Some great news.. the evo view 4g is now officially unlockable from HTC via htcdev.com. hope to see some magic happen now
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Thx for info ThoughtHalo, the skilled dev above me (globatron) actually brought us to the dev game in HC before HTC.. That's the greatness of XDA, were always ahead of the game.
So what does this mean for us with stock GB looking to go to HC but want root?
It means now you should be able to flash a recovery and install a superuser zip
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
contradude said:
this still sucks compared to s-off. really wish HTC would stop shafting it's loyal customers so hard. It's like they want us to buy galaxy tabs :-(.
at least all of the updaters have a way to root now.
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It means more than that, they've given us a way to roll back to GB, which in turn means that OTA updaters can get S-OFF after all.
It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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It means now we can also just fastboot flash everything regardless of what firmware we are on which is even better.
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If you rollback to GB and S-OFF then yes, otherwise you are way off the mark, it doesn't even come close to allowing you to do that.
With an unlocked bootloader, you should be able to flash new recoveries and other things...unlocked from HTC is the same as S-off. It allows the flashing of unsigned firmware. Unless this device is unlike every other device I've had from HTC, I'm pretty sure I'm correct.
Although since I never had to use it on any of my devices (Never had something like Evo 3D) then I might be incorrect. However, based off my thoughts as an unlocked bootloader means you can flash new recovery, boot, and OTA updates that are unsigned / have broken signatures.
If you're happy with it fine, but you're misinformed. It's really not the same as S-OFF at all as many including myself have already explained. I can't be bothered with repeating the explanations again.
I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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I apologize for being mistaken but provide information so I can be correct in the future
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Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
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Well one difference I know about between soff and htc unlock is that you have to fastboot flash kernels and recoveries you cant flash them through cwm when the device is only htc unlocked, however you can get fastboot to flash them, at least thats how it is on the evo 3d.
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10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
That's good news... I'd assume I need to be back to the stock RUU S-ON to unlock it? As I already have the Rev. S-Off on my View now.
If it's not going to break it then I'll just go have it unlock it now.
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10 points for mark
flashing radios;custom(or stock) RUUs when unlocked; downgradability (not blocked on stock view hboot this time);but the s-off hboot protects itself from getting replaced so no nasty OTA surprises;bypassing CID restrictions, there are a few more but they are probably of no interest to most people.
EDIT: Yeah, also forgot HTC unlock erases your DRM keys.
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But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
GadgetMonger said:
But all root apps work right? And you can still flash radios and custom RUUs through the bootloader, correct? And taking OTA's isn't smart when rooted either way. So what are the consequences of losing the DRM keys?
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Correct, you can root and all apps will work, Wrong; go read, can't do radios or RUUS, Normally it's perfectly fine with a stock recovery and a protected hboot.
DRM keys are not really a problem unless you bought from watch or some other built-in thing like that.
Honestly, I couldn't care less which people do, but unlock is a pain for developers to deal with and frustrating when flashing roms. But I dislike incorrect statements like saying S-OFF and unlock are the same thing.
While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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While its a "half assed s-off through fast boot, its still technically an s-off. Just not proper. So they aren't the same, just similar. They aren't however what people WANT on their devices.
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Do this. Unlock with the HTC method then boot to bootloader. You will notice that your device is telling you that it is unlocked but still s-on. As far as I know s-on means exactly that and not "half assed" s-off. I dont think you're understanding the difference.
No I understand the difference. S-off means the entire device is no longer secured at all. You can flash anything from the device. With unlock, you can only flash using fast boot and you can't flash certain things like radios etc. Only kernels, recovery, and downgrading RUU's
Therefore, its a "halfassed" s-off
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Hi guys. I'm still a complete newbie to all this development stuff. I'm just absolutely blown away by what work the developers do here and their specialized knowledge. I'm still having trouble differentiating between a rom, kernel and radio for instance, so I'm easily impressed, lol. Even though I read these threads and try to do my homework, I'm still coming up short on some answers.
