I don't know how to say this in a correct manor so I hope I don't get banned for this [email protected]#$ Motorola! I am serious pissed with Motorola now.
I feel lied to...even though they didn't promise anything they said they intended to unlock bootloaders late this year....well there are now 2 days left in the year....how much later can they wait?
I know they said "with carrier approval" well apparently VZW for one approves as the Galaxy Nexus has an unlockable bootloader and now this thread comes out.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-unlocks-all-its-verizon-and-att-bootloaders/
am I missing something here? Or were we decieved....again
Apparently Verizon won't let Motorola unlock their phones.
Someone probably signed a really crappy contract back in the day.
HTC, Samsung etc has a lot more leverage and money.
Since Moto was on the brink of bancrupcy for a long time, I guess they signed some panic-treaty.
The rest of the world isn't getting the 4g razr either.
I thought it's going to be unlocked after ICS update?
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I thought it's going to be unlocked after ICS update?
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That was what I have been reading on some other forums.
milf33 said:
I thought it's going to be unlocked after ICS update?
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How long after, a year two years?
nerdslogic said:
I don't know how to say this in a correct manor so I hope I don't get banned for this [email protected]#$ Motorola! I am serious pissed with Motorola now.
I feel lied to...even though they didn't promise anything they said they intended to unlock bootloaders late this year....well there are now 2 days left in the year....how much later can they wait?
I know they said "with carrier approval" well apparently VZW for one approves as the Galaxy Nexus has an unlockable bootloader and now this thread comes out.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-unlocks-all-its-verizon-and-att-bootloaders/
am I missing something here? Or were we decieved....again
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You are confused and you can't believe everything you read on the interwebs. Motorola NEVER promised you or any of us it would unlock the bootloaders. If you can find where they did, I would love to be proven wrong.
If an unlocked bootloader is so important to you, I would seriously take your Moto phone back to the store and get the Nexus.
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You are confused and you can't believe everything you read on the interwebs. Motorola NEVER promised you or any of us it would unlock the bootloaders. If you can find where they did, I would love to be proven wrong.
If an unlocked bootloader is so important to you, I would seriously take your Moto phone back to the store and get the Nexus.
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You are confused and you can't believe everything you read on the interwebs. Motorola NEVER promised you or any of us it would unlock the bootloaders. If you can find where they did, I would love to be proven wrong.
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I googled for less than a minute. Do research yourself next time, okay?
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2011/10/24/ice-cream-and-bootloaders-and-motorola-–-oh-my/
"It’s our plan to offer an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on the Motorola XOOM, in future software releases starting later this year, where operator and channel partners will allow it."
Now, if there's one thing we all know about Moto, it's that they're terrible with dates. So if you're looking forward to it, don't expect it until the ICS update, because I doubt they will make an update just for the sake of unlocking bootloaders. They originally DID say that ICS was coming later this year, after all. I don't know if they'll fight for it as hard as Google/HTC did to get Verizon to agree with them, though. The way they have it worded is very... laid-back sounding. Kind of more like a "hey is this okay? no? alright we won't do that" approach
"It’s our plan to offer an unlockable/relockable bootloader, currently found on the Motorola XOOM, in future software releases starting later this year, where operator and channel partners will allow it."
thats not a promise just a statement :/
Agreed.
Unlocking bootloader is a simple thing. Knowing Moto's track record and their laxness on this phone, how can we believe that ICS is even going to come this year, if at all?
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If an unlocked bootloader is so important to you, I would seriously take your Moto phone back to the store and get the Nexus.
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Thanks for the advice....that is exactly what I did
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I googled for less than a minute. Do research yourself next time, okay?
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2011/10/24/ice-cream-and-bootloaders-and-motorola-–-oh-my/
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"... where operator and channel partners will allow it"
THAT MEANS it's completely up to Verizon.
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"... where operator and channel partners will allow it"
THAT MEANS it's completely up to Verizon.
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like I said....nexus and now all HTC devices are being unlocked.....only Motorola's are not
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Apparently Verizon won't let Motorola unlock their phones.
Someone probably signed a really crappy contract back in the day
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Then care to explain why the Motorola milestone was encrypted, while the Droid wasn't? I can count the number of un-encrypted devices that Motorola has released...worldwide with one hand.
If Verizon is against unlocked bootloaders then why are they allowing the galaxy nexus on their network? Or allowing HTC to unlock their devices?
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"... where operator and channel partners will allow it"
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It's more corporate laziness than actually the carriers decision. Honestly, Motorola must be hiding something in their phones to be so uptight about unlocking the bootloader.
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I really dont get why people complains about Motorola. As I know the decision to get this phone its our, Im agree with you in the idea that Motorola its making a really mistake blocking the bootloader but as I tell you before the decision its yours. Simply dont get the phone.
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Help us by signing the petition to achieve 7500 signatures.
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Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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And that's why HTC and Sony Ericsson have been unlocking the bootloaders of their phones right?
You obviously don't have a clue so please stop replying nonsense!
Why don't you just show some support and sign the damn petition so that we can at least have a chance of finally being heard...
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Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
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Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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The answer to your post.
