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Hey guys, newbie here and I got some questions for y'all.
I am a longtime iPhone user, thinking about switching over to the Vibrant. I'm used to the jailbreaking/unlocking of the iphone...are similar things able to be done to the Vibrant?
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Hey guys, newbie here and I got some questions for y'all.
I am a longtime iPhone user, thinking about switching over to the Vibrant. I'm used to the jailbreaking/unlocking of the iphone...are similar things able to be done to the Vibrant? Can you install hacked apps? Where do you go for the apps? How do you install them?
Please, point me in the right direction of where I need to look. I'm so used to not paying for apps, I'd like to stick with that
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Ok a few things.
Yes, you can root the vibrant and install custom roms.
On the iPhone you can install hacked apps, meaning you don't pay for them, techinically you can do the same on an Android phone by just having the apk file, however this is frowned upon because that is stealing. Why not just pay for the app? Apps are cheap on Android.
If you are a current iPhone user and if you purchase the Vibrant, YOU WILL BE UNHAPPY. I suggest you wait for the iPhone 5 which will be released in June, or wait for the dual core Android phones coming out. Do not get the original Vibrant.
Ps...the Vibrant 4G is going to be released soon. You can also get the Nexus S at best buy.
btw coming to xda and saying you don't pay for apps and you steal them was not a wise idea.
Go back to the iphone, this isn't the place for you.
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dcpetterson said:
Go back to the iphone, this isn't the place for you.
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oh yeah, why's that?
dcpetterson said:
Go back to the iphone, this isn't the place for you.
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Stay classy!
OP:
Yes, you can "jailbreak", for Android it is called root, and in turn you can install custom ROMs, Kernels, and for the Vibrant "modems" (radio's on other phones). As for "free" apps, Android, unlike iOS, has TONS of free apps already. Developers tend to offer a free and paid version, main difference is the free version has ads in it. Developers actually make more money off the ad revenue (typically) than the paid versions. There are still apps that are only paid, or the full version are paid only, and to be very honest trying to get those for free is BS in my opinion, especially given the prices.
This site is FULL of all the info you need to root any Android phone and start loading custom ROMs. It is very addictive, and compared to the iPhone, it is like living in America versus living in China in terms of freedom to do what you want. In China (iPhone) you are limited in your ways, and can do as you please to an extent. Where as in America (Android) you are free to do as you please, but have a great infrastructure to help guide you and aid you in such venturers.
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btw coming to xda and saying you don't pay for apps and you steal them was not a wise idea.
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He said it well, and I'm not gonna flame you, although I really want to, this just isn't right for you.
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I am not on AT&T, I am on T-Mobile. I have had a 3G for the last 2 years, but with the new ios4.3 comes out, it will not have an update for the 3G, they are getting fazed out. So I'm moving away from the iphone for a while, may get a 4 down the road.
I understand cracked apps are illegal, a TMO CSR pointed me to this website, so if cracked apps aren't talked about here fine, I didn't know. I was just going where I was told by Tmobile to get information regarding it. Simple as that.
I have a free 2 year upgrade at TMobile right now, so I'm looking between the Vibrant and the MyTouch 4G. Right now I'm using a Blackberry Bold 9780.
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I am not on AT&T, I am on T-Mobile. I have had a 3G for the last 2 years, but with the new ios4.3 comes out, it will not have an update for the 3G, they are getting fazed out. So I'm moving away from the iphone for a while, may get a 4 down the road.
I understand cracked apps are illegal, a TMO CSR pointed me to this website, so if cracked apps aren't talked about here fine, I didn't know. Please point me towards the website where it is talked about.
I have a free 2 year upgrade at TMobile right now, so I'm looking between the Vibrant and the MyTouch 4G. Right now I'm using a Blackberry Bold 9780.
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Warez is not just frowned upon, but is grounds for banishment on XDA, and actually every single decent Android site. Explaining how to get it, where to get it, or giving it out is a major no no, and asking (especially after being told) is a no no as well.
This isn't iOS where everything costs money, this is Android where you can literally get 95% of apps for free from the market. There is no need to steal, not that there is on iOS (I have an iPad, love it, and have paid for my fair share of apps even though it is jailbroken).
Lastly, if that is your only desire in a phone, then just don't get one. If all you want to do is use your phone to steal, then you don't deserve to have a phone.
dude, relax! I said I didn't know it was against the rules here. I WAS DOING WHAT THE TMOBILE REP TOLD ME TO DO! I will edit my original post so you don't get butt hurt, it's a simple f'in mistake. Get your panties out of a bunch!
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dude, relax! I said I didn't know it was against the rules here. I WAS DOING WHAT THE TMOBILE REP TOLD ME TO DO! I will edit my original post so you don't get butt hurt, it's a simple f'in mistake. Get your panties out of a bunch!
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You were told multiple times it is a no no, and in turn decided to ask again. At that point it isn't a question of not a knowing, it is clearly a matter of not caring.
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You were told multiple times it is a no no, and in turn decided to ask again. At that point it isn't a question of not a knowing, it is clearly a matter of not caring.
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hey slick, the first reply to this came edited in afterwards...the original post said simply "OK" and then he came back and edited it with his information. Pay attention. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have removed it! I understand you're perfect and never make mistakes, my apologies!
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Hey guys, newbie here and I got some questions for y'all.
I am a longtime iPhone user, thinking about switching over to the Vibrant. I'm used to the jailbreaking/unlocking of the iphone...are similar things able to be done to the Vibrant? Can you install hacked apps? Where do you go for the apps? How do you install them?
