I am wondering given that this device just got honeycomb.. is there any chance of it getting ICS?
Part of the reason I'm wondering is because I am getting my flyer sometime between the 10th and the 17th coming up according to the "estimated delivery date" when I hit buy.
I have had ICS on my captivate before I ever even got to play with Honeycomb.. my mom got the transformer yesterday.. and there are a few minor quirks with honeycomb that I really don't like.. major example being if you pull up the task manager in ICS you can remove windows and close out the programs.. Honeycomb will pull up windows that aren't open.. and it gets cluttered fast if your done with something and seeing 5 or more windows you don't want open, but can't get rid of..
no sign of ICS anytime soon but maybe if kernel source is released and CM9 development someone will port it here. In regards to the task management, yes it can get cluttered but it is better than not having it at all like gingerbread
I'm hoping they'll have the decency to update us or at least release the source code required...
IANAL, but I believe HTC legally has to release the kernel source for anything it releases. If they never release ICS, we may never get a kernel for ICS.
Honeycomb kernel might work, but I'm not sure if HTC is legally required to release honeycomb kernel source.
As far as I am aware, they did/may have use some proprietary software which would screw up our porting efforts.
So it becomes an issue of "will they" and that is what I am wondering.
Personally I don't think we will ever see ICS on the Flyer. Here are my reasons:
1. Not a lot of Flyers were sold so there is not a large user base. Thus, there is not much developer interest.
2. Sense - From what I understand from what developers have said, the kernels that HTC makes are made to work with Sense and will not work with an AOSP build.
These two things combine to make bringing ICS to the Flyer difficult and there is no one around who appears willing to do it.
I really hope that I am wrong about this but I don't think that I am.
Someone want to educate a noob?
How is it that several other devices (including HTC ones, like the Sensation) are getting ICS ports, but the Flyer/View can't? I mean, it seems unlikely that HTC released AOSP kernel sources for other devices, and even if they did, they're certainly not ICS kernels. Why is it so important for us to have an AOSP kernel (and an ICS one, at that) from HTC in order to get CM on the Flyer/View?
Oh, and then there's devices that didn't even have Android like the TouchPad, and devices that don't have their source code released, like the Kindle Fire.
I'm definitely not a developer, so I'm sure there's something I'm missing...I'm just trying to figure out what it is.
I'm repeating what developers told me or wrote here. I don't know if it is right or wrong.
I think the bottom line is that it is easier to have an AOSP kernel.
I think you can build your own kernel but that is much more work and maybe a hard thing to do.
All of the custom ROMs that we have seen for the Flyer are just modified HTC ROMs that come with certain software preinstalled or other kinds of enhancements.
More popular devices have much more developer interest. I would imagine that some less popular device owners get lucky because some developer also owns the device and is willing to spend the time.
So far, one developer said he would try to bring ICS to Flyer. He tried but gave up because of kernel issues. I don't get the impression that he did too much but at least he gave it a go. No other developer has said anything one way or the other.
I'm not holding my breath..
but, I definitely won't give up hope just yet..
The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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Makes sense to me.
Shame this device hasn't received more attention.
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The most likely path would be a port of another HTC device that uses the same processor or very similar. SO when some of the other HTC devices are released with ICS around March or so, we might see some goodness, depends on how close the hardware is and if HTC releases some source code.
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This is correct and likely the only way we see ICS in a timely manner.
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He's been debunked several times.
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So I guess the big question as far as an official update goes.. is how much effort would HTC have to put out in order to do the upgrade...
And will it be worth it for them to do so..
I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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Would it be possible to take the pen code from honeycomb and implement it in CM9?
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I guess the pen is the biggest issue prevent the ICS update
Since it only works in Sense ROM, so even we have a perfect CM9, the pen function is wasted
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I'd be content with an AOSP rom now, with the pen worked in later.
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We will see... if any devs are willing, I am sure as heck willing to help and take a crack at it myself..
You can't do AOSP without HTC's help for the kernel and drivers and since HTC only does sense kernels I'm thinking that's not going to happen. I still think a port of an HTC ICS ROM from another device is the most likely path, unless HTC is feeling exceptionally benevolent toward the Flyer. Perhaps the Jetstream tablet will get ICS and that can be ported...
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Sorry, I'm sure this was probably asked before. Is it drivers or just the parts used? I notice HTC devices seem faster to hack up. I'm going to be upgrading my device sometime in the next 6 months and would love a Galaxy S2 but if the same hardships faced with the Vibe will be present again- I think I might go back to HTC. missmysamoled.jpg
Lol. Again, sorry if this has been beaten to death.