HTC is going to unlock bootloaders for their future devices. And that could lead to loosing partnership with many carriers. As for existing phones - here is what I've asked to motorola support:
Customer By Web Form (Artur Korobeynyk) 26/01/2012 04.19 PM
Hi! I've just purchased your Motorola Photon 4G device of a Sprint Carrier here in Ukraine. It is a used phone, but in my country I have no other option. Best of your devices (like Photon, some Droids) are not available officially here as those are bound to some US carriers. And I wanted Photon so much. I read somewhere that Motorola is capable of unlocking devices for use with any sim card with some specific activation code. If that is true, than how can I get this kind of service (of course I understand that it should not be free of charge)
[---001:001577:29164---]
Response Via Email (Adriana) 27/01/2012 12.33 PM
Customer Reference number:120127-003406
Dear Mr. Korobeynyk,
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
In response to your query, please note that Motorola is not unlocking devices, this network provider who locked the phone to their SIM cards should do this. You can contact them for unlocking code or you can try to contact repair center in Ukraine ( +380442963572 )
Kind regards,
Adriana
Motorola Mobility
+7 (499) 9228668
Beach_Head said:
And that's why HTC and Sony Ericsson have been unlocking the bootloaders of their phones right?
You obviously don't have a clue so please stop replying nonsense!
Why don't you just show some support and sign the damn petition so that we can at least have a chance of finally being heard...
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HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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If that were true then why are they launching the Galaxy Nexus which has an unlockable/relockable bootloader?
I suggest you brush up on the subject a little more seeing as your "understanding" of it is a mis-understanding of it!
FYI, an unlocked bootloader won't do **** to the carrier or its network otherwise, Google wouldn't be doing it via their Nexus devices. And CM development would've stopped at version 1 instead of being at version 9 right now...
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HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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halfdriven said:
HTC unclocked and had repercussions, one being Sprint never approved it.
The petition will get no where when aimed at OM's, if you really understood it you would focus on vendors. They set the requirements, one being they do not want rouge devices on their networks.
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Dude, you spent more effort being a tool than just signing the petition (or not).
It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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+1
tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
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+1
tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
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Hey genius, if you had noticed, I thanked CCallahan for his comment. He and Beach_Head are at least adding differing opinions based on some facts. You (nor I for that matter) are not. Believe it or not, I tend to agree with you and CCallahan. However, Beach_Head has some valid points. Getting back to the OP, either sign the petition, or if not, provide some value in your response/rebuttal. That's all I have to say about that.
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Have we not been over this 100 times already, its not up to the OM's it is the vendors.
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Guess you missed my first post
dantonel said:
We need your help to unlock all Motorola bootloaders.
Help us by signing the petition to achieve 7500 signatures.
http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
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Jeez - do people still think that online petitions do anything?
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Jeez - do people still think that online petitions do anything?
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Maybe not but it for sure doesn't hurt anything to do it and if peeps want to spend some of their time working on it then why not.
I support anyone trying to make a change even if it doesn't result in much. At least it is showing some positive community movement.
Haha. Motorola are full of it. Why are Samsung selling so many phones on most networks? Motorola are milking the consumer so they don't have to go through the amount of returns Samsung have.
Is it morally wrong to make use of the unlocked bootloaders, brick your phone and claim warranty? Maybe but very low percentage do and this could be user repairable if they made their chips load USB loader in hardware as a complete backup.
Maybe also could have a hardware bootloader which loads boot information from nand like PC's. That would make them virtually unbrickable without hardware damage. Win win.
Moto just wanna lay excuses for more money.
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Always take what Moto says with a grain of salt...
I was there when the first petition was made late 2010: Motorola Bootloader Groubal
We generated 11,303 signatures and Moto said they'd provide an unlock solution before the end of 2011.
It's 2012 now and nothing. That Razr DE phone is a slap in the face for everyone that relied on their promise for an unlock solution for their devices. Not to mention to the first adopters who bought the Razr when it launched and our now faced with the Maxx and that DE phone.
HTC and Sony Ericsson were taking the same heat and yet as early as May 2011, they had already launched their unlock solution. A solution that affected new and current devices at the time. So if it were really a carrier decision, wouldn't the carriers have had a field day when those solutions were announced?
And this year, Verizon, T-Mo, and AT&T still have HTC and Sony Ericsson phones in their line up. If a device with an unlocked bootloader would cause issues on their network, then why would they continue using devices from those manufacturers?
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It most likely isn't Motorola but the carriers. In an article about the new Droid Razr Developer Edition which can be pre-ordered now, Moto states that "consumer version of the Droid Razr is heavily protected against third-party ROMs, which Motorola says is necessary in order to "continue meeting our carrier and regulatory obligations,".
If you aren't aware this DE version comes unlocked and supplied with no warranty. It is supposed to be coming to a carrier in the US in the future.
What this tells me is the manufacturers have no problem unlocking devices and the carrier determines whether it can be unlocked.
Just some food for thought.
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All your scoreboarding and +1's prove nothing other than your ignorance on the subject matter.
If you're looking for a tool, look in front of the mirror...
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tools (6bowmans, Beach_Head) take note
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kniz said:
Lol. Idiots will be idiots
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I know that you mean no harm, (let's not start an argument here), but some people don't realize that...
Signed.......... no matter the outcome. Took 5 seconds.
Petitions do work to some extent especially with the recent Stop SOPA/PIPA Campaign, however it only works with those who have money and are able to get enough media exposure. It never hurts to try.
