what scores benchmarking apps like Antutu shows, my Prime scores a 13k while my S3 scores 11.9k. It's more to being able to do what it's suppose to do, not crashing and more Force Crashes or having Severe lag while transfering files within the system.
S3 didn't kill the TF201, ASUS just failed to deliver what TF201 is meant to be.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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I don't think I can really draw a comparison between these two at all. It's different then apples and oranges, it's like an avocado and a rump roast.
The exploding GS3 doesn't tell me much, it's an extreme case and I don't know what other variables are thrown in the mix. Regardless of benchmark scores, I'm very happy with my prime. Is the quality better than that of the ipad? No, not at all in my opinion. But I didn't buy it to compare to my ipad, I bought it to play with and I have A LOT of fun with it building and modding and tweaking.
I remember when I first saw this video presentation and how excited it made me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZsS-C6f2Q
I also remember seeing this video which sold me on the Tegra 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thwgwQMXR84&feature=relmfu
At the time when I watched these video I my only Android device was the Samsung Vibrant with its single core. Battery life on that phone was ok at best but I couldn't play certain games because framerates were slow or things got chuggy depending on the game or app. I love live wallpapers and I couldn't use them much because they'd slow my phone down bigtime. So you can only imagine my excitement for the Transformer Prime.
So now its been a few months since I've had the Prime (which is rooted and running a stable custom rom) and yes it does handle things better than my old Vibrant phone. However, my Prime still stutters when scrolling from screen to screen, chugs sometimes when I load certain apps and run some live wallpapers. I honestly thought a quadcore processor would have solved all of that.
What I find more puzzling is that I just upgraded to the Galaxy S3 and bought the The Amazing Spiderman game. Why is it that my phone runs The Amazing Spiderman better than my Prime?? Silky smooth on my GS3 which is a dual-core but stuttery on my Prime with a quad-core. If anything I expected my Prime to outperform the GS3 but no. Did I miss something here???
Most probably tested and optimized on the gs3 cuz it sells very well. Secondly gameloft is terrible when it come to coding on android
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I remember when I first saw this video presentation and how excited it made me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dZsS-C6f2Q
I also remember seeing this video which sold me on the Tegra 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thwgwQMXR84&feature=relmfu
At the time when I watched these video I my only Android device was the Samsung Vibrant with its single core. Battery life on that phone was ok at best but I couldn't play certain games because framerates were slow or things got chuggy depending on the game or app. I love live wallpapers and I couldn't use them much because they'd slow my phone down bigtime. So you can only imagine my excitement for the Transformer Prime.
So now its been a few months since I've had the Prime (which is rooted and running a stable custom rom) and yes it does handle things better than my old Vibrant phone. However, my Prime still stutters when scrolling from screen to screen, chugs sometimes when I load certain apps and run some live wallpapers. I honestly thought a quadcore processor would have solved all of that.
What I find more puzzling is that I just upgraded to the Galaxy S3 and bought the The Amazing Spiderman game. Why is it that my phone runs The Amazing Spiderman better than my Prime?? Silky smooth on my GS3 which is a dual-core but stuttery on my Prime with a quad-core. If anything I expected my Prime to outperform the GS3 but no. Did I miss something here???
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Be careful these guys will run you clear out of here if you down the prime & put anything over it. I felt the same way you felt & got sick of it & sold mine 3 weeks ago...&'got something 10x better than the prime...good luck.
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Be careful these guys will run you clear out of here if you down the prime & put anything over it. I felt the same way you felt & got sick of it & sold mine 3 weeks ago...&'got something 10x better than the prime...good luck.
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Ipad by any chance? I don't like Apple gadgets, but would buy even the original ipad ten times before buying this Prime. As far as being "run out of town" for putting the Prime down, I'm not here to make friends or seek anyone's approval. I am here to learn, to improve my device, and to give my opinion when I feel that it's warranted. Asus released a device that should have never been released in it's current state, and had the nerve to charge a premium price for a device that doesn't even perform up to par with my old original Evo. And we are all idiots for buying it. Hats off to this community of devs, who were able to squeeze every ounce of performance out of this device with no help from Asus. I realize that there is only so much we can do, but as usual, the community comes through and finds workarounds for the problems that the manufacturer causes. My Samsung Galaxy S II is a beautiful device, and while it goes without saying that I will never buy another Asus device again, I would go as far as to say that I will never buy another Android device that is not made by Samsung.
The S3 is quad core and my prime does not lag at all. If we can fix the memory bottleneck then it will be hard to beat.
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Most probably tested and optimized on the gs3 cuz it sells very well. Secondly gameloft is terrible when it come to coding on android
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No, it is not optimized for GS3. Simply because there are multiple version of GS3.... one with exyno quad-core(international version), one with S4 krait dual-core(US version)... and so forth. If you think Gameloft is terrible at coding for android... you can pretty much say the same for basically all android game devs.
Yeah basically, although equipped with a quadcore processor it really operates and feels more like what I would have expected a dual core to feel like. Yet my GS3 (T-mobile) with its dual-core operates much more fluently than my Prime does. What surprised me is that my phone handles things with ease that my Prime sometimes chugs at. Not saying that Prime sucks because it does't and for the most part I'm satisfied with it. I'm just a little underwhelmed with its performance. There's no reason my Prime should stutter or chug at certain things. Playing The Amazing Spiderman on the Prime is little disappointing......thank God for my GS3 I guess.
Lemme explain gameloft makes games for android and most android phones run qualcom CPUs and gpus. So qualcom devices have better gaming just because most devs know that most phones use qualcom snapdragon s3 or s4. Tegra on the other hand is tablet only for most part and theres like couple million tablets on the market comparedto the hundred million phones or so. Which do you think would het the priority in development first?
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Big problem is the scheduling I/O and this has been discussed. Not sure if the new JB kernel will fix the problems but if you can take it back for free upgrade to an Infinity or wait for something better/more stable. I love my Prime and it's not a primary gaming device for me (have my ps3, xbox, and PC for that) so I don't notice it at all.
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No, it is not optimized for GS3. Simply because there are multiple version of GS3.... one with exyno quad-core(international version), one with S4 krait dual-core(US version)... and so forth. If you think Gameloft is terrible at coding for android... you can pretty much say the same for basically all android game devs.
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There games are absurdly huge and many gameloft games play better on my 4 year old iPod touch than my gs2 so ya I think they're terrible at coding.
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Ya even my gs2 skyrocket with only an snapdragon s3 (not even exynos) can outperform the prime in many things I was very dissapoinyed with much of the performance, especially with the browser which my skyrocket is amazing at, usual for Samsung. But I think jellybean will improve the performance a lot
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