Please, point me in the right direction of where I need to look. I'm so used to not paying for apps, I'd like to stick with that
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Welcome to XDA! I came to the Vibrant from the iPhone 3G and I love it, as one has said you can steal apps but no one here will help you with that, also apps seem to generally cheaper on android than they are on iOS.
Depending on what you are looking for you may be happier where your currently have. Android's market is growing quiet well but I feel that it currently doesn't match the iOS market when it comes to games, so if games are your thing I would stay away (but we do have great emulators!) Many things may have changed in iOS since I used it last back in 3.0 something another.
Now few things I love personally love about android! Google Voice is easily used, Ive been using it for about 2 years now and haven't given out my real number since, its the best! Google maps is amazing, always getting updates haven't used a standalone gps since. You can customize the desktop however you feel please (don't need winterboard and everything, its just a ton easier). Swype is pure amazing, I could never go back to normal texting after getting use to it, super fast! And finally googles voice integration, you can talk and have it type what is said, you can have it search for you or even open your google maps and have it set your navigation!
As I'm sure you've noticed by now the forum has a lot of idiots who have nothing to add to the community except their derogatory remarks, sadly they don't seem to ever go away do they?
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Welcome to XDA! I came to the Vibrant from the iPhone 3G and I love it, as one has said you can steal apps but no one here will help you with that, also apps seem to generally cheaper on android than they are on iOS.
Depending on what you are looking for you may be happier where your currently have. Android's market is growing quiet well but I feel that it currently doesn't match the iOS market when it comes to games, so if games are your thing I would stay away (but we do have great emulators!) Many things may have changed in iOS since I used it last back in 3.0 something another.
Now few things I love personally love about android! Google Voice is easily used, Ive been using it for about 2 years now and haven't given out my real number since, its the best! Google maps is amazing, always getting updates haven't used a standalone gps since. You can customize the desktop however you feel please (don't need winterboard and everything, its just a ton easier). Swype is pure amazing, I could never go back to normal texting after getting use to it, super fast! And finally googles voice integration, you can talk and have it type what is said, you can have it search for you or even open your google maps and have it set your navigation!
As I'm sure you've noticed by now the forum has a lot of idiots who have nothing to add to the community except their derogatory remarks, sadly they don't seem to ever go away do they?
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what exactly is google voice? And how does that enable you to not give out your real number?
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what exactly is google voice? And how does that enable you to not give out your real number?
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Its quicker if I just point you to it, Google Voice
The link has short videos that would explain what it is better than I would.
Back when I got started using it, it was a closed to public but now anyone can sign up for it.
Interesting, never even heard of that before.
Are you using the 2.3 or 2.2 on yours?
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Interesting, never even heard of that before.
Are you using the 2.3 or 2.2 on yours?
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Right now the official 2.2 update that just came out.
Oh is 2.2 the newest?
Officially, yes. Google has released 2.3 out but nothing official for us yet.
so what exactly is "rooting" then and what does it accomplish?
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so what exactly is "rooting" then and what does it accomplish?
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Rooting does what jail breaking did for the iphone. Allows you to do what you normally couldn't. Its also really easy to do, there are a few different things you can use but they all get the same thing done.
When you root you can install new rom's like a 2.3 rom if you wish. There developers who change them how they wish and then share them with the community, you can find them in Vibrant Android Development part of the forums. You can also download new kernels that will allow you to overclock your phone or even underclock if you wish.
In the android market there are some apps that also require you to root your phone to use them. One such app is Titanium Backup, it will back all the apps and stuff you have downloaded so if you install a new rom or lose your phone or something you can easily reinstall everything.
Basically rooting fully opens up your phone, allowing anything.
I'm quite puzzled by Motorola's lack of vision in unifying apps compatibility across it's range.
The fact that Xoom apps don't work outside of the US on MZ60x 's is just plain rude considering it has nothing to do with carrier/location/hardware limitations.
The Razr/Bionic/Atrix 2 have some great apps and should be available to all.
Something that intrigues me are both the SmartActions and MOTOCHAT.
A possible rival to RIM'S BBM should be a major deal and available on ALL MOTOs (along with motoprint, blur, etc).
As us outside the US are given almost no heed, I was wondering if any kind and enterprising souls could post all Motorola Mobility apks here.
Thanks for listening.
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It's so they can produce incremental hardware upgrades while implementing in-demand software on each release, hence justifying (to themselves anyways) for overcharging consumers.
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I'm quite puzzled by Motorola's lack of vision in unifying apps compatibility across it's range.
The fact that Xoom apps don't work outside of the US on MZ60x 's is just plain rude considering it has nothing to do with carrier/location/hardware limitations.
The Razr/Bionic/Atrix 2 have some great apps and should be available to all.
Something that intrigues me are both the SmartActions and MOTOCHAT.
A possible rival to RIM'S BBM should be a major deal and available on ALL MOTOs (along with motoprint, blur, etc).
As us outside the US are given almost no heed, I was wondering if any kind and enterprising souls could post all Motorola Mobility apks here.
Thanks for listening.
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I've looked into porting SmartActions a few times and each time it just took me deeper and deeper into the Razr system only to end with bootloops. I really don't understand why we have 2.3.6 builds but they don't have the new Blur or SAs. I think it comes down to a lack interest by Moto. I kind of feel like our 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 builds were done built some employees free time, or while they were supposed to be doing something else.
That said, I'm very doubtful we'll see ICS. (Please don't turn this into an ICS thread)
I'll undoubtedly keep trying to get the new new Blur and SAs ported to our device, but that's probably because I crave disappointment.
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I've looked into porting SmartActions a few times and each time it just took me deeper and deeper into the Razr system only to end with bootloops. I really don't understand why we have 2.3.6 builds but they don't have the new Blur or SAs. I think it comes down to a lack interest by Moto. I kind of feel like our 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 builds were done built some employees free time, or while they were supposed to be doing something else.