Thankfully by following some detailed steps, I was somehow able to unlock the bootloader on my Rezound and get it rooted. Now I'm hearing exclusive to HTC phones are S-OFF and S-ON. Mine is S-ON. I'm hearing that there hasn't been a way to get S-OFF yet, right? I believe S-OFF is only on select Rezounds out of the box, maybe some special, developer units or whatnot?
I believe my phone now is pretty much to doing anything except for flashing custom radios thanks to S-ON right? Aside from that, is there anything else I should know? Is having S-ON really that much of a detriment?
Thanks a lot!
This what I have gathered. You can do same thing as everyone else just in a different way. We can still flash kernels and recoveries, but in a different way. You are correct, with S-off we can't flash radios or SPL. In reality we shouldn't be messing with that stuff in the first place. Really the only major difference between S-off guys and us is we use fastboot more often.
I have read that you can't flash radios with s-on.
This is turning into the blind leading the blind thread. lol. (including myself in this comment )
Can Flash:
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Can't Flash
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Radio
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Can Flash:
System
Boot(Fastboot/HBOOT Only)
Recovery(Fastboot/HBOOT Only)
Data
Cache
Can't Flash
HBOOT
Radio
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Con is absolutely right, but considering you're a newbie; You have complete freedom with everything you're capable of wanting/willing to do to your phone(Assuming you are actually a newbie!)
Hey guys, anyone have advice on whether or not to use HtcDev unlock method or wait for another method? I have a protection plan through Best Buy and they don't even check to see if its been "tampered" or not if I need a replacement. I am coming from EVO 3D and had hboot v1.4 so I never needed to use the HTC method. Just curious if it is harder to flash Roms and kernels with HTC method I guess. Thanks for the help in advance and its great to see such great devs working on this great phone already.
For the 3d it was a little harder, but not sure if that's the case for the LTE. I am personally gonna wait for s-off, but there is an app that let's you flash kernels without going through fastboot. Flashimage GUI I'm sure it will have to be updated to work with the LTE if It's even needed.
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There is no s-off right now, but there are custom recoveries that work with the HTCDev unlock. Which means, custom roms and backups.
So am I correct in assuming that htcdev unlock with a custom recovery will function the same as s-off in terms of flashing roms, kernels, etc.? Also I should be able to still execute an s-off after performing the htcdev unlock, correct? I would hate to do the htc unlock method and then not be able to get s-off... Thanks again guys!
I have a similar question. When i use HTC dev to unlock, they will keep track. Do they notify sprint that my phone is no longer stock? Can you htc dev LOCK, so as to get it back to normal? I kinda don't even want to root if I have to let HTC know that I'm doing it by htc dev.
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I have a similar question. When i use HTC dev to unlock, they will keep track. Do they notify sprint that my phone is no longer stock? Can you htc dev LOCK, so as to get it back to normal? I kinda don't even want to root if I have to let HTC know that I'm doing it by htc dev.
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When you dev unlock HTC keeps the sn of your phone on file as being unlocked, I doubt they say anything to Sprint though. Even if you relock HTC still knows. I would give it a couple weeks and see if we get s-off if not then you might want to reconsider htcs method.
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So am I correct in assuming that htcdev unlock with a custom recovery will function the same as s-off in terms of flashing roms, kernels, etc.? Also I should be able to still execute an s-off after performing the htcdev unlock, correct? I would hate to do the htc unlock method and then not be able to get s-off... Thanks again guys!
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Not sure about s-off after unlock though I don't see why you couldn't, but on the 3d with the HTC unlock method you had to either fastboot into recovery through adb or use flashimage GUI to flash kernels.
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First off htc dev sucks. I had it for a while on my evo 3d with hboot 1.5 and it was terrible and I was dying from being confused on how to flash roms. It worked great for some people and for others like me it didn't. So far right now i'm htcdev unlocked and it's fine I guess. Of course once we get s-off i'll totally go that way as s-off is soooooo much better than the dev unlock.
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First off htc dev sucks. I had it for a while on my evo 3d with hboot 1.5 and it was terrible and I was dying from being confused on how to flash roms. It worked great for some people and for others like me it didn't. So far right now i'm htcdev unlocked and it's fine I guess. Of course once we get s-off i'll totally go that way as s-off is soooooo much better than the dev unlock.
