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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This below charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessoriesMy first transformer Prime had charging issues, ( would not charge intermittently) and I found the OEM charger that ships with the prime to be sub-par.. So:
After checking out NUMEROUS threads, I just purchased the following charger and USB adapter from Radio Shack to Use with my Prime:
This particular model has been confirmed to work on the original Transformer-
Enercell AC to DC power adapter 12vdc 1.5A
Radio Shack Model # 273-358
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807944
used together with this USB adapter:
Model #273-227
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3643549
Does anyone know if the above Enercell 12V 1.5A charger should work on the Prime?
see post #104 here in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321&page=11
Also, can someone confirm the Tip polarity I should use? (I believe the prime uses Positive tip polarity just like the original transformer did?)
http://www.12volt-travel.com/knowledgebase/universal-adapter-tip-polarity/
Thanks for any feedback!
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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This above charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessories
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UPDATE 1/10/2012
This above charger and USB adapter WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!!
Charged fast... from 20percent to 100 percent in 2 hours!!!!!
I can now STOP using the OEM charger which is crap!
The charger doesn't even get barely warm while it charges... much better than OEM for me!
Admin: Please add this to the list of working prime accessories
I thought I read somewhere that fast charges aren't good for the long term viability of lithium-based batteries.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
Simple Guidelines to Prolong Lithium-ion Batteries
Do not discharge Li-ion too low; charge more often.
A random or partial charge is fine. Li-ion does not need a full charge.
Limit the time the battery resides at 4.20/cell (full charge), especially if warm.
Moderate the charge current to between 0.5C and 0.8C for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Avoid ultra-fast charging and discharging.
If the charger allows, lower the charge voltage limit to prolong battery life.
Keep the battery cool. Move it away from heat-generating environments. Avoid hot cars and windowsills.
High heat and full state-of-charge, not cycling, cause short battery life in laptops.
Remove battery from laptop when used on the power grid.
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Yeah, I would avoid third-party chargers. Have had a lot of problems with them for laptops.
clankfu said:
Moderate the charge current to between 0.5C and 0.8C for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Avoid ultra-fast charging and discharging.
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Taking 2 hours to charge implies a 0.5C charge rate.
What's the rated voltage, current and wattage of the stock charger anyway?
Please note that the above charger won't work overseas. It's only got 110V.
webbrowser said:
Taking 2 hours to charge implies a 0.5C charge rate.
What's the rated voltage, current and wattage of the stock charger anyway?
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Stock charger is rated 15 volts DC @ 1.2 Amps
This radio Shack charger That is working for me is rated 12volts DC @ 1.5Amps.
I read the Transformer specs required to chagre are 11V to 15V DC @ 1A to 2A max
This charger fits within these specs, so that is why it works pretty well. The TP and the charger itself do not get hot at all, so I don't think this is causing any issues with the battery. Does anyone think a slightly quicker charge time will harm the battery long term?
Li-Ion Batteries are sensitive to fast charging. While it is within specs, your long term battery life could be affected. There is probably a reason that Asus decided to stay at the very bottom end of the spec.
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Li-Ion Batteries are sensitive to fast charging. While it is within specs, your long term battery life could be affected. There is probably a reason that Asus decided to stay at the very bottom end of the spec.
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I have done additional research due to above feed back in regard to Li-Ion's sensitivity with faster chargers.
Apparently, you are correct in regard to long term battery life concerns. I have only done 3 charges so far with the Radio Shack charger. I will let it drain down and switch over to the stock for now and just keep this other one as a backup. Is charging at 300MA more than OEM that much more of significant concern?
Better safe than sorry. Hopefully the few charges I have done did not cause any harm.... If the stock charger goes bad again though, I don't know if I would buy another one....
What was interesting is how hot the stock charger becomes in comparison to the radio shack model, which barely gets even warm. I always was a believer that more heat means less efficiency, so I'm somewhat confused, but I don't want to risk shortening the battery life, so I will go back to OEM stock charger for now, but reluctantly.
I wonder How these "alternative" chargers have effected the batteries for others with the original transformer?
That's an expensive charging setup... nearly $40 eek
mazjohn said:
I have done additional research due to above feed back in regard to Li-Ion's sensitivity with faster chargers.
Apparently, you are correct in regard to long term battery life concerns. I have only done 3 charges so far with the Radio Shack charger. I will let it drain down and switch over to the stock for now and just keep this other one as a backup. Is charging at 300MA more than OEM that much more of significant concern?