I signed my digital John Hancock.
Hey Beach_Head, lets agree to disagree and move on. The discussion has been fun but like 6bowmans said were really not adding anything to the topic. Hope there are no hard feelings. My apologies to everyone.
Well, I hear the 2.3.5 update is coming for the MoPho. If you want to be able to flash custom roms, kernels, etc. you should read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620905 It appears if you flash this you may have the same issue the Electrify users had after they flashed 2.3.5.
Way to keep, I mean, break a promise Moto!
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
I actually have 4G at my office and thats why unlocking has been a deal breaker for me. This is also the reason I wont buy another Motorola device. I bought this device, I own it. Motorola said they would unlock the bootloaders and now its pretty apparent they arent going to. I wont make the mistake of buying another Motorola phone. They need to just go back o Verizon and stay there.
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Maybe. I guess I can consider myself lucky. I mean, IMHO, Moto's hardware is better than most. They are well built, my reception is top notch, and I do have an unlocked device.
The part that makes Moto suck is the software end. They said they would unlock things, but it appears this is not the case. And who's to say that Sprint doesn't have a hand in this, either? I mean, if we unlock, flash, etc. we are using our devices how WE want, not how THEY want.
Just saying..............
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Yeah,I kind of feel the same way.I was digging around in the ICS system dump for the Razr.I almost think id rather have AOSP ICS over what Moto offers,if its gonna look like the Razrs.With ICS,they have to "theme" the AOSP Holo theme,not rework it completely per Google.And looking through the apps,no more Universal Mail Box,my personal favorite.
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Maybe. I guess I can consider myself lucky. I mean, IMHO, Moto's hardware is better than most. They are well built, my reception is top notch, and I do have an unlocked device.
The part that makes Motor suck is the software end. They said they would unlock things, but it appears this is not the case. And who's to say that Sprint doesn't have a hand in this, either? I mean, if we unlock, flash, etc. we are using our devices how WE want, not how THEY want.
Just saying..............
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i love the hardware... seriously it's the best! i hate the locked bootloader. after this phone it's nothing but Nexus phones for me here on out.
For me, Motorola's superior radio is more important than the bootloader. I live out in the country, and I use US Cellular because the Big Four don't consider service to my neck of the woods to be profitable. Even so, US Cellular service with a Samsung or HTC means I have to put my phone in the windowsill to get reception. With Motorola, I can have the phone at my desk or in bed, or in the bathroom which is practically a Faraday cage, and still get calls and messages.
I thought Sprint was abandoning the Photon. Are they still doing so?
Also, thanks for the heads up. My brother has a Photon. I'll make sure he doesn't upgrade to 2.3.5. I've tried to get him to sign up here and learn how to change up his phone. Pretty sure he just has everything stock. (He lives in another state, I've never actually seen his phone.)
Give it time guys. Once Motorola has released their ics update and sprint stops supporting the moto(EOL catches up) then I see no reason why they wouldn't unlock it or at least give us north America at&t so I could "lose" my phone and get its replacement and continue to use this phone as a prepaid go phone after I get my upgrade
Sprints keeping it locked down because its still a high selling phone. You would figure they would want to keep there entire north American nation on their network as long as they are still selling this phone. Sounds like good business to me while also helping the people out that do actually travel the world and still able to use their only world phone to do so. Sprint is being smart with this phone. I would do the same if I were them and if anyone complained to me I would tell them "we gave you a world phone so you could travel. You want a phone you can't leave the US with in exchange for an unlocked bootloader then get one of our many other amazing androids with unlocked restricted to north America only. Either way were getting your money and so does Motorola"
This phone already has more to offer than most high end androids out there. Top notch radios, solid design, superb CPU with nvidia graphics technology, only sprint Android to be unlocked for other country's" it does not have 3D if you want that get the evo 3D.
Please people appreciate what Motorola and sprint has offered us and stop complain so much. Sure I hate that its still locked and i can't use it for At&t but I also understood this before I bought the phone and dealt with it for what it is. Everyone here seems to knows Motorola's past about promises but yet you still purchased this device anyway...
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Give it time guys. Once Motorola has released their ics update and sprint stops supporting the moto(EOL catches up) then I see no reason why they wouldn't unlock it or at least give us north America at&t so I could "lose" my phone and get its replacement and continue to use this phone as a prepaid go phone after I get my upgrade
Sprints keeping it locked down because its still a high selling phone. You would figure they would want to keep there entire north American nation on their network as long as they are still selling this phone. Sounds like good business to me while also helping the people out that do actually travel the world and still able to use their only world phone to do so. Sprint is being smart with this phone. I would do the same if I were them and if anyone complained to me I would tell them "we gave you a world phone so you could travel. You want a phone you can't leave the US with in exchange for an unlocked bootloader then get one of our many other amazing androids with unlocked restricted to north America only. Either way were getting your money and so does Motorola"
This phone already has more to offer than most high end androids out there. Top notch radios, solid design, superb CPU with nvidia graphics technology, only sprint Android to be unlocked for other country's" it does not have 3D if you want that get the evo 3D.
Please people appreciate what Motorola and sprint has offered us and stop complain so much. Sure I hate that its still locked and i can't use it for At&t but I also understood this before I bought the phone and dealt with it for what it is. Everyone here seems to knows Motorola's past about promises but yet you still purchased this device anyway...
