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http://www.viewsonic.com/ces2011/
Other than HDMI, listed specs look the same as GTablet.
This looks interesting, but they don't state what the CPU is.
I noticed that for the gTablet beneath it, they show Dual Core and so on. This one simply says 1GHz. I'm curious about this tablet too.
on the viewsonic site its listed as a Intel Pine Trail N455 1.66ghz cpu
I think that's a single core.
darkness77 said:
on the viewsonic site its listed as a Intel Pine Trail N455 1.66ghz cpu
I think that's a single core.
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The N4XX line is in fact single core. And as a point of reference, the Snapdragon processor uses only 1/4 of the power consumption of the Atom, so I would expect battery life to be significantly less with heavy usage.
It is funny that many people whom are buying the G-tablet from Sears are thinking they are getting the Viewpad 10S. Now are we going to see people buying the G-tablet end up getting a Viewpad 10S in their hands.
Viewpad 10 & 10s
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
Looks like the 10s is gtab V2
Almost identical specs..... hmmmm better screen? :-D
Interesting enough this 10s says Russia, Europe and Asia only...look like we might be able to source some upgraded parts.
I think one of the features we missed was the optional 3G. That seems like a bonus, and maybe then we'd be able to use the location feature.
Also, what is this "G-Sensor"? Would this add an extra axis, such as an accelerometer? Ive noticed playing some games, such as doodle jump, that there is no accelerometer when you're holding it portrait tilting it side to side. Does anyone know what the g-sensor is?
10s looks better than the gtab, I like that they move the main screen a little bit toward to the bottom boarder, and there are no physical buttons (ready for honeycomb), the back looks much better without the "G-tablet" logo and it looks a little bit thinner too. The interesting thing is that the software is not TNT, it looks more like the Vegan or Advent Vega don't you think?
Anyways, cannot tell whether the screen is a better one since when I hold my gtablet the same way, my screen looks very good too.. (just the viewing angle sucks).
EDIT: just looked at the first generation of Advent Vega tablet, it is virtual the same as 10s.. just the shell looks a little bit different. Man, it looks like another rebrand..
http://www.slashgear.com/advents-tegra-2-vega-android-tablet-gets-listed-at-retailer-16114427/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NHeRrEXh68
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yx56...eature=related
computerwiz_222 said:
This looks interesting, but they don't state what the CPU is.
I noticed that for the gTablet beneath it, they show Dual Core and so on. This one simply says 1GHz. I'm curious about this tablet too.
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The 10S has a Tegra 2, same as the G-tab.
Not sure of any specific advantages other than HDMI. It would nice if it drove the price of used G-tabs down.
10S looks like it has about the same specs as the g. The 10S back looks sooo sooo much more like a real product and not some import knock off. I hope the screen size is the same but with better viewing angles...maybe it means g will finally find a decent panel replacment. Also sounds like VS is not bailing on the tablet market and with the two slates being so close in specs I cannot imagine not seeing Android 3.0 roms for the gTablet. If the 10s screen is much better I might just pick one up and give my parents my old g but I have a feeling it is a mediocre step up if any.
10S has a 512 Mb NAND, but G-tablet 16 gigabytes
People seem to be micing up the dual-booting, atom based, 10 and the 10s, which is an Android device almost identical the gtablet.
From engadget's hands-on of the 10s.
"The 10's sister, the 10s (also a 10.1-inch slate), is launching later this month. However, this tablet is running a skinned version of Android 2.2 on Tegra 2. On the top of the device you'll find the power button, orientation lock and back button. Don't ask us why the back button is up there -- we're just as puzzled as you are. On the right side, you'll find a hinged door hiding an HDMI, USB 2.0 and Micro SD slot. Don't worry, there's a 3.5mm headphone port and volume rocker so you can awkwardly rock out connected to the giant gadget piece. The 10s is only launching in Europe, Asia and Russia and is said to cost a rounded 430 smackaroos."
So this begs the question....do I hold out for the 10s North American version or just get the gtablet. I've read reviews that say the 10s screen has the same viewing angle issues as the g tablet. I'm thinking the g tablet will go on sale here pretty soon too.
Actually after max 7 days i will be owner of Viewsonic Viewpad 10s. Then i can make "hands on" review. And this is not yet all folks. I go open this animal to pieces. And this is not yet all folks. I make photos and guides how to do that to not broken your if you get it.
yeah, the screen, if it is bette,r is an advantage, but it looks the same. HDMI i can live without. It is a portable electronic is it not or are we going to start carrying our 55 inch dlp tvs with an extension cord in a backpack. I'm sure targus would be happy. But my main concern on top of the screen of course would be battery. Once again, it is suppose to be portable? and according to the specs 4 hour batt life is nothing to get thrilled about. just my 2 cents.
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yeah, the screen, if it is bette,r is an advantage, but it looks the same. HDMI i can live without. It is a portable electronic is it not or are we going to start carrying our 55 inch dlp tvs with an extension cord in a backpack. I'm sure targus would be happy. But my main concern on top of the screen of course would be battery. Once again, it is suppose to be portable? and according to the specs 4 hour batt life is nothing to get thrilled about. just my 2 cents.
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4 hours?? Are you sure that's not for the dual-boot one? The 10s is the same hardware (speculating about the screen) than the gtablet.
