Anyone reckon when.its released open source a.port.would be possible?
If it's open source like android/AOSP it's definitely possible.
Will anyone actually make a port? Highly unlikely, as we dont have a lot of the driver source code.
Same reason we dont have cyanogen for the s5.
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Hello !
I just read these tweets by supercurio and Mathieulh which seemed to say that everything was now open sourced.
I had a SGS before buying this phone and they never were able to make a real full featured port of CM7 because of the issue of drivers not being open sourced, which was really too bad :/
Is it confirmed that all the drivers are now open source and porting CM will be much more easier than on the SGS? If so, this and the unlocked bootloader are really great news that Samsung listens to its customers.
Thanks for your help !
Will this make using the wii remote possible?
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Will this make using the wii remote possible?
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Yeah I was also thinking about this : now that the bluetooth stack is opensource, it should be possible, right?
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Hello !
I just read these tweets by supercurio and Mathieulh which seemed to say that everything was now open sourced.
I had a SGS before buying this phone and they never were able to make a real full featured port of CM7 because of the issue of drivers not being open sourced, which was really too bad :/
Is it confirmed that all the drivers are now open source and porting CM will be much more easier than on the SGS? If so, this and the unlocked bootloader are really great news that Samsung listens to its customers.
Thanks for your help !
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its not like that
some part are now open source (prolly a mistake lol), but some other parts aren't.
for example one of the issues with CM7 on the SGS is the RIL. It adds stuff in the framework (mainly to handle video calling over the regular network, aka not internet) and that's not open source.
also, Samsung put a good part of the (back side) camera logic in a non-open source library. I bet it's the same on the SGS2 even thus i haven't looked in details.
It usually goes on and on. ;-)
As a final note, the CM7 SGS kernel is 100% open source. it's just that some things have glue in the kernel, open source glue, and the real driver is inside userspace, proprietary and closed source.
Thanks for this detailed reply. If you manage to discover any other information, please tell me !
Ok. What exactly does one actually do when they are fixing source for their devices. Ive read how to build from source, which is essentially downloading the generic code from the google servers (correct me if im wrong)? Ive done some assembly coding with an HCS12 board in school and i wanted to know how hard it would be to build an ICS rom for my evo 3d from source. But what are devs actually doing after they build from source??
Is android truly opensource?
As I understand it, some of androids code is released under Apache License version 2.0, and some is released under GNU General Public License, both opensource licenses.
But in a discussion, someone has claimed that the core code of android is held by Google only, and is not released to public, and that only some of the code around the android core code is opensource, other code around the android core code is not opensource.
Is he right, or am I right in my thinking, that ALL of the android code is opensource, either under Apache License version 2.0 or under GNU General Public License?
Nobody to answer this one?
I would very much like to put the guy in place, if possible
I don't know but I do believe that Google have reserved the right to keep or delay what they want to.
For example, they never and have no intend to release Honeycomb source codes.
Are they violating??? I don't know but if they do, things already heat up.
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Is android truly opensource?
As I understand it, some of androids code is released under Apache License version 2.0, and some is released under GNU General Public License, both opensource licenses.
But in a discussion, someone has claimed that the core code of android is held by Google only, and is not released to public, and that only some of the code around the android core code is opensource, other code around the android core code is not opensource.
Is he right, or am I right in my thinking, that ALL of the android code is opensource, either under Apache License version 2.0 or under GNU General Public License?
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Android is true open source, and the code is widely available on the web, buts that's aosp. Proprietary things like radio binaries, and custom guis from manufacturers (eg touchwiz from Samsung) are not, so the code for thses is not
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I don't know but I do believe that Google have reserved the right to keep or delay what they want to.
For example, they never and have no intend to release Honeycomb source codes.
Are they violating??? I don't know but if they do, things already heat up.
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I know about HC source code, and also know that Google claims that to be a special situation ... Have no idea whether Google are violating license terms or not, they very well could be.
But that's not what I'm after, not for such one time situation, it's the general situation I'm interested in.
When Google releases source code, do they release everything, or are they withholding something, core code or other, or both?
What I have read so fare, Google releases ALL code under the 2 different opensource licenses, but I can't really be sure.
