I am considering buying the SGS2 very soon. I am going to root it but here is my question. If I wait to get pushed the ATT update to 4.0 ICS do I have to flash back to stock just to root it? I want to wait for the stock push of 4.0 and just wipe off the bloatware and not have to worry about custom ROMs etc. Thanks for the help.
Currently running captivate with cognition 4.5.3 froyo.
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Re: Root sgs2 after ATT update to ICS
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You should be able to root after the update. But we don't know yet for sure.
Way too early to tell. You aren't going to see an official AT&T ICS OTA update for many months - if the Captivate is any indicator, not for at least a year.
Just wait for a Rom to be made , im sure one will be as soon as the sources are avail... I stopped doing the Ota upgrades when i realized its easier to just change the Rom.... So root... imo
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Way too early to tell. You aren't going to see an official AT&T ICS OTA update for many months - if the Captivate is any indicator, not for at least a year.
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I'm hoping ATT/Samsung push it sooner because it's still one of ATT's highest end phones.
Of course, this is just wishful thinking.
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Reading this thread, suddenly triggering me asking this question, I don't know why I haven't asked before: is there any ongoing development for ICS ROM?
I assume most of the custom ROMs surface in here are Gingerbread based OS.
votinh said:
Reading this thread, suddenly triggering me asking this question, I don't know why I haven't asked before: is there any ongoing development for ICS ROM?
I assume most of the custom ROMs surface in here are Gingerbread based OS.
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No source for ics yet so there is no development. Look in general forum there is a sticky talking about it. There is also Cm9 but it's not fully working yet on our device.
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No source for ics yet so there is no development. Look in general forum there is a sticky talking about it. There is also Cm9 but it's not fully working yet on our device.
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There is development
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eep2378 said:
No source for ics yet so there is no development. Look in general forum there is a sticky talking about it. There is also Cm9 but it's not fully working yet on our device.
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Google did release ICS source codes about a month ago, I'm sure you know that.
Alright, so only CM dev. team currently working on this then.
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Google did release ICS source codes about a month ago, I'm sure you know that.
Alright, so only CM dev. team currently working on this then.
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That's base platform source for Nexus devices with not a single bit of source for anything specific to the I9100 or I777.
You really need to educate yourself on what source has and has not been released, and what that source means and is used for, before posting crap like this.
Basically, I could spend a few hundred hours trying to port the 2.6.35.x drivers for Samsung-specific items to a vanilla Linux 3.0 kernel - only to have a halfassed buggy release ready after Samsung releases official ICS with kernel source for the I9100, which can be ported to the I777 in a matter of a few hours of work.
The CM dev team is not working on ICS for the I777 either - to get anything even working on the I9100 they had to resort to something they almost NEVER do, which is an initramfs repack of a binary kernel. Getting an I9100 binary kernel to work properly on an I777 is simply not possible - you can repack the initramfs all you want, the audio routing code will be different and so will the touchkey mapping code.
The only ICS development that will occur on the I777 prior to I9100 kernel source getting released (or an I777-specific leak showing up) is some basic reverse engineering efforts (mainly focused in audio routing), since the library swap Hellraiser uses can't be done with ICS (depends on audio blobs extracted from an I777 device.)
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That's base platform source for Nexus devices with not a single bit of source for anything specific to the I9100 or I777.
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Did i ever mention about Nexus devices which running ICS, ehhh?
You really need to educate yourself on what source has and has not been released, and what that source means and is used for, before posting crap like this.
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Wowww!!!
Just posted once sentence and being tagged with "crap like this"? LOL
By reading my English, do you understand that I just said Google has released ICS source codes? Did you see I am saying Google has released ICS source codes for I9100 or this specific i777, huh? Did you read and understand or just premature assumption?
Or you are telling me that you never know Google has release ICS source code?
Basically, I could spend a few hundred hours trying to port the 2.6.35.x drivers for Samsung-specific items to a vanilla Linux 3.0 kernel - only to have a halfassed buggy release ready after Samsung releases official ICS with kernel source for the I9100, which can be ported to the I777 in a matter of a few hours of work.
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Are you the one who create Entropy512 DD kernel? If yes, every minute you spent is well appreciated, left alone a few hundred of hours.
If so, yes, you seem to be very smart in Android field but in life, learn to grow up and act nicely, politely to others. Get some love, kiddo.