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Yeah I heard it was terrible on the 3D, luckily I had hboot 1.4 so I had s-off... Is it as terrible with the LTE? It seems to me that with clockworkmod recovery and htcdev unlock you are able to flash zips the same as with s-off. Don't know if I am correct on that though...
I thought I read that somewhere too. If that's the case HTC dev unlock would be fine with me.
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durandetto said:
I thought I read that somewhere too. If that's the case HTC dev unlock would be fine with me.
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Yea me too, I have already registered with the htcdev website just awaiting confirmation that I can flash zips as usual...
Use TWRP. That recovery writes to boot, the security flag dont matter with this phone like it did with the 3D. Once your unlocked (HTC way) you can always relock very easily. The first time I flashed a recovery it stuck on the first try unlike the 3D with hboot 1.5.
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Use TWRP. That recovery writes to boot, the security flag dont matter with this phone like it did with the 3D. Once your unlocked (HTC way) you can always relock very easily. The first time I flashed a recovery it stuck on the first try unlike the 3D with hboot 1.5.
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Yea thats what I seem to be reading. It seems if you just flash the ruu that it will re-lock the phone as if it was never done. Sounds great, I will try it out tonight! Thanks guys
HTC unlocked last night no problems. Also rooted first in under a min on Friday night after I picked the phone up. use Goo manager in the market to install TWRP after HTC unlocked, very easy. flashed viper ROM today, and everything is fast and sweet. Don't know what U are all waiting for, go ahead.
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HTC unlocked last night no problems. Also rooted first in under a min on Friday night after I picked the phone up. use Goo manager in the market to install TWRP after HTC unlocked, very easy. flashed viper ROM today, and everything is fast and sweet. Don't know what U are all waiting for, go ahead.
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Cool Ryan thanks for the confirmation I will be rooting and unlocking tonight!
Now if the htc unlock allows us to write to boot to flash recovery and kernels, would there even be a reason to wait for dev S-off? besides not having to register with htc?
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Now if the htc unlock allows us to write to boot to flash recovery and kernels, would there even be a reason to wait for dev S-off? besides not having to register with htc?
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Flashing different radios, I believe. Can't do that without S-OFF.
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Use TWRP. That recovery writes to boot, the security flag dont matter with this phone like it did with the 3D. Once your unlocked (HTC way) you can always relock very easily. The first time I flashed a recovery it stuck on the first try unlike the 3D with hboot 1.5.
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Just to clarify: So unlocking via the HTC method, installing this and then un-rooting with the RUU (if necessary) won't show any evidence of 'tampering', correct?
It might not show any evedence but HTC will know, they keep track of what phones are unlocked. That's why you go through the whole process with the unlock codes.
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I dont understand what anybody cares if you register with HTC or not. I have insurance with Sprint and I have taken my phone to them to get repaired without any problems.
Hello fellow xda forum-goers
First, to start out, I will lay out a list of my previously owned phones...
Samsung Epic 4G -> Nexus S 4G -> HTC Evo 4G LTE
I have to say I am a bit confused when it comes to gaining root access on this particular phone. It is my first HTC branded phone and I have noticed that there are some changes/discussion with regards to rooting/flashing it.
There seems to be a commotion or skepticism with regards to achieving root with this phone, something about S-Off and your phone becoming tampered. What is the reason for not wanting to root your phone now and why? What exactly does S-Off and tampered status do?
Edit: Also what is with the whole RUU/Unlock debate? Am I voiding my warrenty or taking any risks with only rooting the phone? What cant I do with just a simple root?
Thanks again!
A little search a little read the sickies in the development section will do wonders
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A comparison
Rooting and S-Off are separate entities.
Rooting
Allows superuser permissions that you otherwise do not have. It presumably gets its name from having access to the 'root folders and files' where the phone's OS stuff is and where the devs alter things to make our phones neater! After rooting, you can tether, back up your app data using something like Titanium back up. SetCPU is a root-app that allows you to over and underclock the CPU, but I don't know how this app is compatible with the EVO LTE. There are other apps that are useful, but not really for me. Some taboo apps like Wifikill and droidsheep require root as well but have been pulled from the market, for obvious reasons. Rooting voids warranty, but you can unroot and no one will know.
