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My NT just updated to the latest firmware so I hve lost all ability to sideload apps.Up untill last night I was downloading and installing apks from the Amazon App store and loving it.My NT was NOT rooted just sideloaded and running Launcher Pro and Button Savior.My question is will rooting my NT after the OTA update restore my ability to install non Nook Store aps?I have found a great thread on rooting the NT using a Mac and wanna give it a try but if this won't give me that ability I'll just leave it be and not void my warranty. My wife gave it to me for Christmas and got the extended warranty so I really don' t want to root it unless it will fully unlock the device.
Thnax everyone.
To root the update, look for the thread about rooting 1.4.1 here in general. Otherwise you'll need to revert to 1.4.0, which I believe requires you to start from scratch.
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ckevinwelch said:
To root the update, look for the thread about rooting 1.4.1 here in general. Otherwise you'll need to revert to 1.4.0, which I believe requires you to start from scratch.
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As I understand it, the 1.4.1 with root involves reverting to 1.4.0, and then rooting, and then upgrading in a special way to 1.4.1, which will avoid losing root.
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As I understand it, the 1.4.1 with root involves reverting to 1.4.0, and then rooting, and then upgrading in a special way to 1.4.1, which will avoid losing root.
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Doh ... you're right. I forgot about that part.
So my nt came with 1.4.0 and I can sideload apps no problem. I have been waiting for it to update to 1.4.1 before even bothering to root but it has not updated. I'm not complaing just curious what triggers the update. I have never used the B&N store...could that have something to do with it?
Not using the B&N store doesn't really matter, unless you mean you skipped the registration process. Because as long as you're registered- you're getting the update. It's totally random as to when. For some it takes an hour, for some it takes a week. But if you're registered and you haven't taken steps to block OTAs, you're gonna get the update eventually.
But my question is- why wait until 1.4.1 to root? It's more easily done on 1.4.0. My advice is to shut off wireless, root at 1.4.1 and block OTAs. Because if you get 1.4.1, you're likely just going to have to go back to 1.4.0 to root. Maybe that's not the case anymore, maybe I missed some new development. But last time I checked, rooting on 1.4.0. is the way to go.
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But my question is- why wait until 1.4.1 to root? It's more easily done on 1.4.0. My advice is to shut off wireless, root at 1.4.1 and block OTAs. Because if you get 1.4.1, you're likely just going to have to go back to 1.4.0 to root. Maybe that's not the case anymore, maybe I missed some new development. But last time I checked, rooting on 1.4.0. is the way to go.
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This. B&N has been touting "new features and upgrades" in 1.4.1; yet, when asked for the release notes, or what specifically was added/changed, they clam up -- fast. Just root and block OTA on 1.4.0, it's easier and since that is what most people have done it allows for easier troubleshooting.
Why wait? If you've got my luck, you'll root and still get 1.4.1. And my Tap Aquarium was doing so well
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Why wait? If you've got my luck, you'll root and still get 1.4.1. And my Tap Aquarium was doing so well
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Please dont get him confused, if you received the update is because eather you did not apply OTA block well or your thought it did by itself if you used Indirect's root method, it also depends of the version of the mod that you used. Anyways @atomicpookavirus welcome to the forum and take our advise don't wait until the update, right now its 4:45 am in here can't explain all the reasons but trust me you don't want the update. Now before root while still on 1.4.0 erase/deregister your device to start clean, please read my FAQ tips &tricks for more information about how to erase/deregister then choose a root method and watch the videos provided.
Veronica
lavero.burgos said:
Please dont get him confused, if you received the update is because eather you did not apply OTA block well or your thought it did by itself if you used Indirect's root method, it also depends of the version of the mod that you used. Anyways @atomicpookavirus welcome to the forum and take our advise don't wait until the update, right now its 4:45 am in here can't explain all the reasons but trust me you don't want the update. Now before root while still on 1.4.0 erase/deregister your device to start clean, please read my FAQ tips &tricks for more information about how to erase/deregister then choose a root method and watch the videos provided.