The CM dev team is not working on ICS for the I777 either - to get anything even working on the I9100 they had to resort to something they almost NEVER do, which is an initramfs repack of a binary kernel. Getting an I9100 binary kernel to work properly on an I777 is simply not possible - you can repack the initramfs all you want, the audio routing code will be different and so will the touchkey mapping code.
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Again, I don't know who is working on what so I asked. One of the poster mentioned about CM, so I just repeat it.
If they currently do it, great.
If they currently do not do it, it's ok.
I am just asking, 'cuz in B&N NOOKcolor forum, a lot of XDA dev. is WORKING on ICS ROM from ICS source code that released a while a go.
I thought XDA dev. in this room will also do the same.
The only ICS development that will occur on the I777 prior to I9100 kernel source getting released (or an I777-specific leak showing up) is some basic reverse engineering efforts (mainly focused in audio routing), since the library swap Hellraiser uses can't be done with ICS (depends on audio blobs extracted from an I777 device.)
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Good too know.
I've learnt something.
Thanks
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Did i ever mention about Nexus devices which running ICS, ehhh?
Wowww!!!
Just posted once sentence and being tagged with "crap like this"? LOL
By reading my English, do you understand that I just said Google has released ICS source codes? Did you see I am saying Google has released ICS source codes for I9100 or this specific i777, huh? Did you read and understand or just premature assumption?
Or you are telling me that you never know Google has release ICS source code?
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Another poster said we were waiting for source.
You replied to him saying Google posted source over a month ago. Thus implying that you thought that Nexus platform source would actually be sufficient on its own to get our device running ICS - it isn't, it's nowhere close.
I'm sick and tired of repeated "WHERE'S ICS? GOOGLE POSTED SOURCE OVER A MONTH AGO!" posts.
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Another poster said we were waiting for source.
You replied to him saying Google posted source over a month ago. Thus implying that you thought that Nexus platform source would actually be sufficient on its own to get our device running ICS - it isn't, it's nowhere close.
I'm sick and tired of repeated "WHERE'S ICS? GOOGLE POSTED SOURCE OVER A MONTH AGO!" posts.
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"Another poster" I assume you meant "eep2378, one that posted right above my "crappy post"?
Firstly, if eep not getting itchy, why you?
Secondly, I don't know what he meant about ICS for Nexus, and even if he meant that, he didn't spell out so I thought he meant the general ICS source code. In his next sentence, he actually mentioned about CM team working on it, even not fully function, w/o waiting for this specific phone ICS source code, so I thought he meant they, CM team are using the general source code, just like XDA dev. in B&N NOOKcolor room.
Thirdly, and if eep irritated about my post, I apologize him.
Now back to you, let's square and clear up all confuse, hardness.
You're a talented kid, good, keep it up. If you know something, teach us, I'm sure a lot of others will learn from you and quietly appreciate.
Be socialize with people around you, in real life or in cyber.
To the ICS related questions, if you don't want to answer, DO NOT answer, there's no one forces you to do so. There is no point to irritate about it.
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"Another poster" I assume you meant "eep2378, one that posted right above my "crappy post"?
Firstly, if eep not getting itchy, why you?
Secondly, I don't know what he meant about ICS for Nexus, and even if he meant that, he didn't spell out so I thought he meant the general ICS source code. In his next sentence, he actually mentioned about CM team working on it, even not fully function, w/o waiting for this specific phone ICS source code, so I thought he meant they, CM team are using the general source code, just like XDA dev. in B&N NOOKcolor room.
Thirdly, and if eep irritated about my post, I apologize him.
Now back to you, let's square and clear up all confuse, hardness.
You're a talented kid, good, keep it up. If you know something, teach us, I'm sure a lot of others will learn from you and quietly appreciate.
Be socialize with people around you, in real life or in cyber.
To the ICS related questions, if you don't want to answer, DO NOT answer, there's no one forces you to do so. There is no point to irritate about it.
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Ok let me try to clear up some confusion:
1) Nexus source code has nothing to do with I9100 or I777
2) I didn't mention anything about ICS for Nexus because(see #1) and this is the I777 forum NOT Nexus(another reason why I didn't mention it)
3)I mentioned CM9 because(RIGHT NOW) its the only thing that even approaches getting ICS on I9100 forget the I777. And Even Codeworkx(OP for CM9 aka Dev) is WAITING for ICS SOURCE to drop FOR THE I9100.
Only then, as Entropy said, are we able to get it working on the I777
4)I'm not "itchy" or irritated in the least and there is no need for an apology. Having said that I am fairly tired of reading posts about ICS source code being dropped/when are we getting ICS?/ Can ICS run on my I777?, etc.
