So I just moved and had great reception and pulling good speeds on data and all where unused to live. Now I'm pretty much out in the country and my reception has dropped off horribly! Even texts are struggling to go out, would changing radios possibly improve my signal? Any other ideas are appreciated
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roush427rr said:
So I just moved and had great reception and pulling good speeds on data and all where unused to live. Now I'm pretty much out in the country and my reception has dropped off horribly! Even texts are struggling to go out, would changing radios possibly improve my signal? Any other ideas are appreciated
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go to an ATT store and spend 50 bucks on a refurbished microcell. You will be glad you did.
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roush427rr said:
So I just moved and had great reception and pulling good speeds on data and all where unused to live. Now I'm pretty much out in the country and my reception has dropped off horribly! Even texts are struggling to go out, would changing radios possibly improve my signal? Any other ideas are appreciated
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Different modem could improve your signal as well.
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+1 on Microcell, got one a month ago,5 bars all the time and you can put 10 numbers on it.
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Different modem may help.
Microcell might help, but I've seen lots of reports of them acting strange/buggy/having compatibility problems.
A properly installed Wilson amplifier kit may also work - part of it depends - if you are outside, is the reception better? Is it better on your roof?
I have one of Wilson's car kits, and it has greatly exceeded my expectations.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Booster-Vehicle-Profile/dp/B0011GI94Q/ref=cm_cr-mr-title is the kit I have
For home installation you'll need a different setup - higher-gain/higher-power amp, and ideally, use the highest gain antenna you can buy (one of their directional Yagis) on the roof.
Note that Bad Things happen if there is not enough isolation between the inner and outer antennas. A high-gain Yagi will help here, also, if signal is much worse indoors than out, your house is more likely to provide the needed isolation to keep the amp from going nuts.
I have a tin foil that I like to wear when I'm in the country here in AL. If I hold my mouth just right,I get great reception...hard to talk though.
Jank4AU said:
I have a tin foil that I like to wear when I'm in the country here in AL. If I hold my mouth just right,I get great reception...hard to talk though.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Personally might try the tin foil in the mouth! Seems like the right thing to do! While I'm at it I'll make sure I wear my hockey spikes, lick all the windows in the house and take the short bus to work!
What exactly does the micro cell do? When your talking modems are you referring to the modem installed on the phone or the physical modem in the house?
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Entropy512 said:
Different modem may help.
Microcell might help, but I've seen lots of reports of them acting strange/buggy/having compatibility problems.
A properly installed Wilson amplifier kit may also work - part of it depends - if you are outside, is the reception better? Is it better on your roof?
I have one of Wilson's car kits, and it has greatly exceeded my expectations.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Booster-Vehicle-Profile/dp/B0011GI94Q/ref=cm_cr-mr-title is the kit I have
For home installation you'll need a different setup - higher-gain/higher-power amp, and ideally, use the highest gain antenna you can buy (one of their directional Yagis) on the roof.
Note that Bad Things happen if there is not enough isolation between the inner and outer antennas. A high-gain Yagi will help here, also, if signal is much worse indoors than out, your house is more likely to provide the needed isolation to keep the amp from going nuts.
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A microcell is basically a very small cell tower in your house - it will talk to up to 10 3g devices (does NOT work with 2g only dumb phones unfortunately) that you designate, and it runs all of it's communication to ATTs network through your highspeed internet connection (so yes, you do have to have a working highspeed connection for it to work)
Entropy is correct regarding wackiness of MicroCells - When I first got mine it would not recognize my SGS2 for anything (my Aria, my wife's Cappy, and my wifes SGS2 had no issues). Went through about an hour of troubleshooting with ATT before they had me swap sim cards with my wife - this made both SGS2s show up on the microcell. Swapped sim cards back, and no issues with it talking to my phone after that.
Twice since I've had the MicroCell it lost it's data connection - devices would connect, and voice calls and SMS would work, but no data over the microcell (this isn't a huge issue if you also have wifi, but it causes problems with MMS and the android market). This has been remedied by logging into my ATT account and disconnecting then reconnecting the microcell via the web.
However, the relatively minimal pain this has caused is far outweighed by going from frequent (3 to 5 times in a 10 minute call) dropped calls and poor-ish battery life due to cell radios cranking full blast to retain signal to landline-like call quality with no drops and improved battery life at home.
jivy26 said:
Different modem could improve your signal as well.
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Jivy is referring to the modem software in the device - and yes a different one might improve your reception.
One thing is, the microcell relies on your Internet connection AND your house having power, but AT&T still charges you for usage even though you are not putting any load onto their spectrum infrastructure at all!
A properly installed bidirectional amp only needs power - and if you want reliability, you can easily battery-backup the system.
The only time a microcell would be better is if your local tower goes completely down but you stilll have power AND internet at home.
Entropy512 said:
One thing is, the microcell relies on your Internet connection AND your house having power, but AT&T still charges you for usage even though you are not putting any load onto their spectrum infrastructure at all!
A properly installed bidirectional amp only needs power - and if you want reliability, you can easily battery-backup the system.
The only time a microcell would be better is if your local tower goes completely down but you stilll have power AND internet at home.
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Just did some quick looking over on amazon, because I was curious about this type of set-up. Looks like about $400-$500 bucks for a home setup? Is that correct, or am I missing something?