Better safe than sorry. Hopefully the few charges I have done did not cause any harm.... If the stock charger goes bad again though, I don't know if I would buy another one....
What was interesting is how hot the stock charger becomes in comparison to the radio shack model, which barely gets even warm. I always was a believer that more heat means less efficiency, so I'm somewhat confused, but I don't want to risk shortening the battery life, so I will go back to OEM stock charger for now, but reluctantly.
I wonder How these "alternative" chargers have effected the batteries for others with the original transformer?
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I wouldn't worry if I were you. What you bought is just an adapter with a USB socket. The part which decides how to charge the battery is inside the tablet. The requirement for the adapter is to have the same voltage as the original one and at least as much current ( meaning 1.2A or more). The tablet will only take what it needs.
Be careful http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&gl=US
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Be careful http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=/watch?v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&v=SMy2_qNO2Y0&gl=US
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It's always easy to scare people. It does say in the description of the movie that he did it by removing the protection circuit. They are designed with protection, so of course they will blow up without one.
Dude why so serious?
It was a joke thus a smiley was implemented. It is quite difficult to do that to a battery. Although I have seen some insane people in the RC hobby community destroy expensive cars and helicopter this way.
Lipo+ignorance=Hollywood style explosions
I saw the smile, don't worry. It is just that most of people, especially when they do not have the knowledge about something, tend to see the bad part (I'm also guilty of this, not in this domain though ).
So, it was not anything against you, the video is entertaining. I just wanted to put people at ease.
Charging Issues
It does not matter the type of rechargeable battery, any "quick charge" will reduce the battery life. I personally don't think 300mA is that much of a difference, but am sure the battery life would be reduced somewhat over time. Nor would I worry much from just 3 charges.
However I don't think we should have to shell out an additional $40 just because Asus can't build quality components. Mine quit charging consistently yesterday (week and a half). I guess we can put it in the same category as GPS...non professional and spotty at best.
EatMy45 said:
However I don't think we should have to shell out an additional $40 just because Asus can't build quality components. Mine quit charging consistently yesterday (week and a half). I guess we can put it in the same category as GPS...non professional and spotty at best.
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Don't worry, ASUS will remove the charger from the SPECs and say it is no longer supported, problem solved...
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Hi everybody,
Since the TP2 is using a whole lot more power than my old HTC Universal, I am looking for a decent Solar charging solution for on my bike.
TomTomnavigator + GPS use more than 500mA (I mean when I put in a car charger of this type hte phone says "insufficient current to blablabl")
I surfed the net, but decent info is hard to find about this specific problem. I mean I want to plug my phone in the solar charger and KNOW that it will give sufficient powersupply to charge the battery (or at least keep it at the same level)
Anybody an idea or maybe a link to a DECENT site (with CORRECT technical info)? Commercial sites with the best product ever, i have seen enough until you test it!
thanx to all!
Kjoere
I have one of these that I got on Amazon for 80 bucks and I love this thing! It also acts as a spare battery, and you can adjust the voltage. I brought it with me when I went camping. It's definitely worth it.
http://www.icetechusa.com/catalogue-solar-167464-spec.html
I've tried several of the cheap Chinese solar chargers and also a Solio, and they are all crap
Solar charger need direct sunlight. If cloudy, they can take a few days (daylight days not 24hr days!) to charge. So unless you live on the African Savanah where it will charge in 7 hours, then you will have a long wait.
I put my Solio on my window cill in January this year, and by the midle of February it got a full charge. I kid you not
You are probably much better off with a external power pack that uses 1 or 2 standard AA batteries or a minimum 2000mAh lithium battery
This solar 'card' from Swiss batteries looks interesting.
A 1mm thick bendable, weather-proof card of more efficient modern solar cell technology, with a claimed [up to] 40% greater efficiency than other cells. A portable battery option (as with the power monkey ) is also available.
And check out the solar bags on their site too!
PaulusUK said:
You are probably much better off with a external power pack that uses 1 or 2 standard AA batteries or a minimum 2000mAh lithium battery
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Where might I get an external power pack with more than one AA battery? I can only find 1xAA packs, and I can't imagine a little old alkaline AA could produce NEARLY enough current at 5v to charge our beefy phones. Not for any amount of time, anyway, and not without heating up to what I would consider dangerous levels...
godefroi said:
Where might I get an external power pack with more than one AA battery? I can only find 1xAA packs, and I can't imagine a little old alkaline AA could produce NEARLY enough current at 5v to charge our beefy phones. Not for any amount of time, anyway, and not without heating up to what I would consider dangerous levels...