Veronica
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Veronica is a smart woman, take her advice =]
lavero.burgos said:
Please dont get him confused, if you received the update is because eather you did not apply OTA block well or your thought it did by itself if you used Indirect's root method, it also depends of the version of the mod that you used.
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Sorry, not trying to confuse, just trying to make a joke. And I always assume the error's on my end of things.
Hi,
Just updated 7" HDX to 4.5.8 after Amazon downgraded it to 3.2.8.
The manual upgrade works fine, but without any prompting it downloads 3.2.8 again installs it and reboots. All of which I cannot control as its done automatically.
Any ideas?
Thanks...
myotai said:
Hi,
Just updated 7" HDX to 4.5.8 after Amazon downgraded it to 3.2.8.
The manual upgrade works fine, but without any prompting it downloads 3.2.8 again installs it and reboots. All of which I cannot control as its done automatically.
Any ideas?
Thanks...
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Looks like an answer is surfacing in another thread (sorry, can't post cross link at the moment). If not post back and I'll try to help. Short answer is you need to manually upgrade to 4.5.2 before proceeding to 4.5.3 (assume reference to 4.5.8 is a typo). Note 4.5.3 may limit your options; might be better to stay at 4.5.2.
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Looks like an answer is surfacing in another thread (sorry, can't post cross link at the moment). If not post back and I'll try to help. Short answer is you need to manually upgrade to 4.5.2 before proceeding to 4.5.3 (assume reference to 4.5.8 is a typo). Note 4.5.3 may limit your options; might be better to stay at 4.5.2.
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Thanks... just had road of BS from Amazon 're this. It's not their fault apparently
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Thanks... just had road of BS from Amazon 're this. It's not their fault apparently
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Which is correct. As I understand it you downgraded to 3.2.8. That breaks Amazon's OTA process. Don't expect support from them going forward.
Yes but they never mentioned any downside and they pushed the downgrade to me. Academic now...Will try the 4.5.2 upgrade and root....is the rooting process described as safe as Towelroot?
Yes. However, you need to reboot a few times for the permissions to reset themselves. After you do it, try super su. If you get an error, reboot. Eventually, it should work.
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All Worked...
Thanks for that!
Now got 4.5.2, rooted and OTA turned off.....not sure whether to upgrade to 4.5.3 or f its worth it - particularly if OTA comes back on and I lose root!
You are welcome. Checkout the rollback thread. You cannot root 4.5.3.
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Better the Devil you know....
Thanks for your help man....I am sticking with this rooted 4.5.2 then for now - does't seem to be much worth upgrading for!
I can't seem to find any working root for my kindle and i'm need help to root this darn thing.
I really want to Get rid of amazon and go get Android kit-cat and use the Google play. Your answer will be thanked if your answer works.
i heard about roll backing my kindle fire hdx but i need more info on how to get into the internal storage folder.
My kindle runs Fire os 4.5.4
I have no idea how to find the firmware...
As of now, it cannot be done yet. Sorry.
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As of now, it cannot be done yet. Sorry.
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Oh ok..
Its been a long while though.
I guess amazon won the war against rooting...:crying:
This is a brand new update. So, it actually has not been that long. There has been a root found for almost every other release including 4.5.3, but I think they patched it with this new release.
lekofraggle said:
This is a brand new update. So, it actually has not been that long. There has been a root found for almost every other release including 4.5.3, but I think they patched it with this new release.
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4.5.3? You sure because i Looked everywhere for answers only to find out the roots does not work... But i hope they find a root.
By the way can you reply to me when they have a root out for my 4.5.4 Update. make sure to give me the link. That will be really Nice.
You should be reading through the boards yourself. If you had, you would know they found a root option in China which worked on 4.5.3. It did take a while to find, but they found one.
I can't just hotlink to a file or post because this device is so fickle, you need to understand what you are getting into when you root. I have been on Android since 2.0 and I have never seen a device so easy to ruin and difficult to fix. Sorry.
That Chinese root also doesn't work 100% of the time. It didn't work on my Saturn(HDX 8.9). That said, I seemed to be the only one who had trouble with it.
The update for 4.5.4 came out in the last week.