Hmm, yeah, that's the other disadvantage - they are more expensive. However they are also carrier-independent.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Booster-Omni-Directional-Antennas/dp/B001R4BTH6 is a full kit at $345, it doesn't have an outdoor yagi though.
http://www.amazon.com/801245-Cellular-Phone-Signal-Booster/dp/B000PD02HI is one of their raw amps, antennas are around $60 each (one internal one external), that one has the directional yagi listed as a "frequently bought together")
Entropy512 said:
One thing is, the microcell relies on your Internet connection AND your house having power, but AT&T still charges you for usage even though you are not putting any load onto their spectrum infrastructure at all!
A properly installed bidirectional amp only needs power - and if you want reliability, you can easily battery-backup the system.
The only time a microcell would be better is if your local tower goes completely down but you stilll have power AND internet at home.
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AT&T dosent charge me at all for having a microcell. It just pulls from my normal minutes and/or mobile to mobile minutes. I also wasnt charged to get one... I told them where I lived and they said that was a known dead spot and gave me a new microcell for free.
I stopped using it though because I noticed a significant battery drain when I used my microcell with my phones. I first got it with my Captivate but it would drain it within about 5 hours (even untouched) and with my GSII it did the same thing, although not as fast. Id rather have 2 bars and better battery life than 5 bars and a dead phone by 3:00 in the afternoon.
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AT&T dosent charge me at all for having a microcell. It just pulls from my normal minutes and/or mobile to mobile minutes. I also wasnt charged to get one... I told them where I lived and they said that was a known dead spot and gave me a new microcell for free.
I stopped using it though because I noticed a significant battery drain when I used my microcell with my phones. I first got it with my Captivate but it would drain it within about 5 hours (even untouched) and with my GSII it did the same thing, although not as fast. Id rather have 2 bars and better battery life than 5 bars and a dead phone by 3:00 in the afternoon.
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I don't get a monthly charge for the MicroCell either - I think what Entropy was referring to is that we ARE still using our plan minutes, while NOT using any of ATTs over-the-air infrastructure. If ATT wanted to be nice to us, we should get unlimited talk time on the MicroCell without having to pay extra. But then again, they charge like a bastard for SMS, which should also be free (but that's a whole other argument ). As you said, it is still a benefit, at least for me, because I can now reliably make mobile-to-mobile calls to my house (with unlimited M2M minutes) rather than calling my home VOIP number and using peak minutes.
As far as battery drain goes, the MicroCell is MUCH better on my battery than the 1 bar that I get without it. FWIW, today, I have been at home except for about 2 hours - phone off the charger from 6:30am, so about 8hrs 20 minutes, with about 5 minutes of talk time, 15 min of screen on, Gmail push, and eBuddy XMS (yeah, can't convince my wife that gTalk is just as good and won't kill our batteries - the things we do for love...) and my battery is at 91%, so just over 1% per hour with minimal usage. I'm on Jivy's ICScreweD 1.6.1 with Entropy's 01022012 kernel.
Entropy512 said:
Different modem may help.
Microcell might help, but I've seen lots of reports of them acting strange/buggy/having compatibility problems.
A properly installed Wilson amplifier kit may also work - part of it depends - if you are outside, is the reception better? Is it better on your roof?
I have one of Wilson's car kits, and it has greatly exceeded my expectations.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Booster-Vehicle-Profile/dp/B0011GI94Q/ref=cm_cr-mr-title is the kit I have
For home installation you'll need a different setup - higher-gain/higher-power amp, and ideally, use the highest gain antenna you can buy (one of their directional Yagis) on the roof.
Note that Bad Things happen if there is not enough isolation between the inner and outer antennas. A high-gain Yagi will help here, also, if signal is much worse indoors than out, your house is more likely to provide the needed isolation to keep the amp from going nuts.
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I have this same booster and it works amazing. definitely pricey but it works
So where would I go about finding modems for the phone on here? I am rooted and running he iscrewed rom and really like it opposed to the miui I had run on here before.
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roush427rr said:
So where would I go about finding modems for the phone on here? I am rooted and running he iscrewed rom and really like it opposed to the miui I had run on here before.
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Since you're new Ill help ya out... but next time there is a handy little search function in the top right corner of the screen... it will change your life.
Red5 said:
AT&T dosent charge me at all for having a microcell. It just pulls from my normal minutes and/or mobile to mobile minutes.
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That is charging you for a microcell. It's YOUR infrastructure, YOUR internet backhaul - but they still charge you as if you were using their infrastructure and backhaul.
Entropy is correct, I called att 2 weeks ago asking about it complaining of poor reception etc. I don't know how long ago you guys had it but as of now its 19.99/month plus cost of device and that's an additional charge on top of current bill.
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Nizda1 said:
Entropy is correct, I called att 2 weeks ago asking about it complaining of poor reception etc. I don't know how long ago you guys had it but as of now its 19.99/month plus cost of device and that's an additional charge on top of current bill.
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Unless something changed since end of September, the 20 bucks a month charge will get you additional (unlimited maybe, I can't recall details) talk and data over the Microcell. Was definitely NOT required when I bought mine...
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Question for anyone who actually uses an extended battery in their Rezound (if you don't use one, please don't respond) ...
... Since the phone's heat tends to come from the battery, do you know if your phone is running cooler (due to the increased space / higher capacity so less pull on a draining battery / etc) than it was when you were running the standard battery with the standard back?
... Also, is your signal any better or worse?
Thanks
jdmba said:
Question for anyone who actually uses an extended battery in their Rezound (if you don't use one, please don't respond) ...