My thoughts are also, that CM wouldn't be possible, if Google don't release all android code ... The only thing I have ever read, is that the problems with CM releases is specific hardware related code, that has nothing to do with android code itself ... But again, I can't be really sure, I'm not a developer and don't have the technical knowledge to proper argue this point.
I would very much like, if someone could provide me with the proper arguments to put this guy in place, maybe even direct me to sites, that will show him the error of his ways
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Android is true open source, and the code is widely available on the web, buts that's aosp. Proprietary things like radio binaries, and custom guis from manufacturers (eg touchwiz from Samsung) are not, so the code for thses is not
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I guess that those things are hardware specific or specific to the phone manufacturers, and has to do with the hardware manufacturers and not with android itself?
Here you go mate: http://source.android.com/source/downloading.html
Extra info in the side bar on the left as well.
All of Android is Open Source; however as others have stated - manufacturers will develop their own radios and such (eg: Imagine buying a laptop with Ubuntu installed on it - the OS is open source, but the firmware for your WLAN adapter inside the laptop might not be)
Has anyone use this yet? It seems powerful sshd. However, it require installing digicontrol that does not list if it is gpl or what...not sure if that is trustable?
Dropbear does not work for me, I got sh: /usr/libsec/sftp-server. File not found whenever I connect to it...so I'm looking for another open source SSHD.
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Has anyone use this yet? It seems powerful sshd. However, it require installing digicontrol that does not list if it is gpl or what...not sure if that is trustable?
Dropbear does not work for me, I got sh: /usr/libsec/sftp-server. File not found whenever I connect to it...so I'm looking for another open source SSHD.
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You may check GPL and Apache 2.0 part of source code... dropbear is binary, all patches published. All other (like DigiControl) is wrapper. You may trust it not more than other close source programs on you phone. But it is much more then other fully closed application at market. Hope it will be useful, because version 0.2.x published with help of users.
I am unable to open it absolutely all components, but I hope that it will be real in future when the project would be mature.
It is alpha software!. There are still some problems with stability and some features not implemented. But it worked.
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You may trust it not more than other close source programs on you phone. But it is much more then other fully closed application at market. Hope it will be useful, because version 0.2.x published with help of users.
I am unable to open it absolutely all components, but I hope that it will be real in future when the project would be mature.
It is alpha software!. There are still some problems with stability and some features not implemented. But it worked.
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Thanks for making it freebie. You are right on less closed source than others. Reason I was nervous was because instead of 1 piece implementation, it was 2 piece where the 2nd piece was closed source. As a user, I wasn't sure why it was done that way when most others did it all in 1 implementation. I guess you just want to protect your hardwork and didn't want to give it away or get gobbled up as part the GPL license which is understandable. Anyway, I did tried it earlier, it worked on Vibrant CM9. It seems like a powerful tool but the gui seems to make it complex to understand at first. I'll keep using it for awhile and let you know how it goes.
Note, I'm a noob when it comes to android development, but I fail to give up on this phone.
We have cyanogenmod 7 up and running, with HWA, camcorder, lapdock, usb host capabilities. The drivers for this are open source (I assume, because it is officially supported by the CM devs up to v7, and if not, motorola has release the sources up to GB). Other phones have had the same type of deal, but they have had drivers developed for them.
ICS was leaked for the GSM Atrix 4G and everything was functional (with a few freezes and force quits in between). What's stopping us from using what they have?
I remember Cybik stating he had the ICS leak running on the Photon with some special sauce but was not allowed to speak of it or release it. I'd say the info is out there to run ICS & JB on our devices but everyone is afraid to release it as I think its code from Motorola and don't want to be sued. I believe our drivers are more complicated and it really helps to have source code to start with to help out. Who knows maybe we have an unknown/known Dev that will crack the code someday. By the sound of it probably not
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I remember Cybik stating he had the ICS leak running on the Photon with some special sauce but was not allowed to speak of it or release it. I'd say the info is out there to run ICS & JB on our devices but everyone is afraid to release it as I think its code from Motorola and don't want to be sued. I believe our drivers are more complicated and it really helps to have source code to start with to help out. Who knows maybe we have an unknown/known Dev that will crack the code someday. By the sound of it probably not
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Thanks for the heads up! Have any ideas of how to contact him?