I went and played with the gtablet today in store and was not impressed. The build quality seems pretty good, but the screen viewing angles were pretty crappy. They bolt down the thing at a certain angle for a reason on display it seems. Although, I'd love a chance to play with a VEGAN version. The stock software killed my experience, and I'm sure 99% of the other shoppers.
i did a little searching before i bought the g tab, and saw there are custom roms available. so on the way to the store to pick it up i downloaded the rom on my phone bought the tab and flashed right away. i have no idea what the original rom issues are, since the only time i messed with it was the 10 mins at the depot. gotta say though...love the tab...but needs a better screen. even my lenovo s10 has a better screen.
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Actually after max 7 days i will be owner of Viewsonic Viewpad 10s. Then i can make "hands on" review. And this is not yet all folks. I go open this animal to pieces. And this is not yet all folks. I make photos and guides how to do that to not broken your if you get it.
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Could you confirm that you will get the ViewPad 10s next day? If yes, could you tell me where you got yours, cause I would like to get one too Well in case your review gives me the final confirmation that this is the 10inch, tegra2, 3g equipped android tablet I really want
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Could you confirm that you will get the ViewPad 10s next day? If yes, could you tell me where you got yours, cause I would like to get one too Well in case your review gives me the final confirmation that this is the 10inch, tegra2, 3g equipped android tablet I really want
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it is available in slovenia for the price of 379 eur.
cheers
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it is available in slovenia for the price of 379 eur.
cheers
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Is that the price of the 3G version? Do you have a link to a webshop? Thanks.
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Is that the price of the 3G version? Do you have a link to a webshop? Thanks.
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non-3g.
http://www.odnesi.si/tablicni-racunalnik-viewsonic-viewpad-10s-101-android-22-p-19941
http://www.enaa.com/oddelki/racunalnistvo/izd_6862_1102012_Tablicni_racunalnik_ViewSonic_ViewPad_10s
http://www.mimovrste.com/artikel/2750344429/tablicni-racunalnik-viewsonic-viewpad-10s-101-android-22
all the sites are in slovenian only, the last 2 ship internationally...
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I would like to hear from people who own tablets and laptops. I would say i wanna hear from only people who have asus eee pads and tablets, but im sure there few in numbers.
I was wondering what people use there asus eee pad (or other tablet) for? Do you use your tablet more then your laptop? What do you enjoy on your tablet that you don't enjoy "as much" on your laptop? Do you feel like it would be worth buying the asus eee pad prime if you already have a great gaming computer?
Quick question. Can you charge a cell phone from the USB port on the Transformer's dock? That's one great thing about owning a laptop, unlimited battery on my phone.
Can the Prime be charged when plugged into a laptop?
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Quick question. Can you charge a cell phone from the USB port on the Transformer's dock? That's one great thing about owning a laptop, unlimited battery on my phone.
Can the Prime be charged when plugged into a laptop?
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thats a good question, i have no idea.
Well, i just bought a high-end laptop (i7, 8gb, 256gb ssd, hd6630), not specially a gamer laptop but handles games fine. And i also bought the prime. I'm replacing my desktop and netbook with them. The idea is to use the laptop for allaround. Games (every kind), programming in eclipse and some photo editing (with my desktop monitor), basically just anything i might want to throw at it. Then using the tablet for mail, im, playing films and music without having to carry a full laptop all around... who knows, in the future maybe even some android-exclusive gaming... and i'm throwing in the dock because i'm a heavy mail user, so i guess it would be more comfortable, and i like the idea of using my SD cards on the tablet, having a USB port for my external hard drive and the 6 hours extra battery. I travel a lot too, so sometimes the laptop won't be suitable for some kind of travelling while the tablet may be. I have to admit that i'm kind of worried that i might not use the tablet enough to justify its cost, but providing i code for Android and every other thing i just said... i believe i won't be dissapointed. The fact i got a laptop for those uses instead of a desktop is that i'm probably moving to a foreign country soon (1-2 months) and i couldn't afford carrying such a big thing.
When i decided to switch my desktop and netbook for a laptop and a tablet, the transformer (hadn't heard of the prime yet) seemed like my perfect partner, as i use my netbook for almost everything and my desktop just for gaming and photo editing, which is not much lately. If only we had eclipse (or a decent IDE) on the transformer prime, it would really be the perfect gadget for me.
You'll get different answers depending on whether people use them for work, school, or leisure and their overall device portfolio.
I have a high-end i7 desktop with a 23" monitor, a work issued high-end 15" laptop with broadband, a Sony Vaio P with broadband, a tablet with broadband, and a SGS2. All five are connected to my work and personnel Exchange accounts (I don't use Google Mail or apps).
I got a tablet over the Summer and the two devices it impacted most were my phone and the Vaio primarily because out of the three the tablet's now my #1 consumption device. If I'm home and doing anything serious I'll always use my desktop. I'll play with the tablet while I'm watching TV or need to reference something quickly and I have a couple of docks where I'm likely to use it most. I also use it to reply to casual MMS and e-mail because the screen and keyboard are better than the phone's.
