We are starting a new thread as we enter a new phase of development.
We are beyond confident @ this point that we are where we need to be. We are now working on new init.rc and init.mapphone_cdma.rc that will be able to boot a cm7 atrix nightly.
As of now we only have aceoyame working on these and wish to solicit ideas from those who may be more experienced or who have a keen eye for the obvious.
We will be test flashing this first run shortly. Lets keep this thread clean. We are expecting only comments relating to the new .rc's or pointing out obvious shortcomings of our method.
Expect a test flash to be posted here shortly so others can try along.
So without further ado... here are the initial versions of the inits as modified by aceoyame..
init.mapphone_cdma.rc http://pastebin.com/N3CFNrBX
init.rc http://pastebin.com/KdpL6eKC
Help and comments are welcome...
If you apprecieate our work please hit THANKS on the appropriate post to let us know you guys care and to keep the thread un-cluttered. So far with the other threads it seems we only have about 20 or so users who are looking forward to this.
There is an excellent thread here.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372293 started by ashclepdia that can be used for speculation, thanks, etc...
Thanks again to the many users here for helping during the sbf flashing phase.. we may need your help again soon.
And last but not least thanks again to dragonzkiller for taking the time from his busy schedule to get us past the last hurtle.
So fu$king excited! Thanks guys!
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While reading init.mapphone_cdma.rc i noticed like 3 mount points referencing yaffs2. From what I understood, yaffs2 isn't supported by the X2. That was the only glaring thing I saw so far.
Keep up the great work
Edit: Everyone, Please lets keep on topic. If you have any questions or you want to say thanks please use this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372293
We need to keep this topic clean for the sake of development.
Thanks
can someone explain whats this for and what it does?
Does it improve something?
Makes my phone faster?
Last longer?
Took better photo and video?
Better sound quality?
Tnx
raclimja said:
can someone explain whats this for and what it does?
Does it improve something?
Makes my phone faster?
Last longer?
Took better photo and video?
Better sound quality?
Tnx
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Well in an EXTREMELY broad overview, all this work that these fine gentleman are doing will take the lid off the jar of the x2. And when they are finished we will finally be able to port over miui and cm7 and many other roms for the x2. I super excited for miui... love u ace
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Well in an EXTREMELY broad overview, all this work that these fine gentleman are doing will take the lid off the jar of the x2. And when they are finished we will finally be able to port over miui and cm7 and many other roms for the x2. I super excited for miui... love u ace
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STATUS UPDATE
Well after numerous tries with variations on those inits we still have no sucessfull boot. Gonna try again tomorrow with some new inits.
Gonna keep @ this till we get somewhere..
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Put the phone down and back away! Haha I'm extremely excited about this I'm desiring to see a cyan droid spinning on my boot screen I only wish I knew more so I could be of some help top make this happen like yesterday. Im very thankful to all that are making this happen this forum will explode once this comes out LIKE BOOM
To the ones who like to clutter the thread (over half of this thread isn't relevant) and you know who you are please just only hit the thanks button. Even the OP has a link for people who can't stay on topic. This is necessary
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This is me asking for all of the x2 devs to pitch in and help with CM now that we have 2nd init going. The thing holding us back atm is our init scripts, the one were using bombs out shortly before boot animation (before adb runs) any help would be awesome!
Do you have link to CM7 including 2nd init you are testing with?
I want to push it into my phone when I get a chance this weekend and see whether I can help.
Thanks.
Well its a new day.. and i begin my holliday break.. Gonna spend a good bit of it working on this. I have some new approaches I am going to try today. Hopfully we can get some good information from the upcoming tests.
Do you have link to CM7 including 2nd init you are testing with?
I want to push it into my phone when I get a chance this weekend and see whether I can help.
Thanks.
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We intend to release a testing package shortly, once it is logging some sort of usefull data for us. In its current conditions it is not very informative. Rather then spending time getting people up to speed on it.. i am gonna try to get it to a point that it is more useful and self explanatory.
Ideally someone with more experience booting on second init devices will come along and give us a nudge to speed things up
In the meantime i have re-written our hijack to work along side our current X2 bootstap so that will save us some sbf time.
Hang in there.. We are getting close. Thanks for everyones support.
Probably should've posted this earlier, but I have a fairly powerful system. I could compile for you guys.
