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I was thinking of porting HTC Sense ROM to Play... Are you interested?
To do:
* Port ROM
* HTC kernel
Blagus said:
Also, I have to update with actual porting progress:
1) Sense 3.0 ROM is HUGE, update.zip size is about 450MB
2) update.zip installation fails when trying to write /system
To assume:
We cannot repartition phone due to S1Boot restrictions, so I quit from Sense 3.0, guess I'll have to switch to 2.1
Mainly because:
* ease of job
* no need to fill up /data
* 450MB means there would be almost no space for other apps
* 450MB would take several hours to upload on my 256kbps up speed (although down is 4Mbit - say thanks to the marketing and profit stuff of my operator)
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Best regards
Yes please blagus, i can test bootloader unlocked and ready to go XD
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SAME HERE!!!!!
I will be happy to test it for you
Not to be a spoilsport, but I'd rather like you to keep improving your kernel. We'll never get the real deal of Sense since it's not OS, and it's hard to say it's really superior to other UI's.
Of course, you're entitled to do as you please, and if I can be of help with this project you can count on me.
Logseman said:
Not to be a spoilsport, but I'd rather like you to keep improving your kernel. We'll never get the real deal of Sense since it's not OS, and it's hard to say it's really superior to other UI's.
Of course, you're entitled to do as you please, and if I can be of help with this project you can count on me.
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My opinion exactly, I support the cyanogenmod because it's likely to stay up to date in the future. Also, I don't really care for the sense ui personally.
I was secretly hoping you would be looking into camera support
I'd be happy to help with testing now and then though.
Logseman said:
Not to be a spoilsport, but I'd rather like you to keep improving your kernel. We'll never get the real deal of Sense since it's not OS, and it's hard to say it's really superior to other UI's.
Of course, you're entitled to do as you please, and if I can be of help with this project you can count on me.
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personally i love HTC sense and would love a port for our plays, even if its not a true sense rom
not all of us enjoy the stock feel of cyanogenmod and i personally wouldn't mind if you dropped cyanogen all together in favour of sense although i no that wont happen
just my opinion, you can put the sharp pitch forks down now
silvacrest said:
personally i love HTC sense and would love a port for our plays, even if its not a true sense rom
not all of us enjoy the stock feel of cyanogenmod and i personally wouldn't mind if you dropped cyanogen all together in favour of sense although i no that wont happen
just my opinion, you can put the sharp pitch forks down now
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+1 Id love sence on the play, and all the little extras you get with it, T9 dialer, the sms and email app, the widgets
Sense on the play would be nice, so if you need testers i am here
Im with you Blagus!!
btw m8 there is an OC kernal (1.8ghz) in arc dev forum. Can you check it out and if there is possibility to port for play??
i would also love to see a sense rom
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Wait a sec. guys....are we talking here about sense 3.0 ? óô
Yes please Blagus! Telling you, you're some man for one man!
Larsiano said:
Wait a sec. guys....are we talking here about sense 3.0 ? óô
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yes hope so
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Blagus,
While it sounds interesting, I would much prefer you put your time and effort into cracking the bootloaders on locked phones (especially us schmucks that bought R800x's).
Maybe I'm just old school, or burned in the past by MotoBLUR. But I don't see why you'd want to add more bloat to the phone?
Mogul345 said:
Blagus,
While it sounds interesting, I would much prefer you put your time and effort into cracking the bootloaders on locked phones (especially us schmucks that bought R800x's).
Maybe I'm just old school, or burned in the past by MotoBLUR. But I don't see why you'd want to add more bloat to the phone?
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Sense is arguable the best UI a third party has developed for android. Its a nice level of polish to the user experience and unifies the look and feel of the OS regardless of what version of android you're using. Obviously there are features added with each iteration of android, and there are features added and removed from the various versions of sense. But at the end of the day, Sense is a very clean and friendly UI that simply streamlines pretty much all aspects of the software.