That said, I'm very doubtful we'll see ICS. (Please don't turn this into an ICS thread)
I'll undoubtedly keep trying to get the new new Blur and SAs ported to our device, but that's probably because I crave disappointment.
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Nottach, I'm highly programming illiterate,so I highly value any effort done by people like you.
It's sad that a device like the Atrix (with it's very current hardware) is now treated like a naughty stepchild despite it's flagship status 5 months ago and CES heroics.
Even the latest Kal-el SoC has just 1GB of RAM despite the quad cores, so even the most processor intensive apps should be covered.
And that's why Apple does so well.
Google/carriers/manufacturers need to keep promises and buck up.
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And this is another thing that disheartens me. There's no doubt that Motorola does have some "bright" developers/engineers working for them but it seems that their main goal is to fragment their own ecosystem in an effort to persuade people into upgrading their devices at a higher rate while trying to confine you into their structure. Which can be said for pretty much anyone else like Apple and Microsoft but I feel Motorola does it more blatantly to the point where its more detrimental to the consumer rather than an inconvenience.
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I've looked into porting SmartActions a few times and each time it just took me deeper and deeper into the Razr system only to end with bootloops. I really don't understand why we have 2.3.6 builds but they don't have the new Blur or SAs. I think it comes down to a lack interest by Moto. I kind of feel like our 2.3.5 and 2.3.6 builds were done built some employees free time, or while they were supposed to be doing something else.
That said, I'm very doubtful we'll see ICS. (Please don't turn this into an ICS thread)
I'll undoubtedly keep trying to get the new new Blur and SAs ported to our device, but that's probably because I crave disappointment.
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I'm starting to believe that Moto is merely a trend setter in this department. Samsung and HTC products refresh so quickly in Asia that 6 months seem to be the upgrade cycle (in a region where carriers offer no subsidies).
On a sidenote, how do I post apps via mobile/xda premium on threads? I want to start the ball rolling!
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Here are a few Moto-apps (free,Android Market,modified for ALL DEVICES)
that may not be available to all countries.
The MOTOprint app is an earlier,free version.
I had nothing to do with these,just publicly available.
vlingo was not available outside the US.
Other apps not on worldwide Atrix's (MB/ME860) were Zumocast(!!!),
MotoLounge(Australia only) and Moto PIM sync.
Even the Webtop app is different!
As, usual,I had nothing to do with this attached app,just publicly available.
I apologize if I've derailed the point of your thread, sometimes I get all "99%" without realizing it. This is definitely a good topic and I hope more people look into making these apps/services cross-compatible.
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I'm starting to believe that Moto is merely a trend setter in this department. Samsung and HTC products refresh so quickly in Asia that 6 months seem to be the upgrade cycle (in a region where carriers offer no subsidies).
On a sidenote, how do I post apps via mobile/xda premium on threads? I want to start the ball rolling!
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I apologize if I've derailed the point of your thread, sometimes I get all "99%" without realizing it. This is definitely a good topic and I hope more people look into making these apps/services cross-compatible.
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No worries, i've been guilty of that in the past as well.
I've posted some cross-compatible apks for those who may not have 'em/
flashed their mobiles.
Here's a Zumocast that works well with my Archos 70S and Motorola MB511
Flipout and A855 Milestone/Droid.
Hhhmmm...
it now states that Motochat v01.03 is only supported by devices
with Android 2.3.7 (rather than 2.3 and above) to 3.2;since 2nd Jan 2012.
Is it impossible to make it work with 2.3.4 and above?
I also have some hilarious screens regarding the Atrix's "compatibilty" with Atrix-specific Apps. Granted apps are for the US version, but the eco-system should
allow us to download them anyway. Whether or not they work is up to us. (ala
International-market Droids, the A853 and XT720)
The "Certificate Updater" was really only an issue with the 4.1.83 build that had to do with the Atrix not being able to access mobile banking sites, and I think it was an US-only issue. That was still Froyo too. It has since been fixed with subsequent releases.
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Hhhmmm...
it now states that Motochat v01.03 is only supported by devices
with Android 2.3.7 (rather than 2.3 and above) to 3.2;since 2nd Jan 2012.
Is it impossible to make it work with 2.3.4 and above?
I also have some hilarious screens regarding the Atrix's "compatibilty" with Atrix-specific Apps. Granted apps are for the US version, but the eco-system should
allow us to download them anyway. Whether or not they work is up to us. (ala
International-market Droids, the A853 and XT720)
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The "Certificate Updater" was really only an issue with the 4.1.83 build that had to do with the Atrix not being able to access mobile banking sites, and I think it was an US-only issue. That was still Froyo too. It has since been fixed with subsequent releases.
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Understood, but Motorola Mobility have an awesome track record of incompatibility issues with their world-market devices; such as Android Market stating that the Droid-Flashlight app (ooh!) won't work with the Milestone A853 or even better,Moto-Pack FOR TABLETS not working with the MZ601/604.
It doesn't recognize overseas devices for the most part.
My previous phone,the MB511 was detected as a Defy MB525 for 2 months
before it said "Flipout" once market hit 2.2.7.
UK Market Atrix were only updated to 2.3.4 last week,and also had mobile-
banking bloatware courtesy of Orange.
Chinese "Shop4apps" specific apps i get, but this is too much.
Hence the thread, a way to unify all MB860/ME860 users.
I understand and I totally agree. You can ask anyone that knows me, I'm usually the first one in line if someone is throwing a "Motorola-Bashing" party.