(I'd need to know what to install, since I haven't compiled a ROM before)
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mastafunk said:
Well its a new day.. and i begin my holliday break.. Gonna spend a good bit of it working on this. I have some new approaches I am going to try today. Hopfully we can get some good information from the upcoming tests.
We intend to release a testing package shortly, once it is logging some sort of usefull data for us. In its current conditions it is not very informative. Rather then spending time getting people up to speed on it.. i am gonna try to get it to a point that it is more useful and self explanatory.
Ideally someone with more experience booting on second init devices will come along and give us a nudge to speed things up
In the meantime i have re-written our hijack to work along side our current X2 bootstap so that will save us some sbf time.
Hang in there.. We are getting close. Thanks for everyones support.
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So I take it the script I sent you over helped a lot? It's good to see that! If you're guys' init script works I can patch them into an actual CM7 build for the X2 (So that we can have a device config, and eventually nightlies for it).
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Probably should've posted this earlier, but I have a fairly powerful system. I could compile for you guys.
(I'd need to know what to install, since I haven't compiled a ROM before)
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Don't worry about trying to compile anything yet. For a few reasons:
They're only patching an ATRIX build, not compiling yet
We don't have a full device setup for the X2 (i'm working on that now)
My computer is more than powerful enough to start releasing office DX2-Dev-Team betas from the repo, so don't worry about compiling yet
I will be on irc @ #X2-AOSP all night for the specific discussion of this thread.
So after a late night in IRC we managed to past 1 of the 2 hurdles we were trying to solve. Thanks to all that helped.
We were able to get some logcat action going!!
One more hurdle to pass and we are going to be VERY CLOSE.
Thanks again for those that were up late night working on this..
Which hurdle?
Tapped from my tweaked out DX2
Which hurdle?
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We were able to get some logcat action going!!
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Duh moment lol,
Tapped from my tweaked out DX2
is this the lockboot loader you guys are trying to crack?
If so, would this allow people to install or port ics? or copy the fix for blue tint on camera on droid 3?
Tnx
Related
Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
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im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
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if you notice i did not flame you... I could have, but i respect you as a xda member... I just said this was unnecessary, because it is. Like namebrandon said, join the irc channel, but starting a topic like that, then just saying some nonsense, really doesnt need to be done... Your a senior member, we need to be a good influence for the new people. Like i said, i've seen you help out and i respect that; but lets try to keep the Android Development to Android Development. If it's something like this atleast file it in general.
namebrandon said:
If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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I'm one of those people... First kernel i've ever compiled.
and/or you could harass samsung for the kernel signing keys, no coding ability required.
Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
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Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
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really?
you have the signing key for the kernel?
signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
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my bad.
I was misinformed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796171
ksizzle9 said:
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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it's wasup_with_u_man....DAMNIT!!!
Yes jt1134, but as your post says, no customer kernel.
Sent from your mom's house via my fascinate.
Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
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All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
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Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
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See, now THATS funny.
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I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
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Lol, I had it so bad on my N1 I would test every fourth nightly CM release with four different kernels for performance and battery. I think I had about 200 advanced quadrant screenshots to delete.
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hey there everybody!!! Real proud owner of the Photon and while I really like it alot I would love to see some CM7 action on this beast. Just wondering if anybody else would be interested in have CM7? Perhaps if we show the devs that there is a nice size group of peeps interested maybe they will start on it if they haven't already.
Hit the poll up and let's see what kind of results we get. Let's try to encourage the devs to do it!!!
Edit: looks like there is at least one dev that I can see who is starting work on porting CM7 to the Photon. Let's give him all the support we can and let him know we appreciate him for his work!!
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hey there everybody!!! Real proud owner of the Photon and while I really like it alot I would love to see some CM7 action on this beast. Just wondering if anybody else would be interested in have CM7? Perhaps if we show the devs that there is a nice size group of peeps interested maybe they will start on it if they haven't already.
Hit the poll up and let's see what kind of results we get. Let's try to encourage the devs to do it!!!
Edit: looks like there is at least one dev that I can see who is starting work on porting CM7 to the Photon. Let's give him all the support we can and let him know we appreciate him for his work!!
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Would love to see this, especially now that they fixed the 4g issue I believe on the Atrix. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Either way it would definitely be sweet, can't imagine how fast it would be. Good thread, seems to be picking up around here, nice to see!
