I got to thinking about how bad the power button is on my unit, compared to the OG Transformer:
How is everyone's power button? Mine is stiff as a day old dead dog, and I find myself squashing, pushing, pushing again to get the unit out of sleep mode. My OG Transformers (all 3 of them, have a nice springy detent of perhaps 1/32" - 1/64" (damn America for never adapting the Metric System! I don't know my millimeters from my water meter) The new button is just a mush,, with no noticeable travel)
connect your device to the computer (in debugging)
and run 'adb logcat'
watch the window every time you press power. there will be a noticeable like like screen state, or power state, i cant remember exactly.
"Is yours stiff and unresponsive?" must resist.... urge to..... Okay, I'm good now.
My power button seems fine however I've got to press it at just the correct angle to get it to work. Put the pad of your pointer finger on it then give just a slight 'curl' towards you and she should light right up.
SmartAs$Phone said:
I got to thinking about how bad the power button is on my unit, compared to the OG Transformer:
How is everyone's power button? Mine is stiff as a day old dead dog, and I find myself squashing, pushing, pushing again to get the unit out of sleep mode. My OG Transformers (all 3 of them, have a nice springy detent of perhaps 1/32" - 1/64" (damn America for never adapting the Metric System! I don't know my millimeters from my water meter) The new button is just a mush,, with no noticeable travel)
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rjscott2005 said:
"Is yours stiff and unresponsive?" must resist.... urge to..... Okay, I'm good now.
My power button seems fine however I've got to press it at just the correct angle to get it to work. Put the pad of your pointer finger on it then give just a slight 'curl' towards you and she should light right up.
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Thank you for the "Button Pressing Method" lesson. The funny thing is, your technique actually helps! My "stiffy" is a lot easier to manipulate than before. You must have a LOT of practice with these things!
It's actually how I use the power button, so it was pretty convenient to change it around into something perverted.
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Thank you for the "Button Pressing Method" lesson. The funny thing is, your technique actually helps! My "stiffy" is a lot easier to manipulate than before. You must have a LOT of practice with these things!
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I've found that... sort of "pinching" the power button (thumb on front of tablet) makes it work very well.
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Hi all,
I have an O2 XDA II which was flashed last year to WM2003se.
Now I would like to upgrade it to WM6.1, but I cannot enter bootloader mode (using [Power Button] + [D Pad] + [Soft Reset]) because my power button is broken. This means, I also cannot do a hard reset, unless I remove the battery for a long time.
The phone otherwise is working quite well.
Is there any other way to enter bootloader mode?
Thanks in advance!
First, some advice. Several people have asked this question and it has been responded to in other threads. On forums, ALWAYS try and use the search function before asking. It might save you some time, and it also may give you further ideas or solutions to the problem. Now on to the response I gave someone else last year. Read the whole post.
IT IS POSSIBLE!
BUT DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGED OR FRIED PDAs
I know because I myself have done it on an I-mate (Himalaya). It took some trial and error but I am now running WM6. In my case though, I had to completely remove the power button from the device. The previous owner dropped it on its head, and I got it for free, unfortunately most of the top is missing, including the power button.
SO, on to how I did it. I took a paper clip (metal) and put it about 1cm down, slightly to the right of where the power button used to connect to the motherboard. Make sure you have turned your XDA/IMATE on before doing this. You'll find that when you find the right area, your device will turn off, or the screen will go dark (like holding the power button for a second or giving it a quick tap).
If you manage to hold it there for the right period of time, while pressing the other bootloader buttons, then you will be able to enter bootloader.
This took me close to an hour to get just right, on both occasions I have done it, but it eventually worked.
Note: I have no idea how exactly this worked, but it did. My IMATE was useless without me updating the rom, so I had no worry about frying it if I did something wrong, that is why I was OK with playing around with its insides. BEWARE that you MAY DO DAMAGE to the device.
Good luck.
Hi my power button is broken too.
I'd love to upgrade to WM6 but can't get into bootloader mode...the paper clip approach sounds risky!
Is there an application that can get me to bootloader mode? I've searched but come up with nothing.
Any ideas?
I tried everything before doing the paperclip trick, it was the last straw for me. I did a pretty intensive investigation to other possibilities but couldn't find one.
Maybe you can find something that was a similar shape to your power button? It is a long shot but it may work. If the power button isn;t completely broken off you may still be able to use it.
Thanks Jadel.
Naaa the button has completely come off.. on its side..facing the front of the XDA. Interesting to see that other people have damaged the power button.
I might give it (the paper clip approach) a go and see how it goes.
Thanks,
Taz
tazjamez said:
Thanks Jadel.
Naaa the button has completely come off.. on its side..facing the front of the XDA. Interesting to see that other people have damaged the power button.
I might give it (the paper clip approach) a go and see how it goes.