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I'm afraid too that alcaline AA's won't do the job pretty well, although rechargeable NiMh could be worth a try
For outdoor-recharge, I'm using this general USB-charger featuring a rechargeable 2200 mAh 18650 LiOn battery:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18883
It has the advantage that you can change the 18650 easily, thus enabling you to take several ones with you for long voyages
MeCry
godefroi said:
Where might I get an external power pack with more than one AA battery? I can only find 1xAA packs, and I can't imagine a little old alkaline AA could produce NEARLY enough current at 5v to charge our beefy phones. Not for any amount of time, anyway, and not without heating up to what I would consider dangerous levels...
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This is the best on I have found
Its a massive 3400mAh with a 5v 700ma output so will charge most phones and other gadgets no problem. It is just a bit smaller than the TP2 so is easy to carry around in a pocket
I got mine off ebay for less money - same unit but a different manufacturer. AFAIK, these are commonly rebranded, but look for the shape and the 3400 mah spec.
Most of the other Chinese ones from places like Dealextreme are lower capacity
I was really hoping for something using standard AA (maybe NiMH, 4 of those would be 4.8V).
In fact, 2xAA NiMH should be able to deliver the sort of current we're talking about here, right?
And, sure enough, Here is someone that's built exactly what I want. Who wants to assemble me one?
One product springs to mind: The powermonkey-eXplorer
https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/powermonkey-explorer/
thanx roger
I got an Energizer 2xAA charger, and it works on my TP2 absolutely fine. You need to use good quality batteries in it, but it's fairly compact and keeps the battery topped up while I'm out using the GPS with no car nearby!!!
http://www.google.co.uk/products?hl...a=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4
gringolian said:
I got an Energizer 2xAA charger, and it works on my TP2 absolutely fine. You need to use good quality batteries in it, but it's fairly compact and keeps the battery topped up while I'm out using the GPS with no car nearby!!!
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Energizer says it needs Lithium batteries (which I think are 1.7v), have you tried with NiMH perhaps (which are 1.2v)? I'd think it'd figure the batteries were empty even when they were newly charged.
godefroi said:
Energizer says it needs Lithium batteries (which I think are 1.7v), have you tried with NiMH perhaps (which are 1.2v)? I'd think it'd figure the batteries were empty even when they were newly charged.
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I've got standard Duracell 1.5V alkaline batteries in it right now, and it charges it just fine! I think energizer say that to make you buy their ridiculously expensive lithium batteries!!
The Atrix's default adapter in an 5v = .85A, while the Ipad's is 5v = 2.1A. Is it safe for the battery to use this charger? I also have been using the ipod charger on my atrix too, should i countinue to use the ipod charger or does that have negitive effects too, ipod charger is 5v = 1A
Atrix: 5v = .85A
Ipod/Iphone: 5v = 1A
Ipad: 5v = 2.1A
Typically, a device will only pull what it needs, amperage-wise. The ratings on power supplies are, to my knowledge, always indications of maximum amperage, not any form of 'forced' current. Thus, the only time you need to be worried is if it is lower than your device's required input. You should be fine with either.
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That's correct. I actually spent a lot time researching that kind of stuff because I use electronic cigarettes and finding chargers for them was difficult. Anyways, as long as it's 5V it should be fine. They actually make AC adapters that are iPad "compatible", meaning that they are just rated at 2.1A but it still works with the iPhone which the OP has stated uses a lower Amperage.
ian426 said:
Typically, a device will only pull what it needs, amperage-wise. The ratings on power supplies are, to my knowledge, always indications of maximum amperage, not any form of 'forced' current. Thus, the only time you need to be worried is if it is lower than your device's required input. You should be fine with either.
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Thank you, both of you.
Would it charge the same rate?
the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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I might have to double check that. There is a chance that there is some sort of limiting circuit between the wall and the charger for the Atrix... I am fairly certain at least laptops do so. I will see if I have a stronger charger and I will check the voltage across the leads in the atrix... if I can.