-DJ
No interest at all. Cyanogen is a beast and his crew does great work, but this phone is close to perfect or of the box for me.
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No interest at all. Cyanogen is a beast and his crew does great work, but this phone is close to perfect or of the box for me.
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Sent from my MoPho...
Yes whoever is responsible for it, just talk to the Atrix guys. Its very very similar. With a few changes the current prebeta3 of the atrix would probalby boot on our photon
whoever is working on it officially let me know so i donate
Would love to see cm7 run on this beast of a phone. 100% stock android is always my first choice. But don't get me wrong the stock photon UI isn't to bad =]
I wana CM7
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Are you kidding? CM7 ftw!
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Stock photon isn't bad, but I still feel it has a lot going on running in the background I can do without, im just afraid of deleting something that's tied into the framework. ASOP would scream on this phone.
Who is the dev? And I have talked to 4 devs from the miui forums and a few cm7 devs from xda and it seems the only thing thats holding them back from getting the photon is $$$ many are college students stretching the little they have for food. So I can say this, if we could some how start a bounty with a goal large enough to purchase a few phones for those that are willing to port miui/cm7/sense to this beast...endless development would be on the horizon.
jbuggydroid said:
hey there everybody!!! Real proud owner of the Photon and while I really like it alot I would love to see some CM7 action on this beast. Just wondering if anybody else would be interested in have CM7? Perhaps if we show the devs that there is a nice size group of peeps interested maybe they will start on it if they haven't already.
Hit the poll up and let's see what kind of results we get. Let's try to encourage the devs to do it!!!
Edit: looks like there is at least one dev that I can see who is starting work on porting CM7 to the Photon. Let's give him all the support we can and let him know we appreciate him for his work!!
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There's one thing that would make it perfect -- a tweak to the behavior of ScrollView so it always scrolls/pans the contents some whole multiple of two pixels. This would effectively solve the blur/shimmer problem caused by the RGBW PenTile display.
Scrolling NOW causes black text on white backgrounds to shimmer when it moves by one pixel because it's oscillating between getting rendered by 1 (W) and 3 (RGB) subpixels. If you snap to even offsets, you'll ensure that a pixel that starts out being rendered by a RGB triad is still rendered by a RGB triad after moving, and a pixel that starts out being rendered by a bWr triad is still rendered by a bWr triad after moving. Scrolling will be a tiny bit less smooth, but at least then the text won't shimmer and blur.
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Who is the dev? And I have talked to 4 devs from the miui forums and a few cm7 devs from xda and it seems the only thing thats holding them back from getting the photon is $$$ many are college students stretching the little they have for food. So I can say this, if we could some how start a bounty with a goal large enough to purchase a few phones for those that are willing to port miui/cm7/o this beast...endless development would be on the horizon.
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Mrinehart93 just bought the phone on sept 4th and he plans on porting cm7.
Definitely
Custodian said:
Who is the dev? And I have talked to 4 devs from the miui forums and a few cm7 devs from xda and it seems the only thing thats holding them back from getting the photon is $$$ many are college students stretching the little they have for food. So I can say this, if we could some how start a bounty with a goal large enough to purchase a few phones for those that are willing to port miui/cm7/sense to this beast...endless development would be on the horizon.
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I'd most definitely pay some someone for there hard work + 1 for a bounty look what it's done for the touchpad
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If any dev wants they can ask the gentle man turl here:
http://modmymobile.com/forums/661-m...7-exp-cyanogenmod-7-1-atrix-pre-beta-4-a.html
he said with a photon kernel and simple changes the CM7 for atrix should boot on Photon. Its very stable.
i know nothing about modding unfortunately, but he said:
'Anyway, it will need a bit of tweaking to get it started, like actually using a photon kernel and renaming the init file.'
'To boot it on a photon and be able to use sensors, ril, etc you will need to use a kernel built for photon. You can build one with the source code provided by Motorola.'
Can someone take a look into this, i feel we can have some CM7 build running quickly if someone comitts, the best i can do is form a bounty or donate, and im ready to do that to whoever leads this ship
porting cm7 is easy, takes files from one repo and git them in another repo....
but seriously guys if it was so easy as taking the atrix rom and mixing it with th ephoton kernel and 99.9% of everything worked out of the box, dont you think it would have been done? wimax, gps, mms, sms, voice, data, etc etc is all going to be controlled by the radio and as such even if the atrix cm7 got EVERYTHING else working, chances are most of you bought the photon to use/have one of the six things i just listed
I wouldn't mind seeing CM7 as long as I can use WiMax. I'm assuming Cyanogen would give us slightly better battery life since it doesn't have any Moto dependencies working in the background.