Finally, ICS source code dropped FOR THE GALAXY NEXUS!! What does that mean for us?? SEE #1!!
@Entropy, I responded to you in another thread(in Q&A) Porting Bezke ICS KP8(yeah I know another one lol) regarding comments you made on Captivate and I9000 kernels being similar but I9100 and I777 not sharing the same similarities.
I'm sure you never went back to that thread, but didn't want bother you via pm
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There is development
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For the I777? Where?
I don't want to sound ignorant, but Samsung always releases the kernel source along with the ROM?
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So I had always heard that we would see CM development ramp up after the 2.2 source was out. I went over to http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page to see how things were going. This place is almost dead except for git updates and a little irc discussion. I was thinking it may just be because so few of the developers on XDA know about CMSGS. Well its a project to put AOSP builds of cyanogen on SGS phones like the Vibrant. If you dont know about the project head over and stur up some conversation, and maybe some code.
Forum http://cmsgs.com/phpbb/
Twitter http://twitter.com/#!/CMSGSTeam
Wiki http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Building for the Vibrant http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Build_CyanogenMod_for_Samsung_Vibrant#Setup_Directories
The code https://github.com/cmsgs
On a serious note, I think everybody really does know about Cyanogenmod (CM7) and if they had the capabilities and want to do so, they would be helping. I knew about CM before I discovered XDA. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but from my understanding, the reason CM7 is a slow going process right now is that the source to the drivers have not been released... That is unless the latest source release contains those...
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So I had always heard that we would see CM development ramp up after the 2.2 source was out. I went over to http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page to see how things were going. This place is almost dead except for git updates and a little irc discussion. I was thinking it may just be because so few of the developers on XDA know about CMSGS. Well its a project to put AOSP builds of cyanogen on SGS phones like the Vibrant. If you dont know about the project head over and stur up some conversation, and maybe some code.
Forum http://cmsgs.com/phpbb/
Twitter http://twitter.com/#!/CMSGSTeam
Wiki http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
Building for the Vibrant http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Build_CyanogenMod_for_Samsung_Vibrant#Setup_Directories
The code https://github.com/cmsgs
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Do you have a vibrant? Stupid question I know but its confusing when you have Nexus One and G1 on you signature. Anyhow how do you make a signature lol sorry? Well hopefully more people help the dev thats porting CM7.
A good CM6 isn't even out yet. Hence I see the purpose for it since the source code is out. Who cares about some broke ass CM7. We will have to wait months if ever the source code comes out for gingerbread on the vibrant. I see no point trying to port the CM7 to the vibrant at all. I do see a lot of sense to get a nice clean running CM6, hence the post is a good one.
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A good CM6 isn't even out yet. Hence I see the purpose for it since the source code is out. Who cares about some broke ass CM7. We will have to wait months if ever the source code comes out for gingerbread on the vibrant. I see no point trying to port the CM7 to the vibrant at all. I do see a lot of sense to get a nice clean running CM6, hence the post is a good one.
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We don't NEED source for CM7. Considering almost no phones have Gingerbread source, they wouldn't even be working on CM7 like they are if this was a deal breaker. You know the saying "don't knock it 'till you've tried it"? Maybe you should adhere to this as CM7 actually runs pretty well on the Vibrant already.
Now, to respond to the OP. I realize a lot of people were expecting some change in development speed for CM7 with the release of source, but there was no reason for this. Nothing has changed or should change. The source we have now is barely applicable if at all to CM7.
Honestly, though, if you look at the list of bugs, it's not that long or severe. The only real non-issue issue is the complicated installation, which they have no reason to improve until they're satisfied with the rom.
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Honestly, though, if you look at the list of bugs, it's not that long or severe. The only real non-issue issue is the complicated installation, which they have no reason to improve until they're satisfied with the rom.
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Can you point me in the direction or post a "how to" to the installation of CM7?
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Can you point me in the direction or post a "how to" to the installation of CM7?
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Go to the i9000 android development forums, it will explain everything.
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Or go to the Vibrant General section for some more CM7 info..
@dumdidum on twitter said he ordered a Vibrant so Im sure he will help port it to the Vibrant once he receives it.
they already started adding the vibrant to the source the other day but i been running it fine from the i9000 plus what scrizz said for the modem and a toggle headset widget
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A good CM6 isn't even out yet. Hence I see the purpose for it since the source code is out. Who cares about some broke ass CM7. We will have to wait months if ever the source code comes out for gingerbread on the vibrant. I see no point trying to port the CM7 to the vibrant at all. I do see a lot of sense to get a nice clean running CM6, hence the post is a good one.