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Samsung lol. That's about the most fact-filled short answer you can get. Their releases are horribly late. Vibrant just got 2.2 OTA, CM is at 2.3.3. HTC has been far more supportive of AOSP as well. Samsung......not so much.
I recently moved to Sprint from T-Mobile and as you can see(sig) got me the Evo. I wish I had waited a few months for the 3d but maybe I'll sell the Evo and do my own upgrade when the time comes. I won't say I'll never buy Samsung again but I will be fully aware of what I am getting if I do.
My best answer.
It has to do with HTC phones run with stock Android and so the devs can work with the new source code faster cause they don't have to deal with proprietary or manufacturer's modded source.
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It has to do with HTC phones run with stock Android and so the devs can work with the new source code faster cause they don't have to deal with proprietary or manufacturer's modded source.
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I thought htc used sense
It's because cyanogen team knows what to do with htc phones plus htc releases source codes unlike samsung.
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I thought htc used sense
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You are correct. The only htc phones I know of that are AOSP are the G2 and N1. That's off the top of my head though.
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There are a lot of differences between how HTC and Samsung do things... these guys also started and know HTC a lot more. HTC IS better about releasing source. Heck, Samsung doesn't release everything even when they do (driver source).
All that said though... I really do not understand why someone has not been able to get a solid RC for us. I honestly do not even know who is working on CM7 for the Vibrant, and it's not officially supported...
I know a lot of progress has been made, but the CM7 we have still has a lot of work to do. Just wish those more in the know could really get that ball rolling, instead of using leaks (esp I9000 leaks which have proven to be terrible on our battery).
I don't know enough, but I know people on here do....
Now that I have my view rooted I was hoping honeycomb could be a potential custom rom for it..has anyone any info on this
Well, porting is not that easy. The best place to start would be the Nook Color's Honeycomb port, the screens of the devices are same. Unfortunately, the Flyer is a brickable device, so you can't play around with it being careless. The Nook can boot an sd card, so the Nook is un-brickable. So I would wait. Wait for HTC to update it, Honeycomb is laggy anyways.
So if the flyer is brickable so is the view?....im just looking for an update for the view's current rom maybe a better bluetooth more compatable apps...
Yeah, they are brickable. I'm not a experienced dev like nickberli and i00, and have never cooked a ROM. So I'm afraid to try porting.
Well i hope someone tries ...waiting for sprint to do it would take ages
The code to Honeycomb is not open source, it will be very hard for someone to port it to the Flyer. Since the code to Honeycomb has not been released, it is not like other android releases where people can compile it for devices which the manufacturer has not bothered to make a release for. You will probably never see Honeycomb on the Flyer, IceCream is the Google intended release for devices like the Flyer.
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The code to Honeycomb is not open source, it will be very hard for someone to port it to the Flyer. Since the code to Honeycomb has not been released, it is not like other android releases where people can compile it for devices which the manufacturer has not bothered to make a release for. You will probably never see Honeycomb on the Flyer, IceCream is the Google intended release for devices like the Flyer.
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icecream? we will never see an official version of icecream on the flyer. We'd be lucky if HTC gives us the upgrade to gingerbread 3.0. They've already got out what, 3.2 on the xoom?
Everyone needs to find there share, HTC has to modify it for our device, then they flip it over to sprint and then they modify it add their tweaks in, then they do a testing phase, etc.
I'm starting to assume that HTC and/or sprint is just about to say screw it and not upgrade out device.
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icecream? we will never see an official version of icecream on the flyer. We'd be lucky if HTC gives us the upgrade to gingerbread 3.0. They've already got out what, 3.2 on the xoom?
Everyone needs to find there share, HTC has to modify it for our device, then they flip it over to sprint and then they modify it add their tweaks in, then they do a testing phase, etc.
I'm starting to assume that HTC and/or sprint is just about to say screw it and not upgrade out device.
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Gingerbread is NOT 3.0. The Flyer is too new to be EOLed before ICS.
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Gingerbread is NOT 3.0. The Flyer is too new to be EOLed before ICS.
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correct honeycomb is 3.x.x and gingerbread is 2.x.x
HTC flyer SDK supported both honeycomb and gingerbread. So...
Any idea on how to setup the HTC Flyer SDK on Mac? When I load up device "HTC Flyer" with HTC tab extension as the target, it boots into AOSP Froyo.
