I have always been a little confused by some people that by and HTC phone. You see it in every HTC phone forum. People by the latest and greatest HTC phone just to get rid of Sense. You know going into buying an HTC phone it has Sense but you don't like it. Why not just wait for the GNEX? I had an ERIS. I understand trying to get every inch of speed out of your phone. This phone doesn't need that. With the Eris I even ran a Sense based ROM because it just seemed to actually be the smoothest thing to run on it. This phone was built for Sense. It just needs to be optimized and tweaked a little. On my ERIS I flashed pretty much every ROM made for that guy. Always went back to Sense. Just felt right. But if I didn't like Sense, I would have never bought this phone. I am just trying to get some feedback from the rest of you guys/girls to get a better understanding of this trend.
Well in my case I got the sensation because it was dual core. Solid screen size and it was out about 6 months before the gs2. I never had much of a problem with sense other than the fact that it's a ram hog. I would imagine people buy HTC products because of the hardware.
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So that you have less programs taking resources from other programs.
HTC makes good hardware. Up until they started being strict about locking the bootloader, you get the phone for the hardware, design (prefer theirs over Samsung), you could buy the phone and put other roms on there that are faster. Nexus phones are good only because of the software, but hardware wise its usually a little behind. So if you could put the same software on better hardware, its a better option.
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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Gary13579 said:
Because HTC has some decent phones, but Sense is an abomination. We want the hardware, but not the ****ty software. It's a pretty simple concept.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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Replace sense with a different launcher and watch how much more battery life and snapper the phone runs and you'll understand too.
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I have run different launchers. I actually did before I my OP. I personally didn't feel like that phone was super "snappier" or that battery changed much. Battery has been more of a screen/radios issue. I have been averaging 16 hours with normal use on the regular battery.
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What do you find an "abomination"/"****ty"? I just find that most people end up running a CM ROM then re-sense it with second had apps or built in features of the launchers they are using.
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I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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Hardware duhh.....are u seriously asking this...cmon
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That's like buying a new car for the the power train only. There is going to be something comparable to the rezound in no time. If you hate HTC's twist on android why support them by buying there phone? Business see numbers, if they are selling their phones like hot cakes they think you pretty much like the overall phone. They are gonna just keep expanding and refining sense.
HTC isn't suddenly going to stop using Sense because I didn't buy their phones (which, btw, I've already stopped doing, samsung > *), and if we think that sense is total **** (which it is), why shouldn't we remove it? We're not paying for the OS, we're paying for the phone.
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Gary13579 said:
I could rant for hours about why I hate Sense. It breaks compatibility, removes features, generally looks completely fugly (not so much now a days but on my Evo 4G, it's terribly ugly), performance issues, battery issues, closed nature is against my GNU ways, severely ****s up contacts (embeds notes into your Google Contacts in the cloud, often times doesn't sync properly etc), spams you about some ****ty HTC Sync option every time I plugin to my PC which is 300% useless as I run Linux on my desktop, and the list goes on and on.
CM7 is overall just a huge improvement. I love not being tied to HTC's garbage, being able to build and tweak my own ROMs *from source*, getting updates for newer versions before 99% of phones have them, etc.
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I understand the whole being able to fully customize to your liking. That's why I am asking, iF you have such a hate for Sense why would you financially support what they are putting out? I also understand your a dev so you love linux and the more pure android experience. Would you buy and iPhone if you like the specs on it? I hate apple products personally, if their specs on somthing was awesome and I could change their OS to my liking I still would not but and apple product!
Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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Hrmm... Let me see if I can figure this out.
Post a message on a developer-centric website.
About an Android Phone.
Wondering why people would want to customize the software to their liking.
I smell Troll.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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It's not only the internal hardware, but the overall quality of HTC phones is great. Compared to Samsung phones, these are much more solid. Also, until this phone, HTC has been extremely friendly for devs. Nobody expected this phone to be locked down for this long.
And don't even start with apples way overpriced locked down phones.
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LOL, sorry for bringing apple into it! I totally agree for the most part HTC makes solid phones. Thats the main reason I buy them also. I have sammy tv's but I have had nothing but problems with their phones.
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I think we can see where you are coming from, but it's really not as simple as you are making it out to be. There are really only a few choices out there, so there might not be one that fits exactly what people want as a whole. So we make do with what we can, like buying an htc phone for the hardware and updating the software to our liking.
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I see that. I just wanted to know why all the hate for sense. If it is so bad, why is their pretty much and app for everything that sense has?
Also I am laid off right now, so I have nothing better to do than start a thread about this. I knew there was going to be a bunch of hate directed blindly towards me for starting this but I honestly want to know why the hatred for sense.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what did!
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Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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I totally understand about customizing your phone. I actually asked why do you hate sense. So far I got I F*ing hate it and it's ****ty. Gary did have some valid points. I prefer a Rom based on the Sense framework with the bloat gone. It can be a pleasant experience. It seems more like a troll to me to not read everything and post what you did!
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Did I use troll right? I don't usually use the little kid, tattle tell, words like noob, or troll.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Your question was why buy a phone that had sense on it, knowing it was there, rather than buying another brand and supporting HTC Financially when you didn't like the software.
For me, I didn't really know if I would like Sense or not. Having not run Sense on an Android phone, I was at least interested to try. I had Sense on an old Win-Mo phone, but had not had a chance to try the latest/greatest.
I suspected that I wouldn't like it (and I don't ... I'm not into social media, and I like to tweak my launcher bar, screen size, etc .. things I can't do with Sense), but this particular phone is still the best you can buy at this moment. Best screen, CPU, etc. While the G-Nex has some appeal, I had hoped this phone would give me the best of all worlds (Try Sense, if I don't like it, unlock, go AOSP, etc.).
My 'dig' at you was simply that on this type of site, in this type of environment, we aren't just 'users'. We are tweakers at a minimum, and some even hav dev skills. So the concept of taking ANY phone and not 'ripping it apart' doesn't fit. If it was a Samsung phone, we'd be trying to get rid of Touchwiz, if it was Motorola, we'd want free of MotoBlur.