It's quite frustrating and I have my theories, but they are usually border-line conspiracy theories. All in all, I feel there needs to be more petitions brought out against Motorola and other companies that decide to undertake these business practices and marketing that are disadvantageous to the end user.
We are the 99%! (sorry, got carried away again)
But from the other end of the spectrum, consumers need to take the time to educate themselves on products and whether there is going to be a mutual ascension in compatibility and, thus, make better purchasing decisions that would pressure companies into providing a more consistent platform.
EDIT: To elaborate even further, HTC did well being consistent (profits soared) with Sense until they got carried away and tried to maximize even further with incremental (and ultimately fragmented) developments in their lineup and now they are starting to come down to earth. Now Samsung is on top with their Galaxy "S" line but now I see them trying to diversify their lineup with "M" and "W", etc etc, series and I see them flattening out soon.
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Understood, but Motorola Mobility have an awesome track record of incompatibility issues with their world-market devices; such as Android Market stating that the Droid-Flashlight app (ooh!) won't work with the Milestone A853 or even better,Moto-Pack FOR TABLETS not working with the MZ601/604.
UK Market Atrix were only updated to 2.3.4 last week,and also had mobile-
banking bloatware courtesy of Orange.
Chinese "Shop4apps" specific apps i get, but this is too much.
Hence the thread, a way to unify all MB860/ME860 users.
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agreed.latest moto-phone always get latest features.unfair to us all.
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agreed.latest moto-phone always get latest features.unfair to us all.
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welcome to the thread! pls post ANYTHING Atrix/ME860 here.
Today, i've discovered something else i don't have.
RICH LOCATION app.
so what's motochat? I've looked for it and can't find it anywhere.
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welcome to the thread! pls post ANYTHING Atrix/ME860 here.
Today, i've discovered something else i don't have.
RICH LOCATION app.
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I don't like that rich location app. events and information do not seem up to date in my area.
Motochat (beta) seems to be motorola's BBM rival. Weirdly only works on 2.3.7. I would expect something this crucial to be available even on the motokey social ex118!
Thanks regarding the Rich Location app.
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Motorola RICH LOCATION apk
....and here's the RICH LOCATION app.
"Garbage" according to some, but i think it's incredibly useful and
forward thinking.
It uses your phone's location services to determine where you are IN ANY CITY
and lists services/promotions/places of interest within a predetermined radius.
Extra services include Yelp! plus the usual listed businesses.
Well done to the devs.
By the way: the Rich Location app has been renamed to Social Location. You may find it under this new name on the Atrix 4G. There are some countries that this app will not come installed by default, though. As you mentioned that you used Rich Location in the past, I assume that the app is available in your area.
Hello all!
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I'm a fellow Nexus 10 owner. I love my device, but I'm a bit tired of facing applications that are low-resolution and unoptimized for the incredible display we have on the Nexus 10. Even tablet-optimized apps are lacking. Aren't you frustrated? Hence, I thought we could do something about it as a community.
Which is the purpose of this thread!
Here's how it will work. This first post will serve as a compilation of all the petitions made to any and all developers to optimize their applications for tablets, and also the Nexus 10's display. Any subsequent posts in this thread shall be for petition requests and discussion, which I will personally put together and post up to the petition site being used for this purpose (Care2 as of this thread's posting). I will then add a direct link to that petition to this thread, sorted by category. Feel free to make any suggestions or to criticize! I will also start us off with a petition I have already created myself: to the developers of the Bloons TD series of games, Ninja Kiwi.
I'll try to keep things simple! Keep on topic, please, and try your best to sign each and every petition. Its the only way we'll be able to actually push developers to optimize their applications for tablets like ours! So, without further ado, let us begin!
Petition List
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Bloons TD 5 - Optimize Bloons TD 5 for Android Tablets
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Facebook - Optimize Facebook for Android Tablets
Instagram - Optimize Instagram for Android Tablets
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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This is likely Google's job, not ours. In any event, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter are three that immediately spring to mind. Not because they are low resolution -- not sure what you mean there -- but because the layouts are so clearly designed for smaller screens. I shouldn't have to opt for Friendcaster, Tabstagram, and Plume.
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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This is likely Google's job, not ours.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!
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No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Eztiban said:
A dedicated Facebook app should be a priority. My mate has an iPad and I found myself looking longingly at the sickness of the dedicated app. Something needs to be done to put a stop to this sick perversion!
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Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
Like previously said all those social apps need optimization for sure. And the xda app needs optimization. I think there's an HD version but it costs money
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brees75 said:
No, it's the app devs job. The point of this is to show them that there is a need for this to be done by enough of their user base to merit the work hours it will take them to implement it. What they don't know ends up hurting us. It is actually an excellent idea.
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I would tend to agree with Brees on this one, which you could probably guess. I think Brees put it excellently!Its the job of the application developers to get out proper apps. Google has done TONS of work already. Now we need to show these guys that we, the users, actually care about proper tablet applications, and that it is worth the investment.
Thats why I created this thread - if we don't do something about it, no-one will! I'm going to try to get as many signatures as possible, and I'm going to spread this thread across multiple forums if necessary. AndroidTablets.net springs to mind.
Exactly! I'm tired of this sort of thing. This needs to be put to a stop. I'll create the petition.
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
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You'll excuse me if I seem overly cynical about this. I used to be a BlackBerry user. Well over two years ago, some folks on Crackberry launched a campaign to bombard Reid Hastings, the president of Netflix, with email to get Netflix on the BlackBerry platform (the OS 6 devices like the Torch had then fairly recently come out). If you are familiar with Crackberry, you know that they are a rabid, fanatical horde. Nothing happened. Then came the petitions -- change.org and the like. They are still going on more than two years plus later, and despite the fact that BlackBerry now has quite decent phones and a decent OS in BB10, there is still no Netflix on the platform.