XxD34THxX said:
That Chinese root also doesn't work 100% of the time. It didn't work on my Saturn(HDX 8.9). That said, I seemed to be the only one who had trouble with it.
The update for 4.5.4 came out in the last week.
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I actually did get root to work with Kingroot, prebuiltgmscore apk downloaded separately here and minimal google bundle here
I have a 8.9 HDX 4th generation also called Saturn.
Did Kingroot work with 4.5.4?? If so, I will try it again.
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Did Kingroot work with 4.5.4?? If so, I will try it again.
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No, my device is a kindle fire hdx 7, it runs 4.5.4 and it seems like kingroot does not work.
When it fails it gives me this Email Icon with a check mark
and then a number 13096
i even checked it with a root checker and it said no Root access
So that's the error screen. Hope they find a root for 4.5.4 Soon!
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Did Kingroot work with 4.5.4?? If so, I will try it again.
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I'm on 4.5.3 sorry....
There is a way: downgrade to 3.5.8 (there is a thread for it) then upgrade to 4.5.3 then root it with kingroot.
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There is a way: downgrade to 3.5.8 (there is a thread for it) then upgrade to 4.5.3 then root it with kingroot.
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Use great caution if going this route. There are numerous reports of bricked devices following 3.2.8 rollback apparently due to an immediate ota push of 4.5.4 which renders the device unusable. To date there is no known recovery method. If you opt to downgrade you must either block the ota mechanism via HDX Toolkit (other methods do not work) or take steps to prevent network connectivity until 4.5.2 is successfully installed.
wonder
wonder if there is a way to downgrade back to is 4.5.3
Braders2345 said:
wonder if there is a way to downgrade back to is 4.5.3
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Not at this time. Nor is there a benefit relative to 4.5.2. If you are on 4.5.4 you can roll back to 3.2.8 then upgrade to 4.5.2. However, there are risks involved (unrecoverable brick); procedures must be followed exactly.
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Not at this time. Nor is there a benefit relative to 4.5.2. If you are on 4.5.4 you can roll back to 3.2.8 then upgrade to 4.5.2. However, there are risks involved (unrecoverable brick); procedures must be followed exactly.
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Davey, I am willing to give downgrade a shot, I just need to know the correct link to use. Will you please post the correct link to downgrade, I have a 4th Gen HDX 8.9 Saturn....just a FYI....Thanks
chargedbird said:
Davey, I am willing to give downgrade a shot, I just need to know the correct link to use. Will you please post the correct link to downgrade, I have a 4th Gen HDX 8.9 Saturn....just a FYI....Thanks
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Sorry - Saturn devices can not be rolled back. The OTAs used are specific to Apollo and Thor. Amazon never offered rollbacks for Saturn thus no one was able to capture the rollback file. The internals are sufficiently different that you'd likely build a brick if you tried to 'force' an Apollo update. Apologize if I missed a prior reference to Saturn and falsely got your hopes up.
Hello,
I was rooted running OS 4.2.2 and everything was great until one day I came home from dinner, got out my kindle and saw the dreaded message: "OS Updated to 4.5.4." I forgot to disable OTA! I can't believe I made such a silly mistake, but now I'm wondering if I can rollback 4.5.4 to 3.2.8, and then update to 4.5.2 and root. Does this only work for 4.5.3, or is it possible on 4.5.4? If it is possible, can someone link me to instructions?
Thanks,
Zman8881
Update
I talked to Arun from Amazon support who said it's not possible. He did, however, credit my Amazon account with $5.00 and tell me that an update resolving the inability to rollback will be available soon (EDIT: he later said 3-4 months, nevermind...) , meaning hope for myself and all of you out there who made the same mistake that I did.
EDIT: Is there any backdoor way to downgrade that someone can think of? I have no use for this device without a root, so I'm willing to risk bricking it.