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If you have never had a sense phone I could understand trying it. Thanks for posting what you don't like about it too. I am not against switching ROM's customizing to your liking. I am totally for it. Like you said if we are here we are tweakers at minimum. I was more questioning the people the first day it was out wanting s-off to get ride of sense. Then recently the desense utility came out. It just sparked my interest. Who knows when ICS comes out if I will still want sense myself.
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Just check other phone's forum and you'll see how hasn't are dying to port the sense ui on their optimus 3g or their galaxy s2. It's funny but then it's sad looking at this forum and reading people hating the ui. imo I think it's fantastic. And I think other phone model owners think so too.
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Just check other phone's forum and you'll see how hasn't are dying to port the sense ui on their optimus 3g or their galaxy s2. It's funny but then it's sad looking at this forum and reading people hating the ui. imo I think it's fantastic. And I think other phone model owners think so too.
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...what I think is sad are people who get phones with vanilla android trying to port sense, what I think is even more sad is people doing it completely different phones that have barely anything in common. read that as meaning: most **** is broken. and they are willing to put up with that, whereas I can't stand sense and that definitely played into my decision to return it.
To each his own. Something happened, slowly. The consensus used to be originally on the E4G forum that "we" liked AOSP more. Then I'd say a few months in up until a few months ago it was a pretty even split. Now it seems that the vast majority of "us" prefer sense.
<troll>Someone should ask cyanogen to make a sense version</troll>
grass is always greener on the other side
I like most of the Sense UI. In fact, I didn't even change the default weather widget based one. I also like the lock screen dock thing which is cool and saves me some steps.
I *think* the hate comes from two things. One, it is kind of a resource pig. Two, you are forced to use it as opposed to it being an option. Some people just doing like to have things forced on them. At least that's what my dates used to tell me !self-zing!
I must admit now that I have a device capable of running Sense properly, it is much better. With that said, it's still a bloated pig that eats up too much space and resources.
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IMHO i dont like Vanilla very much... Sure its lighter and faster, but why? Its a stripped version of android, looks very bland and boring when using core apps. Sense on the other hand gives it a much needed polish and adds tons of features and much better integration to services. Its not as fast as Vanilla but it offers so much like better integrated contacts and gallery, better copy paste, easy access settings and recent apps in the notification bar, very polished UI and core apps, in a nutshell anything the common user might need and im sure that the devs will close the speed gap when custom roms hit
Just my .02
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The best part of android is if you have a good dev community you can have whatever you want on your phone. Hell I'd try touch wiz for awhile if someone made a good port.
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IMHO i dont like Vanilla very much... Sure its lighter and faster, but why? Its a stripped version of android, looks very bland and boring when using core apps. Sense on the other hand gives it a much needed polish and adds tons of features and much better integration to services. Its not as fast as Vanilla but it offers so much like better integrated contacts and gallery, better copy paste, easy access settings and recent apps in the notification bar, very polished UI and core apps, in a nutshell anything the common user might need and im sure that the devs will close the speed gap when custom roms hit
Just my .02
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I can see that point of view...and I'll admit, it has a few slick features. Mostly contact integration...that's pretty much it. Hold down 'home' in any version of Android to see the recent apps...no need to pull down.
But when I use an OS interface I use it to navigate around to applications. The applications being what I actually want to use. I don't care how sexy the operating system looks, it is a means to an end. I don't use OSX just to play with the dock, I don't use Windows XP just to **** around with Luna... hell, I didn't use DOS just to type 'dir' over and over again. I certainly never used Solaris solely to be tormented by CDE...nor OS/2 for WPS....
To each their own, of course. I'm more of a utilitarian anyway...and something that is slick looking, has superfluous features and a couple handy features that I could still live without is just fine...but when it consumes half of your goddamned ram that is double what it used to be....well...I just can't abide by that.
To me that's like getting a new car that has a fuel tank twice the size of last years model and gets less than half the miles per gallon too. wtf!?
It just offends my sensibilities. Once again, to each their own.
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See you are about to get people in trouble. Lol.
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I am loving Sense 3.0. What I cannot believe though is even after all the version upgrades, they still have a settings button in the launcher and not something that might be useful!
What is even harder to believe is they still won't let us choose what apps we want in our launcher. You would think before they developed any other part of Sense that would be the first thing they addressed.
Maybe Steve Jobs created the launcher for HTC and that is what he wanted in it?
I love sense now. It has wonderful battery life and a pretty UI. If only I could hook the Wii remote to it. That would be hot. I don't care about speed test. It's fast enough.
I'd wish they made it possible to alphabetize shortcuts in folders. I love Sense 3.0!
As far as functionality, Vanilla takes the cake. However, Sense 3.0 isn't bad. In fact, it's quite usable.
As far as look/feel, Sense is beatiful...especially the widgets. I absolutely HATE those bland white menus though. However, AOSP ROMs are theme central (especially MIUI) and can be customized to perfection.
I prefer AOSP ROMs. Not because they contain no Sense, but because they are more customizable and take up less space.
My NS4G came with stock Android (which I prefer), but the dev support is not even a quarter of what the Evo has. That's why I bought an Evo 3D, and that's why I'm going to flash an AOSP ROM on it as soon as perm root is to be had.
So out of pure stubbornness... someone said sense takes up half your ram on your phone now are speaking of ram that your phone has avail for program usage or for storage becuase my phone seems to only be using 200 megs of ram with everything i have running on the phone and still has like 600 megs free for other stuff i never seem to run out of ram so i dont understand where your getting off saying this.... now if i am wrong please point me in the right direction to look and see sense taking up half my ram? also i used to have a HERO and let me tell you sense ran like old crusty dog dookie so it was gone as soon as i got my phone rooted... this phone i am totally happy with sense other than the fact that i cant seem to change some settings i would like to change. But thats to be expected and hopefully devs can add some new settings into this phone to make it more user freindly. but HTC you did a good job i am happy with this phone now unlock the damn thing already =)
Like they say, you never know what you had until its gon or something like dat lol
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I don't terribly mind Sense, but I'm definitely jumping ship for vanilla as soon as it's an option.