If I'm traveling for business where I'll need to do heavy-duty work in Word, Excel, and PowerPoint I'll leave the tablet home and take either my laptop or the Vaio. When I know I'm going to be on the road for a while I'll take the laptop. Anyone who says an Android device can be a subsitute for a work device is nuts. With VPN's, MS Office, extranets et. al., while Android can fake it there's no substitute for native Windows apps, a discrete graphics card, and heaps of RAM and disk space. For day trips and one or two nighter's I'll just bring the tablet because fake-Office will get my by. Same thing if I'm on a leisure trip where I just need to be connected. I do find myself taking the tablet with me when I'm out around town. It's great in restaurants and when you're waiting to be able to read the news, stream media, and send and receive MMS and e-mail. The Vaio does a good job as a consumption device and it's got a 256GB SSD. It's smaller than the tablet but it's still Windows so it takes forever to boot and the screen's not as good as the tablet for video and entertainment type stuff. If I didn't have to be connected to work so much I'd use the tablet instead of the other devices more.
Long answer but bottom line is YMMV depending on what you typically use your laptop (or other devices) for.
According to my experience with the original Transformer (the Prime seems to work the same in this regard)
Yes, phones can be charged via the dock USB port.
No, the Transformer can't be charged by USB on a laptop nor a desktop computer not even a classic power AC or with a classic USB cable.
The Transformer need a 12v output to charge (standard USB cable only handle 5v, and standard power AC only output 5v).
The upside of this is that it charge very very fast (4h is enough to fully charge the dock and the tablet)
I remember on the original transformer, there was a lag when typing online with the dock. It as super annoying when trying to look up stuff at school. I sold it and bought a MBA but I'm hoping this problem is not in the new one so I can get rid of my air for school.
I would say that it's worth it depending on what your needs are. I also have a 17 inch MBP that I never take to school because of the size. However, it is my favorite laptop since the high resolution let's me comfortably view 2 pages side by side and I also have a super fast intel 320 ssd in it. I do have a place in my life for a tablet and I really hope that the prime is it. One of my favorite things to do in the morning was to grab my ipad and go sit on the toilet. Trust me when I say that it's much more uncomfortable balancing a 17 inch laptop on the jon!
^ lmao I know what you mean I have a pc 17" pc laptop and a 13" mbp and I too always spend a great amount of time in the washroom on my 3.7 inch phone. Hopefully I'll be more comfortable when I get the prime. Laptop just to heavy and annoying to use the track pad while on the laptop.
I was wondering this too.
I got a Midrange desktop connected to my 32" 1080p TV and a 15.4" low end laptop.
Im always on my laptop as I moved back home and its not comfy using PC on my bed ha ha. So Im considering if £330 (after voucher and sale of my old HTC Desire) for the Transformer Prime and dock will be worth it while I do not have a job. I am looking for a job and will could get one anytime so tablet will be useful for work based tasks while im away from work and home.
I have a low-end laptop (i3,4gb RAM) and a mid-range desktop (AMD 965 Black, 4gb RAM). This tablet will be strictly for fun, and watching movies while travelling. I had a G Tablet last year and it just didn't do it for me. I'm hoping that the Transformer is all it's cracked up to be, or I'll probably be ditching it in a couple of months.
As they are right now, tablets are primarily for media consumption.
While there are a good amount of productivity apps, the big hitter would be the Android equivalent of Microsoft Office, and having tried most of them, there just aren't any that make the cut.
The ASUS Transformer series are a step in the right direction, mainly because of their distinguishing feature, the keyboard dock. But until there are Android apps that make good use of it, it won't replace my MS Office-equipped Alienware laptop when I really need to get work done.
I used to have the original TF, so I know this from experience. I just hope that with the Prime, they got rid of, or at least improved the typing lag that was present in the TF.
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As they are right now, tablets are primarily for media consumption.
While there are a good amount of productivity apps, the big hitter would be the Android equivalent of Microsoft Office, and having tried most of them, there just aren't any that make the cut.
The ASUS Transformer series are a step in the right direction, mainly because of their distinguishing feature, the keyboard dock. But until there are Android apps that make good use of it, it won't replace my MS Office-equipped Alienware laptop when I really need to get work done.
I used to have the original TF, so I know this from experience. I just hope that with the Prime, they got rid of, or at least improved the typing lag that was present in the TF.
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was not aware of typing lag, that would suck BALLS if they didn't get rid of it.
the reason i made this thread is because im planning on buying a laptop, but im worried it will take place of my tablet.. i may still buy them both, but im still not sure.
I have Transformer and recently I was really mad because I had to bring my laptop which was so heavy to finish some powerpoint presentation. I immediately bought USB adapter for Trasnformer and next time I hope my laptop will stay at home where I use it as a desktop.
If you need a laptop, then you need a laptop. Thinking a tablet is going to be a complete replacement is a mistake if you do anything demanding or that requires heavy use of specific applications.
What I think a tablet - and especially the Transformer Prime - replaces is a netbook. Laptops are powerful, but also usually larger, heavier and with considerably worse battery life. Netbooks are cheap, but usually quite anaemically-powered for running desktop OSes, and usually don't have the touch-screen accessibility of a tablet. I think the Prime sits in a great position with respect to size, weight, battery life, power and usability here.
If you'd be happy using a netbook to use the web, email, take notes, play video, chat to people, play simpler games and do some light office application work, the Prime is a real contender. If you need to do something you wouldn't want to do on a netbook, the Prime isn't likely to be any better.
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If you need a laptop, then you need a laptop. Thinking a tablet is going to be a complete replacement is a mistake if you do anything demanding or that requires heavy use of specific applications.
What I think a tablet - and especially the Transformer Prime - replaces is a netbook. Laptops are powerful, but also usually larger, heavier and with considerably worse battery life. Netbooks are cheap, but usually quite anaemically-powered for running desktop OSes, and usually don't have the touch-screen accessibility of a tablet. I think the Prime sits in a great position with respect to size, weight, battery life, power and usability here.