Its not voltage that you should be checking, voltage should be same in all usb chargers, about 5 volts, you should be checking amps
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Its not voltage that you should be checking, voltage should be same in all usb chargers, about 5 volts, you should be checking amps
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My mistake... realized that after I posted it.
Also -- I do not have any USB charger that is over one amp, so I cannot check this. If anyone has a mutineer and a more powerful charger, they could do so.
The important factor is the Voltage which is at 5V for both the iPad and Atrix chargers. Whether it is rated at 10W or 5W does not matter because that just reflects the capacity for the current. And the charger is "rated" at 2.1 meaning it can handle that current rather than meaning it will force it. The "draw" of current is decided by the phone itself, as long as the Voltage is identical, the other factors should not matter.
If you read the "Summary" here it will say that, with the iPad charger, you can charge an iPhone which is similar to the Atrix in charging specs:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4327
And here are a couple more links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZjRm8nkv9Q
http://munnecke.com/blog/?p=836
hlywine said:
the fact that a device will pull as much as it needs is true, but that is true only to the devices, appliances, and anything that is using the electricity, not storing it - which is the case with the battery. any electrical device uses only as much power as it needs. for example: a 55watt house light bulb will only use .5 amps, (110 volts AC) even though the circuit is wired for 15 amps max.
When it comes to cellphones, the cellphone is the device that uses the power and the battery stores the power. during charging, battery will try to pull as much in as you will give it, unless there is a limiting factor involved. a limiting factor can be a charger it self, which will supply 1.0 amps, .85 amp max, or what ever the case may be. also there may be a limiting factor built in to the phones circuitry it self that would allow only so much to go through ( i seriously doubt though)
By plugging in to 2.1A charger, the battery will try to intake all 2.1 amps,
Pro: you are charging the battery in half the time.
Con: if it doesn't destroy the battery right away, the lifespan of it and usefulness decreases dramatically.
This is called overcharging the battery, do some research on that and you will find out that overcharging the battery is never a good thing.
2.1A is not enough to destroy the battery right away, but if you would have plugged in 5 or 10 amp charger, it probably would, i'm just saying this to explain the concept.
I personally do use a 1.0A charger that i have left over from previous cellphone (touch pro 2) and your ipod charger should be ok too, but I wouldn't use anything bigger then that.
a small experiment that you can conduct which may or may not work. compare the temperatures of the battery/cellphone while it is charging on .85amp charger and 2.1amp, when it is on a bigger charger, it should get a lot hotter, and that is what destroys the battery.
As far as my knowledge goes, i have taken enough classes about electricity and electronics, and have been working in the field for several years, so i hope i was helpful enough and explained it in simple enough terms for everyone.
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thanks live4nyy, i never saw those before. with all the stuff described there, the only conclusion possible is that each device has its built in limiter on how much it will pull while charging, or apple figures that with a bigger charger your battery on ipod/iphone will still last you past the 1 year manufacturers warranty expiration date, but barely past that date, instead of lasting 3-5 years like its suppose to. what ever the case is with apple, i just hope we have a safety built in into our atrix phones. I guess the only way to find out is to actually check the amperage while its charging.
I'm almost positive that the lithium batteries in phones these days are "rated" for specific current and have built in circuits that dictates the "flow", which is also the same thing that causes the battery to go into a "trickle" charge when near capacity. Just for that there has to be some sort of "regulation" happening. See also here:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/question501.htm
But I agree, better safe than sorry. If you happen to have an iPad charger that you plan on using let me know how it goes. I'm curious as well.
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thanks live4nyy, i never saw those before. with all the stuff described there, the only conclusion possible is that each device has its built in limiter on how much it will pull while charging, or apple figures that with a bigger charger your battery on ipod/iphone will still last you past the 1 year manufacturers warranty expiration date, but barely past that date, instead of lasting 3-5 years like its suppose to. what ever the case is with apple, i just hope we have a safety built in into our atrix phones. I guess the only way to find out is to actually check the amperage while its charging.
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I'm looking for an external battery charger (preferably solar powered) for taking my Note on backpacking trips. Unfortunately, most of the solar packs that I've found have only .5 - .7 amps available for USB output. If I'm using a 1amp charging cable (with the data leads shorted), will .7 amps kick in the AC charging speed? Is .5 amps enough to charge the phone while I sleep for 7 hours?