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I think thats a good place to start, i would prefer CM6over any existing vibrant rom (sorry not a insult to existing roms)
If their were any dev's that really wanted CM on their Vibrant it would have been done by now or there is something that is really holding them back. I don't know why anyone would want to lose functionality for a little extra speed. Side by side CM7 on the Nexus S is almost identical to the Vibrant running BionixV, why would you want to give up video codec's and a better UI for that? I would love to get Bionix V on my Nexus over CM or stock Gingerbread any day.
I use to see Cyanogen as a god of android back when I had the G1. His ROM was the ONLY thing I ever put on my G1.
I know that the Cyanogen team really only does a lot with HTC handsets since HTC is AWESOME with giving out the source to their drivers. And I was so hoping to see it on my Vibrant, but in all honesty I've given up the dream of seeing a stable build for the Vibrant.
Samsung don't play nice like HTC with what sources they release so I know it's tough for CM team go get a 100% stable rom for Vibrant.
The devs we have here that do make roms for our phones are the greatest. Team Whiskey, Team Einherjar, Eugene, Master... They all do such great work and also calaborate and make my Vibrant so awesome and sleek. So honestly I am not holding my breath for a stable and easy to install CM Mod ROM for our phones. Tho I would like to see one, I'm totally happy with the ROMS we do have to pick from..
Anyways, Good luck to all of you devs who are working on porting CM over or working on an actual CM ROM for our phones.
But for now, I'm loving those ROMS we do have.
Ill help as soon as I can get a new motherboard for my pc
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Im working on building a update.zip from CM source, but i cant promise ill succeed as there isnt a lot of documentation for this device due to the lack of people working on this branch of cyanogen. If i get a flashable update ill post it, maybe that will inspire someone who can actually dev and not just build existing source code.
Okay this is where im stuck, its a documentation issue look at http://cmsgs.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Build_CyanogenMod_for_Samsung_Vibrant#Configure_Build
when i get to lunch cyanogen_vibrant-eng i get this error
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build/core/product_config.mk:190: *** _nic.PRODUCTS.[[device/samsung/vibrant/full_vibrant.mk]]: "build/target/product/full_base.mk" does not exist. Stop.
** Don't have a product spec for: 'cyanogen_vibrant'
** Do you have the right repo manifest?
Im sure its a simple config fix, if someone can figure this out and update the code or the wiki we may have fixed the one part of the build process that scares devs away. Im too stupid to fix this
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Please put your questions to: Vibrant Q&A
Ill b up and running soon working on a vibrant specific build once I'm completely done with ToXic 1.0 =3
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I'd really like to get the Galaxy S2, but not without Cyanogen Mod support. What do you think are the chances that the Galaxy S2 will get CM? The Galaxy S still has no stable CM Rom.
Does a bear **** in the woods?
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Polar bears don't.
But why doesn't the Galaxy S have a stable CM ROM then?
Stock Media Codecs > CM
if they find a way to keep all the goodies from Samsung then I'm all for it
Frankly, I don't care about the Samsung programmes. If it can be turned off, then ok, but I'd rather have the whole CM experience.
This hardly seems like the right forum for this thread...
So what's the right forum, if not the Galaxy S II Android Development Forum?
Android Development should only contain threads based on actual projects/ROMs/kernels/etc being developed. Discussions about what may or may not be coming to the device should go in general. Best rule of thumb in my book: if you're not actually developing something yourself, a thread shouldn't be started here.
Sorry if I came off like a prick - I just know that this ends up becoming more work for the mods who have to comb through and move threads around.
Also I apologize for theoretically hijacking your thread - Just trying to help keep people in the know
hopefully it will get CM
i really cant stand touchwiz
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Android Development should only contain threads based on actual projects/ROMs/kernels/etc being developed. Discussions about what may or may not be coming to the device should go in general. Best rule of thumb in my book: if you're not actually developing something yourself, a thread shouldn't be started here.
Sorry if I came off like a prick - I just know that this ends up becoming more work for the mods who have to comb through and move threads around.
Also I apologize for theoretically hijacking your thread - Just trying to help keep people in the know
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No problem, I didn't know that.
Maybe a moderator can move the thread into the appropriate forum.