-Zman8881
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Hello,
I was rooted running OS 4.2.2 and everything was great until one day I came home from dinner, got out my kindle and saw the dreaded message: "OS Updated to 4.5.4." I forgot to disable OTA! I can't believe I made such a silly mistake, but now I'm wondering if I can rollback 4.5.4 to 3.2.8, and then update to 4.5.2 and root. Does this only work for 4.5.3, or is it possible on 4.5.4? If it is possible, can someone link me to instructions?
Thanks,
Zman8881
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The 'classic' 3.2.8 rollback method has reportedly worked for some. There does not appear to be any harm in trying; your device will either accept/recognize the file or not. Obviously follow all the usual cautions if you are successful (eg: keep WiFi off at all times!).
Zman8881 said:
I talked to Arun from Amazon support who said it's not possible. He did, however, credit my Amazon account with $5.00 and tell me that an update resolving the inability to rollback will be available soon (EDIT: he later said 3-4 months, nevermind...) , meaning hope for myself and all of you out there who made the same mistake that I did.
EDIT: Is there any backdoor way to downgrade that someone can think of? I have no use for this device without a root, so I'm willing to risk bricking it.
-Zman8881
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I highly doubt Amazon is addressing the rollback issue. Why would they do that? The tech had a good laugh at your expense. Best path (aside from attempting a 3.2.8 rollback) is to enjoy or shelve your device until a root exploit becomes available for 4.5.4. You will need to keep it off the network as Amazon will undoubtedly push new updates that will be root resistant. And no - there is no known (or at least well communicated) way to root 4.5.4 as of now.
Davey126 said:
The 'classic' 3.2.8 rollback method has reportedly worked for some. There does not appear to be any harm in trying; your device will either accept/recognize the file or not. Obviously follow all the usual cautions if you are successful (eg: keep WiFi off at all times!).
I highly doubt Amazon is addressing the rollback issue. Why would they do that? The tech had a good laugh at your expense. Best path (aside from attempting a 3.2.8 rollback) is to enjoy or shelve your device until a root exploit becomes available for 4.5.4. You will need to keep it off the network as Amazon will undoubtedly push new updates that will be root resistant. And no - there is no known (or at least well communicated) way to root 4.5.4 as of now.
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Can you by chance link me to instructions and/or the link for the 3.2.8 rollback method?
Okay, so here is the rollback file, but I urge you to proceed with caution. If you let Amazon update this build, you are ensured a brick. You need to use the hdx toolkit to block OTA on *.3.2.8.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59220996
Good luck.
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Can you by chance link me to instructions and/or the link for the 3.2.8 rollback method?
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Relevant thread here. Basic procedure is described in the first post. Take care to insure your device can not connect after rolling back to 3.2.8. Keep the device in airplane mode and/or disable wifi. Depending on the method used to root 3.2.8 and 4.5.2 you may need to enable network connectivity momentarily during the rooting process (typically no longer than 30-60 sec). Be sure to turn it off immediately after. There is no need to block OTA on 3.2.8 if your intent is to immediately upgrade to 4.5.2. That said, if you do receive an OTA update on 3.2.8 your device will brick (unrecoverable). The consequences on 4.5.2 aren't as grave: you'll simply be updated to 4.5.4 and have to start the whole process over again. Ultimately you will need to block OTA once on 4.5.2 but that can only be done after obtaining root.
BTW - once on 4.5.2 (rooted) you now have an option to run a custom version of Nexus 7 which presents a much different interface than FireOS. Risks are low and you can always return to FireOS if you don't care for Nexus. There are several distinct advantages to Nexus including full access to Google Services (including play store) and no worries about blocking OTA and/or receiving an update that breaks root. Everything works except LTE; that's being worked on now. More info here.
Good luck.
One Last Question...
Davey126 said:
Relevant thread here. Basic procedure is described in the first post. Take care to insure your device can not connect after rolling back to 3.2.8. Keep the device in airplane mode and/or disable wifi. Depending on the method used to root 3.2.8 and 4.5.2 you may need to enable network connectivity momentarily during the rooting process (typically no longer than 30-60 sec). Be sure to turn it off immediately after. There is no need to block OTA on 3.2.8 if your intent is to immediately upgrade to 4.5.2. That said, if you do receive an OTA update on 3.2.8 your device will brick (unrecoverable). The consequences on 4.5.2 aren't as grave: you'll simply be updated to 4.5.4 and have to start the whole process over again. Ultimately you will need to block OTA once on 4.5.2 but that can only be done after obtaining root.