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Don't hold your breath. Moto has not unlocked any device in the past and the Photon will probably be no different. People have been begging for unlock for the first Droid X and a few others for quite some time.
It was taken away from Electrify users and now Photon users. It will not be given back.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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Give it time guys. Once Motorola has released their ics update and sprint stops supporting the moto(EOL catches up) then I see no reason why they wouldn't unlock it or at least give us north America at&t so I could "lose" my phone and get its replacement and continue to use this phone as a prepaid go phone after I get my upgrade
Sprints keeping it locked down because its still a high selling phone. You would figure they would want to keep there entire north American nation on their network as long as they are still selling this phone. Sounds like good business to me while also helping the people out that do actually travel the world and still able to use their only world phone to do so. Sprint is being smart with this phone. I would do the same if I were them and if anyone complained to me I would tell them "we gave you a world phone so you could travel. You want a phone you can't leave the US with in exchange for an unlocked bootloader then get one of our many other amazing androids with unlocked restricted to north America only. Either way were getting your money and so does Motorola"
This phone already has more to offer than most high end androids out there. Top notch radios, solid design, superb CPU with nvidia graphics technology, only sprint Android to be unlocked for other country's" it does not have 3D if you want that get the evo 3D.
Please people appreciate what Motorola and sprint has offered us and stop complain so much. Sure I hate that its still locked and i can't use it for At&t but I also understood this before I bought the phone and dealt with it for what it is. Everyone here seems to knows Motorola's past about promises but yet you still purchased this device anyway...
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You misunderstand, what they are talking about here is the bootloader. It needs to be unlocked to flash custom roms and kernels. Right now unlocked bootloader means no 4g. After update it means unable to unlock bootloader at all. Has nothing to do with using on att.
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The OP is right. The next release for the Photon for now is a GB maintenance update. Here is a link to Moto's explanation that defines the terms "update" and "upgrade". On the SOAK test page it says that they are looking for users to test the pre-release "update". I hope the Photon doesn't have the same issues as the Electrify. I have no doubt that ICS upgrade is in the works and will be released in Q3 and this update is a side thing.
posted April 25, 2012 by Remy
ericchan3 said:
"New call for SOAK testers for an upcoming release. Look at the sticky thread for the update posted today. I am hoping its for the ICS update."
This is not going to be an ICS release for a couple of reasons:
1) It does not match up with the timeline posted here on the upgrades page.
2) Terminology; Update = maintenance update, fixes. Upgrade = OS upgrade, ie: ICS.
I hope this helps clear things up.
Thanks,
J
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/25829baf50
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You misunderstand, what they are talking about here is the bootloader. It needs to be unlocked to flash custom roms and kernels. Right now unlocked bootloader means no 4g. After update it means unable to unlock bootloader at all. Has nothing to do with using on att.
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So your saying that Motorola(or sprint telling moto what's up) has decided to Bork 4G if bootloader is unlocked? Kinda makes sense. If your not going to use software provided by the hard working people over at moto then why should they give you everything? Makes sense wouldnt give us an unlocked bootloader. Because they know that no matter what we will still be able to unlock it ourselves or still find a way to install custom roms and kernels. This isn't their first rodeo obviously. They worked hard to bring us this wonderful phone why would they make it easy for us to replace it?
I understand what you guys are saying. I just thought I would add a bit more to it before it was debated later. Motorola all around still has some of the highest selling android phones most of which have locked bootloaders but somehow still attract the same people that always say "I will never buy a Motorola again!"
Im just trying to get the people to understand that its just like when you were a kid and you touch a hot stove for the first time. You don't touch it again right? Why get the photon if you could have gotten a different high end device? Maybe one with an unlocked bootloader.
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Give it time guys. Once Motorola has released their ics update and sprint stops supporting the moto(EOL catches up) then I see no reason why they wouldn't unlock it or at least give us north America at&t so I could "lose" my phone and get its replacement and continue to use this phone as a prepaid go phone after I get my upgrade
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All Moto/Sprint has to do is make the claim of "network security concerns" and all petitions and laws related to unlocking can be ignored. Just look at Verizon and devices on Block C frequencies. Now if nobody purchased Moto devices for on release cycle then Moto may reconsider but that will never happen so our phones stay locked by the manufacturer.
True, but someone sooner or later will get an anti trust action or whatever you call it. Microsoft tried that crap and were eventually shot down. Your phone is basically a mini PC. What they are doing is trying to limit software to what they can control.
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I had used HTC phones for years, but wanted to give Moto a shot.
I'll probably go back to HTC.
But - important - I now no longer see the need to upgrade every year. I got to that point a few years ago with my laptop, and think I'm there with my tablet also.
I quit upgrading every year. There's really no need to. My first was the Moto Q, had it for over a year then I got it wet. My next was a HTC Ozone, grew tired of the WinMo thing after almost two years. Next was a Droid X, I really liked it, even renewed my contract, but Big Red really pissed me off. Now I have the MoPho and it's here to stay. Being able to get ICS from these awesome devs just cements it's place. But Moto does need to either quit making promises they don't intend to keep and/or get with the program.