What I really like to know is why the Galaxy S still hasn't got a stable release. Is this also to be expected with the S2?
slyydrr said:
Android Development should only contain threads based on actual projects/ROMs/kernels/etc being developed. Discussions about what may or may not be coming to the device should go in general. Best rule of thumb in my book: if you're not actually developing something yourself, a thread shouldn't be started here.
Sorry if I came off like a prick - I just know that this ends up becoming more work for the mods who have to comb through and move threads around.
Also I apologize for theoretically hijacking your thread - Just trying to help keep people in the know
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I agree. Good post, and yes, this should have been in General. Just keep that in mind for the next time We are all excited for this phone, and i personally think that Samsung stock ROM is also quite good. However, to each his own, and I am sure that CM will be out for this phone too
Cheers!
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No problem, I didn't know that.
Maybe a moderator can move the thread into the appropriate forum.
What I really like to know is why the Galaxy S still hasn't got a stable release. Is this also to be expected with the S2?
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The SGS2 is similar to the SGS in many ways, therefore CM will be difficult to port over.
Especially that there is no Nexus S 2 (a lot of CM7 is from the Nexus S)
Don't expect CM7+ to be running on the SGS2 anytime soon, although it probably eventually will. That's unless anything else happen (a/a genius comes along b/samsung open source more stuff c/Nexus S 2 is released d/sgs2 shares even more with the sgs than I though and current work can be ported over more easily)
This phone is fast enough without CM7. A clean up of the stock ROM, a new launcher and its sweet enough!
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This phone is fast enough without CM7. A clean up of the stock ROM, a new launcher and its sweet enough!
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It will still miss the CM Tweaks.
A shame that Cyanogen has chosen the G2x as his next phone. The Galaxy S2 is way better than the G2x.
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The SGS2 is similar to the SGS in many ways, therefore CM will be difficult to port over.
Especially that there is no Nexus S 2 (a lot of CM7 is from the Nexus S)
Don't expect CM7+ to be running on the SGS2 anytime soon, although it probably eventually will. That's unless anything else happen (a/a genius comes along b/samsung open source more stuff c/Nexus S 2 is released d/sgs2 shares even more with the sgs than I though and current work can be ported over more easily)
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i'm not aware of the history, why exactly was it difficult to bring cyanogen to the original galaxy s, and hence this SGS2 as well? wasnt it like any other phone, the source was released, and cm team built from that?
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i'm not aware of the history, why exactly was it difficult to bring cyanogen to the original galaxy s, and hence this SGS2 as well? wasnt it like any other phone, the source was released, and cm team built from that?
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Open-source drivers are hard to find. The system is open source but the drivers are not.
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Open-source drivers are hard to find. The system is open source but the drivers are not.
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Isn't this the case with any other phone?
But why doesn't the Galaxy S have a stable CM ROM then?
Buy the devs a SGS 2 and they can work on it . Bit hard to work on a phone you dont have .
jje
Well, apparently they have a Galaxy S, otherwise there wouldn't be Release Candidates.
Why is it difficult to get CM7 on SGS phones if Samsung doesn't lock bootloader ?
Was going to post in QA, but I think this question might be better suited in dev section. Feel free to move if needed.
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Why is it difficult to get CM7 on SGS phones if Samsung doesn't lock bootloader ?
Was going to post in QA, but I think this question might be better suited in dev section. Feel free to move if needed.
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I think its cuz the drivers are proprietery but I know for sure its cuz Samsung jumbles up the source code so it makes it harder to combine the cm7 code with the Samsung code
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I've wondered the same thing.. perhaps has something to do with the framework? Still no 'official' leak of the Gingerbread source for the Samsung Fascinate.. maybe someone can fill us in?
It has nothing to do with the bootloader. All an unlocked bootloader does is allows you to install custom ROMs and kernels without having to use elaborate workarounds like they use for the Droid X (and even then, there's no way to install custom kernels). The problem, as stated before, is with the proprietary code Samsung uses for its device drivers.
Incidentally, all questions belong in the Q&A section, even those having to do with development. The Development section is for posting ROMs, kernels, and mods, along with the occasional step-by-step guide.
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I've wondered the same thing.. perhaps has something to do with the framework? Still no 'official' leak of the Gingerbread source for the Samsung Fascinate.. maybe someone can fill us in?
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Well, considering that cm7 is gingerbread and that means .35 kernels (GB kernels). And our current functioning cm7's are using hacked. 32 kernels (froyo kernels), I'm amazed any of it functions. Jt and kaos have done an amazing job combining something that wasn't supposed to be together.