S-Off
S-Off is a security flag. You can have root and be S-On. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but S-off = unlocked bootloader. And unlocked bootloader means that you can flash ROMs that have not been digitally signed by HTC (you can flash custom roms made by developers here). The only ROMs you can flash with S-On are RUUs, ROMs from HTC in this case. Also, having an unlocked bootloader allows you to install a custom recovery. A custom recovery is handy because you can create a Nandroid back up of your phone. Kind of like an image of a PC. If you mess your phone up, you can restore it to a mirror image of whenever you created the Nandroid. Also, custom recoveries are where you flash custom ROMs and MODs that developers make. Unlocking your bootloader/gaining S-Off voids your warranty. And with htc-dev, which lets you unlock the bootloader, HTC pretty much can keep track of who voids their warranty. If you wait a while, some Dev around here should whip up some way to S-off without HTC knowing. the Rewal method currently posted in the And-Development forum for EVO LTE might do this, I'm not sure.
So... in summary...
Rooting
Use cool apps
Tether
Super user permissions
S-Off/Unlocked bootloader
Custom recovery
Flash custom ROMS and MODS
Create Nandroid Backups
I think thats it. Someone correct any misinformation I gave.
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Oh, and as for the tampered questions, when you gain root access, htc put in some code that in the bootloader is says TAMPERED. But unrooting removes this.
Thanks again typhoonikan for the helpful understanding of the in's and out's of my phone!
So basically I can root/unroot without fear because I am able to revert the phone back if I had any problems.
The only risk is unlocking the bootloader via HTC because regardless of what you do, HTC will always know that your phone has been bootloader unlocked.
Basically the only reason we need S-off is to flash radios and also to be able to do that without it showing that our phones have been messed with/unlocked.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but S-off = unlocked bootloader.
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You are wrong.
You can have an unlocked bootloader and still be S-On (this is exactly what HTCDev unlock does).
A rooted phone can run root-only apps and allows you to access the root file system.
An unlocked bootloader allows you to install a custom recovery where you can flash ROMs, but may or may not allow flashing of kernels and will usually not allow you to flash radios.
S-Off allows you to flash radios and other protected NAND partitions.
S-Off, to my knowledge as of 6/4/2012, has not yet been obtained on the EVO 4G LTE, though you can root and unlock the bootloader. But you really only need S-Off if you want to flash different radios.
In summary:
S-Off + Root + Unlocked bootloader (with custom recovery) allows you to do anything with the phone.
S-On + Root + Unlocked bootloader (with custom recovery) allows you to do anything EXCEPT flash radios.
S-off also allows you to change the splash screen
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S-off also allows you to change the splash screen
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And custom kernels
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And custom kernels
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Actually on this device you can change kernels wit S-ON
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Actually on this device you can change kernels wit S-ON
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Yep, you can basically do everything with S-ON. Kernels, roms, boot screen, etc.
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Yep, you can basically do everything with S-ON. Kernels, roms, boot screen, etc.
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Pretty sure splash screens are no go's with S-ON. But i could be wrong since on this phone you can do kernels unlike the OG and the 3D
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Just a quick question, will using HTCDev unlock require me to wipe all my data?
filmaker said:
Just a quick question, will using HTCDev unlock require me to wipe all my data?
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Yes it will
I really wish we could get all this information in a sticky, seeing how the question gets repeated numerous times.
I would be more than happy to write up this information if need be, even make a few diagrams/charts for the visual learners like myself
<MOD EDIT>
THIS IS NOT SAFE FOR REGAINING S-OFF
DO NOT PERFORM THIS METHOD IF YOU WISH TO KEEP S-OFF
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So i didnt want to wait for the devs to update thier roms, and i wanted the radio updates as well. for all those ppl say not to do the OTA you will losew root until a new method is found are not correct. Yes you will lose root, but you can get it back. and its easy. Here are the steps
1. Relock boot loader
2. apply RUU for the same rom version you are running http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645890
3. rerun RegawMOD EVO 4G LTE Rooter
3a. It will sucessfully unlock and flash the recovery on your phone, but it will fail to root it.