Unlocking bootloaders is useless if there are no devs/ testers willing to develop custom ROMs, and with no standard for flashing roms yet for the Xperia Play, this seems like an excellent endeavor for someone to undertake.
Cracking bootloaders in general is very VERY difficult, and in general require extreme amount of computer power and time to achieve. I've spent my time attempting to crack the Milestone's bootloader, and I've come to the conclusion that it would take 15million computing years to crack. RSA 1024bit encryption is a tough cookie to crack. Obviously the Xperia Play's bootloader could be much simpler, but without sufficient demand, there's no point.
Would love to see this happen!
The same here
When this gets true ill go buy an play instead of galaxy s2
first i thought to make it here, but file would be too big for regular daily bugfixing uploads. i'll get my hands on phone first and test it there before publishing.
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A very interesting ROM has been posted in the Sensation forum found for HERE by XDA's own Robocik and Capychimp of the RCmix Team. While I know this isn't specific to the Rezound, this certainly pertains to the newer crop of HTC phones scheduled to receive an update to Ice Cream Sandwich.
For anyone who doesn't know about the RcTeam, they provide the some of the most stable ports/bases of the latest leaked RUUs. This ROM happens to be based off of a leaked RUU for the HTC Sensation (a sibling of the Rezound) Android version 4.0.1 (will be updated to 4.0.3 upon official release I suppose) and will provide us with an idea of some the upcoming revisions to HTC Sense in preparation of the highly anicipated release of ICS.
Yes, there may not be much to read but sifting through the thread can provide us with some insight of what we'll get when HTC releases ICS for the newest HTC devices.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ice-cream-sandwich-rom-htc-sensation-leaks-out
http://android.modaco.com/page/news/_/android/htc-preparing-android-40-ice-cream-sandwich-wi-r137
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=lea...-5-rom-shows-htc-sense-for-ice-cream-sandwich
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...ch-on-the-galaxy-nexus-video-and-gallery/7007
Exciting! So close, I can taste the ice cream!
Its wack IMO.
blestsol said:
Its wack IMO.
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LOL. Have you personally used it?
They have to start somewhere obviously. Just as with any development stability first and visual stuff later. Just sayin...
Thanks for sharing. I had no idea.
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blestsol said:
Its wack IMO.
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I won't be using the stock launcher so that really wont bother me.
Marcismo55 said:
LOL. Have you personally used it?
They have to start somewhere obviously. Just as with any development stability first and visual stuff later. Just sayin...
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No but based off what people are saying and the article its nothing new or special and I hate the new bar at the bottom.
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that rosie is god awful. don't touch the damn arc lol that's what i like best about sense, damnit!
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No but based off what people are saying and the article its nothing new or special and I hate the new bar at the bottom.
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I really could care less about the looks. I just want ICS for the performance increases.
jayochs said:
don't touch the damn arc lol that's what i like best about sense, damnit!
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totally agree! I like the added functionality, it was much overdue. But the shape really says "Sense" to me after using it for so long, and it's a shame they'd change it.
zetsumeikuro said:
I really could care less about the looks. I just want ICS for the performance increases.
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That's cool, I just wanted to see htc do something fresh and new and add performance improvements.
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I'm tired of the "arc". I like being able to choose a dock style, a la ADW Launcher!
I understand why HTC is implementing sense from a business perspective - it's the only way for manufacturers to differentiate their products. This is why I left the Rezound for the Nexus. HTC will NEVER give users vanilla android. Sense = bloat. Bloat = lag.
And before anyone jumps down my throat - there's a major reason everyone wants perm-root on the Rezound so badly - to stop using Sense! Why else would the temp-root apps that allow you to "de-sense" over in the development forum be so popular?
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I understand why HTC is implementing sense from a business perspective - it's the only way for manufacturers to differentiate their products. This is why I left the Rezound for the Nexus. HTC will NEVER give users vanilla android. Sense = bloat. Bloat = lag.