... Since the phone's heat tends to come from the battery, do you know if your phone is running cooler (due to the increased space / higher capacity so less pull on a draining battery / etc) than it was when you were running the standard battery with the standard back?
... Also, is your signal any better or worse?
Thanks
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Hi,
I have two Rezounds, they both use to overheat doing simple things like playing local mp3s. While playing netflix it will overheat so much it will turn itself off.
At one point one phone got so hot I had to wait few minutes before I was able to turn it back on.
After having both of them replaced by vz, I got extended batteries for both. So far both new phones seem to work better with no overheat issues.
I was able to get the batteries 50% off. This was offer by vz without me asking.
hope this help.
Ummm
hw6515 said:
Hi,
I have two Rezounds, they both use to overheat doing simple things like playing local mp3s. While playing netflix it will overheat so much it will turn itself off.
At one point one phone got so hot I had to wait few minutes before I was able to turn it back on.
After having both of them replaced by vz, I got extended batteries for both. So far both new phones seem to work better with no overheat issues.
I was able to get the batteries 50% off. This was offer by vz without me asking.
hope this help.
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While I definitely thank you for the reply, I don't think it does help. You said you had 2 phones which overheated, you returned them to Verizon and 2 new ones that don't, and oh, you put extended batteries on them Would love to have known if your OLD phones stopped overheating with the extended batteries, but that ship has sailed.
SO the question remains. Can anyone who moved to the extended batteries please advise if your phone ran cooler and/or had a better signal?
Thanks
Not sure about the signal, but the Rezound with an extended overheats less because of the exhaust port, and more room for the heat to dissipate.
exhaust port?
i think that's the external speaker. same grill on the standard battery cover.
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I was just going to let that go. Of course it is a speaker hole
I guess no one who actually owns an extended battery is able to answer. <sigh>
jdmba said:
I was just going to let that go. Of course it is a speaker hole
I guess no one who actually owns an extended battery is able to answer. <sigh>
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wow, I was going to answer, but with that attitude, why bother? You gave people 6 hours on a weekend to answer your question....
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I'll answer this even with the OP's attitude, to help others that might want to know.
I tested my rezound last week to see how hot it would go. I wanted to try and push it to the max and see if it would overheat. I've had overheating htc phones before (hd2) and it is something of a known issue with htc phones.
To test I used the following settings:
1. Brightness to 100%
2. Wifi off, 4g on, getting 2 bars of 4g with signal strength around -80
3. Phone on the stock wall charger and cable
I opened onlive (new streaming gaming app) and let it play for about 20 minutes. Basicly, I chose to view someone else playing and let it stream. Picked a game that looked pretty graphicly involved (saints row?, not up on all the new games).
After 20 minutes, checked the battery temp. On the stock battery, I hit 117. Once I closed out onlive, it immediately started dropping.
Using the extended battery with a case:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ryDetails&archetypeId=12854&accessoryId=48044
I hit 115 running onlive. So unless you have a bad battery, I don't think the extended vs the stock will make a difference in your temperature.
I'm guessing that running hot has a lot to do with signal strength on 4g.
nrfitchett4 said:
I tested my rezound last week to see how hot it would go. I wanted to try and push it to the max and see if it would overheat. I've had overheating htc phones before (hd2) and it is something of a known issue with htc phones.
To test I used the following settings:
1. Brightness to 100%
2. Wifi off, 4g on, getting 2 bars of 4g with signal strength around -80
3. Phone on the stock wall charger and cable
I opened onlive (new streaming gaming app) and let it play for about 20 minutes. Basicly, I chose to view someone else playing and let it stream. Picked a game that looked pretty graphicly involved (saints row?, not up on all the new games).
After 20 minutes, checked the battery temp. On the stock battery, I hit 117. Once I closed out onlive, it immediately started dropping.
Using the extended battery with a case:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...ryDetails&archetypeId=12854&accessoryId=48044
I hit 115 running onlive. So unless you have a bad battery, I don't think the extended vs the stock will make a difference in your temperature.
I'm guessing that running hot has a lot to do with signal strength on 4g.
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For Science!
check out the pic. notice when i went to 3g when i went out for a bit, my battery just dropped... i didn't use the phone that much when I was out, and it still drained that much. hmm.
actually right now I can't upload a pic. anyone else having that issue from the app?
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No problems on my end bro!
VZW has had problems with their data system for the last 3 or 4 months. Your issues are probably related to to the problems all 4G phones are experiencing these days. You will see people in all the 4G forums complaining of losing data and low signals killing batteries. Saturday I was in a low signal area and kept losing 4G down to 1X and that also heated up my battery for the first time since I got the phone.
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i just have nothing to compare it to, because everywhere i go, i use wifi all the time lol....i haven't used just 3g in SO damn long, so i don't have a basis to compare with the rezound
Idling on 3G doesn't seem to hurt me too bad (I usually let juice defender keep it off to mitigate the risk), but actually using it is way more draining than wifi. I can sit online all night at home on wifi, but only get about two hours of solid use when I'm out and about.
Going to a 4G city this weekend for the first time. Bringing backup batteries.
I think what may be happening is that once it drops to 3g or 1x it tries hard to get back to 4g and that is what hurts more than anything.
Try forcing it to 3g only and see if you have the same drop in battery under preferably the same conditions.
NilsP said:
I think what may be happening is that once it drops to 3g or 1x it tries hard to get back to 4g and that is what hurts more than anything.