3b. Download the rooting files http://downloadandroidrom.com/file/HTCEvo4GLTE/rooting/Evo4GLTERoot2.zip
4. Extract the contents of the zip file
5. Copy the file CWM-SuperSU-v0.87.zip to your SD card
6. Reboot to recovery
7. Flash CWM-SuperSU-v0.87.zip
8. Reboot to system and Viola you have have a rooted install
But can you still unlock with Lazy Panda?
EDIT: I realize you can unlock with the RegawMod unlock, but I have no doubt HTC's unlock tool will work.
Try to lazy panda your new hboot
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Try to lazy panda your new hboot
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This is really the main(only?) concern.
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You are not correct. People are not saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose root", they're saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose the ability to S-OFF".
This happened with the Evo 3D. We had S-OFF for HBOOT 1.4, and then an OTA comes that upgrades to HBOOT 1.5. The S-OFF exploit was patched with 1.5, making it damn near impossible to S-OFF.
Seriously. If you're even remotely considering S-OFF, don't bother with applying the OTA. Wait for ROM devs to incorporate the OTA into their custom ROMs, because they will do it in a way that doesn't change your HBOOT or any other sensitive partition.
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You are not correct. People are not saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose root", they're saying "Don't do the OTA because you'll lose the ability to S-OFF".
This happened with the Evo 3D. We had S-OFF for HBOOT 1.4, and then an OTA comes that upgrades to HBOOT 1.5. The S-OFF exploit was patched with 1.5, making it damn near impossible to S-OFF.
Seriously. If you're even remotely considering S-OFF, don't bother with applying the OTA. Wait for ROM devs to incorporate the OTA into their custom ROMs, because they will do it in a way that doesn't change your HBOOT or any other sensitive partition.
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Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Dude, just listen to LiquidSolstice on this one. DO NOT OTA an already S-OFF PHONE! Literally in a few hours we will probably have a stock / rooted ROM posted. Just have patience.
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Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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The compelling reason to S-OFF is the fact that HTC and Sprint are never made aware in the slightest that you have done anything to your phone. The Dev unlock runs and tells HTC and Sprint that you are messing with your device. If done correctly, S-OFF gives you complete unfettered access to your phone, and with the proper tools, you can ensure you don't have to deal with the warning text on the screen that almost criminalizes you for having the audacity to unlock your phone.
People who are S-ON and HTC Dev unlocked ultimately run into strange issues down the road. You just wait until full AOSP comes around. On the Evo 3D, it was a nightmare. Even on the One-X, they're having issues because their boot partition is still locked and they can't use custom kernels (though I don't think that's as much of an issue with our phones).
S-OFF is so easy to perform, and the ONLY type of soft-brick that sometimes happens when performing it can be easily fixed with a dedicated tool. There is literally no downside to being S-OFF.
HseloMein said:
with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF
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I'd love to see you have the H-boot say S-ON and ***locked*** while still rooted
While your at it, go ahead try to remove the red HTC text as well.
HseloMein said:
Sure you may lose the ability to "S-OFF" but in all honesty, with these phones I can do every thing with S-ON, that you can do with S-OFF, except i have a couple of extra steps. Honestly the only reason i would S-OFF is to flash the radios easier. but how many times do you acutually flash a different radio to your phone? I do about every time there is a new update.
This is really for the people the HTC and RegawMod Unlock. Lazy Panda ppl continue to heed the disclaimer. I have no desire to completly S-OFF, unless someone can come with with a compelling reason to do so.
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Lol so much fail. Good luck with that bro. I'm keeping my s-off
No one should follow this guy. You better hope it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.
And you sir are in denial.
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Rxpert said:
I'd love to see you have the H-boot say S-ON and ***locked*** while still rooted
While your at it, go ahead try to remove the red HTC text as well.
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And although this may seem like just a visual thing, I have a friend who sent his phone in Dev unlocked and they denied his Google Wallet claim to replace the phone.
He then got his phone S-OFF'd through LazyPanda, changed the bootloader text, and sent it in again, and granted, I didn't think it would go through, but they accepted it that time.