And before anyone jumps down my throat - there's a major reason everyone wants perm-root on the Rezound so badly - to stop using Sense! Why else would the temp-root apps that allow you to "de-sense" over in the development forum be so popular?
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I think you're very misled if you think most people want root to disable sense.
There are people that would like to remove Sense tied apps. I like the look and feel, but I don't need 3 twitter apps, lol. They really should consider the "bloat" apps optional. I am sure there are people who prefer Sense Social networking over having different apps, then there are people who prefer using the branded app from the network itself. If they are going to lock us down, we should at least have the ability to pick and choose.
Just sayin...
I'm not going to lie, I'm not too crazy about that dock either but some of you are missing the bigger picture. HTC already has ported Sense over to the ICS framework. This means we could be fairly close to receiving our update. That being said, not only will we benefit from the features of ICS but maybe there will be some loopholes for root. After all, it is a new base for HTC as well.
I find it funny the first mentioned is how "ugly" the dock is instead of the overall features.
In regard to Sense, I enjoy it because after flashing AOSP roms, sometimes I just want things to just work. No using 3rd party apps or anything like that, all stock but with minor tweaks (when rooted of course).
I like then new look, I don't care about the launcher either way as I never use the stock one to begin with.
What I'm really hoping for is for sense to be SLIMMED DOWN. A lot. Sense is just way too bloated compared to Touchwiz or whatever Motorola is calling their new skin.
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I think you're very misled if you think most people want root to disable sense.
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Really? Because the most viewed and replied to thread in the Rezound forums deals with disabling the framework of Sense and additional bloat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367591
My point is, HTC is going to implement the exact same thing in ICS, which is why so many people find the Nexus attractive. It would be an extremely difficult choice for me b/w the Nexus and Rezound if HTC announced it would implement a vanilla android platform for ICS that's bloat free.
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I understand why HTC is implementing sense from a business perspective - it's the only way for manufacturers to differentiate their products. This is why I left the Rezound for the Nexus. HTC will NEVER give users vanilla android. Sense = bloat. Bloat = lag.
And before anyone jumps down my throat - there's a major reason everyone wants perm-root on the Rezound so badly - to stop using Sense! Why else would the temp-root apps that allow you to "de-sense" over in the development forum be so popular?
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If sense equals lag, then why does the nexus lag? I like sense and so do a lot of people that use HTC phones.
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Really? Because the most viewed and replied to thread in the Rezound forums deals with disabling the framework of Sense and additional bloat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1367591
My point is, HTC is going to implement the exact same thing in ICS, which is why so many people find the Nexus attractive. It would be an extremely difficult choice for me b/w the Nexus and Rezound if HTC announced it would implement a vanilla android platform for ICS that's bloat free.
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So what about when S-off comes? The Nexus won't be as attractive. The ability to run Vanilla ICS or bloat-free sense will exist. At least the option to switch between the two will be there and we won't be left with just different versions of "Vanilla" ICS which will get old.
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XOOM got ICS port right now, with everything working well (except face unlock, but hey...)
does that mean anything for us Flyer/View-owners? is it possible to port it to our tablet?
would love ics on the flyer
EDIT: Link: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/highly-functioning-cm9-kang-released-for-the-xoom/
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
My guess is he was asking if there was a way to port it and mod it to work. What we really need to hope for of CM9.x to arrive that will support the Flyer/Evo View.
Snow_fox said:
what does it mean to us? That the xoom got an ics port, nothing more or less.
Different hardware types and kernels mean xoom with ics is meaningless to us.
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hahha somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or are you always this negative? haha relax
im not stupid, i know that its a diffrent tablet, but this kinds of ports are being done almost daily.
as this fella mentioned, i was thinking of a mod, to get it to work.