Try forcing it to 3g only and see if you have the same drop in battery under preferably the same conditions.
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Yes,that is what happened to me Saturday,it dropped to 1X and overheated trying to get back to 4G.
I did force it to 3G and it still stayed hot. But I had that happen once with my Thunderbolt, so I feel it is the vzw data signal not the phone.
3G kills battery compared to wifi.
i shut off 4g the day i got it lol...yeah, i think 3g just uses noticably more battery tahn wifi
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3G kills battery compared to wifi.
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definately. i can sit at home, connected to my wifi, and i can get like 2 or 3 days out of the battery. with light usage that is. on 3g though, with light usage, i'm lucky if i can get a full day.
3g actually saves my battery, somehow 4g and WiFi take more battery for me
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lmao, awesome username.
So, i will make this blunt... This non overclocked phone gets hotter than any other mobile device i have tried...
I am already on my second one, after number one hit 125 while sitting on my desk. This one has hit 114, which is still unacceptable really, since the room is climate controlled to around 74...what happens when I use it in the summer??
Now, by virtue of need (infrastructure tether) , I am using the ICS beta, but I cannot believe it will effect it that much. I have a 3.7v battery, so that should be good.. I will admit that I am in a building that does not do well for 4g, but frankly, my phone burning itself up just searching for a signal is unacceptable as well...
I am about ready to throw in the towel and try a GNex, even though its radio problems scare me too...Any advice guys?
what apps are running, also is this while it is charging?
Just want to start with a big thanks for all of your work over on the nook boards. The overheating has been an issue since the start. I am on my third because of it. I only reach high temps when playing games. I can stream movies all day long, and never get over 110. I am waiting for an aftermarket battery that can handle the drain from this beast phone. I guess it depends on what you will use your phone for. Glad to see you here, and hope you stay. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Good luck....
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Most apps won't affect temperature in any real way.
Tethering requires broadcasting wifi signal, and equivalently large wifi broadcast (broadcast SSID, and all data) at an equal speed to the ultra-fast 4g.
Now, this 4g phone (as well as ANY OTHER LTE PHONE RIGHT NOW) will overheat if you download a 300-500MB file at a fast 4g speed (like 25 MBit for instance).
Overheat. Untouchable.
Wifi tether (even on 3g) will overheat a phone if you're using a decent amount of data (rather than using it for short bursts).
My HTC Eris, I had to leave the back battery cover off, and put a cold can of soda (with a paper towl in between to stop moisture) to keep it from overheating.
The Rezound will get so hot that you literally can't touch it.
Charging WHILE you tether will make it a lot worse, as the chemical activity within the battery (to charge it) is going to increase heat. Add that to 4g cell phone connection, and the wifi antenna getting hot broadcasting, and you've got a 125 degree phone (which IS hot enough to start breaking solder points).
If you have it OFF the charger at that temperature, you will notice that the notification light is now flashing orange/green back and forth. This means that the unit is overheating and should be shut off, immediately.
Get the extended battery to hang out and wireless tether for a while. It generates a whole lot less heat if not on the charger, and seems to (maybe due to the case that has more space for air in it) not heat up quite as much, in my experience.
Tethering can overheat your phone. 4g can overheat your phone. Add charging to that, and it doesn't matter how many rezounds (or GNEXes) you get. These things have no real ventilation, and there's no indication that they're going to start designing them with good ventilation that I know of.
Good luck, power user. Users like you force them to think about their poor designs and improve them. But it definitely won't handle a lot of 4g tethering without overheating. I'd expect that, without ever even having a Rezound (even though I have one).
They say 130 is the kiss of death for the Rezound but even if you're peaking in that neighborhood I'd swap out the phone for a new one. 120-130 degrees...That's like keeping lava in your phone and hoping it doesn't melt.
I hit 130 with my Inc1, and it was fine. Just navigating, not charging, for 30 min did it lol.
Mine heats up excessively and burns thru battery even sitting idle with airplane mode enabled and GPS turned off (damn Verizon and their location agent they snuck in with the update). The issue here is:
A) I'm not using it nor touching it period for a few hours at a time and its still already below 30% battery without my having used it.
B) yes I have an extra battery but when I try to switch out batteries it goes into a bootloop and won't recognize the Sim card for the next half hour.
These are my problems. I have yet to exchange it cause let's be honest...who here enjoys setting up a whole other phone? Should I seek a replacement?
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Geoi1006 said:
Mine heats up excessively and burns thru battery even sitting idle with airplane mode enabled and GPS turned off (damn Verizon and their location agent they snuck in with the update). The issue here is:
A) I'm not using it nor touching it period for a few hours at a time and its still already below 30% battery without my having used it.
B) yes I have an extra battery but when I try to switch out batteries it goes into a bootloop and won't recognize the Sim card for the next half hour.
These are my problems. I have yet to exchange it cause let's be honest...who here enjoys setting up a whole other phone? Should I seek a replacement?
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Back it up to your ext card and exchange. Don't forget to hard reset. They are sending refurbished units with prev owner data out there. Should only get hot when playing intense games or streaming lots data.
I had this heating and severe battery loss problem. There were times my phone would run fine and other times when it would lose 40% battery in 30 minutes. It seemed to be worse when I was moving around the city (changing towers???). I even had one experience where I turned the phone off and it continued to generate lots of heat until the battery died while supposedly powered off.