I suppose it depends on how long you are out without power but another alternative is an external battery that allows you to charge your phone by plugging it into the external battery.
This one here (at $75 USD) will let you charge the Note from completely dead to a full complete charge 4.4 times.
http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-IMP...Z64Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1336084828&sr=8-2
So, if you started your backpacking with a full charge on both the phone and the battery pack, and assuming you charge the phone every night at say 20% battery left, you should get 6 days. If you need more than that, you can just buy a second battery pack (personally, Id want to have two just in case).
That's a good suggestion from littlewierdo. I would also have at least 2 spare batteries for the note. I don't think that .5 amps is enough.
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I'm looking for an external battery charger (preferably solar powered) for taking my Note on backpacking trips. Unfortunately, most of the solar packs that I've found have only .5 - .7 amps available for USB output. If I'm using a 1amp charging cable (with the data leads shorted), will .7 amps kick in the AC charging speed? Is .5 amps enough to charge the phone while I sleep for 7 hours?
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Budge I had an HTC evo 4g and got a 5400mah battery. This worked ok. However the output is .5a which will not charge the note if you are using maps with gps or bluetooth or playing tunes. It wil charge when not using those. Say at night when you are asleep. I think you would have to find a battery with output better than 1a to actually charge when you are actively using your phone. I am not sure of the actual output you would need. I will research it though for my own needs. I do use my note on my motorcyle with a charger which outputs .5a and this is nowhere near what is needed to use google maps and bluetooth and play tunes.
I am actively looking for a solution which will charge my note while using google maps, bluetooth, and playing tunes etc. I may have found a solution with a usb y cable which is connected a 2a source and a .5a source on my motorcycle.
The only solution for backpacking may be to charge when not using the note. I am fairly sure it will charge at .5a when sleeping.
Good luck.
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That's a good suggestion from littlewierdo. I would also have at least 2 spare batteries for the note. I don't think that .5 amps is enough.
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imesg said:
I am actively looking for a solution which will charge my note while using google maps, bluetooth, and playing tunes etc. I may have found a solution with a usb y cable which is connected a 2a source and a .5a source on my motorcycle.
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Im not sure where you got the .5 amps from, it outputs 1 amp, so it will charge the Note with the screen on. However, it wont charge quite as fast as the wall charger will it will actually charge the phone.
It should be able to handle keeping the screen on, bluetooth doesnt use much power at all so playing music shouldnt be an issue and gps uses very little battery as well. I dont see an issue with it.
Admittedly, I dont have one of these, dont really have much of a use for one at the moment but I cant possibly see any issues with this.
HOWEVER, there are alternative external battery packs that are MUCH cheaper with less mah capacity (meaning, in simple speak, you would get less power storage meaning that you wouldnt be able to charge your phone as many times as you might like). There are other USB battery packs that might also have less power output (or more) which might mean that you wouldnt be able to keep the screen on AND charge the phone.
Truth be told, I only looked for the highest capacity battery pack given what your situation was AND I tend to buy higher end if the price makes sense. In the case of battery packs similar to this design (external usb battery packs), they generally start at $30 and go to about $80 so buying the best possible makes sense. However, if the highest/best possible was $200, Id probably get something cheaper, but since its only ~$80, if I were in your shoes, that would be my choice.
Id probably consider getting two of them (that is, if we are talking about longer than 1 week excursions, if under a week, just get 1) and a decently long usb cable (3-4 ft) but not too long (you dont want to be tripping over the cable but you need it long enough that if you need to, you can charge the phone mid-day while hiking).
You dont need multiple batteries for the Note, the whole point of this external battery pack is to eliminate the need for them.
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Im not sure where you got the .5 amps from, it outputs 1 amp, so it will charge the Note with the screen on. However, it wont charge quite as fast as the wall charger will it will actually charge the phone.
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littlewierdo I was not necessarily speaking of the device you suggested but one I had. I was warning Budge to be careful and not get a device which outputs only .5a. I was suggesting that he find one which will put out 2a if such exists. The device which you suggested will put out 1a. However I don't believe this would be enough for my purposes and maybe no Budge's either. i was not refering to your device or you. Not my intent to get in an argument with you but to help Budge find a suitable solution.
link to imp1000 manual:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...sg=AFQjCNFPt8XfUpeSr8olPnKLYCivrRvqFg&cad=rja
Couldn't make the link post as a link. Do a search for 'imp1000 manual'.