If you'd be happy using a netbook to use the web, email, take notes, play video, chat to people, play simpler games and do some light office application work, the Prime is a real contender. If you need to do something you wouldn't want to do on a netbook, the Prime isn't likely to be any better.
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I agree 100%
I dont know why people even think it can replace a laptop.
Netbook replacement for a Transformer + dock makes much more sense.
Nekromantik said:
I agree 100%
I dont know why people even think it can replace a laptop.
Netbook replacement for a Transformer + dock makes much more sense.
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i don't know if anyones implying something, but i never said/thought it would EVER replace a laptop.
If we had a fully functioning office application (no polaris does not count) then maybe most wouldn't need their laptops.
however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
LibreOffice team working on a free Android version
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If we had a fully functioning office application (no polaris does not count) then maybe most wouldn't need their laptops.
however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
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I highly doubt Microsoft would ever release Office for Android. We may see Android being supported by Office Live! running in the cloud. However, just as we have several MS Office alternatives on the desktop, they are also coming out for Android. The Document Foundation is actively developing LibreOffice for Android.
LibreOffice team working on a free Android version
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however until Microsoft release office for android you will need both for most business or study uses.
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It's more then just MS Office. Someone mentioned PPT. If you're presenting at a clients location god knows what you'll find yourself connecting to for projection. A flat-panel with HDMI? A circa 2000 LCD projector with a VGA cable? DVI? USB? S-Video? And large PPTs are loaded with heavy graphics, transitions, interactivity, and imbedded video. They can tax a low-powered laptop.
And networking at a clients location is tough enough with a Windows laptop where IT staff at least know what settings have to be input to get on their network. And many companies forbid Wi-Fi because of the security risk so you're connecting over Ethernet. The networking tools on Android are really just meh and vary across manufacturers so IT groups usually won't touch them.
And don't forget you're looking at a device with 1GB of RAM, limited graphics capabilities, and a processor that while great for a tablet or phone isn't architected for heavy-duty business apps. This again can even tax a low-end laptop. When MS increased the size of spreadsheets in 64bit Excel I had to buy a dozen new i7 laptops with tons of RAM for people at work because their two-year old laptops could no longer handle the load.
I know these are extremes and only effect a minority of people but just because an Android tablet with a keyboard looks like a laptop won't make it a true replacement in its current form. This is where there's probably a real opening for Windows 8 tablets. It'll support multiple chipsets and the h/w on the high-end will be a lot more powerful and versatile than anything Android. And of course the s/w will be business compatible. So once W8 tablets arrive Android for business use will probably disappear and MS, Dell, and HP know it. Even though I have a tablet with a keyboard, this is what I use when I don't feel like schlepping my 10lbs of laptop and accessories on the road. It's running Windows 7 Ultimate, MS Office 2010, has a 256GB SSD, and weighs a pound and a half with all its accessories.
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It's more then just MS Office. Someone mentioned PPT. If you're presenting at a clients location god knows what you'll find yourself connecting to for projection. A flat-panel with HDMI? A circa 2000 LCD projector with a VGA cable? DVI? USB? S-Video?...
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Asus specifically makes an HDMI to VGA dongle for the Transformer. HDMI is also easily changed into DVI as the signals are electronically compatible. With a Tegra 3 processor the Transformer Prime should handle sophisticated PPT presentations with ease. In fact it would probably be much better than the shoddy Intel integrated graphics on my enterprise business class Tablet PC.
I wouldn't necessarily want to use the Transformer for content creation (not yet), but I would think it would be more than adequate for the business traveler who needs to show presentations.
http://www.slashgear.com/microsoft-patent-takes-the-transformer-prime-one-step-further-08217529/
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Lets hope so. I really like the prime "formfactor" and would like tablets/laptop/ultrabooks to keep using a separate dock so competition gives more chance for that to happen.
Yes!!!! Please!!!
Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
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Yes, indeed, and actually I disagree that Windows Tablet PCs sucked (or suck). They were (and remain) EXCELLENT for anyone who needs to gather information in the field, take copious notes (e.g., students, salespeople, etc.), and who can benefit from having full Windows apps (e.g., Office 2010) in a highly mobile form factor with alternative means to enter information.
In fact, I think Apple's biggest (and worst) feat was to convince people that active digitizers and pens are a bad thing--they're not, and no capacitive touchscreen can provide anything near the accuracy and precision. Microsoft should be sent to the lowest rung of business hell for how poorly they marketed the Tablet PC platform. I used Tablet PCs for six years as a sales engineer for Ricoh, and you'd have had to pry the things out of my cold, dead hands before I would have given them up.
Modern tablets are good for consumption and very light productivity. But if I were still in a sales position where I took lots of notes, I'd be using a Tablet PC today. And even though I'm not, I'd still kill for a Transformer running Windows 8 with full Office and an active digitizer/pen. That would be heaven.
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I'm just wondering whether or not in the future, ASUS will give us the option of Android or Windows 8.
I'd consider a Windows 8 device like this easily, as long as it's good enough, but without something like getting cygwin (groan) up and running and sticking an Xeon in the back pocket to run that fast enough, I can't really fathom it being as good for my needs as Android -- where I can use the best of Linux and Android to fulfill my needs.
For many power users, a Windows 8+ transformer would probably be the best thing.