BTW - once on 4.5.2 (rooted) you now have an option to run a custom version of Nexus 7 which presents a much different interface than FireOS. Risks are low and you can always return to FireOS if you don't care for Nexus. There are several distinct advantages to Nexus including full access to Google Services (including play store) and no worries about blocking OTA and/or receiving an update that breaks root. Everything works except LTE; that's being worked on now. More info here.
Good luck.
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Thanks for all of the help... Just one last question. What is the name of the internal storage folder on the kindle that I should put the file in? Sorry, I'm new to Android. Believe it or not, I won my Kindle Fire from an arcade machine! Sorry again.
-Zman8881
Zman8881 said:
Thanks for all of the help... Just one last question. What is the name of the internal storage folder on the kindle that I should put the file in? Sorry, I'm new to Android. Believe it or not, I won my Kindle Fire from an arcade machine! Sorry again.
-Zman8881
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Hey - congrats on the win! The rollback file goes in the root of sdcard when viewed from a tool such as ES File Explorer. If you have tethered your Kindle drop it into "internal storage" which is the base folder when viewed from Windows. After the file is in place reboot. If nothing seems to happen (give it 5-10 min) use the 'check for updates' function from within FireOS (located somewhere under settings). At some point the file will either be recognized/processed, recognized/rejected or ignored all together. Post back your results.
Although it has probably been burned into your brain be sure to do whatever is necessary to prevent network access if your Kindle rolls back to 3.2.8.
Davey126 said:
Hey - congrats on the win! The rollback file goes in the root of sdcard when viewed from a tool such as ES File Explorer. If you have tethered your Kindle drop it into "internal storage" which is the base folder when viewed from Windows. After the file is in place reboot. If nothing seems to happen (give it 5-10 min) use the 'check for updates' function from within FireOS (located somewhere under settings). At some point the file will either be recognized/processed, recognized/rejected or ignored all together. Post back your results.
Although it has probably been burned into your brain be sure to do whatever is necessary to prevent network access if your Kindle rolls back to 3.2.8.
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I thought I did it, but after I hit update, I was stopped by an error message telling me that an update isn't possible because the update I'm trying to install is an earlier version than what I have on my device. Oh well, I guess it will be a long wait until someone finds a root exploit for 4.5.4. Thanks for all of your help!
-Zman8881
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I thought I did it, but after I hit update, I was stopped by an error message telling me that an update isn't possible because the update I'm trying to install is an earlier version than what I have on my device. Oh well, I guess it will be a long wait until someone finds a root exploit for 4.5.4. Thanks for all of your help!
-Zman8881
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Sorry it didn't work. There is a way around that message but you need root to make the change. Catch 22.
The wait may not be that long. Fingers crossed
Couple more questions
Davey126 said:
Relevant thread here. Basic procedure is described in the first post. Take care to insure your device can not connect after rolling back to 3.2.8. Keep the device in airplane mode and/or disable wifi. Depending on the method used to root 3.2.8 and 4.5.2 you may need to enable network connectivity momentarily during the rooting process (typically no longer than 30-60 sec). Be sure to turn it off immediately after. There is no need to block OTA on 3.2.8 if your intent is to immediately upgrade to 4.5.2. That said, if you do receive an OTA update on 3.2.8 your device will brick (unrecoverable). The consequences on 4.5.2 aren't as grave: you'll simply be updated to 4.5.4 and have to start the whole process over again. Ultimately you will need to block OTA once on 4.5.2 but that can only be done after obtaining root.
BTW - once on 4.5.2 (rooted) you now have an option to run a custom version of Nexus 7 which presents a much different interface than FireOS. Risks are low and you can always return to FireOS if you don't care for Nexus. There are several distinct advantages to Nexus including full access to Google Services (including play store) and no worries about blocking OTA and/or receiving an update that breaks root. Everything works except LTE; that's being worked on now. More info here.