He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
Hopefully the fire sales have pushed HTC to keep going.
psijac said:
I would love to have ICS on this device. Considering how much dev interest the blowout sales have generated I think its possible. But I am not going to how my breathe. I have a galaxy nexus but my evo view is still my primary device due to its pen and large screen. My wishlist for the next iteration of this device is: lighter, ICS, sprint 4g LTE in that exact order
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Reading about ICS on Prime on engadget has made me interested in ICS as well.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/hands-on-with-ice-cream-sandwich-on-asus-transformer-prime/
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He's not being grouchy, just straight forward. You cannot port a ROM complied for a completely different family of hardware and get it to function in any conceivable fashion. You'd be better off with a SDK build of ICS which would possibly boot if you hacked in a boot image, but none of the HTC specific hardware like camera, BT or video would function. There are already efforts underway to build ICS ROMs. Since ICS is built on top of HC, we have most of the pieces to build a vanilla ROM (no HTC Sense). Once HTC comes out with a working HTC device ICS ROM on hardware that is similar to the Flyer (yes some of their phones use similar hardware) that will be the port we want for ICS /Sense Roms.
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yeah i know, but since ive seen others with ics, that made me a bit inpaitient
htc sensation got the ics leaked, and maybe someone can start by playing with that one.
and i dont really care if its manilla or sense, both will do good dont think flyer/view will be getting any ICS official soon, since HC just was released.
if i seemed grouchy, it may be because I am a comp sci major with aspirations of being a software engineer. I view the question as either yes or no and then explain the logic why not. No intentions of rudeness, but I tend to assume I'm talking to ppl with similar backgrounds... At least on the net anyway.
Wooow...okey then...my bad! I should know better..
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We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
DigitalMD said:
We are keeping an eye on the HTC Sensation leak. Right now there are 2 or 3 pages of things that don't work and of course its a different radio and HBOOT. So its a ways out from being useful as a port other than a novelty. By that I mean you might get something to boot, but none of the hardware functions like camera and touch screen would work.
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ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
loni90 said:
ok, sounds good though!
whats the chances of a HC/ICS mix then, do you know? i mean, using what might be working in ICS (the best of it) combined with the useabilities of the HC.
*modding is not my area, as you might understand by now*
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Snow_fox said:
May want to wait for something more stable to port..sounds more like a way to brick a flyer than a novelty.
How much difference is there between sensation and flyer? Also is the radio relevant for the WiFi flyer.
I keep forgetting the are 3g versions of the flyer.
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1. ICS is built on top of HC so we already have most of the ICS GUI. Google is already moving some of the ICS features into individual apps like the updated Google Search.
2. Radio is always relevant because it controls GPS, Wifi , and BT in addition to 3g.
Hi guys,
I've been browsing around the HTC One for quite a while and decided to get it as my phone. However, I have a question. One I root the HTC One, and install a custom ROM and kernel on it, will HTC Zoe, Blinkfeed, Boomsound, and Beats still work? I know most likely Beats will work, as it is a hardware thing, I think, but I'm mainly concerned about the others. Please reply ASAP so I can decide what to get.
Thanks in Advance,
The Playa!
the playa! said:
Hi guys,
I've been browsing around the HTC One for quite a while and decided to get it as my phone. However, I have a question. One I root the HTC One, and install a custom ROM and kernel on it, will HTC Zoe, Blinkfeed, Boomsound, and Beats still work? I know most likely Beats will work, as it is a hardware thing, I think, but I'm mainly concerned about the others. Please reply ASAP so I can decide what to get.
Thanks in Advance,
The Playa!
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it depends on the rom, AOSP roms aren't likely to have blinkfeed or Zoe and other HTC stuff. but stock modded roms may still have them.
the playa! said:
Hi guys,
I've been browsing around the HTC One for quite a while and decided to get it as my phone. However, I have a question. One I root the HTC One, and install a custom ROM and kernel on it, will HTC Zoe, Blinkfeed, Boomsound, and Beats still work? I know most likely Beats will work, as it is a hardware thing, I think, but I'm mainly concerned about the others. Please reply ASAP so I can decide what to get.
Thanks in Advance,
The Playa!