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Littlewierdo- I didn't disagree with your suggestion to use another battery pack to charge the existing battery. In fact, I have one and use that option myself. I was adding that it may be a good idea to have a spare. I was responding to the OP who mentioned .5 amps. I assume that's where imesg was coming from, too.
Hey guys,,,,
Wanna ask something here...
I have an idea to buy a power bank/portable charger, instead of buy a spare battery.
But there are alot of choice, start from 2000mah-10000mah capacities, offerring 2-6 USB port.
Each product offered different USB port voltage and ampere.
For the example, each USB port supplying 5.3V / 5.0V and 1A / 2A / 0.8A....
Do you know which one match/compatible with our phone?
From what i remember from my physics class the should all be compatible. Cellphone battery is 4.3V, so it needs a power higher than that to be re-charged, a pc usb port usuall supplies power at 5V, whilst the A is the amount of energy let through, so the difference in A value impacts the speed at which the portable device recharges the phone battery. The same voltage carrying 1Ah reachrges the batter in half the time needed by one carrying it a 0.5A. Furthermore cell batteries have an internal chip which regulates the tension transmitted. The mAh is the total capacity of the recharging device (or toal amount of A it can store and supply over one h unit of time)
I think the the amperage of charger shouldn't be more 1.0 A. More amperage will charge the battery quickly, but will short his life.
so, I should go for 5V and something under 1.0A?
a product that nearly match those config was sanyo eneloop.
provided 2 USB port 5V and 0.5A or 2x for 1.0A.
physcodelic said:
so, I should go for 5V and something under 1.0A?
a product that nearly match those config was sanyo eneloop.
provided 2 USB port 5V and 0.5A or 2x for 1.0A.
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At spec of Sanyo Eneloop i see when you use only one of USB port and charge one device you will have charging output of 5V and 1A. When you use both ports you will have charging output of 5V and 0.5A (500mA).
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At spec of Sanyo Eneloop i see when you use only one of USB port and charge one device you will have charging output of 5V and 1A. When you use both ports you will have charging output of 5V and 0.5A (500mA).
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I see....
Thanks for the explanation...
Maybe I should go for Sanyo, cause the other products was made by some unknown/unfamiliar brand from chinese.
Better to choose a wellknown brand right?
That's because as i explained before Amperes is the amount of energy that passes through a conductor, if a device has max output of 1A if you use two ports it will obviously split down the tension output. Amperes have nothing to do with battery life, it's not gonna do anything if you charge them faster, what matters is tension (V) which is maintained constant by the chip within the battery itself which gives the battery the 4.25V constant it needs controlled also by the cellphones internal regulatory hw. Poli-ion batteries use an impulse charge system, it's not continuative, that's why constant regular tension is important, aamof recharging the cellphone from car charger does affect negatively battery life. Poli-ion batteries if left unused have a very slow discharge rate, 1% a month, nonetheless life is shortened by about 25% after 100 full cycles and another 25% after 3-4 years of life, and they have no memory effect, so it is always best not to let the battery discharge completely ...Go for better known brand, not for the quality of the product per say but for more guarantees on support and warranty claims
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That's because as i explained before Amperes is the amount of energy that passes through a conductor, if a device has max output of 1A if you use two ports it will obviously split down the tension output. Amperes have nothing to do with battery life, it's not gonna do anything if you charge them faster, what matters is tension (V) which is maintained constant by the chip within the battery itself which gives the battery the 4.25V constant it needs controlled also by the cellphones internal regulatory hw. Poli-ion batteries use an impulse charge system, it's not continuative, that's why constant regular tension is important, aamof recharging the cellphone from car charger does affect negatively battery life. Poli-ion batteries if left unused have a very slow discharge rate, 1% a month, nonetheless life is shortened by about 25% after 100 full cycles and another 25% after 3-4 years of life, and they have no memory effect, so it is always best not to let the battery discharge completely ...Go for better known brand, not for the quality of the product per say but for more guarantees on support and warranty claims
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I'am sorry if I can't understand your explanation fully...
So you mean higher Ampere output than original charger was safe, Am I right?
I bought already sanyo power bank, seems like a nice quality.
Charging time almost same like it was charged on PC USB port.
Thank for your complete explanation
tho I cant understand that completely (stupid me)
physcodelic said:
I see....
Thanks for the explanation...