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It has nothing to do with the bootloader. All an unlocked bootloader does is allows you to install custom ROMs and kernels without having to use elaborate workarounds like they use for the Droid X (and even then, there's no way to install custom kernels). The problem, as stated before, is with the proprietary code Samsung uses for its device drivers.
Incidentally, all questions belong in the Q&A section, even those having to do with development. The Development section is for posting ROMs, kernels, and mods, along with the occasional step-by-step guide.
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As others have said, it's Samsung's proprietary code and stuff. But I have a question for you? Is that the case with the Galaxy S2 as well? I know they didn't use their proprietary RFS file system, is it the same with everything else?
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As others have said, it's Samsung's proprietary code and stuff. But I have a question for you? Is that the case with the Galaxy S2 as well? I know they didn't use their proprietary RFS file system, is it the same with everything else?
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If you jump on over to the Galaxy S II Android Development forum and scroll down far enough, you'll find a thread for an AOSP ROM. In the OP you'll find a very familiar list of things that don't work. That tells me that Samsung has still not repented of its wayward ways and is still using proprietary code for its device drivers.
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If you jump on over to the Galaxy S II Android Development forum and scroll down far enough, you'll find a thread for an AOSP ROM. In the OP you'll find a very familiar list of things that don't work. That tells me that Samsung has still not repented of its wayward ways and is still using proprietary code for its device drivers.
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All OEM manufacturers use proprietary code, even HTC does. What really matters is how much did they change from the stock AOSP code, and how easy is it to reverse engineer the stuff that they did change that is needed. Samsung made a lot of stupid changes in our AOSP code that are unique to the Fascinate (like padding data) which makes trying to get AOSP working that much harder.
Hello I'm a newb!
I'm sorry, but this is the unfortunate state I find myself in.
When I first found this site, what I was expecting to find was a ICS for my phone. I could not have guessed what I would learn here. I had no idea I had a counter in my phone to worry about when installing open sourced roms? Next after much more reading I am to learn the source code Google releases is not complete, and uses binary drivers? Now I am to learn about CIQ, and my phone is spying on me? Wow!
Before I say anything else I want to express my thanks to this community. This has been such a resource I had no idea that it would be when I started. Thank you!
Now on to my question that after learning about all of that I don't seem to have a clear answer to. What I wanted when I first considered getting an Android phone, was to build from source, and run my own rom. I still want this, even more so since I learned about CIQ.
1. Due to the counter on my phone
2. I am to understand multiple images that make the phone work (boot, firmware, system)
3. The binary drivers.
Is this at all a reasonable goal?
Are there more flash images that I haven't read about yet?
Would having a direct from Google rom even be desirable?
I own a stock SGH-I777, I have done nothing to it yet.
Lastly about this site:
Is there anything you think I should read about on the forums?
Any language I should know, as in what does hellraiser imply/mean?
Any Android experience you think might benefit a could be developer?
Counter can be reset and avoided all together.
Sorry I don't know much about AOSP building, but your better off starting with compiling CM and learn from there unless you are really experienced in coding.
Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source. Ty for reminding me.
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Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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No it was just some phones, I think the skyrocket had it at some point.
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Ok, so I rooted my first cell phone. It would seem heimdall latest has a bug that will brick your phone. (I'm on Mac OS Lion) I used the 1.3.1 instead, and it worked fine.
I saw many more sites, and this was quite easy. The way they showed it was very complex. Since I'm new at this should I wait to try out a ICS rom till after Samsung releases their source code, and the devs have had a chance to get it stable? How complete is the open source version of ICS? There was a note on the fsf.org page that linked me over here that some of the parts were still binary. Is it still true?
I think long term I want to get away from the official releases.
Well, you came this far, might as well flash an ICS rom now. If the leaks are any indication of status, the Samsung release will be pretty stable but the included kernel is problematic because it can cause hardbricking. Besides, you want to get away from stock, and all of the big roms released thus far are pretty darn stable; I don't know anything about binary parts or any of the coding, but plenty of people have no problem running CM or AOKP. Even the Samsung-based roms all look AOSP-like nowadays because they use Apex or Nova (not many devs like Touchwiz anymore). So take your pick, they're all good roms and most look like AOSP to some extent, with a few (mainly CM and AOKP) striving for pure AOSP.
Make sure to read and follow this guide carefully for flashing stuff, and have fun!
Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Prother, by no mean to offense you, but seriously, if you don't know those fundamental technical terms, I strongly suggest you to hold off what you about to do and spend more time reading.