Good luck.
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Hey, Davey126, sorry to post here again quite a while after it's relevant, but I had a couple more questions.
You state here that you just have to make sure the wifi is not enabled, so OTAs aren't pushed. But another user (below) seems to push that I'll have to use the HDX Toolkit--which I can't seem to figure out how to actually use; is just disabling the wifi enough to keep it from bricking from an immediate OTA after the rollback?
lekofraggle said:
Okay, so here is the rollback file, but I urge you to proceed with caution. If you let Amazon update this build, you are ensured a brick. You need to use the hdx toolkit to block OTA on *.3.2.8.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=59220996
Good luck.
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I haven't actually tried to get the update to be recognized yet, because I want everything to be sorted out question wise before diving in, but let's say it works and I get my kindle to roll back. How would I then get it up to 4.5.2?
Sorry for the questions! I just can't seem to find the answers anywhere else.
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Hey, Davey126, sorry to post here again quite a while after it's relevant, but I had a couple more questions.
You state here that you just have to make sure the wifi is not enabled, so OTAs aren't pushed. But another user (below) seems to push that I'll have to use the HDX Toolkit--which I can't seem to figure out how to actually use; is just disabling the wifi enough to keep it from bricking from an immediate OTA after the rollback?
I haven't actually tried to get the update to be recognized yet, because I want everything to be sorted out question wise before diving in, but let's say it works and I get my kindle to roll back. How would I then get it up to 4.5.2?
Sorry for the questions! I just can't seem to find the answers anywhere else.
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Good questions; I appreciate you looked around before posting. If your intent is to rollback to 3.2.8 and then immediately upgraded to 4.5.2 there is no need to block OTA updates on 3.2.8 provide WiFi remains off (as an added precaution I would keep your device in Airplane mode). However, you'll need to enable WiFi for a few seconds while rooting. While that's not enough time to download a complete update a file fragment could potentially cause complications. Hence an OTA block could be beneficial. Really depends how fast you work and whether you can detect an incoming OTA update. You'll need to remove the block before upgrading to 4.5.2.
HDX Toolkit is a tethered solution. It runs on a Windows host and requires USB debugging to be enabled. Commands are issued to your device via the tether. Nothing needs to be installed on your device. You will also want a working tether to copy the 4.5.2 bin and possibly other files to your device when it's time to upgrade. Some folks load everything on the device in advance but I prefer to copy files as they are needed.
Davey126 said:
Good questions; I appreciate you looked around before posting. If your intent is to rollback to 3.2.8 and then immediately upgraded to 4.5.2 there is no need to block OTA updates on 3.2.8 provide WiFi remains off (as an added precaution I would keep your device in Airplane mode). However, you'll need to enable WiFi for a few seconds while rooting. While that's not enough time to download a complete update a file fragment could potentially cause complications. Hence an OTA block could be beneficial. Really depends how fast you work and whether you can detect an incoming OTA update. You'll need to remove the block before upgrading to 4.5.2.
HDX Toolkit is a tethered solution. It runs on a Windows host and requires USB debugging to be enabled. Commands are issued to your device via the tether. Nothing needs to be installed on your device. You will also want a working tether to copy the 4.5.2 bin and possibly other files to your device when it's time to upgrade. Some folks load everything on the device in advance but I prefer to copy files as they are needed.
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Gotcha!
Actually, thanks a bunch for not only explaining the tool a bit, but prompting me to go take another look at it. Turns out I was downloading the wrong batch of files--everything seems to be working now. You just tether your kindle and tell it to block OTA, right? Don't have to worry about version number or anything like that?
So with upgrading to 4.5.2, is the process pretty well the same as with downgrading to 3.8.2? If so, where can I find the update file?
Thanks a million!
Rvby1 said:
Gotcha!
Actually, thanks a bunch for not only explaining the tool a bit, but prompting me to go take another look at it. Turns out I was downloading the wrong batch of files--everything seems to be working now. You just tether your kindle and tell it to block OTA, right? Don't have to worry about version number or anything like that?