Which SDK? Link? Are you referring to the OpenSense SDK? I don't believe that is Flyer specific, so I would not base any conclusions on that.
Couldn't we just port the Puccini version of honeycomb? I realize its difficult to do bc the view is brickable. Just putting it out there.
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Couldn't we just port the Puccini version of honeycomb? I realize its difficult to do bc the view is brickable. Just putting it out there.
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The Puccini is 10" or something with a 1200 x 800 res if I recall. It would take a lot of resizing. Better wait for HTC to do it.
That's not an answer. Who here with some dev knowledge has some insight on this?
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That's not an answer. Who here with some dev knowledge has some insight on this?
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I've got a bad feeling we might never see honeycomb...its been months now and they've been silent about honeycomb...i really think (and hope not) that they've just given up on honeycomb and dedicated all there time to the puccino.
Has there been any leaked files of the puccino yet were we could start porting?
I think Honeycomb is to laggy and not worth putting on this device. Let's wait for ICS...
I'm pretty sure that we get a puccini port running on the flyer
Is there already a leaked version?
Would it be possible to create a ice cream sandwich rom for the Viewsonic G tablet?
I dont think they have released source code, let alone a phone with the OS yet...
Quickly, I'll hold them off while you go hide!
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I dont think they have released source code, let alone a phone with the OS yet...
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try again.. Galaxy Nexus will have ics
They said tonight that the sdk will be released today
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Aaaaaaaand the SDK is out.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html
Thus this is a valid question which I was going to ask myself
Its not a valid question yet. Once the source is released I hope we can see a stable ics room that's better than the hacked together honeycomb we have
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try again.. Galaxy Nexus will have ics
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I know this but the phone has only been announced, it hasnt been released into the wild yet, no one has one in their hands yet
well, except maybe a few reviewers here and there
pretty sure it wont hit shelves or stores for a few more weeks
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Its not a valid question yet. Once the source is released I hope we can see a stable ics room that's better than the hacked together honeycomb we have
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Im not too sure if that will happen, from what im reading the devices that will support ICS are going to be gingerbread devices
If there isnt a gingerbread ROM/kernel it probably wont support ICS
at best it will be as stable as the most stable gingerbread ROM... so not too bad
Im wondering if it will work with the honeycomb kernel the devs are creating from scratch
Theoretically the tablet has the specs to run ICS but its a matter of Google making the source code open source. If it was anything like HC I think we're gonna be out of luck.
My understanding is that Google never intended to make Honeycomb open source in the hopes of avoiding people attempting to put HC on their phones. ICS should be open source, and Google has already stated several times from what i have seen that they intend to make the codes public. I don't see why we wouldn't have a decent ICS rom out in the next month or two.
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At the very least we should probably see a CyanogenMod version, since its an officially adopted Tablet. I'm looking forward to it.
I doubt it. We don't have an official honeycomb rom so I don't see ics being supported at all on gtab... I truly believe development for our gtab is officially dead.
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I doubt it. We don't have an official honeycomb rom so I don't see ics being supported at all on gtab... I truly believe development for our gtab is officially dead.
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Well, considering that HC was never officially released as open source, I don't know why you would expect a full-featured ROM when the best that anyone could do was essentially a modified bootleg of an existing tablet's firmware. There a TON of G-Tablets out there thanks to the Woot sales, so I think it would be silly to assume that just because development has hit a lull for the last few months that it is totally dead. Give it a few months, and I bet we will see a good ICS ROM made available for our G-Tablets.
I highly doubt that the g-tablet is dead. I myself and one of my friends imported one of these just to get our hands on it.
It will only be dead if people believe that we don't want firmware for it. There is plenty people out there that are looking forward to newer firmare, we just quietly wait patiently for the master coders to do their excellent work.
TBH, I can't thank everyone here enough for the hours they put in to their hobbies. Greatly appreciated.
Google has officially stated that they WILL be releasing the source to Ice Cream Sandwich, so it's VERY likely that there eventually be multiple ICS ROMs (including Cyanogenmod) for the G Tablet.
It's out
I just read that Google has released the source code....
ICS Code-Open Source
will we be seeing an ICS Rom for our Viewsonic G-tab now that the source code was released??
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will we be seeing an ICS Rom for our Viewsonic G-tab now that the source code was released??
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This tablet is on life support. ROM development is a small fraction of what it used to be a year ago. Updates are scarce. Be grateful for the value we got out of it over the past year.