Let me go off and do a search the post for you, where you can get used to those terms.
Hang tight, prother.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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So I will. To be honest I don't see the connection between the new jargon, and development I learn in school. There is definately much to learn here. I was expecting this to be like Zaurus development from back when I was active, it's very clear to me that this is a very different beast.
Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Thank you friend. I may not have my own rom at the end of summer, but I should be on my way to understanding what would be needed for one.
Well the terms I wanted are not present on that list, most of that I was familiar with. To be honest, some of it I have not seen before as well. What is hellraiser, and some of the other xda developed jargon? I do have a tab open to that part of the forums, I just hadn't made it over there yet. I started on the forums for my device, then Android OS, and lastly general. Is there any other place I should pay special attention to that would help me?
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok? I'm not sure I understand, is there something you don't like about the aokp rom that doesn't work very well?
I want off of the carrier provided images based on personal conviction. Google's development practices smack of cathedral, as do all of the 3rd party companies. In a sense they are abusing the spirit of free software by using a signed kernel to impede (if not actually prevent) our right to modify hardware we own. Any normal user of the software provided by the community (bazaar) can only help the cause.
I plan to share what I personally learn with close friends who live in my area. The more people we liberate, the better for everyone else. I simply applaud the work done here.
You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
From a relative noob:
Follow the directions in the " [GUIDE] How to Flash Custom Binaries Without Ever Incrementing the Flash Counter!! " thread. Then pick a rom you want to try and follow the CWM directions ... after that , find a ROM you like. If you don't want to void your warranty, wait for your carrier to provide the closest thing to what you want ... but, I'm happy with my flashed ICS ROM.
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
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Just like everyone else has said. Read read read. Search for answers for your questions before you ask on forums. U will be fine as long as u can read and follow simple directions. Good luck to u. If u haven't flashed a rom yet I would recommend aokp. Awesome rom.
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Hi Kazuni et al, are you developing a non-Samsung themed JB ROM for the I9305? Something like the many CM10/ParanoidAndroid ROMs that are available for the I9300? Would be great to have a "purer" ROM for this new flagship....less of the Samsung customization
This has been discussed several times before but the I9305/I9300 share most of the same components, less the radio correct? If so, would the I9300 ROMs work if they're used w/ a 9305 radio instead? So it would be an easier way to port 9300-developed ROMs over?
Would love to see this, esp if it's built on the new 4.1.2!
There are other differences as well like a different partition layout, but I guess that they might partially work if configured with a compatible layout, would likely have no sound or modem functionality without proper work, a Rom compiled for this model would be better.
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I have asked xplodwild in the cm10 thread uf any if team hacksung are able time work on a port. We can but hope!!!
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I have asked xplodwild in the cm10 thread uf any if team hacksung are able time work on a port. We can but hope!!!
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I have my fingers crossed. After putting CM10 on a relatives SG3 I want in on the action bad.
I intend to jump in and have a go at CM10 for the i9305 when I receive mine this week. It will be my first attempt at a complete ROM so don't hold your breath or anything.
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I intend to jump in and have a go at CM10 for the i9305 when I receive mine this week. It will be my first attempt at a complete ROM so don't hold your breath or anything.
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:good: You go champ! Let us know how you progress!
Man I hope there is a CM10 rom soon. I want to get started on rooting, I am an iOS refugeee!!! All im doing is watching people on youtube with CM10/Paranoid Android and being jealous. =(
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I intend to jump in and have a go at CM10 for the i9305 when I receive mine this week. It will be my first attempt at a complete ROM so don't hold your breath or anything.
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Oh I will be holding my breath!
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Man I hope there is a CM10 rom soon. I want to get started on rooting, I am an iOS refugeee!!! All im doing is watching people on youtube with CM10/Paranoid Android and being jealous. =(
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Don't get me wrong, but didn't you notice the big ****storm about samsung being developer unfriendly and the exynos platform being the hell on earth?
Some of our guys are very sick of samsung and are not going to touch any of the new samsung devices.
Not saying that nobody will port it, but i recommend you to sell this device as fast as possible and get a new upcoming nexus device if you really wanna run AOSP based roms.
If you like laggy and buggy AOSP roms and especially waiting for round about 6 months to get a new android version, stay on what you're currently owning.
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Don't get me wrong, but didn't you notice the big ****storm about samsung being developer unfriendly and the exynos platform being the hell on earth?
Some of our guys are very sick of samsung and are not going to touch any of the new samsung devices.