I tried every stock and rooted GB rom (no ICS) on XDA and a few not on XDA. I finally "fixed" it by RUU'ing my phone to the latest OTA, rerooting and reinstalling all my apps (no TiB). My phone now runs about 16 hours on a charge and only gets slightly warm (never hot) when you would expect it to.
I did a fair amount of reading and never did find an answer but my suspicion is that something between the rom and radio got out of sync resulting in the rom not controlling the radio properly. No science. Just a theory...
Hope this helps someone, somewhere. I know I've gotten lots of help from others on here.
Thanks!
Had many heat concerns/ issues with my rezounds in the past, now have a phone that games at about 115. My opinion after much research is that a 115 peak is about normal for this generation of phones (Gnex, S2, etc). Anything better than this is not the norm and if you get one that stays cooler, it's just luck. I had one that used to get around 150 so at 115, I never even notice anymore. My rule of thumb is to just keep exchanging the hot ones until you get one in the comfort zone. Unfortunately, it's just the reality we're dealing with until they start equipping better cooling solutions.
OK, first I think we need to understand if people are talking F or C when they throw out numbers like 124. If that is C, you have a seriously defective unit. If that is F, that is like moderately hot tapwater, and neither too hot to touch nor hot enough to damage solder joints. If it were, the computer I'm typing this on would be dissolving in my lap.
Welp
I have many a thread out there on this topic. I did 3 swaps for new units during my extended "no regrets" window, and this past week got 2 different refurbs for comparison. Here is my 2 cents (but based on a LOT of research and testing):
1) These phones run hot. If you look hard enough at XDA you will see people posting along the lines of "I don't know what you are talking about, I use my Rezound to chill a beer" and other such. You might be best to ignore those people.
2) There are some VERY bad Rezounds out there, but those are easily found. Those that jump to 130 straight off because they started to download some updates gotta go back. That was refurb 1.
3) My experience is that idling at 75-80 will produce 106 on a short HD game, 110-120 on a longer HD game. You might get 113 on Navigation. It will heat up to 100 on surfing (longer if you have more), but otherwise topping out at 120. If you fit within this, stop your search, and try to enjoy your phone.
Again, just my 2 cents.
I haven't done extensive testing, but I have noticed that when my phone has overheated it has always been when I left something running on it when I locked the screen. I've started hitting the home button every time I put down the phone for more than a few minutes and I haven't had many problems. I definitely get toasty when I play games while charging though.
As someone else already mentioned, the phone needs to get quite a bit hotter than most people are experiencing before it starts having problems. With how small the phones I would expect you would receive an instant 1st degree burn from touching it before the phone actually had problems. 150 C is somewhere around 302 F. For reference, I usually solder 400 F.
My first rezound got around 135 degrees I took it back the next day.
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This laptop is running at 120F just looking at this website, and it has active cooling.
Imagine a 1.5GHz dual core PC and then unplug all the fans, including the one on the CPU, and then close up all the openings in the case. Do you think it might get a little warm?
Not only do you have the CPU generating heat, but the more current you draw from a battery, the hotter it gets. And we all know how this phone can draw the battery.
Geoi1006 said:
Mine heats up excessively and burns thru battery even sitting idle with airplane mode enabled and GPS turned off (damn Verizon and their location agent they snuck in with the update). The issue here is:
A) I'm not using it nor touching it period for a few hours at a time and its still already below 30% battery without my having used it.
B) yes I have an extra battery but when I try to switch out batteries it goes into a bootloop and won't recognize the Sim card for the next half hour.
These are my problems. I have yet to exchange it cause let's be honest...who here enjoys setting up a whole other phone? Should I seek a replacement?
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There is something wrong with your phone. I swap batteries instead of charging, swapping out 1 extended battery for another (got them onsale at verizon when they were 20 bucks), and the phone boots up in about a minute.
If it is bootlooping, then I would try a hard reset first, then contact verizon and tell them about it.
As far as the OP goes, if you are in a poor signal area, I have read in multiple places that phones use more battery and generate more heat if you are in a poor signal area.
Swapping this for a Nexus will probably get you no 4g at all.
I wouldn't worry about the phone unless it was consistently getting so hot that the LED starts flashing amber.
My Rezound has peaked at 140 according to System Tuner Pro. I was charging and web browsing as soon as I woke up, like what I'm doing now lol. Was on 3G. Also, I wasn't overclocked at all. Governor wasn't even on performance lol.
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I have many a thread out there on this topic. I did 3 swaps for new units during my extended "no regrets" window, and this past week got 2 different refurbs for comparison. Here is my 2 cents (but based on a LOT of research and testing):
1) These phones run hot. If you look hard enough at XDA you will see people posting along the lines of "I don't know what you are talking about, I use my Rezound to chill a beer" and other such. You might be best to ignore those people.
2) There are some VERY bad Rezounds out there, but those are easily found. Those that jump to 130 straight off because they started to download some updates gotta go back. That was refurb 1.
3) My experience is that idling at 75-80 will produce 106 on a short HD game, 110-120 on a longer HD game. You might get 113 on Navigation. It will heat up to 100 on surfing (longer if you have more), but otherwise topping out at 120. If you fit within this, stop your search, and try to enjoy your phone.
Again, just my 2 cents.