The time to move on is fast approaching... and my eye is on the Asus Transformer Prime.
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This tablet is on life support. ROM development is a small fraction of what it used to be a year ago. Updates are scarce. Be grateful for the value we got out of it over the past year.
The time to move on is fast approaching... and my eye is on the Asus Transformer Prime.
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Part of that is to blame on no Honeycomb source, why would devs waste time reverse engineering when they could wait for ICS? Someone will make an ICS ROM, the lull has been to blame on their actually being NOTHING to do on this device with no Honeycomb source.
Now if those Nvidia drivers end up being a pain, it might be another story.
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Part of that is to blame on no Honeycomb source, why would devs waste time reverse engineering when they could wait for ICS? Someone will make an ICS ROM, the lull has been to blame on their actually being NOTHING to do on this device with no Honeycomb source.
Now if those Nvidia drivers end up being a pain, it might be another story.
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You can blame the lack of source code, I think I'll stick with blaming Viewsonic for not pushing at all to get drivers or any type of updates to us on this device. Without Viewsonic or Nvidia providing drivers we're going to be in for a rough ride.
I can't seem to find any threads about ICS for the Tab. I thought with the release of the source there would at least be some threads asking if anyone can build a rom. Is there more that needs to come out before this starts to happen? I know build are already being created for my phone (Incredible). Just surprised I guess. Of course I'm no developer, so maybe there's something I'm missing?
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I can't seem to find any threads about ICS for the Tab. I thought with the release of the source there would at least be some threads asking if anyone can build a rom. Is there more that needs to come out before this starts to happen? I know build are already being created for my phone (Incredible). Just surprised I guess. Of course I'm no developer, so maybe there's something I'm missing?
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I'm not bashing, but for the tab we have "cooks" that work off a template (Stock ROMS). So far, all the ROMS we've had haven't introduced anything new, they've only improved on what has existed. I also realize there was no honeycomb source to work with.
Again, I love what the devs here have done for us thus far. But, I fear we will have no ICS love for the tab until we have an ICS leak straight from Samsung.
I guess that's pretty accurate, it's a shame and kind of odd as they gave out the tab at the developers convention, you'd think it'd be more popular amongst those that know how to do these sorts of things....
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I guess that's pretty accurate, it's a shame and kind of odd as they gave out the tab at the developers convention, you'd think it'd be more popular amongst those that know how to do these sorts of things....
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Nvidia doesn't release their source so the drivers are proprietary. I'm guessing the 3.X drivers aren't 100% compatible with ICS which means, like someone just said, a leak needs to occur before a working build can be developed.
Supposedly ICS is built off the honeycomb framework. However, the honeycomb specific source is not flagged in the ics source. I am sure we will see it sometime soon in alpha, but we're just now leaking out 3.2 so don't expect it as fast as say the nexus s or evo.
XOOM got ICS port right now, with everything working well (except face unlock, but hey...)
does that mean anything for us Flyer/View-owners? is it possible to port it to our tablet?
would love ics on the flyer
EDIT: Link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/highly-functioning-cm9-kang-released-for-the-xoom/
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
My guess is he was asking if there was a way to port it and mod it to work. What we really need to hope for of CM9.x to arrive that will support the Flyer/Evo View.
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what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
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hahha somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you always this negative? haha relax
im not stupid, i know that its a diffrent tablet, but this kinds of ports are being done almost daily.
as this fella mentioned, i was thinking of a mod, to get it to work.
He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
Hopefully the fire sales have pushed HTC to keep going.
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I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
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Reading about ICS on Prime on engadget has made me interested in ICS as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/hands-on-with-ice-cream-sandwich-on-asus-transformer-prime/
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He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
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yeah i know, but since ive seen others with ics, that made me a bit inpaitient
htc sensation got the ics leaked, and maybe someone can start by playing with that one.
and i dont really care if its manilla or sense, both will do good dont think flyer/view will be getting any ICS official soon, since HC just was released.
if i seemed grouchy, it may be because I am a comp sci major with aspirations of being a software engineer. I view the question as either yes or no and then explain the logic why not. No intentions of rudeness, but I tend to assume I'm talking to ppl with similar backgrounds... At least on the net anyway.
Wooow...okey then...my bad! I should know better..
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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1. ICS is built on top of HC so we already have most of the ICS GUI. Google is already moving some of the ICS features into individual apps like the updated Google Search.
2. Radio is always relevant because it controls GPS, Wifi , and BT in addition to 3g.