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So out of pure stubbornness... someone said sense takes up half your ram on your phone now are speaking of ram that your phone has avail for program usage or for storage becuase my phone seems to only be using 200 megs of ram with everything i have running on the phone and still has like 600 megs free for other stuff i never seem to run out of ram so i dont understand where your getting off saying this.... now if i am wrong please point me in the right direction to look and see sense taking up half my ram? also i used to have a HERO and let me tell you sense ran like old crusty dog dookie so it was gone as soon as i got my phone rooted... this phone i am totally happy with sense other than the fact that i cant seem to change some settings i would like to change. But thats to be expected and hopefully devs can add some new settings into this phone to make it more user freindly. but HTC you did a good job i am happy with this phone now unlock the damn thing already =)
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Coming from a HERO stock e3D is a steller mind blowing experience I'm sure...coming from a highly tuned Evo4G it was 'okay, a little faster' at best. most of the time i didn't even notice a differene...not that there wasn't one, but it wasn't staggering enough to notice.
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false ! lol
sense 3.0 is nice !! now that i can disable most of the bloatware its even faster
I'm enjoying sense 3.0 thus far. I only have 2 gripes. 1- I wish the notification drop down was accessible from the lock screen. I loved widget locker for this reason alone. 2- after opening the app drawer, selecting an app, then hitting home or back when done, I wish it would go back to the home screen rather than back to the app drawer.
HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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HTC Dialer sucks. It will be highly desirable to replace it with aosp ones. There is currently no one working on it. I am surprise.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
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Folks, quit peeing in Binarys cereal... dammit
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Oatmeal. I don't eat cereal. I eat oatmeal.
Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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Quite a few decent dialers out there. There are even a few on XDA....
This one is free on the market and has a presence on XDA with themes as well. It's rated highly.
https://market.android.com/details?id=kz.mek.DialerOne&hl=en
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I like this one better, I tried dialer one, now I use exDialer, its awesome AND themable.
https://market.android.com/details?...251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5tb2Rvb2h1dC5kaWFsZXIiXQ..
currently I have the ICS theme, I'm just loving it
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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I'm not a critic of the original dialer, nor am I a fan.. but the ics theme looked good enough I am giving it a try, thanks for pointing it out, nice find It IS good that it has a contacts replacement, I DO HATE the htc contacts!
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yea with the stock sense dialer its was hard to get to my faves, but this one makes it much easier combining the goodness of snese ui dialer with the goodness of AOSP dialer, and ICS theme looks great.
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Interesting. Glad it surprises you. Why does everyone assume that developing is so easy? I bet I can get you the standard dialer pretty quickly. Use craigslist and post the following:
WANT TO TRADE:
HTC AMAZE 4G for a cheap non-HTC device.
Seriously. I don't understand why people spend so much for a device to want to go for AOSP stuff.
Besides... check the Market. You might find dialer alternatives. Worth a shot.
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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Amen to that ! If you want the AOSP look... get a non HTC device and leave us, HTC and HTC Sense lovers, alone! hehe
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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theoretically what if I like everything about the amaze besides sense UI?... I love the camera, design, build quality, screen, speed, 42mb hsdpa, etc...there are not other phones on t-mobile or other carriers that come close to this phone, or that i like that come AOSP. the only phones with true AOSP are the google flagship phones, and probably G2x and I can't think of other ones.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
No I want the 454 big block blower
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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you're assuming that sense is a 8 cylinder engine and aosp is a 4 cylinder engine. In terms of cars you have the choice of getting a regular mustang which looks the same, can get all the same interior features of the car, but with a different engine...this is not possible with phones...analogy is not the same...I'm not saying I hate or like sense, as I've said before there are parts I like and parts I don't like...but trying to create a compelling argument.
If I wanted an AOSP device on T-mobile, my only choice would be a G2X. I'd rather get the better phone and sacrifice things I don't like about sense than get a older crappy phone like the G2X...all I'm saying is that options are very limited when it comes to AOSP. you cannot make the same analogy for cars.
I myself don't like sense, touchwiz, nor the True AOSP. In my personal opinion, there are a lot of things about sense UI that slow the phone down and also drain the battery, the interface however looks great and has many neat features. Touchwiz is a piece of crap but it is lighter so it doesn't bog down the system as much. I was using CM for the longest time and was very happy. I am not a big fan of True AOSP either, I actually like a modified and more customizable yet light, version of AOSP. In my opinion this is why CM has been so successful. I'm sure xboarder's release will be amazing and make a lot of people happy on this forum. everyone has personal preferences and it's is not fair to say they should have gotten a different phone, since there are no other options...believe me after my nexus one, the nexus s pissed me off, cause it was not a big upgrade...and I waited another year for the next nexus, galaxy nexus, which also didn't impress me. I knew I wanted a good camera on my phone, fast, a better screen, and as you know at first I went with samsung galaxy s II, but hated everything about it. I can happily live with my phone with a 3rd party launcher lockscreen and dialer for the next two years...so I'm not complaining at all.
I understand when people come and complain when the AOSP from xboarder is going to be released, it get's frustrating. But I don't regret this is the decision I made based on the availabe phones on the market and I'm not one bit unhappy about it...doesn't mean I wouldn't be happier with a different rom that is more AOSP like, that is why we have XDA right? so we can have options in terms of roms, kernels, and more control of how we like to customize our phones. That is why we unlocked it and possibly voided warranty.