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i know nothing about modding unfortunately, but he said:
'Anyway, it will need a bit of tweaking to get it started, like actually using a photon kernel and renaming the init file.'
'To boot it on a photon and be able to use sensors, ril, etc you will need to use a kernel built for photon. You can build one with the source code provided by Motorola.'
Can someone take a look into this, i feel we can have some CM7 build running quickly if someone comitts, the best i can do is form a bounty or donate, and im ready to do that to whoever leads this ship
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I started compiling it today.
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I wouldn't mind seeing CM7 as long as I can use WiMax. I'm assuming Cyanogen would give us slightly better battery life since it doesn't have any Moto dependencies working in the background.
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here is the problem with that, the evo had the first use of wimax and when they tried to get it in cyanogenmod they had to struggle for a long time (also offer a huge bounty). samsung phones, the epic and the nexus both have wimax in cm7 working flawlessly.. due to teh nexus being aosp. now here is motos first crack with wimax.. depending on how they did it,,, we may never see cyanogenmod with wimax
Hey Guys,
I am going to get start on making a Rom for this thing and just would like to know if any could help with test of the rom or Kernel development. But mainly Testing.
You must have a good understanding on flashing and use of the device..
Please no "NOOBs" no offense but at this staging i'm not look to tell someone every single thing to do but I dont mind helping you understand what you don't know.
If you would like to help me get this out to everyone send me an email at [email protected] or pm me.
Thanks for every that responded to my request.. I Have some testers now and well have something out soon hopefully if all goes well..
Thank you
ACS Prime...... sweet
Ill test when needed..... Love your work........ E4GT user here
ilostmypistons said:
ACS Prime...... sweet
Ill test when needed..... Love your work........ E4GT user here
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Thanks man just waiting on the official build of ICS to update that leak is horrible I barely get 5 hours out of my battery
and send an email because ill forget to check here
I still use SyndicateRom Frozen on my Epic 4G. Best ROM I've ever used, can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the Prime!
I would test depending on what exactly the rom is gonna be. If it is just themed/tweaked a bit i'll have to pass. If it is actual development i would JUMP at the chance to help you out! I have owned over 20 android devices so experience is not a problem.
Im in I have beta tested on the original Transformer and several other android phones, would love to help as I dont know how to program and would like to give back to the community!!!!!
I'm in for testing, I have a flashing addiction, and am always looking for the latest and greatest.
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I would test depending on what exactly the rom is gonna be. If it is just themed/tweaked a bit i'll have to pass. If it is actual development i would JUMP at the chance to help you out! I have owned over 20 android devices so experience is not a problem.
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not sure what you mean but if your taking about an AOSP then no... just tweaks and mods.. i dont have to set up at work for that
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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bricky23 said:
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
Question Above
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Question Above
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In some time wil be
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Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
Velcis Ribeiro said:
Depends of the guys, i really appreciate the work of developers, but in 1 month, i see like 4 or 5 updates, with annoying updates like, NEW KEYBOARD, CHANGED BUILD.PROP and others, but nothing with NEW KERNEL, if possible get 3 or 4 developers to do 1 thing!! Or Stable kernel only in 2014 :/
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A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
I heard that the devs working on porting the XOOM kernel have progressed. Hopefully in due time...
It will, it's under development.
upndwn4par said:
A few questions:
There are not many devs left here. Do you think it is a good idea criticize our work like that?
Are you saying you don't want any updates unless it is a new kernel?
Have you considered trying to build a kernel yourself instead of complaining?
Just asking.....
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Im not criticating man, i really appreciate your work, you win my 10+ repp i only said that these updates dont be affect anything that the guys test. Because, i see much guys from here, and from other forums, that trying ICS several weeks because it have a new update, did you understand? hehe
Dont think wrong about my answr ;P
What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
ravilov said:
What exactly is the point of threads like this? People around here are getting just too good at nothing but whining and complaining. FYI, opening a thread like this is exactly the same thing as asking for ETAs, and I really hope everyone knows you NEVER ask for ETAs here. Instead of littering the forum with useless whiny adn wallowy threads like this, you could have helped the development efforts yourself. But no, people would rather just sit around idly and complain and whihe.