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Modded stock ROM's have all the goodies that stock has (obviously), but no other ROM's (which are currently all based on AOSP) have most of what you asked about.
Although you won't have to worry about Boomsound so much, since most of those AOSP ROM's have good sound. Beats itself is simply an EQ adjustment that you could do yourself. Camera isn't as good or as well-featured, and Blinkfeed will never see a port.
Unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise, just root your phone and install a nice Sense ROM.
Gamesoul Master said:
Modded stock ROM's have all the goodies that stock has (obviously), but no other ROM's (which are currently all based on AOSP) have most of what you asked about.
Although you won't have to worry about Boomsound so much, since most of those AOSP ROM's have good sound. Beats itself is simply an EQ adjustment that you could do yourself. Camera isn't as good or as well-featured, and Blinkfeed will never see a port.
Unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise, just root your phone and install a nice Sense ROM.
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Sense ROM as in stock? If I install stock, its still going to be on Sense right?
Gamesoul Master said:
Modded stock ROM's have all the goodies that stock has (obviously), but no other ROM's (which are currently all based on AOSP) have most of what you asked about.
Although you won't have to worry about Boomsound so much, since most of those AOSP ROM's have good sound. Beats itself is simply an EQ adjustment that you could do yourself. Camera isn't as good or as well-featured, and Blinkfeed will never see a port.
Unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise, just root your phone and install a nice Sense ROM.
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So ONLY modded stock ROMs have all those stuff? I don't like Sense that much much but I also want to keep all of that. What should I do?
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So ONLY modded stock ROMs have all those stuff? I don't like Sense that much much but I also want to keep all of that. What should I do?
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Kinda have to pick your poison. Options are limited right now because of the way rom development has just started.
Asop- no sense but cleaner experience
Sense- cool features but still a skin.
Why not just install apex launcher on your one. Are phone is beast enough to run that smoothly?
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most custom sense based roms have a de-sense option in aroma which will remove the sense look and feel. i think it will remove blinkfeed also but you will still have all the camera features.
btw this is the wrong section. should be posted in Q/A
skinsfanbdh said:
most custom sense based roms have a de-sense option in aroma which will remove the sense look and feel. i think it will remove blinkfeed also but you will still have all the camera features.
btw this is the wrong section. should be posted in Q/A
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Yes, it will remove Blinkfeed as that's part of the Sense launcher, which is the bulk of what's removed.
It's worth mentioning also that running a Sense ROM with the Nova Launcher is quite nice. While you lose Blinkfeed and such, you come out ahead with a snappy, full-featured launcher.
As for AOSP based ROM's... They do generally provide a clean experience. But as noted before, development is still in its early stages, so they're not as smooth as they could be, and battery life is maybe as good as stock ROM's right now (but usually a little worse for now).
Q&A?
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Thank you everyone for answering!
Good Morning to you all!
Sorry if this has already been posted but I couldn't find much of anything on this topic. Does a "Google Edition" Rom exist for the EVO 4G LTE? I know we have the AOSP and AOKP roms but this is something I've wanted to ask for a while. I love the pure Google experience and I just have to wait about a year until i can upgrade to a new phone like a Nexus.
Thank you again for taking the the time to read this and for all the awesome work all you Developers put in for making this awesome phone even better.
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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I'm with you on that one. Not sure why anyone with knowledge of rooting (who doesn't mind a voided warranty) would want to buy a GE phone.
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I don't have any problem with any AOSP Rom other than signal and connectivity issues. But its really just curiosity for me and I'm a big fan of Google so the idea of having a Google Editon EVO sounds cool to me.
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Well it won't happen.
And aosp is just as much Google as a GE would be.
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Imagine having a GE ROM that had added functionality and customizations. Then, go download one of our CM/AOKP/DU ROMs. - imagination realized.
Or, put another way, take one of our AOSP ROMs, strip away functionality and customization, and you have a GE ROM.
Is that what you're looking for?
Not trying to sound smart ass, totally sincere.