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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looks is a matter of opinion , besides I usually run 3rd party launchers anyways...with 3rd party lockscreens and 3rd party dialers!!! I just don't like a lot of sense stuff bogging down my system...although this is easily taken care of in Titanium backup, i usually freeze stuff...like i said its not a biggie...everyone has their own preference...I'd rather run 3rd party things on a lighter system, Sense has some great features for me and some that I care not about...again personal preference...I get it you guys are big sense fans , I guess what I'm trying to get at atleast for me I wish I was a developer myself and could make a rom to my own liking lol...things I want from sense and things I don't want...and I'm sure its not as easy as i just described it...People come in to the office and ask to put gold crowns on their perfectly healthy teeth!!! do I agree with it? NO, its retarded and as a doctor i know it can jeopardize the integrity, lifespan and durability of the tooth...Do I still do this for them? yes, its their choice, and I explain everything to them and make them sign papers and make detailed notes about the situation...ultimately everyone has personal opinions about everything...It's not fair to shoot down people's opinions, just respect them...some people love tattooing their body and having lots of piercings, would I do that? NO. would I become friends with someone like that, absolutely...eh enough ranting...to each their own I guess...
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So by that logic, I would like a Ford Mustang Shelby with a 4 cylinder engine because it's better on fuel.
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Ford kinda did that with the SVO in the early 80's
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I think a better analogy is... why would you buy a shelby mustang, only to put a ford fiesta body on it ? Yes, it'll be fast as hell, but it sure won't look like it
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In the auto enthusiast world we call that a "sleeper". Usually it just means a highly modified car that you didn't MAKE look like it is highly modified. Not everyone wants to look like the fast and the furious.. but I think we are getting off topic a bit now.
I kind of understand why someone would want some AOSP goodness.. I replaced the launcher, the dialer, the contacts menu, and I'm happy. Sense is still there, I'll bet you it is still taking up processor, bogging things down, when I don't really like the majority of it. I am all about trying to create a custom look/feel, and AOSP for me would just mean there isn't a lot of extra bling/extras in the background I don't even use.
If I could modify the number of tiles on the stock launcher, theme it and dialer/contacts, change the dock(more buttons), change the screen animations.. then I wouldn't mind the sense part so much
I'm on day #2 of playing with this new phone. So far I'm impressed with:
Camera and camcorder (OMG!!)
Sound (get some nice headphones! Without them it won't sound any different than a pos walkman.)
speed (Quadrant standard has it at the top "Your device ************************ " NICE!")
weight (it's so light!!)
Don't like:
Reading that it might not get Jelly Bean (deal breaker)
Compared to an iPhone, speed and utility are better but stylistically an ugly GUI. IOS still feels more solid to me.
need to find a battery pull solution--one of the main reasons that I didn't get an iPhone.
Don't want to have to root this phone to make it better.
I'd say that about covers it. I have 12 days left to see if I'm going to keep this phone or not as I bought through a special that Radio Shack's having. But yeah, the Jelly Bean thing is a real crusher if it's true. I've read many different opinions on this an nothing concrete. Does anyone have more information on this?
Also, does anyone know how to disable the Gmail app? In my other rooted phones I used to delete it and use Maildroid or the native Android email app--much better.
I really want to keep this phone, the camera's just amazing (for a phone). thoughts?
Thanks.
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I'm on day #2 of playing with this new phone. So far I'm impressed with:
Camera and camcorder (OMG!!)
Sound (get some nice headphones! Without them it won't sound any different than a pos walkman.)
speed (Quadrant standard has it at the top "Your device ************************ " NICE!")
weight (it's so light!!)
Don't like:
Reading that it might not get Jelly Bean (deal breaker)
Compared to an iPhone, speed and utility are better but stylistically an ugly GUI. IOS still feels more solid to me.
need to find a battery pull solution--one of the main reasons that I didn't get an iPhone.
Don't want to have to root this phone to make it better.
I'd say that about covers it. I have 12 days left to see if I'm going to keep this phone or not as I bought through a special that Radio Shack's having. But yeah, the Jelly Bean thing is a real crusher if it's true. I've read many different opinions on this an nothing concrete. Does anyone have more information on this?
Also, does anyone know how to disable the Gmail app? In my other rooted phones I used to delete it and use Maildroid or the native Android email app--much better.
I really want to keep this phone, the camera's just amazing (for a phone). thoughts?
Thanks.
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where did you hear that the LTE won't get jelly bean?
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I'm on day #2 of playing with this new phone. So far I'm impressed with:
Camera and camcorder (OMG!!)
Sound (get some nice headphones! Without them it won't sound any different than a pos walkman.)
speed (Quadrant standard has it at the top "Your device ************************ " NICE!")
weight (it's so light!!)
Don't like:
Reading that it might not get Jelly Bean (deal breaker)
Compared to an iPhone, speed and utility are better but stylistically an ugly GUI. IOS still feels more solid to me.
need to find a battery pull solution--one of the main reasons that I didn't get an iPhone.
Don't want to have to root this phone to make it better.
I'd say that about covers it. I have 12 days left to see if I'm going to keep this phone or not as I bought through a special that Radio Shack's having. But yeah, the Jelly Bean thing is a real crusher if it's true. I've read many different opinions on this an nothing concrete. Does anyone have more information on this?
Also, does anyone know how to disable the Gmail app? In my other rooted phones I used to delete it and use Maildroid or the native Android email app--much better.
I really want to keep this phone, the camera's just amazing (for a phone). thoughts?
Thanks.
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Google made it mandatory for OEMs to support their product for 18 months...the EVO, without a doubt in my mind, will recieve the jellybean update...disable gmail app under apps>all> click gmail and top right button disables it. Or don't sync your google account?
Battery pull is as easy as holding your power button for 10 seconds until it reboots..you're chilling
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I didn't eveN think that ios had a real UI..if you wanna look like ios remove all widgets and just put a bunch of apps on your home screens..the battery thing you will get over..Trust me..and I don't know where u saw we won't get jellybean. I think that's hogwash
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I didn't eveN think that ios had a real UI..if you wanna look like ios remove all widgets and just put a bunch of apps on your home screens..the battery thing you will get over..Trust me..and I don't know where u saw we won't get jellybean. I think that's hogwash
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Yeah the JB thing got me there for a second. Even if HTC decided not to release JB, someone, will release a build for it.