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I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
This deserved a quick update post: the petitions for Facebook and Instagram are now online. Facebook already has a few votes!
I just signed Facebook one.
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What's the address part for?
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So that you can be stalked lol. No need to put you real address I made one up and it didn't even check if it was right
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Yeah, what abdel said lol.
Its mostly to confirm that you're a real person with a real place to live, that kinda stuff.
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EDIT: Holy! I already have 4 signatures for Facebook on Android Tablets and I haven't even posted it anywhere yet! That shows something.
C'mon guys, I'll post it up in the main thread. Vote for it now!
I think your points make sense, but they aren't a valid reason really to cause Netflix to develop for BB10. The marketshare simply isn't there.
With Android, however, the market has shown that it is a valid platform (and I hate to say that as if it was an option - c'mon. ANDROID IS AWESOME! ); it makes sense for them to update, and it only helps us out. We need to show them that we actually CARE. If they understand that, then they will update for us without question. If they have any business sense, that is.
Same with BB10 (which is, quite frankly, a very nice OS - it even has NFC Beaming support between BB and Android devices). If they had the market AND Crackberry screaming like it was/is, they would get a proper app quite quickly.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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BB's problem is definitely rooted in market share, something that Android in general obviously has no problem with. But the numbers dwindle considerably when you're talking about Android tablet market share, and then on top of that, you've got to consider how many Android tablet users really care that there are some apps that are just scaled up phone versions. Apple cared enough to do something about it -- remember that was one of the criticisms of the first iPad, i.e., that it seemed just like a oversized iPod. Google has not been responsive on this front (nor on others for that matter).
Anyway, I don't want to discourage anyone, so have at it.
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Don't worry, you're not discouraging (me, at least).
Android Tablet market share has been steadily on the rise - in fact, it rivals the iPad. According to many statistics, they are slated to pass (if they have not already) Apple devices in tablet market share by the 3rd quarter. I listed 3 (or 4?) links in all of the petitions.
As for Google, they have been doing a great job lately. They added dedicated tablet sections to Google Play, and have been pushing developers to adhere to the guidelines constantly. I say keep up that pressure!
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Thanks! We need more people like you here. Keep it up!
As for everyone else, keep an eye out for new petitions; and, most importantly of all:
SIGN THEM!!!!
We have hundreds of views on this thread, yet most people don't seem to want to take 60 seconds and sign the petitions, oddly enough. And this is a Nexus 10 forum. Keep it up, anyway! We CAN do this with enough time.
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One of these days I plan to actually try to learn some Android development; I'll be sure to make whatever apps I make optimized for the N10 though :good:
What are your thoughts on the "Anti Piracy Support" being implemented into their ROMS
ROM Developers are now starting to implement this "Anti Piracy Support" . Many of them do and some of them don't.
So what is AntiPiracySupport?
Meaning, this will block the installation of pirated apps, malware and patchers.
For you, is it good or bad?
Roms that have AntiPiracySupport builtin:
+ ACIP:
Commits in Github: YES
+resurrectionremix
Commits in Github: YES
+ Exodus:
Commits in Github: YES
+ BrokenOS
Commits in Github: YES
+ My Rom Builds(if no other info is added):
Commits in Github: YES
Roms that don't have AntiPiracySupport builtin now:
+ AOSPA
Commit in Gerrit: NO
+ Official OmniRom:
Commit in Gerrit: NO
For me it is very bad. Because in my country many of the apps I need are blocked and some of it wasnt compatible with mi3. So big no to Anti Piracy Support for me. Sorry developers.
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This might help guys :thumbup:
Any it should be AICP not ACIP hahaha!
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Here's my take on this blacklist idea.
At least 40% of the reason I bought my first Android after years of iPhones was for ad blocking. I just don't get the reason for clumsily trying to turn a custom rom into iOS. So I did a little digging and found a discussion about this blacklist from an Exodus dev who wrote "The only real reason not to support this is if you support piracy and stealing from developers."
Maybe someone can tell me whether it's a joke or Dave doesn't understand the issues. It takes little brainpower to deduce that app names can be trivially changed, as we've already seen and can even be seen in the blacklist code. So blacklisting apps by name and hardcoding that in your rom is a losing proposition from the start, right?
To stay up to date somebody would need to track package names and add them manually and hope everyone conveniently forgets the past 3+ decades of battles between malware writers and AV guys, eg when viruses started creating their own pseudo-random names to avoid the crummier scanners which Exodus is trying to emulate. We've already seen this simplistic blacklist approach can't possibly scale. Check the google+ link and you see that Kessler is trying to crowdsource a list of app names to blacklist. What happens when somebody maliciously or mistakenly adds a commonly used, objectively benign app? Who is the final arbiter of which apps get the boot? Quid custodiet ipsos custodes?
Factor in Exodus blocking my fave ad service disabler (probably an Irish app ) and debating whether to block Xposed and you have a powerful user motivation to bypass or completely avoid the blacklist and stop it from removing/disabling legit functionality. It seem likely that roms with Exodus' Anti-Adblock anti-feature will be forked if they're worth using. Not to mention, this blacklist only works if the blocked apps play along & their package names never change, and if the user has no motivation to bypass the blacklist. Extra bonus: v2 of the blacklist will be more like real malware, with obfuscated & closed source libraries.
Dave's false dichotomy is basically saying if you don't want spam or ads or closed source crapware clogging your device then you support piracy. I think Dave should've added, another reason not to support this endeavor is because poorly conceived code that goes against user wishes should ALWAYS be turfed.
tl;dr Why would anybody let this guy decide which apps are ok and which aren't, and using an old-school blacklist too? SMH.
XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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What if you want to use app but first want to check the quality of app or you don't have money for every app?
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What if you want to use app but first want to check the quality of app or you don't have money for every app?
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Well then you wait to have the money or use a free version. If there is no free version then you save up the money
Is this gonna be a requirement for rom developers?
I'm not against it. But I think it should be something optional. If the rom developer wants to implement it, that's ok. But I think the consumers should have a right to decide whether the rom supports this or not. I mean, like a democracy, the consumers vote, that's something fair...
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XDA fully supports this. IF you cant pay for an app then you dont need it.
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Can you speak for the whole XDA community? hehehe Anyways you've got a point there.
But I don't see the point of doing apps developer's job. If they want anti-piracy security for their apps they'll get it (built in), unless it's an offline app. So I wouldn't bother trying to prevent the inevitable...
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Is this gonna be a requirement for rom developers?
I'm not against it. But I think it should be something optional. If the rom developer wants to implement it, that's ok. But I think the consumers should have a right to decide whether the rom supports this or not. I mean, like a democracy, the consumers vote, that's something fair...
Can you speak for the whole XDA community? hehehe Anyways you've got a point there.
But I don't see the point of doing apps developer's job. If they want anti-piracy security for their apps they'll get it (built in), unless it's an offline app. So I wouldn't bother trying to prevent the inevitable...
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Well your first mistake was thinking you are a consumer. Not in the least. Nor do users have a say in what rom devs put in their roms. Roms are built by people for personal use and then shared to be nice. If you dont like it then you are more then welcome to build your own rom.
Second mistake was thinking it is a democracy. Its not. Users really dont have a say in what rom devs put in their roms.
All I can say is that XDA stands behind this and anything that is used to get around it is banned from the site for good.
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Well your first mistake was thinking you are a consumer. Not in the least. Nor do users have a say in what rom devs put in their roms. Roms are built by people for personal use and then shared to be nice. If you dont like it then you are more then welcome to build your own rom.
Second mistake was thinking it is a democracy. Its not. Users really dont have a say in what rom devs put in their roms.
All I can say is that XDA stands behind this and anything that is used to get around it is banned from the site for good.
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Sorry for the misunderstood, but I said it because I read rom developers ask for features and bugfixing. So I'll take it as it depends on the developer... some devs are like you said and some others "really care" about what users need/want.
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Sorry for the misunderstood, but I said it because I read rom developers ask for features and bugfixing. So I'll take it as it depends on the developer... some devs are like you said and some others "really care" about what users need/want.
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Have you really ever seen Real developers ask this? No. The only ones that do are the ones that do nothing more really then cherry pick other roms commits. There are very few real developer teams around. The rest are what we like to call winzip wizards or compile wizards.
The ones that "really care" As you say are only really doing it for donations. I know it is hard to understand in this forum as there are none of the big teams here as none of them are willing to touch Xiaomi Devices. Heck I know I am not even allowed to use one due to my job.
In the end it is up to the dev to add this if they wish but ill let you in on a secret. Most devs are working closely with each other to make this better. There is even a commit that blocks xposed frameworks.
As XDA stand completely behind it and against warez most of the things that this targets are already banned on the site. Things like lucky patcher and freedom. Both are forever banned on the site.
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Have you really ever seen Real developers ask this? No. The only ones that do are the ones that do nothing more really then cherry pick other roms commits. There are very few real developer teams around. The rest are what we like to call winzip wizards or compile wizards.
The ones that "really care" As you say are only really doing it for donations. I know it is hard to understand in this forum as there are none of the big teams here as none of them are willing to touch Xiaomi Devices. Heck I know I am not even allowed to use one due to my job.
In the end it is up to the dev to add this if they wish but ill let you in on a secret. Most devs are working closely with each other to make this better. There is even a commit that blocks xposed frameworks.
As XDA stand completely behind it and against warez most of the things that this targets are already banned on the site. Things like lucky patcher and freedom. Both are forever banned on the site.
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Very good explanation. Now I see it from that point of view, you are right.
@zelendel:
I certainly have supported and I am prepared to support more app developers who provide me free software (free as in freedom not free beer), and I'm not interested in buying closed source apps from the playstore, so I'm not really affected by this issue, but seriously? Preventing users from running the software they want on their phone? These opinions are grossing me out. Thankfully (and this might have been one of the most important advances in whole history) the creators of the software that most of our Android world is based on, have shown more wisdom and created the GPL, that forces everyone who wants to be part of this world to open source and to free their own variations of it, so thankfully people will always be able to remove components that restrict the user.
This is not a stance to enable privacy. This is a stance to oppose everybody who wants to place technical faculties in my OS that are able to prevent me from running whatever code I want (because at that precise moment, I do no longer own a personal universal computer). If enabling piracy is a side effect of preserving the freedom of an OS, then it's a small price to pay to preserve freedom. Thankfully again, it will always be possible to remove components from GPL software, even for "compiling wizards".
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@zelendel:
I certainly have supported and I am prepared to support more app developers who provide me free software (with free as in freedom not free beer), and I'm not interested in buying closed source apps from the playstore, so I'm not really affected by this issue, but seriously? Preventing users from running the software they want on their phone? These opinions are grossing me out. Thankfully (and this might have been one of the most important advances in whole history) the creators of the software that most of our Android world is based on, have shown more wisdom and created the GPL, that forces everyone who wants to be part of this world to open source and to free their own variations of it, so thankfully people will always be able to remove components that restrict the user.
This is not a stance to enable privacy. This is a stance to oppose everybody who wants to place technical faculties in my OS that are able to prevent me from running whatever code I want (because at that precise moment, I do no longer own a personal universal computer). If enabling piracy is a side effect of preserving the freedom of an OS, then it's a small price to pay to preserve freedom. Thankfully again, it will always be possible to remove components from GPL software, even for "compiling wizards".