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lol dude, there is no point in ignoring us people who say our rezounds run cold, because of the fact that there's rezounds out there that don't exhibit behavior like yours.
i've seen all of your threads, and commented in all of them, and you got 3 shotty phones, plain and simple man. my phone never reaches over 100, even with over an hour straight of screen on browsing, facebooking, youtubing, gaming etc. so there, i have a normal rezound. it's from launch day, and it's never given me any problems like that whatsoever.
so no, don't ignore us who have cool running phones, because there IS such a thing..some people just have really bad luck dealing with it.
also keep in mind that the past two phones you got WERE refurbs. you do realize the refurb pool is gonna be full of hot running rezounds, since a lot of people returned the phone due to heat problems, right?
I believe some of the Rezounds get hot due to software issues. My phone will stay room temp and run for 16+ hours on a standard battery while running any GB rom . Once I flash any ICS rom my battery averages 90 to 120 degrees. As it is charging next to me right now, it is sitting at 104 degrees while doing nothing. I could switch back to a GB rom right now and it would be sitting around 80 degrees. So I believe some if not most are software/firmware issues. I am not saying their aren't ones with hardware issues but it can't be all of them.
I have ran the OTA update and am running Senseless ICS.
hey all
i use batterydrain app which to get battery % per hour
and always there peaks like 120% per hour and 60% randomly
and drain the battery significant
[ at first i thinked its cos the GPU, so i tested flash video, zooming moving and nothing cant make it peak to 60% BPH ]
but with airport mode there no peaks like that
the max i get is 30% the average is 22%
i don't get it
when i use GSM only and phone is idle i get mostly 0.1 BPH to 1 BPH
BPH - battery percent / Hour
really weird what is the problem guys ?
lets summarize
battery drain on idle [ gsm only ] = average 0.5% per hour
battery drain , browsing the net via wifi with gsm only = around 40-50%
battery drain ,airport ,browsing the net via wifi = 23%
23% + 0.5% != 40% doesn't make sense
sorry for my bad English
i will try it in bigger scale just put the sim in hd2 phone for while to see the different
Airplane mode disables the radios completely. Disabled radios = longer battery life + cooler phone.
HTC Rezound
luis86dr said:
Airplane mode disables the radios completely. Disabled radios = longer battery life + cooler phone.
HTC Rezound
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thx for reply but still not answer why there much different
Proz00 said:
thx for reply but still not answer why there much different
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THe radios are the main source of power draw and heat on the phone besides the CPU and display. By disabling the radios (Airplane Mode) you eliminate one of the major battery drainers, thus increasing your life and cooling the phone down
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still not that much a different
if u see my drain at idle is around 0.5% per hour
so if u add
airport mode and idle u get = 22% + 0.5 which is much far then 40-50%
when gsm only and browsing the net
Proz00 said:
still not that much a different
if u see my drain at idle is around 0.5% per hour
so if u add
airport mode and idle u get = 22% + 0.5 which is much far then 40-50%
when gsm only and browsing the net
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Dude, its simple, this is not rocket science. Airplane mode = less power draw. Plain and simple. Either take the correct answer or continue arguing about. Either way, you have your answer.
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still not that much a different
if u see my drain at idle is around 0.5% per hour
so if u add
airport mode and idle u get = 22% + 0.5 which is much far then 40-50%
when gsm only and browsing the net
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OK since that's over your head, take a look at this hypothetical situation. It's the same as asking why someone's car gets 90 hours per liter of fuel when its parked in a garage with the engine running, and but only 1 hour per liter of fuel when it is pulling a trailer full of obese illegal immigrants through the mountains in South America against a head wind.
It's because the car doesn't really use a lot of fuel when it's idling and doesn't have a load on it. But when someone puts a load behind the car, there's also other variables. Things such as high and low mountainous terrain, a bunch of really large, heavy people crammed into a trailer like sardines and then covered with old roofing shingles to disguise them are all things that require more power. Plus the resistance of the headwind along with the varying speed of travel and RPM of the motor that comes from having to slow down going downhill and speed up going up hill.
The moral of the story is, if you calculated your fuel consumption ahead of time and charged the passengers in the trailer at the rate of 90 litres per hour, you would be broke after one run for the border.
The car can't physically get the same efficiency sitting in that nice cold air conditioned garage as it can pulling that huge load which requires a lot of power, in extreme climates with changing atmospheric conditions and air density.
PS - Of course for the analogy to be complete, you would have to imagine that the gas guage uses a crap load of fuel to operate itself.
You get even better battery life if you turn your phone off. The battery can easily last a week or more! HTH! HAND!
I'd think your CPU and screen are using more battery than your GSM radio. When your phone is idling, your CPU can enter a power saving mode which greatly reduces battery usage vs being active while browsing. You should try browsing on GSM data vs browsing on Wifi data vs browsing on Wifi data with GSM active and see if you get similar results.
Guys, give him a break. This doesn't come easy to some people and it is our job to help them. Is that not why we are on these online forums? To help people?
Anyway, OP, think about it this way.
Your phone has to send a signal probably miles away to a tower. Walkie talkies have a rage of about 2 miles, and that is analog. Cell phones are digital, which requires more power.
Sending a constant signal miles away sucks a ton of power. Thus, by turning it off, you don't have the phone sending a signal a mile away anymore which reduces battery draw.
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Guys, give him a break. This doesn't come easy to some people and it is our job to help them. Is that not why we are on these online forums? To help people?
Anyway, OP, think about it this way.
Your phone has to send a signal probably miles away to a tower. Walkie talkies have a rage of about 2 miles, and that is analog. Cell phones are digital, which requires more power.
Sending a constant signal miles away sucks a ton of power. Thus, by turning it off, you don't have the phone sending a signal a mile away anymore which reduces battery draw.