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I quit upgrading every year. There's really no need to. My first was the Moto Q, had it for over a year then I got it wet. My next was a HTC Ozone, grew tired of the WinMo thing after almost two years. Next was a Droid X, I really liked it, even renewed my contract, but Big Red really pissed me off. Now I have the MoPho and it's here to stay. Being able to get ICS from these awesome devs just cements it's place. But Moto does need to either quit making promises they don't intend to keep and/or get with the program.
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After a year in India, one year ago I made the jump from WinMo to Android - have had 3 Android phones in that year. Happy with the Photon for at least another year+ with ICS coming.
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True, but someone sooner or later will get an anti trust action or whatever you call it. Microsoft tried that crap and were eventually shot down. Your phone is basically a mini PC. What they are doing is trying to limit software to what they can control.
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exactly! if i buy a laptop and it comes with windows 7 on it and i want windows xp i can do that. why the heck can't i do the same with my phone that costs more than my laptop?
like i stated in another thread.... all my devices for now on will be Nexus'. hopefully it will be a motorola one cause i love their hardware but i feel that i should be able to put what ever the hell i want to on my phone. i have a huge problem with the fact that companies won't allow me to do that. so for now on either the phone already has a unlocked bootloader (by the manufacturer or by another means) or i'll just buy a Nexus phone.
Somehow I'm still surprised that this update they are testing is ONLY the 2.3.5 gingerbread update. Somehow I had some sort of hope that this would be the ICS update. Not sure how I was that optimistic about it, I guess I just figured they wouldn't be just now testing an update for the Photon that came out on the electrify over a month ago.
Hey, you know how it is. They have to lay the "ground work"............
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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Maybe. I guess I can consider myself lucky. I mean, IMHO, Moto's hardware is better than most. They are well built, my reception is top notch, and I do have an unlocked device.
The part that makes Moto suck is the software end. They said they would unlock things, but it appears this is not the case. And who's to say that Sprint doesn't have a hand in this, either? I mean, if we unlock, flash, etc. we are using our devices how WE want, not how THEY want.
Just saying..............
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
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I agree with you 100%. Motorola phones have been very good to me. I need something that's durable with my job, and the way my Motorola phones have held up has been more than acceptable. I am actually scared to try another manufacture's device because of how much luck I've had with Motorola.
I just wanted to say, I think our hard work with petitions and complaints along with the google buyout has finally turned the tables. We have possibly won the bootloader battle.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/motorola-to-allow-bootloader-unlocking-from-photon-q-4g-lte-on/
The photon Q will come out in august and be the first unlockable but the RAZR / MAXX will be unlockable soon after. This is amazing news I think, I have a feeling it has to do with the encription being nearly cracked and they decided to reduce the vulnreability and make it unlockable through them. And well admit it, we *****ed a lot about this.
Good news, but wait unlock before proclame victory
I doubt they'll allow older versions/handsets to unlock their bootloaders. Also you have to remember that Photon is releasing on Sprint so it is probably a deal they have made with the network thus allowing them to carry through with this. Regardless, I was hoping Motorola would live up to their targets of unlocking bootloaders and pushing the ICS updates out in their predicted timeframe. But looking at where we are now, I know well enough to take their announcements as a grain of sand and sadly this will be my first and last Motorola based Android device.
Beat me to it... I may not have my beloved RAZR anymore, but I wanted to share too...
http://androidcommunity.com/motorol...726/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
My tab's Flyer than yours (unless this is posted in a Flyer thread... Then it's just as Flyer...)
http://android-gz.com
http://www.slashgear.com/motorola-to-unlock-bootloaders-starting-with-the-photon-q-26240460/
Here's another.
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Didn't the Xoom tablet have an unlock option as stock? I think it's the very first thing I did when I got it? It did have a nice warranty warning from what I recall...
They've ready said they have no intention of unlocking past devices. We have still lost, Verizon will still never allow another unlocked device on their network. The GNex is the last.
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They've ready said they have no intention of unlocking past devices. We have still lost, Verizon will still never allow another unlocked device on their network. The GNex is the last.
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isn't the carrier unimportant if there's at least the retail version unlockable?
You would be correct, but Moto doesn't subsidize their products, most people won't spend $750-500 on a phone when they could get it for $200.
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You would be correct, but Moto doesn't subsidize their products, most people won't spend $750-500 on a phone when they could get it for $200.
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i don't understand :/
PS: not cause of english, but the topic your talking about oO please explain
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i don't understand :/
PS: not cause of english, but the topic your talking about oO please explain
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If you buy your phone from Moto without the discount that you get from carriers, you would be paying 500 USD extra just to get a version that's unlockable, which is crazy for most people. Why would you buy a phone for 700 USD that you could get for 200 USD?
They must be fool if they think that I will buy another moto phone just because of a "killer feature" like the unlocked bootloader... They screwed it with the Razr (and others) already and I will not support such company who thinks that everything must be as they said...-thats not what I am paying for. Thats the reason why I don't own an iphone and motorola's phones are next on this list...
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If you buy your phone from Moto without the discount that you get from carriers, you would be paying 500 USD extra just to get a version that's unlockable, which is crazy for most people. Why would you buy a phone for 700 USD that you could get for 200 USD?
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why should i buy a new phone if i've the ability to simply flash the retail version over it?
or is there something i didn't mention now?