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See you are missing one thing. The fact that android is not licensed under the GPL. Only the Android kernel is under the GPL. The rest is apache, which means they can close source any part of the os they want. This is why things like Sense, Touch wiz, Zen, miui and all the others are closed sourced.
Guys whenever you create something with so much hardwork then you expect something in return of it. But if someone stealing those things then obviously you will oppose rather than allow it.
Open source has its own benefit and disadvantages. We have to decide in what way we have to use these things. Developers are protecting their hardwork. And its their right. We can't tell them what to do and what not to do.
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See you are missing one thing. The fact that android is not licensed under the GPL. Only the Android kernel is under the GPL. The rest is apache, which means they can close source any part of the os they want. This is why things like Sense, Touch wiz, Zen, miui and all the others are closed sourced.
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Yeah with "most" i was referring to the Linux Kernel, which I consider the most important part, as an environment to run APKs could theoretically be substituted. But even the Apache Licence for the Android project is OK for the purpose of retaining the user freedom, although the GPL would obviously be preferable. The most problematic part as far as I can see is the proprietary framework, but at least there are people willing to tackle that issue, like the μg Project..
@vishal24387:
It's well known, that someone who is giving larger contributions to an important free software project will get hired pretty fast. Please tell me of any disadvantage of Open Source (or more importantly of free/libre software, OpenSource without free licences is problematic of course).
Developers are free to think of ways to protect their software. That must not include having OS developers place restrictions on users who aren't even interested in their software.
A developer who believes that's the right way to protect his software can include those restrictions in his own binaries and use some of the Google API features to identify his paying users. In that case the issue of restricting the users freedom only affects those users who run that kind of non-free software.
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Yeah with "most" i was referring to the Linux Kernel, which I consider the most important part, as an environment to run APKs could theoretically be substituted. But even the Apache Licence for the Android project is OK for the purpose of retaining the user freedom, although the GPL would obviously be preferable. The most problematic part as far as I can see is the proprietary framework, but at least there are people willing to tackle that issue, like the μg Project..
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Not sure how you see that. The license states that they can do anything they want to the source and completely close it off like the privacy guard. They are making it closed sourced and there are many devs working on it to make it even stronger.
If you agree wit it or not really doesnt matter a whole lot. XDA is against warez and will support anything and everything to prevent the use of it. Like the module that disables the privacy guard which is now banned on XDA.
Not sure how you see that. The license states that they can do anything they want to the source and completely close it off like the privacy guard. They are making it closed sourced and there are many devs working on it to make it even stronger.
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The only Privacy Guard I'm aware of is a free software encryption tool, what component are you referring to specifically?
As long as the Free Software part of Android stays usable, closed source components are not an issue and can be removed. I don't care how many devs are making a closed source component stronger, as long as I can remove it from my system.
As soon as that's no longer an option, there'll definitely be forks to continue to be able to have projects like replicant.
If you agree wit it or not really doesnt matter a whole lot. XDA is against warez and will support anything and everything to prevent the use of it. Like the module that disables the privacy guard which is now banned on XDA.
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Anything and everything? If it's at the cost of the users freedom I'll regret my former donation to XDA and have to hope for it's downfall in the long run, but I'm pretty sure not everybody at XDA shares those drastic opinions.
For the most important and tedious parts, like fixes in drivers that are part of the GPL licenced kernel any work on XDA can be used by those who don't want to use certain other components even if all of XDA would endorse them (and I do not believe that's the case).
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The only Privacy Guard I'm aware of is a free software encryption tool, what component are you referring to specifically?
As long as the Free Software part of Android stays usable, closed source components are not an issue and can be removed. I don't care how many devs are making a closed source component stronger, as long as I can remove it from my system.
As soon as that's no longer an option, there'll definitely be forks to continue to be able to have projects like replicant.
Anything and everything? If it's at the cost of the users freedom I'll regret my former donation to XDA and have to hope for it's downfall in the long run, but I'm pretty sure not everybody at XDA shares those drastic opinions.
For the most important and tedious parts, like fixes in drivers that are part of the GPL licenced kernel any work on XDA can be used by those who don't want to use certain other components even if all of XDA would endorse them (and I do not believe that's the case).
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Then what your missing is the new privacy guard which is coded into the base OS which prevents things like freedom, lucky patcher and every warez market known at the time with more being added every day.
Maybe not everyone. Most users in China and India (Where warez are common place) dont really agree with it but all the mods have talked about it and agree Warez is not something XDA has now or ever will support.
This is not kernel based. That is what you are missing. This is coded into the base OS. The part that is not covered by the GPL.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/3eo8sj/antipiracy_measures_on_android_custom_roms/
Also remember that we are a developer forum. Made for and by developers. So we will back any and everything that rips them off of their rights to protect their software from being pirated.
Just posting a reminder that any rom posted here has to have the MI store removed from the rom. The app is banned as it provides warez.
You've effectively killed this forum, the only source of ROMs for our device. Thanks.
degrees089 said:
You've effectively killed this forum, the only source of ROMs for our device. Thanks.
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All it takes is having the app removed. Not really hard.
This app has been banned since the beginning of Xiaomi producing miui roms. It's nothing new.
zelendel said:
All it takes is having the app removed. Not really hard.
This app has been banned since the beginning of Xiaomi producing miui roms. It's nothing new.
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Well, if you say that this is so easy, please just give us direct instructions on how to remove this store without getting bootloop.
Go ahead.
domi.nos said:
Well, if you say that this is so easy, please just give us direct instructions on how to remove this store without getting bootloop.