Thanks,
Taz
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Same power button problem here... I found this thread and it inspired me to another idea that works very well. I disassembled the unit according to instructions I found here in other threads. I found my button was broken off from the motherboard completely and in addition it was mechanically so damaged that is was unusable for resoldering. I disassembled the (very small) switch under a microscope and it is basically a small round steel disc that works as a spring. It "clicks" when you push the center of the disk. In the center of the switch is a contact point so when the disc is pushed it makes contact and when released it clicks back. (works like the clicking frog we used to play with as a kid). It solders onto the motherboard using 4 solder pads. The two top pads are both connected to the ground plane of the motherboard. The bottom ones are 2 separate contact islands and are not connected to each to each other. (infinite resistance between them). I soldered 3 wires onto the pads, one ground and both lower unknown contact pads. Brouhgt the wires out through the broken button hole in the cover and YES, it works like a charm. If I connect the ground wire to the lower right pad it switches on and off and I can also hard reset the unit. I have not found out what the function is of the other (left lower pad) connected to ground. Maybe it has to do with holding the button longer then a second to switch backlight on and off. In my case I cannot find any functionality. I can now manually short the wires or I can solder a small microswitch to the wires and flash my original QTEK 2020 to WM 6.1. I am going to try that this week end. Anyway no unreliable fumbling with a paper clip.
My Brother was checking out my new 3VO over the weekend, he liked it, and is an iPhone guy. But he does make a good point, he can not stand the stupid placement of the power button to activate the phone on. You have to reach you're finger all the way to the top of the phone, and press down hard to wake up the phone.
He says Apple does it right, you just press the thumb button on the bottom of the phone to wake, and is very fast and simple. I have to agree
A better placement would be just below the volume buttons, or left side, just below the charging port.
Man up. Hit the button.
It's not like you're trying to turn on the phone in a gun fight while reloading... it's not that serious.
I prefer it on the top. My buddy just picked up a Samsung Charge & I noticed it has it on the side.
Short fingers seem to be the problem, not placement of the power button. If he's got short limbs, this should be the least of his problems.
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With the button on top I don't have to worry about accidentally turning on the phone when I take it out of my pocket grabbing it from it's sides.
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I actually like it on the top. You're less likely to accidently turn it on in your pocket. And the power button on my EVO 3D is really easy to press without pressing down hard.
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Zorachus said:
My Brother was checking out my new 3VO over the weekend, he liked it, and is an iPhone guy. But he does make a good point, he can not stand the stupid placement of the power button to activate the phone on. You have to reach you're finger all the way to the top of the phone, and press down hard to wake up the phone.
He says Apple does it right, you just press the thumb button on the bottom of the phone to wake, and is very fast and simple. I have to agree
A better placement would be just below the volume buttons, or left side, just below the charging port.
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Damn your lazy
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It was all a matter of patterned behavior.. I had the Evo and switched to Epic. I then had to learn to press it on the side. I switched to Evo 3d and I have to retrain again. Doesn't matter TOO much where the button is, once you retrain yourself for it.
On top is where it belongs. If you want a rinky dink dime sized hard button on the front, you'll have to do what Apple did and waste 40% of the front surface for things other than the display. That's why Apple's displays are the size of a postage stamp: wasted space on the front for things that don't belong there.
Mike
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I actually like it on the top. You're less likely to accidently turn it on in your pocket.
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This is likely the main reason it's on top. You tend to grip the sides when putting it in your pocket, purse, fanny pack, butthole, etc., and having it on top pretty much eliminates that. Also it's probably morel likely to get bumped awake with the button on the side. I don't think there's really a perfect place for a power button, but I prefer HTC's placement. Now the placement of the charging port on the 3D, I have an issue with.
When I hold the phone in my left hand like usual, my pointer finger can comfortably turn it on... no complaints here---aside from the power button being wobbily, due to the design of the casing.
Doesn't really matter to me, but I liked how it was on the top-right side on the Epic a little better.
The iPhone power button is on the top as well. The home button just acts to wake from sleep. If your iPhone is off, you still need to reach all the way up there to turn it on. It's more about capacitive buttons than anything else.
What I wouldn't mind is if the camera button served to wake on a long press, maybe even launching the camera app directly on a second press.
Sure. you might get some accidental wakes/pictures (which could be entertaining), but there would be some nice functionality with that.
Tell him he needs to hit the gym if he is having a hard time pressing the power button
^ O snap!1
I like the placement of the power button. At least they are consistent with all their devices. The volume button is what gets me but not a big deal. I wont pick at minor things because what would make me happy, may not make others happy.
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I prefer it on the top.
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I like to change things up every so often. You know? Get creative with it...
No, on the top is for the best. I have a Samsung focus too. Tue power button is on the side. I'm always turning the screen back on when I set it down by accidentally hitting the stiff breeze activating button.
This one needs a stronger button too. I fixed that though.