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JB isn't a huge leap like gingerbread to ICS was, even if that were true (which I doubt) that shouldn't deter you from getting this phone.
You prefer the iPhone UI? All you do is scroll through pages of apps. We call that the app drawer. Haha, everything else may be new to you, so I'm guessing you may not be taking advantage of the FAR more interesting UI of Android 4.0. Learn more, and you'll love it.
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I'm on day #2 of playing with this new phone. So far I'm impressed with:
Camera and camcorder (OMG!!)
Sound (get some nice headphones! Without them it won't sound any different than a pos walkman.)
speed (Quadrant standard has it at the top "Your device ************************ " NICE!")
weight (it's so light!!)
Don't like:
Reading that it might not get Jelly Bean (deal breaker)
Compared to an iPhone, speed and utility are better but stylistically an ugly GUI. IOS still feels more solid to me.
need to find a battery pull solution--one of the main reasons that I didn't get an iPhone.
Don't want to have to root this phone to make it better.
I'd say that about covers it. I have 12 days left to see if I'm going to keep this phone or not as I bought through a special that Radio Shack's having. But yeah, the Jelly Bean thing is a real crusher if it's true. I've read many different opinions on this an nothing concrete. Does anyone have more information on this?
Also, does anyone know how to disable the Gmail app? In my other rooted phones I used to delete it and use Maildroid or the native Android email app--much better.
I really want to keep this phone, the camera's just amazing (for a phone). thoughts?
Thanks.
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Indeed the camera and camcorder are spiffy ^^
It will get jelly bean.
Honestly, if you like the iphone gui you can probably just install another launcher or rom like MIUI once/if it gets stable.
The battery pull thing isn't that bad, and if you need to replace the battery with a new one, it is possible but it's a really involved process.
Here's where I can't really comfort you. You will most likely have to root this phone in order to stay happy with it. I thought I didn't need to because the speed and everything was so amazing and overwhelming at first, but I did. I'm not sure how much the OTA helped, but for now I believe you will be forced to root in order to compensate for the devices flaws(Wifi/3g stability & multitasking mainly). Rooting can help alleviate some of this pain and make it a strong daily driver though.
Once you root, you won't notice a large performance boost, mainly because on today's phones and our phone specifically it's powerful enough to handle most tasks already. Battery life won't change much either(I get a fairly solid day easily). Although you'll get a lot more stability out of your phone strangely.
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You prefer the iPhone UI? All you do is scroll through pages of apps. We call that the app drawer. Haha, everything else may be new to you, so I'm guessing you may not be taking advantage of the FAR more interesting UI of Android 4.0. Learn more, and you'll love it.
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I keep trying to tell my gf who has an iPhone 4s the same thing! They are boring as hell...not to mention very outdated... People spend money to upgrade from 4 to 4s for siri and NEVER USE IT...WTF??!! A waste of $200+
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Yea ios to me is a joke..sure the apps are nice and it is super smooth but there is nothing else to it...I get bored with ios within minutes..if.I get tired of my phone I can do a complete overhaul and completely change the look of the UI..if all android had to do is scroll through apps on sure it would be just as responsive..although its getting pretty damn close
lol no official JB on the HTC EVO 4G LTE?? What kind of BS is that? whoever told you that is full of ish.
Yeah… LOL! I thought I'd get flamed for complimenting IOS's GUI.
We're an Apple family (iPhones, iPods, MBPro, Mac Mini) and I'm the only Android user. What I mean by GUI is Apple's approach to simplicity and user fluidity. Those are all things that I liked when I used MIUI on my first EVO. It's not that I like the screens of cloned icons--yeah, that's boring. I just like how smooth everything works on iPhones and iPods--you can't deny it, it's buttery smooth! When designing user interfaces, it's often the little things that matter and Apple really seems to pay attention to that. I don't see the point of widgets, I get what they are but I don't find them useful enough to keep, like MIUI. The PANDORA widget works sometimes and I have to go into the app to remind it to play! LOL.
I'm not bashing Anrdroid or the EVO--I bought another one that I'd really like to keep. But I also appreciate what other manufacturers do. The EVO 4G LTE has fluidity in some ways especially when using Chrome--wow!
I Googled "EVO 4G LTE jelly bean" and found a bunch of posts at other android websites where some users expressed the EVO LTE might now get JB, too many to post.
Ok, thanks all for your replies--and yeah, I'll probably be rooting this phone if I keep it (probably will) just like all the other Androids I've rooted.
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Yeah… LOL! I thought I'd get flamed for complimenting IOS's GUI.
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I'm surprised you weren't, actually. iOS is like the worst curse word around here.
Not sure how you can compare android to ios... I'd rather have my og evo than iPhone5... facepalm... evo lte will see jellybean soon, og evo will see jb...
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Best phone
This phone kicks ass I left sgs2 and def not be looking for back I'm team evo 4g now
Amen to all that especially the ending haha
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I have both now; evo lte and sIII. My impressions so far is that the build quality is vastly superior on the HTC. I also prefer the HTC screen, for its natural look and cleaner whites. The Samsung is much more responsive and virtually lag free. Either one is great.
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Yeah… LOL! I thought I'd get flamed for complimenting IOS's GUI.
We're an Apple family (iPhones, iPods, MBPro, Mac Mini) and I'm the only Android user. What I mean by GUI is Apple's approach to simplicity and user fluidity. Those are all things that I liked when I used MIUI on my first EVO. It's not that I like the screens of cloned icons--yeah, that's boring. I just like how smooth everything works on iPhones and iPods--you can't deny it, it's buttery smooth! When designing user interfaces, it's often the little things that matter and Apple really seems to pay attention to that. I don't see the point of widgets, I get what they are but I don't find them useful enough to keep, like MIUI. The PANDORA widget works sometimes and I have to go into the app to remind it to play! LOL.