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Imagine having a GE ROM that had added functionality and customizations. Then, go download one of our CM/AOKP/DU ROMs. - imagination realized.
Or, put another way, take one of our AOSP ROMs, strip away functionality and customization, and you have a GE ROM.
Is that what you're looking for?
Not trying to sound smart ass, totally sincere.
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What do you think would be a good solid AOSP Rom to either behave like a GE Rom or better I've only tried the CM Rom and the Xlyon Rom back and forth and couldn't get the feel I was looking for.
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What do you think would be a good solid AOSP Rom to either behave like a GE Rom or better I've only tried the CM Rom and the Xlyon Rom back and forth and couldn't get the feel I was looking for.
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You could always try Evervolv. That's probably the closest to AOSP, that is, with the least customization.
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No. But the AOSP ROMs we have work fine. What's wrong with flashing one of them? They are essentially the same thing, except, well, better .
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Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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How difficult is this to do?
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How difficult is this to do?
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I can't say.
For the DNA it was extremely simple (but zarboz is a boss so he would've gotten it anyway) since the two devices are almost identical (One and DNA).
But the fact that you guys have a 3.4.x official HTC kernel should help.
hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary.
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You would be surprised at what shortcuts OEMs take too.
Just because they have the resources doesn't necessarily mean it's cost effective, or that their software engineers have the time, to redo everything from scratch for each device. It's usually much easier to make it for one and then adapt that copy for use on other devices. I actually found this site thanks to htc's sloppy implementation of hdmi on the original evo. According to them it was impossible to fix until Toastcfh and Netarchy did just that and rewrote their kernel from scratch (iirc).
If you think about it, this site probably wouldn't even exist if OEMs made good software. They often do have access to proprietary drivers and documentation, but most of that is slowly getting open sourced anyway.
That type of reasoning is a fallacy because more often then not OEMs are just too plain cheap to do things properly. They just need to hit their deadlines. So your only real options are to either buy a nexus device, or invest a little time in helping fix any issues that you may find.
Someone please correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong device, but I believe it was the htc TyTN2 where htc didn't even bother to include a fully functional display driver because they didn't want to pay the license for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
CNexus said:
Not true. Not trying to insult any devs in any way, but AOSP roms for anything other than a Nexus are hacked together using core binaries from other devices when necessary. There is never such a thing as a bug free AOSP Rom, except for a Google device and/or Google edition.
The Google edition roms on the other hand, were compiled by HTC for a device that they know in and out. Unfortunately, this is one of those times when "the vendor knows best", simply because of sheer resources and hardware documentation.
It would be possible to port the GE roms if you guys ported the GPE kernel and used that to port the rom, like Zarboz and newtoroot did for the DNA.
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Have you ever used one of the IRC builds of cm10 or cm10.1? They're more stable and are more feature rich than the stock ROM that shipped with this device or any of the updates that they were gracious enough to let sense users download over the air. The 3.0 kernel was seriously stable, but the 3.4 kernel is (nearly as) stable _and_ leaves more RAM for your silly animation effects and whatever. It's based on the reference kernel for the chip set, if I'm not making an arse of myself. So pick a build. I know 1/16 was an awesome cm10, and like I said in another topic I had 191 hours uptime on the 7/23 cm10.1 before I rebooted to rule out the ROM when I was having data issues(it was the network) </rant>
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xHausx said:
You would be surprised at what shortcuts OEMs take too.
Just because they have the resources doesn't necessarily mean it's cost effective, or that their software engineers have the time, to redo everything from scratch for each device. It's usually much easier to make it for one and then adapt that copy for use on other devices. I actually found this site thanks to htc's sloppy implementation of hdmi on the original evo. According to them it was impossible to fix until Toastcfh and Netarchy did just that and rewrote their kernel from scratch (iirc).