It's only for the new phone :|
Man they should stop to mess up with their costumers
Anyway i'll not trust them until is real
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Didn't the Xoom tablet have an unlock option as stock? I think it's the very first thing I did when I got it? It did have a nice warranty warning from what I recall...
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Motorola Xoom is GED
Just wanted to react to the topic name - no we didn't won but we probably completly lost it all because if motorola will provide unlocked bootloader for the upcoming phones there will be no reason for them to unlock old phones as its reasonable that they would want to sell as many new phones as possible and this "new feature" will help them...
If anyone can read the RAZR WILL be unlocked shortly after the new phone is released. This is because the DROID RAZR and DROID RAZR maxx are very popular phones. And Verizon doesn't want anyone complaining about the unlocked bootloader. So just get your panties out of a bunch and wait patiently until after August.
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Think about it a lot of people are still on their 2 year contract so people are not gonna want to pay full retail just to get an unlocked bootloader when they just got a new phone. If Verizon was smart they would give it to relatively new phones so customers come upgrading time will want a new phone. And won't jump ship to a new carrier.
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People please Read the Whole article, moto confirmed they will be unlocking the RAZR/MAXX. They are going to start with a new unlockable device, then start unlocking some older devices. The razr is specificly listed others are unlisted but will be unlocked too. Remember that Google now owns motorola and is starting to call the shots, ICS is almost stock now on our razr except a few changes. (and good ones not crappy ones) Motorola is going back to its google roots the OG Droid came from.
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People please Read the Whole article, moto confirmed they will be unlocking the RAZR/MAXX. They are going to start with a new unlockable device, then start unlocking some older devices. The razr is specificly listed others are unlisted but will be unlocked too. Remember that Google now owns motorola and is starting to call the shots, ICS is almost stock now on our razr except a few changes. (and good ones not crappy ones) Motorola is going back to its google roots the OG Droid came from.
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err, where did you read that?
My contract with Sprint is going to be up soon and, sadly, I am moving on to a different device. Although my Photon was a great device the unfulfilled promises from Moto/Sprint and lack of a trouble free ROM above Gingerbread leaves me no other suitable option but to upgrade. Tie that to the fact that I have moved to an area where Sprint service barely exists and my P4G's fate is sealed.
That said, everyone here in the Photon forums will be missed. There are some very talented dev's here that I owe a great amount of Thanks to. Loki, th3bill, jokersax and so many others made it possible to unlock much of my device's potential. If only Moto would have coughed up what they promised the Photon would have truly been a formitable device for anyone to reckon with.
Anyone have suggestions on the best place to list a near mint Photon4G with an unlockable bootloader? I'm sure it could possibly be of some use to a devloper somewhere.
(Mods please don't delete, I am not trying to sell here. Just want to know the best place to list.)
I got a Photon Q used for $100. No LTE here yet, but was able to Unlock bootloader and running CM10.2
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I got a Photon Q used for $100. No LTE here yet, but was able to Unlock bootloader and running CM10.2
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Sounds like a good deal. For me I'm going to Big Red, Sprint has no local service here (only roaming) and everyone else is either more $$ or bad service (did a lot of research). So I gave in and am getting the GS4.
The Moto X will be available soon on Verizon.
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The Moto X will be available soon on Verizon.
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But will it be rootable and romable??
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Sounds like a good deal. For me I'm going to Big Red, Sprint has no local service here (only roaming) and everyone else is either more $$ or bad service (did a lot of research). So I gave in and am getting the GS4.
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I switched to ATT for the same reasons you're talking about Verizon. I also got the S4 and I LOVE it. It has the best battery life of any phone I have ever had, bar none. I bought two extra batteries and a charger, as I always do when I get a new phone, it's been two months now, and I have yet to use them. One day I got the battery down to 17%, but otherwise, never below 30%, and I do use the phone a lot. I don't miss my Moto phones at all. Never again. Regarding selling your phone, I think they promote swappa around here. You could always use craigslist too. But if you're in a position to consider it, as I was, think about donating to one of the developers. I donated my phone and honestly hope some good has come of it.
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The Moto X will be available soon on Verizon.
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For me, I cannot think of a phone I want LESS than this moto phone. They used to have better radios but I don't think that's true anymore. My S4 works everywhere I've needed it. No dropped calls, 4G service that's much better than Sprints service, and we had 4G LTE here in Houston. Step away from the moto addiction, you won't be sorry you did. There is GOOD life without moto, and Punit Soni doesn't need your buisness, trust me on that. That guy has deluded himself about his honesty and ethics, to the point that he doesn't even realize he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
I agree with the sentiments expressed on the development here, and the community that was built. It was the friendliest, most helpful group of people I'd ever been around bar none. I miss that a lot, but I haven't missed the photon for 5 minutes. Well, I kind of missed it while I used the Galaxy Nexus I bought off ebay for six months, that thing had horrible battery life, but otherwise was an equivalent phone. Since I've had the S4, not missed the photon for a minute.
Thanks retailguy, you're the second person that has told me good things about the GS4. Hopefully I'll get the MDK build instead of ME7 when I pick it up this week.
I'm ditching smartphones completely and moving to the Omate TrueSmart. If I'm going to loose Ubuntu for Android functionality I see no reason for me to waste my money on a smartphone.
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But will it be rootable and romable??
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Most likely. Motorola has built a website to unlock the bootloader. But beware, the moment you use it, your warranty will be voided.