I'm not bashing Anrdroid or the EVO--I bought another one that I'd really like to keep. But I also appreciate what other manufacturers do. The EVO 4G LTE has fluidity in some ways especially when using Chrome--wow!
I Googled "EVO 4G LTE jelly bean" and found a bunch of posts at other android websites where some users expressed the EVO LTE might now get JB, too many to post.
Ok, thanks all for your replies--and yeah, I'll probably be rooting this phone if I keep it (probably will) just like all the other Androids I've rooted.
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please link some of these. otherwise its nothing but hogwash. you actually think a FLAGSHIP PHONE thats less than 2 months old wont get JB? Thats just crazy talk.
i googled " evo 4g lte jelly bean" and im 4 pages in. nothing about the phone NOT getting JB. You may be misreading or misunderstanding that people are saying they dont think the phone will get it ''this year'' or the phone wont get it until ''spring of next year'' But nowhere have I see it say ''no jellybean for the htc evo 4g lte'' so i do beg of you to post some links.
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please link some of these. otherwise its nothing but hogwash. you actually think a FLAGSHIP PHONE thats less than 2 months old wont get JB? Thats just crazy talk.
i googled " evo 4g lte jelly bean" and im 4 pages in. nothing about the phone NOT getting JB. You may be misreading or misunderstanding that people are saying they dont think the phone will get it ''this year'' or the phone wont get it until ''spring of next year'' But nowhere have I see it say ''no jellybean for the htc evo 4g lte'' so i do beg of you to post some links.
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I agree that it's crazy talk, but that's why I asked. I trust the opinions of the XDA community as its never let me down in the two years that I've been lurking and posting. I tried to find the one article that I read it on and now I can't find it. But that's ok... I believe the user may have been ranting about HTC+Sprint lagging on OTAs. Regardless, that's why I asked XDA.
LOL, it's looking less likely that I'm returning this device.
This is absolutely RIDICULOUS, we have been waiting for an entire month for the 1.22 source code but the galaxy note 10.1 has source already AND THE DEVICE DOESN'T COME OUT FOR A FEW MORE WEEKS!!!!! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR HTC TO UPLOAD A 100MB FILE FOR USE TO USE??? It bugs the hell out of me just how little HTC cares about releasing this stuff...
Souce link: http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...te-10-1-kernel-source-weeks-ahead-of-release/
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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Over the years Samsung has really stepped up there game. Which is why they are the lead android manufacturer now. HTC needs to take some notes, and get rid of dev unlock, release source codes faster, and upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d). Take Samsung for example they told all the US retailers they weren't making different variations of the SGS3 and they released them all around the same time. Why cant HTC do that? My next phone will most likely be a Samsung.
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exactly! and ive been tempted to get samsung phones after seeing the s2 and s3 but with all the word about their phones being kinda shotty when it comes to build quality i always end up staying htc... its a vicious circle where you can't win
Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
this is the last htc phone im getting
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Another 60 days most likely before kernel source.
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or they will release it as soon as they update us to the new update the the one x got
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this is the last htc phone im getting
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i think im going to have to join you on this
This is my first HTC phone... I come from mostly samsung. I will not be getting another htc until they step us... The phone build quality is great but all my phones live in otter cases so that does not matter....
I think I'm going to nexus next.... I like flashing to much for this crap...
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I agree. Really frustrating!
Every time I pose the question on their Facebook it gets deleted almost immediately.
I really don't understand what is going on with HTC these days. They used to be much more responsive to this kind of stuff.
I'm just not sure what to do about it.
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upgrade the Android OS faster (evo 3d).
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I'm pretty sure that the heavy delay on the ics upgrade for the EVO 3d was on sprints end...especially since the virgin mobile variant received its upgrade quite a bit sooner...but I do wish they'd release source sooner it is annoying but hey I love their devices so I'll stick it out for a while and see if things get better lol
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
I will never go Samsung
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I really don't want to be a jerk but there is at least one other thread on the topic with a much more descriptive thread topic.
I've had the Hero, OG EVO, Epic 4g, Moment, and Photon....I've played with the Epic 4g touch as well.
Samsung's have been notorious for GPS and other build problems...After my experience with the Photon ill never buy Moto again. You think dev is slow here....try a Moto phone with a locked Bootloader.
I always end up going back to HTC.
With that said I'm really surprised how unstable stock is...especially Sense and the WiFi drop issue drives me up a wall.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon cuz I love this phone overall.
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Agreed gps can be a bear with Samsung. Also in almost every modem update its like the first modem they did ever. Better connection, lower battery. Next version bad connection, good battery, rinse, repeat.
Oh and as I have said before. Still waiting on evo 4g 4.67 ota kernel source. Well over gpl time. Now they don't even respond to my requests, at least they used to, until I advised them of the dates... And I'm sorry, 5.07 ota, doesn't qualify as reseting the clock,.
There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
I'd rather put my nuts in a vice than buy a Samsung phone. We have custom kernels that work with the latest ota anyway. HTC for life!
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There's a thread like this every week...
They're funny to me because of what people are complaining about. People are mad at HTC for not releasing their source fast enough just so they can get rid of the UI that's on damn near all HTC android phones. If I were HTC, I wouldn't be in a rush either.
And sheesh, when the source does drop, you still have people impatient. Comparing this dev community to another phone's...always asking when a kernel is going to be made or when CM or AOKP will be dropped. I don't even know why people are buying phones now...I would say they're only doing it for CM and/or AOKP but if you wanted that...you could've just gone with the Nexus.
Idk if it's just me but i have NO idea why 95% of the people on this forum have this phone. Clearly it's not because you like the Evo 4g LTE because threads like these are proof that you do not like this phone.