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Great reply. I work in IT and it's really easy to forget a lot of people aren't technically inclined and to be condescending to them. If it weren't for the non-techies, people like me would be without a job.
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Guys, give him a break. This doesn't come easy to some people and it is our job to help them. Is that not why we are on these online forums? To help people?
Anyway, OP, think about it this way.
Your phone has to send a signal probably miles away to a tower. Walkie talkies have a rage of about 2 miles, and that is analog. Cell phones are digital, which requires more power.
Sending a constant signal miles away sucks a ton of power. Thus, by turning it off, you don't have the phone sending a signal a mile away anymore which reduces battery draw.
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but when u browsing over the net with wifi
radio/gsm is on idle, doesn't it ? its not that i making a call or send msg ....
im asking here to might help fix the da** battery problem Rezound have
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Great reply. I work in IT and it's really easy to forget a lot of people aren't technically inclined and to be condescending to them. If it weren't for the non-techies, people like me would be without a job.
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And also he said English isn't his first language and everyone still give have crap.
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but when u browsing over the net with wifi
radio/gsm is on idle, doesn't it ? its not that i making a call or send msg ....
im asking here to might help fix the da** battery problem Rezound have
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The radio is still on and connected even if you're not sending anything.
jayochs said:
hahahah not sure if your post is a pun, or just really ironic.
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That was me typing on the bus.
Proz00 said:
but when u browsing over the net with wifi
radio/gsm is on idle, doesn't it ? its not that i making a call or send msg ....
im asking here to might help fix the da** battery problem Rezound have
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WiFi uses less power than 4G, or even 3G, so it is better to be connected to WiFi instead of 3G or 4G if you can.
If you are on Verizon, than CDMA is only used for calling and texting, and 3G if you use it. If you disable mobile data in settings, it will cut off 3G and 4G, but you will still be able to make calls and use texting. This will greatly increase your battery life. Most people have a widget on their homescreen that will toggle mobile data with one tap.
The Rezound has a very small battery when considering what draws from it, 4G, 1.5 Ghz dual core processor, 4.3 inch screen. I you want better battery life you should take a look at the extended battery. Double the size, but seems like triple the screen time.
I bought the extended, and never looked back at the standard. Just doesn't last long enough.
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Po1soNNN said:
That was me typing on the bus.
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Typing on the bus is impossible, especially with the freshman screaming and touching each other.
Oh, I need a car.....
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Typing on the bus is impossible, especially with the freshman screaming and touching each other.
Oh, I need a car.....
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The freshman on my bus aren't bad at all but I'm almost 16 so permit soon.
Doesn't the phone automatically turn mobile data (3G/4G) off when you're connected via wifi?
To the OP: The reason 23 + 0.5 != 40 is because you're assuming that all the battery usage is from the data connection / radios. But in fact the vast VAST majority is being used by the screen. And when you're making those radios work hard because you're browsing the internet, they're eating battery as well. So it's a double whammy. But when the phone is idle, the screen is off, the phone itself is operating as a lower frequency, and there's less data communication because it's only doing account/app syncs every so often instead of a constant connection.
And to you guys who were ripping on the OP for asking a perfectly valid question, let me response by quoting Ned Stark: Which one of you was a marksman at ten?
when someone ask out of the box/ system they cant understand and blame him for stupidity
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Guys, give him a break. This doesn't come easy to some people and it is our job to help them. Is that not why we are on these online forums? To help people?
Anyway, OP, think about it this way.
Your phone has to send a signal probably miles away to a tower. Walkie talkies have a rage of about 2 miles, and that is analog. Cell phones are digital, which requires more power.
Sending a constant signal miles away sucks a ton of power. Thus, by turning it off, you don't have the phone sending a signal a mile away anymore which reduces battery draw.
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It has nothing to do with intelligence. We told him. He just didnt want tolisten to us. Theres a difference
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First to start out the reception at my house sucks. So I am always tweaking my phones to cope with the low signal. On my g3 before my little mod my signal was 1x and -106 to no service at all. Then I thought maybe my battery was emitting emf that interfered with the signal a little bit. So I filled the battery compartment with tin foil. Just enough to fill the battery compartment (leaving about 1/2 inch beneath the battery pins) and raise the battery a little. My signal after is -95 1x I have 3g and it is -86 and to my surprise when I first turned my phone on I had 4g which I have never seen in my house before. This is a mod every vzw g3 owner should at least try. If you do I I'm in need of thanks
I have a case on my phone that has a piece of aluminum trip around the edge and some people have complained that it decreases the signal. I don't have a problem with that b/c I don't usually have trouble with a weak signal or dropouts unless I'm driving down Interstate and that's only a couple times a month.