If you want a stable and fully functional ICS/JB right away, get a different device. If you want it in some undefined time, have patience, be supportive and QUIT ASKING. Better yet, instead of just waiting, take initiative and MAKE IT HAPPEN YOURSELF.
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jhonnyx said:
Hey Guys, I've reported this thread. I've got fed up with threads like these. Only asking for ETAs, growing up a bad mood... not throwing good vibes at all. We need patience, not ETAs. If you need a kernel so bad, then you've gotta have patience. That'll do the trick
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wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
1) New Keyboard -- Because people wanted to try the new keyboard with 'Swype'-like features.
2) build.prop edits -- Because different people are having different issues with the ICS roms. Devs are pretty much taking stabs in the dark to see which combination helps which device. (tegra part?)
3) Xoom Kernel Port -- Is compiled, but will be a while before everyone can test it and/or have a stable release (source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1941654)
As for your original question, there's a strong possibility we might, but don't expect it anytime soon. If it was that easy, Motorola would have done it at the same time they did it for Xoom. Remember, developers might also upgrade to newer devices. Would seem pointless to develop for a device--that even the manufacturer abandoned, when you have a shiny new device.
The current "team" of developers ARE working "together". In my experience, it's hard to collaborate on something with another person remotely, but they seem to be managing it. Going by the thread, there are at least 2 active developers. Might be others who aren't updating in the thread, but are simply contributing by email and/or other ways?
This thread may or may not be pointless. I think if it gets closed at this point, it might help someone trying to find a simple answer without going through 1000's of posts in the development section.
barry_ said:
wow, you've reported this thread?! all the guy was asking was how things are progressing. After the initial excitement of the ics leak there hasn't been anything of very much. He said he appreciated the work of the people who put the time and effort into trying to keep our phone as current as possible. Who do you think you are Ravilov labeling someone as whiny and wallowing (although just what you think the poster is wallowing in is beyond me - he asked a simple question). As for your pathetic 'no one asks for eta's' comment... I can only assume you've been spending too much time here.
Thankfully, the question was answered bu Syl and takemeouttt.
This is a forum, where people ask questions and, hopefully, get civil and informative answers.
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Maybe i've should answered this:
See the proper thread in the forum. Hint: search button.
Now thats an appropiate response to the question in the 1st post.
How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
toyota86 said:
How long more do ppl keep their atrix?
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I bought an atrix 2 weeks ago, i'm waiting to the delivery from China, so i think i would keep it for a year
I think that the community is simply misguided.
There is not a single post which clearly explains that we hit a brick wall regarding battery life.
Not knowing that, it IS frustrating to see a "new update!!" as the title of the ROM post and find only minor graphical changes inside.
There is a simple way to solve that, we need a sticky with an explanation regarding the entire Atrix ICS issue.
It should have a brief explanation that the ICS and JB roms that we have now are incomplete and generally suffer from graphical issues due to the old kernel constrains and even though we have a leaked version of the original ICS kernel, it is only barely functional and in most cases far from being a daily driver.
It will save a LOT of browsing (for me at least) since I check almost daily on the progress in the development section and it is quite a hassle to browse through all the latest comments for a clue of any changes or new ideas of how to make the rom work better and it will inform all those that don't bother checking and simply end up disappointed in the new changes.
Creating such a post is easy and I can do so if you'll approve of my idea, but the major point is to make it sticky and up to date, even if the update is simply updating the title just to show that no progress regarding kernel development/ ICS implementation for the Atrix was made.
I have no problems updating it either.
I adore the dev community here and all of you guys.
It's nice to see optimism where other developers and testers would just give up.
I love you guys and keep up the nice job. :highfive:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
mixlis said:
Why we just can't delete everything and add the rom from galaxy r
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I think epinter tried taking the kernel from either the galaxy r and other similar phones and came out with the same issues as we get with the leaked kernel.
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Tough to say if it will ever happen, but at least there are a few people still interested enough to try. Seems the current best hope is this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2016837
All the top devs are working on the kernel plz support them by donating something try reading QandA section
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Does anyone know whats the most stable ICS/JB rom here? Need one with good battery life, & hwaccell...