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Thanks retailguy, you're the second person that has told me good things about the GS4. Hopefully I'll get the MDK build instead of ME7 when I pick it up this week.
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Truthfully, I don't know which build I even have. Other than access to wireless tethering, and removing the ATT bloat, I see no reason to even root the phone. It's THAT good.
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Most likely. Motorola has built a website to unlock the bootloader. But beware, the moment you use it, your warranty will be voided.
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Moto may have built the site but I have read in many places that VZW does not support or allow unlockable BL's from the mfg's.
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Moto may have built the site but I have read in many places that VZW does not support or allow unlockable BL's from the mfg's.
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Yep, you're right. Not having Verizon, I forgot about that. Unless someone finds an exploit, the bootloader will stay locked. And considering that no one has found an exploit for the Photon, it's doubtful that anyone will find one for the X. Personally, I believe that's why Motorola never unlocked the photon bootloader, it was their unofficial "test" to see if the community could defeat their security. But, I've also been accused of being a bit paranoid too.
You must be talking about the Photon Q. I remember reading that before it was released. The Photon 4G was put out with an unlockable bootloader. That was the reason I picked one up. Mine runs CM10.2. I really like the features that Cyanogenmod puts into their ROMs. That's why I'm hoping to get the MDK build. If I do CM will be on my GS4 in a matter of hours.
If you are on Verizon or AT&T, expect every phone you buy to be locked down tighter than Fort Knox. To the people looking for the MDK build of the S4, YOU WILL NOT FIND IT. YOUR PHONE WILL BE PERMALOCKED OOB. The turnover was brutally fast, and 99.9% of all new units after the OTA were shipped with ME7 pre-installed. That's for both carriers. Unless you buy used or can verify that it wasn't updated. My friend has the AT&T one, and I keep telling him that I feel his pain haha.
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There is going to be a Verizon developer edition Moto X with an unlocked bootloader out of the box.
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You must be talking about the Photon Q. I remember reading that before it was released. The Photon 4G was put out with an unlockable bootloader. That was the reason I picked one up. Mine runs CM10.2. I really like the features that Cyanogenmod puts into their ROMs. That's why I'm hoping to get the MDK build. If I do CM will be on my GS4 in a matter of hours.
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Motorola pushed an update that locked the bootloader. Anyone who had 2.3.4 and accepted that update got a present of a locked bootloader that no one has been able to defeat. My understanding is if you got 2.3.5 from the factory you did not have this problem. Only those who participated in the soak test have locked bootloaders.
You must have a factory 2.3.5 phone, or one that originally had 2.3.4 and was not updated as part of the soak test.
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If you are on Verizon or AT&T, expect every phone you buy to be locked down tighter than Fort Knox. To the people looking for the MDK build of the S4, YOU WILL NOT FIND IT. YOUR PHONE WILL BE PERMALOCKED OOB. The turnover was brutally fast, and 99.9% of all new units after the OTA were shipped with ME7 pre-installed. That's for both carriers. Unless you buy used or can verify that it wasn't updated. My friend has the AT&T one, and I keep telling him that I feel his pain haha.
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Wow. This is surprising and disappointing, but truthfully, I haven't even thought about unlocking the bootloader on this phone. The stock rom does everything I want it to do, and since it's the most popular Samsung phone out there , it'll probably be supported longer than I care to use it. It will affect what I buy next time, the whole locked bootloader really ticks me off, but c'est la vie. I will survive. At least they didn't lock it during a soak test and take functionality away from me. I stupidly didn't investigate before I bought the phone. Won't do that again...
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Motorola pushed an update that locked the bootloader. Anyone who had 2.3.4 and accepted that update got a present of a locked bootloader that no one has been able to defeat. My understanding is if you got 2.3.5 from the factory you did not have this problem. Only those who participated in the soak test have locked bootloaders.
You must have a factory 2.3.5 phone, or one that originally had 2.3.4 and was not updated as part of the soak test.
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Could be. My understanding is if you have 2.3.4 you can unlock. If you have 2.3.5 you cannot unlock, regardless of how you got it. Root is still obtainable either way.
I believe this has been posted before, but I wanted to bring it back to life.
I received a new phone from Asurion (I'm on Verizon.) today. It came prepacked with MK2.
You can imagine the frustration with this that I had after having AOSP KitKat on my previous GS4, and I'm willing to do just about anything to bring the new one to a firmware in which I can unlock the bootloader.
Anyway, here is the Change.org link: http://www.change.org/petitions/sam...ock-the-bootloader-of-the-verizon-s4-sch-i545
Were only 340 signatures away.
Good luck
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Well I signed it what the hell. I just don't think they care though.
They're too much into the big picture to care about us folks who want to flash ROMs . they made the dev s4 to address this, I think that's where they will stay. They'll just end up losing people like us as customers as we move to the other carriers that don't lock them down.
Hey I'm with you though... Why not try. Doesn't cost anything.
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I agree. The big picture is what Samsung cares about the most. (They are turning more and more into Apple everyday.)
However, maybe with a stroke of good luck and 1000 petition signatures...
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From what I know its not Samsung its Verizon att etc , if I buy the international version of this phone its bootloader is unlocked somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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From what I know its not Samsung its Verizon att etc , if I buy the international version of this phone its bootloader is unlocked somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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To be entirely honest, I'm not sure. Although you do sound correct.