Aluminum can help or destroy signal you just need to know where to put it... Take your signal readings before and after if you try it. As big of a boost I seen it would not surprise me if it closed your dead zone gaps
Casey Walt said:
First to start out the reception at my house sucks. So I am always tweaking my phones to cope with the low signal. On my g3 before my little mod my signal was 1x and -106 to no service at all. Then I thought maybe my battery was emitting emf that interfered with the signal a little bit. So I filled the battery compartment with tin foil. Just enough to fill the battery compartment (leaving about 1/2 inch beneath the battery pins) and raise the battery a little. My signal after is -95 1x I have 3g and it is -86 and to my surprise when I first turned my phone on I had 4g which I have never seen in my house before. This is a mod every vzw g3 owner should at least try. If you do I I'm in need of thanks
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Seems like it worked for me. I taped the foil down with scotch tape really good because I do a lot of battery swapping. I also have poor reception in my house and signal increased 5-8 dBm. Able to load webpages on 3G now in the basement, still very slow but def improvement. Thanks for posting
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Seems like it worked for me. I taped the foil down with scotch tape really good because I do a lot of battery swapping. I also have poor reception in my house and signal increased 5-8 dBm. Able to load webpages on 3G now in the basement, still very slow but def improvement. Thanks for posting
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Any time... You may be able to tweak the placement of it more. I think the cdma antenna is on the bottom lte on top and evdo on the side... The key is to make the interference that the phone naturally makes bounce away from theses antennas (it obviously works) lol I'm surprised lg didn't make sure of this to begin with. Just for the record my phone is now able to make calls anywhere in my house.. Was never able to do that (even with my droid bionic:laugh
Casey Walt said:
First to start out the reception at my house sucks. So I am always tweaking my phones to cope with the low signal. On my g3 before my little mod my signal was 1x and -106 to no service at all. Then I thought maybe my battery was emitting emf that interfered with the signal a little bit. So I filled the battery compartment with tin foil. Just enough to fill the battery compartment (leaving about 1/2 inch beneath the battery pins) and raise the battery a little. My signal after is -95 1x I have 3g and it is -86 and to my surprise when I first turned my phone on I had 4g which I have never seen in my house before. This is a mod every vzw g3 owner should at least try. If you do I I'm in need of thanks
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Pics?
Edit: I have 4G but my signal says -102.
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jco897j said:
Pics?
Edit: I have 4G but my signal says -102.
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Good remember that number also take your cdma (1x) readings also... then try my mod and report back.. im working on pics i just need the old tablet to charge enough to turn on lol
Pics
didn't feel like taking the rest of my case off but the important part is there....
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didn't feel like taking the rest of my case off but the important part is there....
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I'll try this out when I get a hold of some foil. I noticed the G3 gas a bad antenna. In my apt with my gs4 on HSPA+/ATT I get about 89-94dbm. With my G3 on the same network I get about 102dbm.
daniel4653 said:
I'll try this out when I get a hold of some foil. I noticed the G3 gas a bad antenna. In my apt with my gs4 on HSPA+/ATT I get about 89-94dbm. With my G3 on the same network I get about 102dbm.
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I know the att version has very bad signal problems. Do you have it or the Verizon version? Because if you have the Verizon version the antennas wouldn't be properly tuned anyway and could explain why it's so bad also
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I know the att version has very bad signal problems. Do you have it or the Verizon version? Because if you have the Verizon version the antennas wouldn't be properly tuned anyway and could explain why it's so bad also
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Sorry forgot to clarify that. I have the Verizon version on ATTs network.
I tried this and it has no effect. That is to be expected because the battery is encased in metal and therefore already shielded.
Yep, battery is already shielded. Your results if anything are just an anomaly .
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I tried this and it has no effect. That is to be expected because the battery is encased in metal and therefore already shielded.
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Yep, battery is already shielded. Your results if anything are just an anomaly .
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You guys must be doing something wrong then because I am seeing differencees and somebody else said they did to. where are you guys located? I know I am on vzw 800mhz network maybe you guys are on 1900mhz... And it doesn't affect it as much
I tried this just now, using LTE Discovery paid version to monitor the signals. LTE strength on Verizon Band4 was unchanged at around -100dBm, and the SignalToNoise ratio was either the same or maybe a bit worse.
Thinking maybe the 1xRTT signal might have been the one affected, I checked that too, but again there was no change.
All this on a Verizon tower about 0.8mile away.
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I tried this just now, using LTE Discovery paid version to monitor the signals. LTE strength on Verizon Band4 was unchanged at around -100dBm, and the SignalToNoise ratio was either the same or maybe a bit worse.
Thinking maybe the 1xRTT signal might have been the one affected, I checked that too, but again there was no change.
All this on a Verizon tower about 0.8mile away.
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Did you raise the battery a little because I know this had the biggest afftect but just puting tinfoil in and slightly wrapping the sides it around helped a little I'll try again and take more accurate readings to see what happens
The battery is already shielded by a metal casing, unless you are using a cheap knock-off battery, there's no technical reason that foil would make any difference in that area. And I did try it in a low signal area, -105 db on LTE before and after. -101 db on 1x before -102 after, within the margin of error.
I attempted this as well. I first watched my signal for a while to figure out a rough average as we'll as a typical range from the same position within my house. I performed the mod and the typical position was 1-2 worse, but it stayed within the range. I suspect the "gains" a few found are likely within your typical fluctuations as well and you may have noticed during a good period.
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Casey Walt said:
Did you raise the battery a little because I know this had the biggest afftect but just puting tinfoil in and slightly wrapping the sides it around helped a little I'll try again and take more accurate readings to see what happens
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How did you raise the battery,I have the zero lemon as well,and my signal drops when I use it as opposed to stock. I'm willing to try anything for better signal...thanks
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My results
Here is what I found- I folded the aluminum 3 times and cut it to be a little shorter than the battery. I tried it from my office (which gets a pretty good signal anyways) 2 times with the foil and 2 times without. I got 86dBM originally, 76dBM with the foil (which made me think the foil was working) but on the second try I got 85dBM without and 87dBM with the foil. My gut tells me the first time was a fluke. Still I plan to try it at home to see if I can tweak out a bit more signal.