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Not saying they are perfect and neither am I taking sides. But the fact of the matter is that AOSP is ported using binaries made for other devices and other hacks and so is nearly impossible to make it 100% compared to vanilla nexus roms. Issues are inevitable. And those same exact shortcuts you stated apply to and are no exception with AOSP ports like CM or evervolv. They also commonize (not a word, I know) as much as possible. They group devices like all the d2 and all the jflte, or even by processor like s4_common, etc under one common branch to make it easier for themselves to maintain.
I know I'm not gonna win here because of several things, namely being that I'm taking the "wrong" stance from the majority's point of view. But I just felt adding my 0.02 would help with the OP's original question.
xHausx said:
Someone please correct me if I'm thinking of the wrong device, but I believe it was the htc TyTN2 where htc didn't even bother to include a fully functional display driver because they didn't want to pay the license for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=359534
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Ha! That was my first smartphone! I first signed up on xda (under a different name) when that phone launched (I got it as the att tilt) so that I could run manila and then android on it! That display driver issue was so frustrating. Sorry for ot, but I haven't thought about that in ages.
CNexus said:
Not saying they are perfect and neither am I taking sides. But the fact of the matter is that AOSP is ported using binaries made for other devices and other hacks and so is nearly impossible to make it 100% compared to vanilla nexus roms. Issues are inevitable. And those same exact shortcuts you stated apply to and are no exception with AOSP ports like CM or evervolv. They also commonize (not a word, I know) as much as possible. They group devices like all the d2 and all the jflte, or even by processor like s4_common, etc under one common branch to make it easier for themselves to maintain.
I know I'm not gonna win here because of several things, namely being that I'm taking the "wrong" stance from the majority's point of view. But I just felt adding my 0.02 would help with the OP's original question.
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It's not accurate to say the binaries are made for other devices when the devices are all basically the same. The MSM8960, for example, has it's own binaries, but the same chip is used in a range of devices from the Evo LTE, Blackberry Z10, One X (LTE), One XL, Windows Phone 8X, LG Mach, Moto Droid Razr M, Droid Razr, Razr Max, Atrix HD, Incredible HD, Xperia GX TL SX & V, Galaxy S III... the list goes on
The binaries all of those devices use were developed for the Qualcomm devkit I've linked below.
When you're working with a sense ROM versus an AOSP ROM there are many differences in not only appearance but the framework as well, but once you start getting down to the kernel level the hardware is all basically the same. Where we have the advantage over OEMs is that most companies know it's counterproductive and a waste of money to go after enthusiasts who borrow their binaries from one device to use on something else. If an OEM did that they would be sued in a heartbeat.
https://developer.qualcomm.com/mobile-development/development-devices/snapdragon-s4-msm8960-mdps
edit: probably actually this instead, but same difference: http://shop.intrinsyc.com/products/dragonboard-members-only
To digress back to the OP's original question though, the google edition One is basically just the one with AOSP on it. If you can find a pure AOSP ROM it'll be the exact same thing.
Thanks for the info I'm really thinking of seeing if i can try and make my own ROM and plus I've always wanted to do so hopefully it all goes well. I just don't wanna brick my phone in the process hahaha. Do you guys think trying to build off of the HTC One GE rom and convert it over to the EVO or use an EVO based AOSP ROM? Thanks again for all the help.
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ZamoraDC said:
Thanks for the info I'm really thinking of seeing if i can try and make my own ROM and plus I've always wanted to do so hopefully it all goes well. I just don't wanna brick my phone in the process hahaha. Do you guys think trying to build off of the HTC One GE rom and convert it over to the EVO or use an EVO based AOSP ROM? Thanks again for all the help.
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Why don't you just build AOSP? You can use the CM kernel and pull the relevant vendor files from an existing AOSP ROM (or find an up-to-date github with them).
That way you don't have to worry about having the extra customizations, but you'll still have a kernel built from Qualcomm source along with the ROM.
asop aokp cm
I have tried a lot of ROMs and I find these devs do a much better job than stock ROMs yes you have some bugs in some but the always work them out cudos to the devs I'm just glad they still support my device and having gabe up on it