However, I'm sure if this petition make 1000 signatures, Change.org would get it sent to the leads of the departments in both companies. It's called CHANGE.org for a reason, and if they weren't to do that, I would be genuinely surprised. I guess we'll just have to get it signed and see what happens! :fingers-crossed:
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From what I know its not Samsung its Verizon att etc , if I buy the international version of this phone its bootloader is unlocked somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
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Also, Knox was created by Samsung either way. Meaning that they technically could come out with a BL unlock, if they really wanted to for Verizon customers. (unless legal issues?)
I'm not sure, but I suspect Samsung is looking to expand into a corporate environment where security is king. I can see the possibility of selling unlocked bootloaders to those customers who know the risks involved, but their challenge is to protect the security of their products. I don't know where Blackberry is with the ability to "root" their phones, but when I was on the Storm, all kinds of people were looking to unlock their devices and were stymied by the security measures in place.
enterprise clients who represents the single largest bulk of cell phone sales vs those who mod their phones are driving the security for good reason...modders can purchase the dev edition with an unlocked BL if they want to...
safestrap is our option currently and gives us of plenty of choices.
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Also, Knox was created by Samsung either way. Meaning that they technically could come out with a BL unlock, if they really wanted to for Verizon customers. (unless legal issues?)
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Well of course they could, Samsung does the actual "locking" of course. But it's the carrier that makes them do it.
To be honest 1,000 signatures is a joke compared to millions of enterprise customers.
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Barack Obama will personally address this issue if we get enough signatures!
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Please unlock the bootloader of the SCH-I545, respectively. We wouldn't want this device to be retired due to the fact that the people are not fully satisfied with it in its current state.
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I'm not signing that. It doesn't even make sense. ITYM "respectfully." And, they're not going to retire a phone because people are not fully satisfied, they retire phones when they don't sell or a newer model comes out.
And why not call it what Verizon calls it - the Samsung Galaxy S4? Do you think some VP keeps track of the phones by model number?
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Barack Obama will personally address this issue if we get enough signatures!
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wrong site lol
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Such writing. Much horrible. Wow. If you want to make a petition you may want to proofread and/or learn the English language first. However, even if the petition was properly worded it would not help to unlock the bootloader any more than me praying for it to be unlocked. Nice try though.
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I'm not signing that. It doesn't even make sense. ITYM "respectfully." And, they're not going to retire a phone because people are not fully satisfied, they retire phones when they don't sell or a newer model comes out.
And why not call it what Verizon calls it - the Samsung Galaxy S4? Do you think some VP keeps track of the phones by model number?
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Not to mention that from a hardware standpoint, this phone is still pretty good a year after its release.
Funny fact is the verizon rep spoke yesterday to us saying "all of our phones are unlocked and are free to do what you want with them"
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Funny fact is the verizon rep spoke yesterday to us saying "all of our phones are unlocked and are free to do what you want with them"
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That's true from a carrier perspective. He was referring to "SIM locks," which prevent a phone from being used on a different carrier. People who've dealt with GSM phones are more familiar with the concept - other than some pre-pay phones, I'm not aware of any US CDMA ones which were ever locked (and they didn't have SIMs, so it's not a true SIM lock, they did it in a different way).
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Funny fact is the verizon rep spoke yesterday to us saying "all of our phones are unlocked and are free to do what you want with them"
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they are unlocked from carrier veiwpoint
again, its enterprise customers which number in the millions vs modders who number in the thousands who drive this.......
if you want to mod a phone, a developer edition is available
I'm sorry but I'm completely confused by your attitude toward this. Here you are on the largest modding website known to man and by your post count you've been here for quite a while. Yet you solution is "buy a dev phone".
I guess that might make sense for the devs who are creating roms for the community, but what about there userbase? Are you saying every single person on these boards (with a locked bootloader) should purchase a dev phone? I mean you might as well just close the site at that point because the userbase is going to dwindle, and then you've just got dev's making roms for devs.
I bought this phone, it is now my property and i should have the option to do with it what i please.
I guess I'll have to start buying dev car's and dev computers when i want to make mods to them too with that kind of attitude.
Void4ever
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I'm sorry but I'm completely confused by your attitude toward this. Here you are on the largest modding website known to man and by your post count you've been here for quite a while. Yet you solution is "buy a dev phone".
I guess that might make sense for the devs who are creating roms for the community, but what about there userbase? Are you saying every single person on these boards (with a locked bootloader) should purchase a dev phone? I mean you might as well just close the site at that point because the userbase is going to dwindle, and then you've just got dev's making roms for devs.
I bought this phone, it is now my property and i should have the option to do with it what i please.
I guess I'll have to start buying dev car's and dev computers when i want to make mods to them too with that kind of attitude.
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It's not about the attitude, it's about not much could be done to get Verizon to side with us in giving us unlocked bootloaders. Up to this day there has not being an unlock for the S4, Note 3, or newly updated S3. With it being so tight the only way to go is to buy a developer edition. User base or not, the answer for a bootloader unlock isn't going to just fall out of the sky the chances only get slimmer by the holes that get patched up from each loophole. Of course I see your side of your case but I also see why he'd say buy have a dev phone or simply jump carriers or a different phone that can be unlocked.
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