Go ahead.
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There are Tuts on how to get gapps working.
I have never tried myself as these devices are banned from being own at my job so I'm not even allowed to get one. Nor would I ever.
Don't get mad at us. Get mad at them for excluding a warez market in their roms.
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Get mad at them for excluding a warez market in their roms.
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May be I do not know something.
I have tried to look for some warez there - I could not find anything.
anmg said:
May be I do not know something.
I have tried to look for some warez there - I could not find anything.
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Same. Some stupid policies and some stupid myths. Perhaps there used to be some sort of warez there accidentally and everyone is still being anal about it. As you can see mods don't really care about this phone. You can see by posts like "I would never get their devices". So childish
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Same. Some stupid policies and some stupid myths. Perhaps there used to be some sort of warez there accidentally and everyone is still being anal about it. As you can see mods don't really care about this phone. You can see by posts like "I would never get their devices". So childish
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market
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any proof please.
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any proof please.
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You can look yourself. Just do a compare between the 2 stores. That was part of the reasons why miui roms were banned for the longest time.
You have to remember that MIUI started here on xda before Xiaomi bought them out.
Warez or not, MI Store sucks ass, but banning ROMs is pointless, MIUI forum is trash, I still don't know how it works, and some ROM's has backdoors and for example, they send paid SMS to vietnam, That sh!t costed me 50 bucks!!!
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
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hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
khnoizer said:
hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
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If you look around the internet you will find all the stories you need. They are alos on the military banned list in the US due to ties with the Chinese military.
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It's not a matter of childish. I have many reason why I would never own one of their devices and that being the fact that the oem is on my jobs banned list.
Also all you have to do is look at any of the so called. Free apps that are paid apps on the Android market.
Make no mistake it was not accidental at all. China is known for things like this.
As for the mods. We have been around long enough to know the story with them so, no none of use would ever touch one of their devices. But that is pointless as it's up to the users to do something with it.
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If you look around the internet you will find all the stories you need. They are alos on the military banned list in the US due to ties with the Chinese military.
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Thank you, but I suppose if we use non MIUI rom such as cm, then these risk of using xiaomi devices is gone right? also, what do you think of Mokee Rom? As it's also made by chinese people, and you said that china is known for "something", is it might also poses similar risks?
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Thank you, but I suppose if we use non MIUI rom such as cm, then these risk of using xiaomi devices is gone right? also, what do you think of Mokee Rom? As it's also made by chinese people, and you said that china is known for "something", is it might also poses similar risks?
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. This is part of the reason for the great firewall of china. So spyware, malware and other software that helps in this are normally sponsered by the Military to help in doing just this.
I have never used it myself but as it is an open source based OS it should be good. You can see just what it is doing. The hard part will be the coding translations, as things dont always translate right.
Any non MIUI based rom should be ok. The problem with that is CM is normally buggy and all the roms use the patch rom setup which is never really stable nor is it something I would trust as that is injecting stuff into a rom that I cant VET.
In this day and age one has to be careful with all these new toys that are coming to many markets across the world.
Remember, You get what you pay for. So if something is too good to be true then you have to find the catch.
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. This is part of the reason for the great firewall of china. So spyware, malware and other software that helps in this are normally sponsered by the Military to help in doing just this.
I have never used it myself but as it is an open source based OS it should be good. You can see just what it is doing. The hard part will be the coding translations, as things dont always translate right.
Any non MIUI based rom should be ok. The problem with that is CM is normally buggy and all the roms use the patch rom setup which is never really stable nor is it something I would trust as that is injecting stuff into a rom that I cant VET.
In this day and age one has to be careful with all these new toys that are coming to many markets across the world.
Remember, You get what you pay for. So if something is too good to be true then you have to find the catch.
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Great explanation, Thank you, sir.
Um, sorry.. may i know what's happen here and why miui store shouldn't be here?
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First let me make one thing very clear. I have nothing against Chinese people that make software. You have to understand the Government that runs the country there, to have a small understanding. You see In china they have the right to monitor everything their citizens are doing on the internet. [ ... ] .
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You are right about the store, i was quite surprised when i found paid apps there. This is correct.
But i'm not sure if this is still the case, i saw them a year ago, now i couldn't find the apps,
maybe they've cleaned the store in meantime.
And a script removing apps isn't hard, just search for "updater-script remove apps".
BUT i've tried such script on Sony Xperia P, not in MIUI, i don't know if deleting Mi Store (com.xiaomi.mipicks) would cause bootloop or not.
I know that Mi Store enabled/disabled is region dependent, you can disable it when switching to another region in Beta rom.
But deleting? I know that when i've deleted Updater apk, or changed its permissions, it caused bootloop. Needs to be confirmed.
But with government spying - if you want to be honest - maybe we should ban all ROMs tied with Google, which means all Androids?
Remember about PRISM and Edward Snowden?
American's NSA (National Security Agency) ?
I have nothing to American people, just sayin.
But according to former CIA employee, Edward Snowden, Google joined to the NSA spying program in 14 Jan 2009.
I think that you simply have a choice - either give your personal data to American or to Chinese people. (or both).
You can minimize the risk by disabling for ex. Analytics app... etc.
But saying that chinese are spying... USA govt does the same
And better not looking for Echelon project...
But - the main topic here - yes, it's a good idea to remove Mi Store from roms.
One can always add it himself/herself, there are also other stores, F-droid, Aptoid, there is a choice
American companies aren't communist nor are they guilty of some of the most sever human rights violations in the world.
khnoizer said:
hey, I'm curious about these stories that made you stay away from xiaomi devices. May I ask for more information or maybe links about that? Thank you.
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