I just don't get it....and people are so quick to bash iPhones too but c'mon...look at these threads. There was a thread where a dude was disappointed in this phone because it didn't have all CM or AOKP up as fast the OG Evo did. Seriously? And that got me thinkin'...the majority of the people are disappointed in that way...disappointed because they don't have CM or AOKP because HTC or Samsung didn't drop source which would help the devs and blah blah. When you look at it, people are just buying newer phones to run the exact same ROM they were on before. And people say they like Android because you aren't locked down or any of that stuff...but most of y'all might as well be because when presented with something different, you hate it. But that's me going on a tangent because this thread isn't even about that!
This thread. Is about. HTC. Not releasing source. And people are saying "This is my last HTC phone." I'm serious...if I'm the only one who sees how absurd that is..wow. Seriously...just enjoy the phone. If source was such a big deal...should've gone with the Nexus. Damn shame that some of y'all even factor that into a decision on the phone. The dev community should not be what makes or breaks a phone. These dudes don't work for HTC...so when you start factoring the dev community into positives and negatives for the phone...you put a lot of pressure on devs who aren't even making bank on this.
I just can't believe that we've all lived through times when we didn't even have phones...and the one thing that upsets everyone the most is the fact that HTC hasn't dropped source. Never mind the fact taht we are doing some insane things on this phone right now..doing things we've never even dreamed of a decade ago...and one of the biggest issues of right now is ****in source. Ungrateful.
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no i bought this phone because i had the original evo 4g and loved it more than any other phone, then when i saw this phone i knew i had to get it. i love this phones build quality and the hardware in it but its b.s. that htc will not release source. i don't even care about aosp since sense 4 actually seems like something useful and not crazy bloated like sense 2.0+ i just want some kernels to run on sense so we can get some proper fixings going on instead of modifying the hell out of the old base's source and using every work around in the book to get them to function properly. not to say that the kernels we are starting to see are bad. and the saying "oh should have got a nexus" is bullsh*t if i wanted one i would have got one, but instead i wanted the evo lte and its more up to date and better hardware. if i wanted an already outdated phone i would have just stuck with my original evo. the point is, no matter what phone you buy you SHOULD be able to do what you want with it and you SHOULD be givin the proper code to do it with. and since htc is failing to do this, it is the reason there is a new thread every week complaining about it and they have a damn good reason to do so because this is ridiculous. so if you don't like the threads then tough sh*t because your going to keep seeing them till it drops and it will happen again with the next update. get used to it
Edit: and you can't honestly sit there and say that this isn't completely unnecessary. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE SOURCE READY, all they have to do is upload it within a day or 2 of an ota like samsung and people would be happy. and what do they have to lose by releasing it? they already got our money when we bought the phone so what do they care what we do with it?
now lets stop this here, we don't need another thread of keyboard warriors
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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ms:
People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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Yeah, that^.
PsiPhiDan said:
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People got the phone for the hardware. Camera, screen, storage, CPU, etc. People on a development forum are likely going to get a phone with development and AOSP in mind, yes. That makes perfect sense. Also, many people got this phone trusting the reviewers that said Sense 4.0 was toned down and unobtrusive. They were let down, and are holding out hope that the devs can pick up HTC's mess and clean it up and utilize this powerful hardware. This isn't mind-blowing stuff. People didn't want the Nexus because it was dated when Sprint got it, and the camera and screen seemed far inferior.
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I agree with you for the most part.
What I disagree on is Sense NOT being toned down and less obtrusive. Sense 4.0 is much better than Sense 3.0 was. It's much smoother, it looks better, and keeps the functionality it needs while not being too bloated like previous versions of Sense were.
What drags the Sense experience down is the memory management, which is lacking. I would argue that is less of an issue with Sense and more of an issue of optimization of memory. I for one never had Sense reloads when I was stock, but then again I was never running a ton of apps at once. All HTC has to do is make the memory management less aggressive and we wouldn't have nearly as many problems.
Sense DOES utilize this phone's hardware very well, and you can see that in how smooth everything is. We just need that memory management worked on. If we had more RAM in the phone it would be PERFECT.
I still don't understand the RAM argument. We aren't even that close to maxing our RAM, so why do we need more? I've been told by people much more informed than me about Android that it utilizes RAM differently than Windows, so 100MB free is no different than 1.1 GB free. I agree with you that the memory management is at fault here, but I think that's the end of the story.
Edit: TouchWiz is much smoother than Sense, and many people had many Sense reloads while stock... I'm not sure I care for Sense 4.0 much more than I did 3.0, especially considering the fake multi-tasking.
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okay guys heres a thought....how about instead of turning on each other, and starting the talk of "ill never own an HTC again" crap, you do something productive and start a movement against HTC proactively to be loud about them being lazy on releasing source code?....Leaving HTC isn't going to fix the issue at hand, as they wont see the effect in their sales #'s by the few in the dev community leaving to make them give a F....What they will do is react to a giant community outcry over a pressing issue on slow source release! They did it with the locked bootloaders so another push for source might make them change their ways...
Just saying, threads saying "this is my last htc device b/c they are slow are releasing source..." are silly and pointless....
Do something to make a change and start a vocal complaint movement instead of just sitting here and complaining/whining about it on xda!
I've been using iphone for a while but am contemplating getting a work phone so thought I'd get something different. My wife has the nokia lumia and I'm not a great fan, although I do like the dynamic windows tiles.
So I had a quick play with the Galaxy S4 and HTC One. Before I went into the store the HTC was the one I was most interested in, but I didn't like it to be honest. I usually like HTC UI but not on this, plus I didn't like the soft touch keys.
The S4 user experience was much better imo, but the thing that let it down over the HTC was the build quality/materials the phone is made from. For a £500+ phone I'd expect better tbh. I do like the Android home screen(s) though, much more interesting than the iphone imo. I'd personally like it if Apple introduced widgets rather than just having a screen full of icons.