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Anywhere other than the top or the screen and it would be pressed on the time on accident. If it were on the screen, it would take up space, and if it were a software button on the screen then the screen would have to stay on and eat your battery.
You are a duche bag original poster. This phone is the too of the line the epic of phones... And you are question the power button... May you not get laid because of your phone
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Has anyone noticed the power button being extra sensitive? That is to say, on the Hero/Evo, you had to hold the power button for at least 2 seconds before the pop-up Power Options menu would display. On my 3vo, it pops up in less than a second. I'm finding it slightly annoying, because the space between "sleep" and "power options menu" is too narrow.
Not mine....
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Has anyone noticed the power button being extra sensitive? That is to say, on the Hero/Evo, you had to hold the power button for at least 2 seconds before the pop-up Power Options menu would display. On my 3vo, it pops up in less than a second. I'm finding it slightly annoying, because the space between "sleep" and "power options menu" is too narrow.
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work on reseating the back shell of the phone, i had the issue too at first and i thought it was a defect, but i played with it a couple times and got it to work like a normal power button
Nope not at all, I actually have to press it more than once sometimes and harder the second time for it to work......
yea mine is a lil sensitive...cant have it my pocket because of it..pulled it out a couple times and the phone bouncing around in my pocket opened apps and almost called ppl
Throw an OtterBox on there....
you have to give it a little lovin- WON"T happen by accident.
Also - saved my3D from a nice 5 foot drop courtesy of some Crazy 3 yr olds on the 4th.
mine is like that and I hate it!!!
U guys have cases on the phone? I guess not
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I actually find the new power button a little bit better to my liking, a lot easier to find in a blind poweron. But I do agree that it might be a little too sensitive. I've found that the phone turns itself on while in my pocket - which is a bad thing because on shake the led flashlight turns on lol! Of course that kills the battery...
Also when trying to turn on or off... sometimes i see the turn off, reboot menu pop up which just simply put, never happened with the evo og. And while i like the ease of use and how fast it reacts to turning off/on, it seems to be a bit of a problem ATM
not not at all sensitive. it's actually under sensitive. some time i get frustrated because i have to push it so hard in the exact sweet spot just to get it to turn on. after having it for over a week now it's getting better, but at first i couldn't even get the thing turned on.
Not mine in fact mine is kinda hard to push. I'm going to the Sprint store I bought mine from this weekend to see if I can get it switched out because I have light leaking through the ring that surrounds the search key, and it bugs the hell out of me lol. So I hope my new one is gonna be normal.
This happens to me with or without the case. I did have a very brief time where the power button would not respond at all, and discovered that the back was causing it (I had swapped the OEM 8G card for my 32).
I don't think this is a big enough problem for me to try and swap the phone out, although it is a little annoying. I suppose in time I'll learn not to push the power button too long.
I have the same problem with the sensitive power button but I'm on a Samsung Galaxy S. I'm wondering if there is dust in the way... Anybody ever find a fix or diagnose the problem for this? I've seen the same problem across multiple devices on the forums so I am starting to believe its a wear and tear type of thing.
Mine is kinda sensitive. But not as sensitive as the one I saw at my local sprint store. Interesting how it seems like no two EVOS are the same.
Good thing though is that since the button is built into the backcover... Maybe picking up another one can deliver a more sensitive/stiff experience.
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Is there a way to "re-calibrate" the screen or change the sensitivity?
I have found that when I need to press a button near the corner of the screen, (like on a friendstream widget to refresh), I usually have to press it several times or use my pinky.
I'm thinking either the "alignment" is off or the sensitivity needs to be tweaked (maybe my fingers are too big)
When I first started typing on the Inc 4G, I noticed that sometimes it seemed like it was missing letters I was typing. As I started using it more, I realized that my hand was barely touching the corner of the screen next to the recent apps button, since I was used to using a small phone, the original Incredible. However, once I realized I was doing that, I stopped doing it. I have to consciously make the decision to stop every time I notice myself doing it. I've only been using it for a couple days, but I'm doing it less now, so hopefully I'll stop completely soon. I don't understand why it thinks the corner of the screen should be touch sensitive, because it's almost a full centimeter away from the recent apps button.
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When I first started typing on the Inc 4G, I noticed that sometimes it seemed like it was missing letters I was typing. As I started using it more, I realized that my hand was barely touching the corner of the screen next to the recent apps button, since I was used to using a small phone, the original Incredible. However, once I realized I was doing that, I stopped doing it. I have to consciously make the decision to stop every time I notice myself doing it. I've only been using it for a couple days, but I'm doing it less now, so hopefully I'll stop completely soon. I don't understand why it thinks the corner of the screen should be touch sensitive, because it's almost a full centimeter away from the recent apps button.
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interesting, I'll have to keep an eye on that.
but I'm trying to hit a small button on the top right corner of the screen.