I'm still wondering when a future iteration of laptops will make a touch screen manatory and the touchpad like PS/2 ports used to be...hehe.
You can bet that Windows 8, as much as the metro interface blows, will be a seed of change for the future of tablet computing. The main reason is the application support it will gain. Combine that with tablets that have true digitizers and you're looking at the future.
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets. There were microsoft tablets that had that functionality years ago; albeit they kind of sucked, but they were out there.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/lenovo-ideapad-u1-hybrid-laptop-by-day-unhinged-tablet-by-nigh/
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Picture is an HP tablet .. not microsoft, it was just running a version of XP with touchscreen functions
AFAIK microsoft never made a tablet themselfs.
I know what you mean though, asus aint the first to come up with a tablet design with keyboard dock...
MS never had a decent operating system for touch screen devices untill perhaps windows 8 ??
Who knows.
Those HP tablets didn't have true touch screen capabilities only the use of a Pen (Stylus) what had a battery inside it what would die after a month or two.
They were quite good I used to use one in school as I was slow at writing and keeping up. Every teacher had one and they were quite reliable. They were pretty much just a laptop with a navigation pen (no where near as good as any modern day touchphone or tablet
There's a fallacy here the Apple created and everyone now seems to follow: that a capacitive touch screen is necessarily better for all mobile devices. Sure, it doesn't require a stylus, but it's also very inaccurate and imprecise. Modern mobile OSs are simply designed around their limitations (e.g., large buttons).
Recent Windows Tablet PCs that use active digitizers and pens (most of which do NOT require batteries) offer excellent precision and accuracy, pressure sensitivity, etc. My four-year-old Dell Latitude XT also has a capacitive layer for touch (support 2-finger multitouch), for what it's worth. And, Windows 7 is excellent with such a stylus, offering a responsive screen, tablet-specific shortcuts (e.g., multi-selecting files in Windows Explorer), etc.
I'd say that a Windows 7 Tablet PC with a modern digitizer could easily make for a great experience with just a few improvements, and is a very good experience today. No, it's not optimized for touch, but then again there's far more precision and control with the current stylus-based metaphor. The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing, and so now we have over-simplified touch-based interfaces that, while seeming more elegant (I mean, we just TOUCH our screens with our FINGERS and they respond!) are actually quite limited functionally.
Now, I see the advantage of touch screens on smartphones. They're too small to make even a good active digitizer and pen functional. And I think those make good use of touch-optimized user interfaces. But tablets are a different story. As I said earlier, Microsoft should be shot for neglecting this form factor for so long--they had a freaking goldmine on their hands, and blew it.
>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
Here's a refresher (for the system reviewed below): $3640, 3.12 lbs, 3-4 hrs use.
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4323
Resistive touch tech has its strong points. Its weak point is that you need a pointed stick, and fingers (which aren't pointed) are more convenient to use. As you yourself pointed out, having capacitive touch doesn't exclude more precise input methods, eg HTC Flyer and Thinkpad Tablet. That those differentiations didn't take was because there is no mainstream demand for precise input on mobile devices. All mobile OS UIs, including Win8's Metro, are designed for fingers.
BTW, for those who can't be bothered to read the article, the patent is applied not for the detachable screen, but for the dedicated SoC in the dock. So, you'd get high performance in dock mode, and battery-conserving mode when undocked.
It's not a very practical idea, since you'd incur the cost of the additional SoC and supporting components--effectively doubling the component cost. It'd be good for a premium device w/o worry for price competition. But that's not today's market. Win8 will have its work cut out to compete against the iPad price-wise.
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>The problem is, Steve Jobs convinced everyone that needing a stylus is a bad thing
Quit the inane blame game. MS' Tablet PC & convertibles were around long before the iPad. They failed because of MS' mistakes, not because Jobs "dupes" users. I note you didn't mention how much that Latitude XT cost, or its battery life, or how heavy it was. Or, more to point, how useful it was to the normal user who just want to browse the web, do light wordprocessing, and watch movies (no social back in those days).
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I believe I did blame Microsoft, quite strongly. And yes, back then component costs were higher, including ultra-low voltage Intel X86 processors and small form-factor notebooks in general. Also, you picked a very expensive example (I paid quite a bit less for my Latitude XT). Today, Tablet PCs can be had for under $1000.
Also, note that the HTC and Lenovo tablets with pens don't use standard capacitive screens for the pen input. They use active digitizers from N-trig, which are far more precise than the typical capacitive stylus.
My point about Jobs's role in the whole thing is how he argued against the stylus in a very disingenuous attack on Tablet PCs of the time, and just as important how nobody called him on it. But that's a different debate.
I'd be happy to have a device with the productivity of Windows 7 tablets and active digitizer/pens (full Office apps, an excellent notetaking app like OneNote, etc.), with the same battery life advantages and, yes, simpler user interface of iOS and ICS tablets for casual use. Perhaps Win 8 will offer that combination. I wonder, though, because I don't believe there's a low-power processor out yet that can handle the kind of background handwriting recognition that Window 7 Tablet PCs can handle.
And note that Tablet PCs were just fine for the things you things you mention--Web browsing, light word processing, watching movies--as today's tablets. They weren't as light, and they didn't offer the battery life. But that's because the technology wasn't there yet. And in fact, in terms of running X86 apps (i.e., more than today's exceedingly simple mobile apps), we're only this year getting the Intel chipsets to make it possible. I'm still unclear on whether the ARM version of Win 8 will run X86 apps, but I'm pretty sure it won't.