Sorry to compare to the iphone, but obviously that's my benchmark. I did find the touchscreen very good and responsive, but neither are as slick as the iphone when scrolling around etc. At times they were a little jerky/stuttery (only minor but there), also I found that it didn't always click the links I wanted, it would click the link above or below. Finally the web pages rendered far too small for me (especially the S4). It's as though they're trying to cram to much real estate on making the text too small and ilegible. I had to zoom 99% of web pages, whereas with the iphone I can read them without zoomin
So my questions are can these things be altered? When I had my HTC HD2 a few years ago I found similar issues with rendering and area it was clicking, but you could tweak all these things, as well has how quick the screen scrolled etc by tweaking the registry (xda-developers was a great help for this). Can you do a similar thing with android?
Sorry if this sounds like I'm bashing the phones, I'm not they're very good phones. But for me personally I'd need to be able to change the rendering size of webpages at least (if not the other things) as I'd just find it too annoying to use.
You can alter the text sizes on Android browsers, under Settings > Accessibility. See screenshot.
Personally if I had to choose between the One and the S4, I'd take the One without even thinking about it.
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timmaaa said:
You can alter the text sizes on Android browsers, under Settings > Accessibility. See screenshot.
Personally if I had to choose between the One and the S4, I'd take the One without even thinking about it.
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Thanks for the reply and help. What are your reasons behind you comments of the One vs S4? It's a shame you can't rent phones fro a few days so you can get to 'play' with them properly, as we all know spending a few minutes in store doesn't give you a real fell for them
Like you mentioned earlier, the build quality is better on the HTC. Samsung phones are just too plasticy for my liking, they look ugly and feel cheap. The design of the One is beautiful.
I also much prefer the stock Sense 5 UI over Touchwiz, I'm using Sense 5 on my One XL at the moment. I'm usually an AOSP fan (I've never really liked Sense much) but Sense 5 has won me over. Touchwiz looks so ugly to me, especially the comic-sans kind of fonts they use so often! If I was getting one I'd root it anyway so I guess the UI would be interchangeable.
Lastly, I think Samsung try too hard, yeah they have some cool features sometimes but ultimately I think they're really gimmicky. In fairness the same could be said about the Beats "audio enhancement" found on HTC phones, no thanks I prefer a music player with good built in equalizer (like Poweramp).
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Like you mentioned earlier, the build quality is better on the HTC. Samsung phones are just too plasticy for my liking, they look ugly and feel cheap. The design of the One is beautiful.
I also much prefer the stock Sense 5 UI over Touchwiz, I'm using Sense 5 on my One XL at the moment. I'm usually an AOSP fan (I've never really liked Sense much) but Sense 5 has won me over. Touchwiz looks so ugly to me, especially the comic-sans kind of fonts they use so often! If I was getting one I'd root it anyway so I guess the UI would be interchangeable.
Lastly, I think Samsung try too hard, yeah they have some cool features sometimes but ultimately I think they're really gimmicky. In fairness the same could be said about the Beats "audio enhancement" found on HTC phones, no thanks I prefer a music player with good built in equalizer (like Poweramp).
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Thanks again. I need to swot up on the different UI's as I'm not familiar with all the different Android UI's/OS's eg touchwiz
After researching and playing with these devices again in store I think I'll choose the HTC One. One think that I don't like is the black background when you go to the apps page, or in menus. The blue wallpaper of the Samsung Galaxy looks much more aesthetically appealing to me (see below). I know with android you can customise just about anything, so can you change the app and menu backgrounds on the HTC to anything you want rather than just having plain black? How easy is it to do?
Not a big thing I know, but aesthetics is important to me
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On the stock ROM I don't believe you can change the app drawer background. But, if you decide to root the device there will most likely be ROMs available that will have that as an option, plus many more.
In terms of how easy rooting is to accomplish, I believe if you can read and have a basic understanding of technology then it's pretty straight forward. It's daunting at first, I researched quite a lot before attempting it, which is always the best way to go about it.
You're in the right place. XDA is a brilliant community, with a wealth of information, and it's full of like minded people who are willing to lend a hand. If you do decide to root your phone, just go to the XDA home page, use the drop down boxes at the top to find your device forum, and start learning about the true capabilities of Android.
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So my questions are can these things be altered?
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Most things on android can be changed which is what what makes it so great.
Thanks for the replies guys. When you say root the device is this essentially hacking the device, such as jailbreaking the iphone? If so does it cause any performance issues/glitches, and does it effect warranty in any way?
As for the forum, it is truly staggering the knowledge base on here. I used the site many moons ago when I had the HTC HD2 and the info was invaluable.
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Thanks for the replies guys. When you say root the device is this essentially hacking the device, such as jailbreaking the iphone? If so does it cause any performance issues/glitches, and does it effect warranty in any way?
As for the forum, it is truly staggering the knowledge base on here. I used the site many moons ago when I had the HTC HD2 and the info was invaluable.
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Yeah rooting is like jail-breaking, essentially it's hacking your phone in order to give it access to the root directory of your device (where the cool stuff is), hence the term rooting.
There is usually a warning that it will indeed void your warranty. In terms of glitches, newer ROMs can have bugs, it's a matter of testing them out and finding which one works for you best. Most of the stuff available is good for daily driver use though :thumbup:
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Thanks again. I assume if you root your phone there is a way to restore it to it's original condition should you have any warranty issues, or wish to sell it on when you upgrade?
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Thanks again. I assume if you root your phone there is a way to restore it to it's original condition should you have any warranty issues, or wish to sell it on when you upgrade?
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Yes you can run an RUU (ROM update utility) which takes it back to a completely stock state. Your bootloader will have flags which say "tampered" or "unlocked" or both, but I believe the One has s-off now so I think removing them is possible, best to check at that forum though.
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Yes you can run an RUU (ROM update utility) which takes it back to a completely stock state. Your bootloader will have flags which say "tampered" or "unlocked" or both, but I believe the One has s-off now so I think removing them is possible, best to check at that forum though.
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Many thanks.
No problems :thumbup:
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