So with upgrading to 4.5.2, is the process pretty well the same as with downgrading to 3.8.2? If so, where can I find the update file?
Thanks a million!
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HDX Toolkit only works on FireOS v3 (3.2.8 and below). After rolling back to 3.2.8 tether your Kindle and use the toolkit to block OTA. Once OTA is blocked you can enable WiFi and use towelroot to root. Gather any other files you may need on your device, disable WiFi (also recommend 'airplane mode') and then use the toolkit to reenable OTA (under '5 More'). Move the 4.5.2 bin (here) to the root of sdcard and check for updates. Once on 4.5.2 you'll need to root and block OTA once again. Check the forums for the appropriate tools and method for FireOS v4. Kingroot and renaming DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk seem to be the most reliable.
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HDX Toolkit only works on FireOS v3 (3.2.8 and below). After rolling back to 3.2.8 tether your Kindle and use the toolkit to block OTA. Once OTA is blocked you can enable WiFi and use towelroot to root. Gather any other files you may need on your device, disable WiFi (also recommend 'airplane mode') and then use the toolkit to reenable OTA (under '5 More'). Move the 4.5.2 bin (here) to the root of sdcard and check for updates. Once on 4.5.2 you'll need to root and block OTA once again. Check the forums for the appropriate tools and method for FireOS v4. Kingroot and renaming DeviceSoftwareOTA.apk seem to be the most reliable.
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Okay, thanks so much for all the information! I actually just got my kindle to rollback to 3.2.8, but this brought up two more questions for me.
With the HDX Toolkit, it's asking me to grant root access on the device, which I can't do yet until it blocks OTAs; despite this message, it seems to go through and, after displaying the same message 5 times, state that OTAs are blocked. Is there anyway to safely check that they've actually been blocked? Also, is doing it twice okay? The message seemed less than assuring, so I did it again, but it displayed a different message 5 times on the second attempt.
Lastly, I want to root 3.2.8 and /then/ update to 4.5.2, right?
Thanks so much!
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Okay, thanks so much for all the information! I actually just got my kindle to rollback to 3.2.8, but this brought up two more questions for me.
With the HDX Toolkit, it's asking me to grant root access on the device, which I can't do yet until it blocks OTAs; despite this message, it seems to go through and, after displaying the same message 5 times, state that OTAs are blocked. Is there anyway to safely check that they've actually been blocked? Also, is doing it twice okay? The message seemed less than assuring, so I did it again, but it displayed a different message 5 times on the second attempt.
Lastly, I want to root 3.2.8 and /then/ update to 4.5.2, right?
Thanks so much!
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The OTA blocker in HDX Toolkit is very comprehensive (probably overkill). Some actions require root, others do not. I suspect OTA is effectively blocked but there is no way to conclusively test. Suggest rooting with towelroot (you'll need to toggle WiFi momentarily) and then run the OTA blocker again. Multiple executions should have no adverse consequences. While unlikely to happen watch for any signs of a download in progress. If you see it turn off WiFi and post back for further instructions.
Remember to undo the OTA block after the 4.5.2 bin is in place; otherwise your device won't 'see' it.
Technically you don't absolutely have to root 3.2.8 to upgrade to 4.5.2 but I find it much easier to move files around and take corrective action if something goes wrong. Downside is root gives you unfettered access to everything; navigate carefully.
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The OTA blocker in HDX Toolkit is very comprehensive (probably overkill). Some actions require root, others do not. I suspect OTA is effectively blocked but there is no way to conclusively test. Suggest rooting with towelroot (you'll need to toggle WiFi momentarily) and then run the OTA blocker again. Multiple executions should have no adverse consequences. While unlikely to happen watch for any signs of a download in progress. If you see it turn off WiFi and post back for further instructions.
Remember to undo the OTA block after the 4.5.2 bin is in place; otherwise your device won't 'see' it.
Technically you don't absolutely have to root 3.2.8 to upgrade to 4.5.2 but I find it much easier to move files around and take corrective action if something goes wrong. Downside is root gives you unfettered access to everything; navigate carefully.
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Gotcha!