Maybe I should go for Sanyo, cause the other products was made by some unknown/unfamiliar brand from chinese.
Better to choose a wellknown brand right?
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That is the best way. I was trying one solar charger, with included LiPo battery with 2600 mAh. The charger was with dimensions of an iphone and can charge included battery from sun and from regular USB charger. His price was something around 6-7 pounds. This kind - Portable-iphone-2600MAh-USB-Solar-Panel-Battery-Charger-for-Mobile-Phone-MP3-MP4 (search in ebay, because i'm a new user and can post links ). Included battery can keep charge for 1 full and one 70% charge of mi Xperia Mini Pro with standart 1160mAh battery. Hope this can help you. The advantages of sanyo charger is that, you can use regular AA battery that you can buy it from every where.
P.S. Sorry for my english. Hope you can understand me
your english was understandable bro
ahhh...a solar charger...will keep this in my mind.
traveling too much with smartphone will be easy with a solar charger
I know there is a thread about what charger to buy, but I have a specs question. Mine z5 came with the International charger and I am in the US. I noted it is 5v and 1.5a. I have a 5v 1a charger on hand. Can I use that?
Sure, it will just take longer to charge.
No lasting negative effects on the battery?
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No lasting negative effects on the battery?
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Most certainly no negative effects. In theory it should actually be better for the battery to charge it with less current, but I don't know if that is true.
Different topic: I read that there are multiple versions of the Z5 (US, Europe, ...) and that they support different LTE frequencies. So maybe you want to check if your mobile connection works as intended, if you don't have the US version.
My phone is showing LTE after choosing my apn settings.
I tried using a 5V 1A charger with my phone and it doesnt seem to work. (It works fine on my old phone) The charge light keeps turning on and off. The vibration pulse you hear when it starts charging keeps pulsing too.
Better use an HIGHER amperage, than lower!! Charger will adapte it to phone specifics...A lower amperage will reduce your battery capacity in long time.
I once connected my Z5C to an old 500mA charger (caught the wrong cable) and kept using it a bit (screen on, etc.) and it gave me a nag screen that said that the charger is not suitable because apparently the battery drain from usage was more than what trickled back in.
However, if left alone even a 500mA charger should eventually charge the phone, taking much longer though.
Generally, with chargers, you need to get the voltage right. If the Amperage is higher that what the OEM charger is it does not matter. The electronics in the device limit the charge to what the device can handle. The Amperage on the charger is the max it can deliver. In other words, the charger does not pump 2.5A into the phone forcefully, the phone just nibbles whatever it can take (say 1,5A).
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Better use an HIGHER amperage, than lower!! Charger will adapte it to phone specifics...A lower amperage will reduce your battery capacity in long time.
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Any reliable source for that? The charging will be slower - yes, but I seriously doubt, that this has negative long-term effects on the capacity.
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Any reliable source for that? The charging will be slower - yes, but I seriously doubt, that this has negative long-term effects on the capacity.
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Just try it by yourself for few days
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I think you need a 2A charger to be sure with the Z5c. Most of my older chargers take hours to charge it, and the car USB port (Nissan Qashqai 2015) barely charges it at all.
The UCH20 that came with the phone, takes 2 hours 15 mins to charge the phone fully. I got a quick charger which takes around 1 hour and 10 mins at max
Wow, really?
It is basic electronics. The voltage must be the exact one. Amperage is what the device draws , therefore the charger must be capable to provide a minimum not a maximum.
I repeat, it is basic electronics!
Now a more pertinent question :
What are the voltages for quick charge ? Does anyone know?
If someone has a original charger with quick charge can you please state what voltages are written on it?
Should be 2 or 3 voltages with lowest 5V
Edit : Found myself the info on Sony UK website of a Sony charger.
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Better use an HIGHER amperage, than lower!! Charger will adapte it to phone specifics...A lower amperage will reduce your battery capacity in long time.
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I also want a source for that... It's the first time in my life i hear it's the opposite... and i have been charging this phone with 1 amp or 500mA (with pc usb) for the past 4 years, battery is still fine. Only used a 1.5A charger a few times.
On the other hand, my sisters z5 had a swollen battery a year ago, she always used quick chargers...
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Just try it by yourself for few days
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What do you mean by that?
you are not going to notice battery degradation in just a few days of charging...
EDIT: i only notice now that i accidentally replied to a post from years ago, sorry for that...