Not saying that nobody will port it, but i recommend you to sell this device as fast as possible and get a new upcoming nexus device if you really wanna run AOSP based roms.
If you like laggy and buggy AOSP roms and especially waiting for round about 6 months to get a new android version, stay on what you're currently owning.
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I didn't really expect you to add something positive to this topic.!. I really hope that all of us that just got the I9503 didn't buy it for only running AOSP based roms. If that was the case I would buy the upcoming LG nexus that's NOT the case for me. And SamsungExynos posted a tweet today "full availability of integrated source code for #Exynos 4 family of processors on OrigenBoard by the end of 2012"
I wonder what will happen to all these devs that left the GS3 because of samsung not releasing the Source. And then now it looks like they will b releasing something soon, Are you all going to come back? Or just let new and upcoming devs take over. I Feel that with all sources released on this device with the Quad Core and 2gb Ram DAMMMM how smoooth will a proper built CM10 run. And to be honest My device is very smooth as it is. I am not dying for CM10 i actually like the new touchwiz, I like features and animations. And with all of that , this is still hell smooth in my opinion. Either way To me its a win win, if they release the source GREAT if not oh well still very good!!... But i do believe they will release it.
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I wonder what will happen to all these devs that left the GS3 because of samsung not releasing the Source. And then now it looks like they will b releasing something soon, Are you all going to come back? Or just let new and upcoming devs take over. I Feel that with all sources released on this device with the Quad Core and 2gb Ram DAMMMM how smoooth will a proper built CM10 run. And to be honest My device is very smooth as it is. I am not dying for CM10 i actually like the new touchwiz, I like features and animations. And with all of that , this is still hell smooth in my opinion. Either way To me its a win win, if they release the source GREAT if not oh well still very good!!... But i do believe they will release it.
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-----> "for OrigenBoard" <-----
It's a exynos development board and has not much to do with samsung smartphones.
The ICS code was broken, outdated and mostly unusable on phones.
The same code is now available again.
I really don't expect a wonder.
From what andreilux has seen and stated below it does not seem like the old stuff and samsung continue to update. Last update was done earlier today here is what andreilux said in the exynos petition page in the i9300:
(They released the 5250 development board and site together with a 800 page user's manual, something which we didn't have before for any SoC. I'll have to see what they uploaded on the Git as it's quite a lot.
Edit: from what I can see at first glance they have 4.1.1 Jellybean sources up there and apparently the newest stuff.
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So it seems samsung is pulling up there sox and getting **** done. Maybe christmas came early i also have news from a great dev getting our devic. (I9305) but must not say who at this point
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From what andreilux has seen and stated below it does not seem like the old stuff and samsung continue to update. Last update was done earlier today here is what andreilux said in the exynos petition page in the i9300:
(They released the 5250 development board and site together with a 800 page user's manual, something which we didn't have before for any SoC. I'll have to see what they uploaded on the Git as it's quite a lot.
Edit: from what I can see at first glance they have 4.1.1 Jellybean sources up there and apparently the newest stuff.
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So it seems samsung is pulling up there sox and getting **** done. Maybe christmas came early i also have news from a great dev getting our devic. (I9305) but must not say who at this point
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Will this dev build ROMs or only Kernels?
All i want for my nice i9305 is a real good dev
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Will this dev build ROMs or only Kernels?
All i want for my nice i9305 is a real good dev
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kernel is the most important thing here atm...but a good cm or aosp were pretty hell for this phone !
i heard miui will release a jb version for i9300 soon so this porting would be easy
Yes he does. But not saying anything more for now
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Omfg sorry for spam but the dev will build really ROMs?
Sorry Spaming here but a CM10 Rom for my I9305 would be realy Great.
+1 to non-Samsung-based JB rom like CM10, PA or PACman's mix of all three I'm picking up my i9305 this weekend (South Africa) and really hope that some of the big dev's take to this handset.. number of roms at current is dis-heartening :crying: :crying:
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-----> "for OrigenBoard" <-----
It's a exynos development board and has not much to do with samsung smartphones.
The ICS code was broken, outdated and mostly unusable on phones.
The same code is now available again.
I really don't expect a wonder.
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Hi codeworkx.. this is a copy of a post I made on another i9305 thread, it seems more relevant here tho..
Samsung have released the source code for the i9305.. here and I noticed it's also on Github here does this mean there's a chance of more dev's buying into this device for custom rom and kernel devving
defibitely deserves a plus one on this. cm10 porterssss please i would love to experience a proper stock jb theme
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