My point was that Tablet PCs were incredibly productive devices, far more so than any modern tablet made today. And I stick by that assertion 100%.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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I agree with you about the Transformer, it's a great implementation. Saying Windows 8 looks disappointing seems like a non sequitor here, though.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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Microsoft is missing the entire point of the tablet. No one wants half a device, especially when the preformance cut is coming from the half of device you use. The power needs to be in the tablet itself, not the dock. All the tablet optimized gaming will be terrible if you need the keyboard attached to unlock the true potential.
The article makes it seem like the transformer is at a loss because it doesn't give you more preformance when you dock. The point of the dock isn't preformance, it's battery life and word processing with more expansion slots! You don't need more power forword processing or pulling files off a usb drive lol.
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I see. Well, this is just one patent that Microsoft may or may not be planning to make (far more patents are written than are actually made into real products). It really has nothing to do with Windows 8, which I guarantee will be on all kinds of different form factors before it's all done.
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Calling asus copycats is ridiculous. There were keyboards for tablets before - yes. But none anywhere near as intuitive & featured as the tf101. Look at the motion le1700 for a perfect example of keyboard tablet fails. Ipad has tried. HP has tried. No one has come close to making a tablet with a keyboard as well as asus.
it really is lame when people lose credit for properly implementing good ideas.
windows 8 looks more and more disappointing.
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And calling a microsoft tablet that has a keyboard dock a transformer prime copycat might even be more ridiculous. If you'd actually read the remark "calling asus [a] copycat" correctly you'd see I hadn't actually called Asus copycats:
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Umm if all it takes to be a copycat is to have a tablet with removeable keyboard then the prime and original transformer are the copycats not microsoft tablets.
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I don't believe Asus was a copycat, but if you're ONLY taking into account the tablet with detachable keyboard form factor, then yes they copied an idea someone else had come up with before them.
I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
Windows 8 could be the greatest thing to come to tablets, mobile computing and the "post-PC world", the ultimate merging of a unified OS across all your computers, the death knell to Apple or the opposite, the last desperate failure of Microsoft in the mobile world and dawn of Apple domination across all devices; or more likely just another decent option in the computing world where we get to choose which one suits our own personal style the most.
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I think Asus definitely has done a great job implementing this good idea, and they deserve a ton of credit for that. But don't give them credit for coming up with the original idea and taking that credit away from the people that did.
And as pointed out, the new idea for this Microsoft tablet patent is to have 2 separate SoCs (we'll see if it's a good one or not once it's out, my guess is not). Which the prime doesn't do.
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Agreed. Far more is made about this whole being first thing. Apple wasn't the first with the smartphone (although they did some things to make it better, while in my opinion obliterating some of what was good about previous versions), ASUS isn't the first to make a keyboard dock/tablet combo (and I don't think HP was first with theirs, either), etc. Innovation doesn't mean just coming up with something uniquely original--sometimes it means taking a good idea and making it better (or just different).
Even THIS idea isn't new. Lenovo had a notebook/tablet hybrid they intro'd at CES in 2012, the IdeaPad U1. It was a full-fledged Windows notebook in the base, and the "screen" was a detachable tablet with an ARM SoC. They never made it as an actual commercial product, I don't think.
I actually doubt that this Microsoft patent will ever see a shipping product. As I mentioned, far more ideas are patented than are actually made into real products. It's possible, but somehow I doubt it.
We know, we know. Better wifi/gps. But what else?
On my list would be:
Battery/energy performance improvements - When I watched the tegra 3 videos for months before it came out I expected a steep increase in battery life performance over my tf101. Although the processor is faster - the battery life is about the same as my tf101, if not slightly worse. 28nm tegra 4 SoC's may improve this - but when I say improvements I want real improvements, not just what apple did with the ipad 3, improve the tablet but not the battery, just put a bigger battery in instead.
GPU improvements over display improvements - This is sort of related to the first improvement. I still fail to see the need for a 1080p+ screen on such a small device. It's a battery killer and 720p is sufficient, maybe a little more would be nice, but what's more important is the gpu. I see the need for a faster gpu, gaming is still in the ps2 / xbox phase - we need to jump up to current day graphics. I can live happily with a 720p display with more battery life and better graphics capabilities.
Less bezel. Self explanatory.
Ability to add folder shortcuts to the homescreen in the stock file manager. This is an essential feature.
More RAM. Even the crappiest netbooks on the market are upgradeable to 4gb, a little more wouldn't hurt.
USB on tablet. An edge the tfp has over the ipad is memory expansion. There is cloud software available - but weening mobile users off of usb isn't going to happen any time soon.
And most importantly...
Production. Asus won't let themselves succeed, they always second guess their products and then on release they are impossible to obtain. Preorders on both the tf101 and prime were backed up for weeks if not months. Asus, manufacturer more than enough to meet the demands of consumers because it's embarrassing when apple can move 3m ipads in 3 days but you can't make a hundred thousand in 3 months. If you can't meet demand - your sales won't increase.
I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced
Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.
Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.
demandarin said:
I'm hoping next generation of Asus tablets after infinity pad will have Tegra4 in it. that will be even greater battery life and a dramatic boost in CPU and GPU performance. ill be holding on to my prime till then. nothing I've seen out from the competition makes me want to get rid of the Prime or seem more powerful than it. but honestly I get great battery life on my prime considering how much I use it and the kind of games and emulators I'm running on it. I easily get 10hrs. + battery life. Some may think this battery life not good enough but its the best Android has right now. Prime has the longest lasting battery of any tablet out now. according to Asus own specs, prime will still have better battery life than the Infinity pad or the new 300. the 300 actually has the shortest battery life, I believe. I could be wrong. but I know prime has the longest lasting battery life of all Asus tablets out now or coming out! that's been announced
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Yeap, the tf300/infinity have less battery life from the slide I saw a while back. I don't know why it's that way for the tf300, it should be on par with the tf101 and prime. The tf700 is more obvious, and is one of the reasons I think the 1080p+ screens are a step backwards for mobile devices. But the 4g is also to blame, for shorter battery life. I can't blame asus for that - carriers won't touch the wifi only prime, so with mobile data plans available to the tf700 it will help revenue. At least they won't have to market crappy galaxy tabs or xooms anymore.
The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month, doesn't drain your tablet battery, you can charge it off the dock in your bag while you use your tablet separately, and it works for more than one device.
Tegra 4 isn't going to impact tablets as much as it will impact netbooks. The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones. If you've paid any attention to netbooks lately - they're still lacking in the cpu and graphics department, and amd/intel are the big contenders in that department - which is why nvidia has alot to gain by offering an energy efficient 8 core ARM SoC for windows 8 netbooks.
Nvidia is moving forward from taking AMD on in the graphics department and hitting them where it will hurt in the cpu market. And everyone knows intel atom processors are complete ****, so x86/x32 on ultrabooks/netbooks may become a thing of the past if Nvidia can pull this off.
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Default file manager is not perfect. Would love to see improvements aka incorporate what ES and Astro have been doing for a long time.
Better Inputs. The microSD card sticking out is stupid. Just make it more recessed. Same for the Audio jack, only half of it is in, the rest is exposed. Some times I drop audio in one ear, not sure, but I bet its due to this.
Better default features for lockscreen.
Speaker placement, maybe we need two speakers? The location is not great.
Keyboard keys on dock feel cheap. they are light, but when the battery already weighs what it weighs, just give me nicer keys.
WTF. How could ASUS let those chargers out of the factory. If they are plugged in one way, and you hold your tablet, it gives you a fuzzy jolt!
The tilting mechanism of the tablet on the dock kinda makes the tablet fall backwards when open. all the weight of the device is right at the back... it falls backwards all the time for me.
The build quality of the dock. If you pick it up from the side where the tablet docks, the underside metal bows & will make a clicking sound for me. The four rubber circles on the bottom of the dock aren't even! If i set my docked tablet on the table, it will still slide around cuz only 2 rubbers are on the counter.
I would always be happier with more RAM
I would like a better ASUS manager, which CRASHES all the time.
The screen bulging is annoying.
Its bad, the list can go on and on.
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I forgot to mention the microsd card in OP, glad you posted that.
Completely agree on the headphone jack, when I plug my headphones in and put my tablet in my bookbag the headphone connector shimmys it's way out and the audio cuts. It's only been doing this recently though. My fix was to just put the tablet in my bag with the jack facing down so the weight of the tablet keeps it in, not worried about my cables because they are Kevlar reinforced with a slanted jack.
I think speakers on mobile devices are a lost cause to be honest. Laptop speakers have sucked for years and they've had far more room to work with than tablets do. I won't ever be pleased with the speakers on a phone/tablet/laptop until I can hear the subbass frequencies that only my 12 inch sub or pricey beyerdynamic headphones can provide. Which is why my inner audiophile will say it's better just to go out and buy a nice set of headphones if audio quality is a concern.
Chiclet keys are a bit on the annoying side, but they're still usable. I just wish the tablet wasn't so much thicker than the dock, I wish they were even, perhaps cram some extra batteries or speakers in there.
Two words above all else;
Quality Control
Do not release buggy products, test the features you plan to advertise well in advance of the actual product release.
After that?
More RAM. 2 GB minimum. 4 would be better. And worth paying for.
Next up, 16/32 is a fine size to choose from for ROM (on board storage). I bought a 64 GB Prime and have used 8GB. I download apps extensively and never uninstall or delete anything. Maybe I'm missing something here, I don't do much video or take a lot of pics, or have a lot of audio files on my tablet. OTOH, I have a 32gb micro SD card in the dock (with adapter), and would be perfectly content putting pics, movies, short vids, etc, on there.
To the OP, the current bezel is fine. If you never take it out of the dock I could see wanting a smaller bezel, but part of the appeal of the Transformer series is that you CAN take it out of the dock. And when you do remove it, the current size of bezel means you can handle it easily (even with my large hands) without pressing the screen and opening/closing all sorts of apps.
The one physical layout of the Prime that I would change is that there is a button or control or cable plugin on each of the 4 sides.
This means that you have no where to rest if it is charging and you have an audio cable plugged in while you hold it to do something like play a game. I would put the audio plug, volume controls, HDMI plug, and power button all on one side. Leave the USB/Charging port where it is for convenience of keyboard docking. This means you have a short side and a long side that you can choose to rest on the table while playing a game, and you don't have to fight the cables or be concerned about setting the tablet on the power or volume buttons (and either messing up your volume or, worse yet, turning the power off) while doing so.