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And although this may seem like just a visual thing, I have a friend who sent his phone in Dev unlocked and they denied his Google Wallet claim to replace the phone.
He then got his phone S-OFF'd through LazyPanda, changed the bootloader text, and sent it in again, and granted, I didn't think it would go through, but they accepted it that time.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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While I respect your choice, I must also respectfully disagree with it. Regardless of what I think, you did take the time to explain how to re-root, and for that, I can't fault you. Thanks for your contribution.
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Well that is a compelling reason for me, but i still think the 1st post is good for ppl that do not want to S-OFF after doing an HTC unlock. Im sure there are other users out there like me. The disclaimers and watermarks dont bother me in the slightest.
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A recognized developer warning us should be enough reason.
OMG pbedard thanking my post? The world has just ended, lol.
Nice to see you again pbedard
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if you do accept the new update and lose S-OFF can you not just run the original RUU to get back to the release image which allows you to S-OFF again?
Once you apply the ota it installs a new hboot that blocks the current s-off method so keep that in mind. I don't know if running a ruu reverts the hboot.
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RoidPusher said:
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but if you do accept the new update and lose S-OFF can you not just run the original RUU to get back to the release image which allows you to S-OFF again?
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Nope. Keep your hboot. It can be difficult if not impossible to downgrade hboot.
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HseloMein, would you mind editing the title of this thread (maybe add [S-ON] at the beginning) to indicate that it may affect the ability to get S-OFF in the future.
david279 said:
Once you apply the ota it installs a new hboot that blocks the current s-off method so keep that in mind. I don't know if running a ruu reverts the hboot.
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Is this fact or assumption on the HBOOT Update? I'm S-off and no damn way am I taking the update BUT I thought I'd ask just for general knowledge. Back on the 3D, while we did get the HBOOT update, at least if you were S-off before the HBOOT update you held on to that and weren't stuck like chuck with HBOOT 1.50.000, what a nightmare. We were able to downgrade the HBOOT as long as you were S-off but why go through all that pain. I guess the saving grace here is that we really do have a pretty good "official" Dev unlock that doensn't totally screw you like the half baked unlock we got from HTC for the EVO 3D.
I need to get the word out to any and all LTE owners I know to not take it before I can S-off their phones.... might be a busy rest of the week! :laugh:
Thanks
Forgive me for starting a new thread; I've utilized the search here and some Google-fu, but still have questions for the community.
I recently upgraded to an HTC Rezound from a Thunderbolt, and have accepted the stock OTA ICS update last weekend.
This has not stopped me from Rooting the device, however. Using an All-In-One Toolkit downloaded here, I was able to Unlock the Bootloader, Install custom Recovery (ClockWorkMod Touch), and have SU flashed. All signs point to root, but I would like to know a few things.
- Is there currently any method of acquiring S-OFF, other than the juopunutBear "Wire Trick"? It sounds incredibly risky, and I feel a bit hesitant to try it connecting pins on the back of my phone with insulated wire... I would like to have S-OFF, in case I want to roll back using a PH98IMG.zip
After rooting, I noticed that the text ****TAMPERED**** appears above the UNLOCKED line when I power on into HBOOT. Is this normal? Or have I messed things up? The best answer I have gleaned so far is from another device's forum, and that this simply indicates that I have root.
Would love to hear some feedback. This is my 5th Smartphone starting with the G1, and I have rooted every single one within days. Only the Rezound seems to be the trickiest for me.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
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big_mike_2k6 said:
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
deadsoulboy said:
Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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You don't need to be s-off to flash a Rom but you do need to flash the kernel separate in hboot when you're s-on. When you're s-off you don't have to. I myself usually stay fairly close to stock with a few tweaks here and there and of course Verizons crap long gone.
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One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
deadsoulboy said:
One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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No you'll be fine doing it on your current version. You can use the file from the unlimited.io site for the 3.14.605.05 ics leak it works with the official ics update.
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i know clockwork will bork your device im not sure if the touch version does the same thing.
I recommend installing Amon Ra recovery or TWRP.
If i helped thanks me