Alright. I think this is the final question before I go through with everything: on rooting with Towelroot, can I just use the HDX Toolkit for that? It says it only works up to 13/14.3.2.6 and below, so I just want to be safe.
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Alright. I think this is the final question before I go through with everything: on rooting with Towelroot, can I just use the HDX Toolkit for that? It says it only works up to 13/14.3.2.6 and below, so I just want to be safe.
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Neither Towelroot nor HDX toolkit has changed much (if at all) in the past 12-18 months. The version range was likely current when coded. It can't hurt to try; it will either work or not with no side effects. If it doesn't work head off to towelroot.com for the official variant. Obviously this means keeping WiFi on for a longer period.
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Neither Towelroot nor HDX toolkit has changed much (if at all) in the past 12-18 months. The version range was likely current when coded. It can't hurt to try; it will either work or not with no side effects. If it doesn't work head off to towelroot.com for the official variant. Obviously this means keeping WiFi on for a longer period.
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Got Towelroot to go through, despite a weird error the first execution. I didn't seem to have to enable wifi at all, believe it or not, and HDXTools said I was properly rooted.
I've been searching for the past hour or so, but I can't for the life of me find anything that clearly states how to go about rooting 4.5.2 once I get my kindle updated. I've found the supposed root file through the rollback thread, but I can't find out how to actually use it. As for Kingroot, I can only seem to find threads for 4.5.3. Can you impart any knowledge to me about this?
Also, in trying to find the solution, I found another post by you:
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You'll need to follow the guide linked by ggow (here) which is rather technical and requires a Windows host to complete (there are variants for Linux and OS X) plus a fair bit of technical knowledge. There are no canned tools, videos or step-by-step tutorials. Unlocking is not risky (failed attempts won't harm your device) but it can be a frustrating experience.
If unlocking feels uncomfortable you can do a controlled upgrade to FireOS 4.5.2 and then install Safestrap v4 followed by Nexus v4 or CM11. However, you will permanently loose the ability to unlock your bootloader which is the key to running roms like Nexus and CM in 'native' mode. Unlocking also offers greater recovery capability should something go wrong.
There is also the 'do nothing' option which leaves you with a perfectly serviceable device running a very nice Nexus rom (Jelly Bean 4.2 based).
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From all that I've read, it seems like we can only go back as far as 3.2.8 now. Is it too late to unlock the bootloader? Sorry for bringing an entirely different thread here, haha--I just want to make sure I get everything done in one fell swoop.
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Got Towelroot to go through, despite a weird error the first execution. I didn't seem to have to enable wifi at all, believe it or not, and HDXTools said I was properly rooted.
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Surprised about that but glad it worked! Perhaps the version built into HDX Toolkit contains the bits & pieces that normally require online access.
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I've been searching for the past hour or so, but I can't for the life of me find anything that clearly states how to go about rooting 4.5.2 once I get my kindle updated. I've found the supposed root file through the rollback thread, but I can't find out how to actually use it. As for Kingroot, I can only seem to find threads for 4.5.3. Can you impart any knowledge to me about this?
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Kingroot works great on 4.5.2 and is far easer than the alternative methods. Some question the origins of Kingroot (China) but the tool is widely used across a variety of platforms. Personally I could care less where it comes from as long as the reputation is solid. Sharing this in case you have a different perspective.
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Also, in trying to find the solution, I found another post by you:
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From all that I've read, it seems like we can only go back as far as 3.2.8 now. Is it too late to unlock the bootloader? Sorry for bringing an entirely different thread here, haha--I just want to make sure I get everything done in one fell swoop.
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As your start point was FireOS v4 your device was never eligible for bootloader unlocking. More specifically, Amazon fixed the vulnerability that allowed bootloader signature forging in 3.2.4. Clever folks figured out how to roll back to 3.2.3 up through 3.2.6. Starting with 3.2.7 Amazon became aggressive about blocking rollbacks. Any attempt to do so will blow an efuse which is equivalent to a brick. It's always possible another vulnerability will be discovered in higher firmware levels that permits bootloader unlocking. Don't hold your breath.