I have the issue I mentioned before when I'm holding the phone in landscape mode with the capacitive buttons on the right, the base of my index finger where it meets my hand barely touches the screen about a centimeter above the recent apps button. I don't use the FriendStream widget, as I don't use social networks at all, but if the button is too small, it may be that your fingers are too big, but more likely you are touching the screen somewhere else. I only figured it out when I took my right hand away from the screen and was still typing with my left and the keys were working much easier for me.
Try taking the hand you're not using to press the button and put it on the bottom of the phone to hold it steady, then, using your other hand, only touch the screen where the refresh button is with your largest finger and see if it works. It may seem like really basic troubleshooting, but sometimes that's the way to go.
Failing that, try to go to Settings -> Language & keyboard -> HTC Sense Input -> Advanced settings -> Calibration tool
It only lets you type in portrait mode, which is kinda dumb since most typing is done in landscape mode, at least for me. It would be nice to at least have an option to do it in landscape.
Anyway, I hope one of these solutions helps.
can use this.
andybones said:
can use this.
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The app you linked is difficult to use. I have to press it so hard that my screen does the LCD ripple thing mentioned in the other thread.
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The app you linked is difficult to use. I have to press it so hard that my screen does the LCD ripple thing mentioned in the other thread.
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no this isn't true.
you don't have to press hard, you have to press in the correct spot...
this phone's display is tough to get used to.
prime example, trying to exit out of a single app in the stock task manager, is very tough, and always opens the app instead of hitting the x, it's annoying, but it's worth it, IMO
but here is a vid showing that I have zero difficulties going through the set-up.
that and a little teaser of the ROM Nitsuj17 and I are working on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPfzJmnBJXg
andybones said:
no this isn't true.
you don't have to press hard, you have to press in the correct spot...
this phone's display is tough to get used to.
prime example, trying to exit out of a single app in the stock task manager, is very tough, and always opens the app instead of hitting the x, it's annoying, but it's worth it, IMO
but here is a vid showing that I have zero difficulties going through the set-up.
that and a little teaser of the ROM Nitsuj17 and I are working on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPfzJmnBJXg
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Well, I was having difficulties using it. I don't have fat sausage fingers, and I even tried using my pinky finger and pressing directly on it and everything after the first dot just didn't work unless I pressed very hard on it. Now that I've used it once and calibrated it, it works much easier doing it again. Perhaps it was just that the factory default calibration for my phone is just that off.
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Well, I was having difficulties using it. I don't have fat sausage fingers, and I even tried using my pinky finger and pressing directly on it and everything after the first dot just didn't work unless I pressed very hard on it. Now that I've used it once and calibrated it, it works much easier doing it again. Perhaps it was just that the factory default calibration for my phone is just that off.
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the directions say press and HOLD..
lol, gotta read the directions my friend.
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the directions say press and HOLD..
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lol. I read that. I was pressing and holding for 5+ seconds with normal pressure, and it took 3+ seconds with lots of pressure. After doing this the second time, I didn't even have to hold more than 1 second under normal pressure.
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lol. I read that. I was pressing and holding for 5+ seconds with normal pressure, and it took 3+ seconds with lots of pressure. After doing this the second time, I didn't even have to hold more than 1 second under normal pressure.
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ahh, sorry about that
weird.. wonder if something is wrong with ur touchscreen
andybones said:
ahh, sorry about that
weird.. wonder if something is wrong with ur touchscreen
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Could be. Something's definitely wrong with my Weather app.
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The app you linked is difficult to use. I have to press it so hard that my screen does the LCD ripple thing mentioned in the other thread.
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Something definitely wrong with your screen then. Works like a champ for me.
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I'm sure this must be an issue for others, but I can't find any discussion of it.
I find that while I'm using my tablet in my hands, I keep bumping the power button and locking the screen.
Is there a an app anyone knows of to resolve this? Or a Workaround? I figure if there was a two step lock process similar to the old unlock on Nokia phones years ago, or something else clever to make it much more difficult to bump...
And I'm very keen to avoid rooting.
Ideas?
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The workaround is:
Don't hold the tablet so clumsily.
Yes, you are the only one with this problem.
hasenbein1966 said:
The workaround is:
Don't hold the tablet so clumsily.
Yes, you are the only one with this problem.
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Man... if that's going to be your reply - just don't reply.
It's simply the truth, sorry.
I even can't imagine how I could manage to hold the tablet in a way that I always accidentally press the power button!
Whaddaya doin', man??
I do it from time to time. Usually it's when I try to reach my thumb to something that is close to the middle of the screen. The part of the palm of my hand just below my index finger would sometimes accidentally apply just enough pressure around the power button to pass the button's pressure point (when I'm holding the tablet with two hands in landscape mode and don't want to switch to one-hand grip just to tap something near the middle)