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I also forgot about the MicroSD slot. Leaving the (expensive) card half way out to be pressed by random objects and fired across the room by the ejection spring is a very, very poor design decision. If you insist on keeping the curve of the tablet shell put a "half moon" indentation in the shell to allow pressing the fully recessed MicroSD card in for release.
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Quality test the mess out of their next device, if any problem is spotted via web browsing, opening apps, connecting it to a larger TV monitor. Then they need to hold off until releasing it until they get it resolved.
The Transformer Prime should have shipped with all issues ironed out. So the consumer don't have to deal with these issues. Apple does this for it's iphone and iPad, ASUS should have done this or the Transformer Prime.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I don't believe usb port would add to the thickness of a device, the dock is thinner than the tablet and can fit a usb port with room to spare.
There is a need for a bezel, just a smaller one would be nice. I have average sized hands and the bezel is still rather wide for my thumbs, about 70% of the current size would be acceptable.
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You think iPhone's and iPad's don't have issues of there own? Nothing is perfect. iPhone 4s even with the new antennae design it still has the death grip issue. The new iPad, Yellow-ish tinted screens, overheating, poor wifi.
Lots of things could be added i mean instead of a spring loaded microsd why not a microsim like tray for the microsd?
Some Quality control would be nice, wouldn't scared off some potential customers and retailers.
The Bezel is fine to be honest how else would you hold and rest your thumbs on the screen? While yes they could develop more into the software and have it reject the thumb, Its just not reasonable.
Also a full sized usb you said? How else can they make the device so thin? Maybe a micro usb, but i don't think it can transfer enough data/power while docked.
Display? Well Asus TFP Infinity self-explanatory for the media junkies such as I.
2Gb Ram, better for the multi-tasking android supports and features.
Speakers on the side, eg Galaxy Tab 10.1 first gen.
Metal or more high quality Chiclets keys on the keyboard.
I just hope somehow someway they will get to use a better GPU on the infinity because tegra 3 is great cpu wise, while it does lack a lot in the gpu department. I mean it has to power a 1080p display and it already lags abit on the prime in some games.
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I didn't say Apple products don't have issues. You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP with ICS to the point that most of us can't even do basic things like utilizing the web browser, or launching and switching between native apps without the system going bugard with problems.
If one can pick up a competitor product and start surfing the web without experiencing the load stall, wait close response, or abrupt-reboot when switching or launching other default installed apps then that points to a serious problem with the quality control at ASUS and Google.
As I said in another thread, Android 4.0 is a major let down in user experience. To me it makes the most ridiculed Microsoft operating systems of the past (Windows Vista, Windows Millennium) look good.
>You're missing the point and that's that ASUS did very little quality testing on the TFP
There is QC. You're it.
>The best option in my opinion is a 4g hotspot from clearwire, unlimited data for $45 a month
lolwut.. I don't think that's good at all...only paying me $45 to use unlimited data. $90 sounds much better.
>The 8 core batman version of wayne will be for ultrabooks/netbooks and the robin version will be for tablets & phones
Pee-wee version for $199 tablet.
>micro-SD slot
Asus should do the same as GPS...take it out! MicroSD? We don't need no stinkin' micro sd..
What's the one thing that all best-selling tablets have in common?
Ya got it! No micro-SD!
Conclusion: MicroSD slot is holding Prime back from greatness!
Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
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Fire their whole QC and Testing Departments and actually hire Quality QCs and Quality Test Engineers..
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Allow unlock with out voiding hardware defect aspect of warranty. I can put a cold air intake on my car and if the power windows stop working I still have a warranty, just saying.
Also,
Now this is a HUGE one.
PUT ANOTHER SOC IN THE DOCK!! With Nvidias SLI technology that would be awesome! Even if it is just the GPU aspect of the tablet. With these SOCs costing about $20, have a "premium" dock priced at $200.
I would buy one in a heartbeat!
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That's different, look at all those Smarties posting in general and q & a asking really smart questions if Asus didn't void the warranty, they would just RMA because they screwed up their own tablet. As a business that's not very smart idea.
Better? Well, jam in an extra processor or ten, a few(10) gigs of ram, up the battery and up the display to qhd(quad hd).
Hello all.
My gorilla glass on my prime is cracked. And I know I could get it replaced by Asus. My question is since they are going to do a full diagonistic on my prime.
Could they replace the LCD screen to the TF700? I mean would that be even possible.
unlikely. If you ever opened a laptop different screens have different "pinouts" as it were for graphics, power, etc. and there are pages of what are called datasheets explaining the peticulars of the screens. Now you CAN replace similar screens from, lets say an HP laptop into an Acer laptop if they are compatable, or a similar run of differently specd laptops may have the same screen module in them. It makes it easier to do repairs.
However on the tablets there is less standardization. A screen module in, say, the iciona tab wont work in the transformer and vice versa. They are too specialized.
If you could somehow get the datasheets for each screen and rewire the connectors to match properly you would also have to code your own linux drivers and insert them into android just so the tab knows what to do with the screen.
That being said there is one ray of hope: Asus being asus they MAY keep compatability between the three transformer screens, meaning the piniouts and specs might be similar enough that you could replace the 700 screen with one from a 300 or the other way around, the only real way to test is to actually try it.
However you run into other issues too, these things are designed so compact that everything is glued / screwed into the screen or casing. If you open a 300 you will notice it is very different construction than the 201, and since the 700 isnt out yet who knows how they will make that one.
Basically, short answer is no, like 98% but im ok with the screen on the prime its good enough for me.