I want to get a protector for my Prime, any input on which methods is better, ie. lasts longer and better protection?
And by Skinimi I mean Skinomi..
My last Skinomi on my phone ended up peeling off, but fwiw the skin seemed very durable and strong. Almost like a thin plastic cover. I could still dock my phone with the skin on.
I like the metal finish, so no skinomi for me this round.
I've used several skins (zagg, skintech, skinomi). I like the skinomis better than the others. Just get the screen cover, not the full jacket. Installing has always been easy and I've only experience problems when dust gets under the corners, like on my epic 4g after I've taken it in and out of my pocket a million times. I can't imagine with the prime it's going to get much dust under the corners. I think it makes the screen touch feel better as well, and then you never have to worry what you wipe the screen with. The dry covers to me, add a strange thickness and change the optics of viewing the screen... Just my 10 cents!
Thanks for the info guys!! Really I am will to take anything at the moment because there is nothing in Canada yet!!!
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I really like my skinomi screen protector. Pretty nice feel, not too much of a difference if any in sensitivity. Its as close to invisible as I figure it will get. The bubbles were also impressive, because they sort of "breathed" out of the skin. It was odd to see considerable bubbles disappear in hours.
I was gonna put my skinomi protector on but I stuck with just the skin because my prime is usually in the dock so the chances of scratching in the dock are very unlikely
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I have both the skinomi carbon fiber skin and the wet-application screen protector on mine, both are fantastic.
Putting the vinyl back and tiny pieces on is soooo much easier with a heat gun! A really hot hair dryer would probably suffice, but you will need one or the other.
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I want a clear screen protector too and I wouldn't mind having something clear for the back but I don't want it messing up if I eventually get the dock. So the Skinomi is one of the best. I found cheaper ones on Amazon like 3 for 8.99 and I found this one 2-Pack Stealth Shieldz© ASUS eee Pad TRANSFORMER PRIME TF201 Screen Protector LIFETIME WARRANTY (Ultra CLEAR) for 14.99 and you get two. I want whatever will be easy for him to put on and what will look the most invisible and still be able to have good touch sensitivity. Should I put a clear skin on the back too? Does Skinomi sell a combo pack with both in it? Thanks!
Has anyone had any experience with the Skinomi full-body protector and the TF Prime keyboard dock?
I want to get a skin for the back of the tablet mainly to prevent fingerprints (this thing is a fingerprint factory) but I also have the keyboard dock and I don't want to shell out for a skin if the dock is just gonna scrape it off.
Is there any further word on the updated full body skins from Skinomi? If I recall correctly someone posted that Skinomi is going to come out with a version that has a cutout at the bottom so it doesn't interfere with docking.
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Has anyone had any experience with the Skinomi full-body protector and the TF Prime keyboard dock?
I want to get a skin for the back of the tablet mainly to prevent fingerprints (this thing is a fingerprint factory) but I also have the keyboard dock and I don't want to shell out for a skin if the dock is just gonna scrape it off.
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I have applied the Skinomi carbon fiber Design Skin on the back of the Prime (did not install the TechSkin screen protector), and so far have not noticed any problems with the skin being scraped or loosened by inserting the Prime in the keyboard dock. I like the texture and additional grip that the carbon fiber skin provides, as well as reducing the "coldness" of the bare aluminum back.
Note: I've only had the Skinomi skin on for a few days, so will update this response if I notice any issues.
I just want a clear skin for the back and a protector for the front. Not sure what to order still. I may eventually get the dock too. But the back of mine is always cold.
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I have applied the Skinomi carbon fiber Design Skin on the back of the Prime (did not install the TechSkin screen protector), and so far have not noticed any problems with the skin being scraped or loosened by inserting the Prime in the keyboard dock. I like the texture and additional grip that the carbon fiber skin provides, as well as reducing the "coldness" of the bare aluminum back.
Note: I've only had the Skinomi skin on for a few days, so will update this response if I notice any issues.
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I have applied the Skinomi carbon fiber Design Skin on the back of the Prime (did not install the TechSkin screen protector), and so far have not noticed any problems with the skin being scraped or loosened by inserting the Prime in the keyboard dock. I like the texture and additional grip that the carbon fiber skin provides, as well as reducing the "coldness" of the bare aluminum back.
Note: I've only had the Skinomi skin on for a few days, so will update this response if I notice any issues.
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Thanks! Keep us updated
I didn't get a chance to read this forum so i ended up damaging the front screen protector when i dock it to the keyboard. I already contact skinomi about it and they reply back :
We would like to apologize for any inconvenience. Our design team is in the midst of correcting this issue. The moment we have corrected this design we will be sending you a new revamped screen/skin protector. If you have anymore questions or concerns please feel free to contact our customer service department. Have a great day!.
So i guess i'll update my post when they do send me or contact me about a new replacement.
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Hey guys, just received my skinomi tablet skin and screen protector today. I've only see pics of the carbon fiber one posted on this forum so I decided to share pics of the brushed steel one. I only have the backplate skin pictures since the screen protector looks horrendous right now (bubbles and stuff, which takes a couple days to form a proper seal).
Pics with keyboard dock in page 3.
Does anyone else see the irony in covering a spun steel look with a brushed steel look?
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Does anyone else see the irony in covering a spun steel look with a brushed steel look?
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That's the point Sir. I like the steel look on the prime, but I don't want the stock steel backplate to get scratched.
So besides your irrelevant question, what do you think?
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That's the point Sir. I like the steel look on the prime, but I don't want the stock steel backplate to get scratched.
So besides your irrelevant question, what do you think?
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I have been strongly considering getting the Skinomi clear skin for this very reason. I love the color of my Amethyst Grey tablet, but the spun steel collects fingerprints like crazy.
Do you have the dock? If you have, how does the skin fit with it?
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I have been strongly considering getting the Skinomi clear skin for this very reason. I love the color of my Amethyst Grey tablet, but the spun steel collects fingerprints like crazy.
Do you have the dock? If you have, how does the skin fit with it?
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Yea I was debating that, but I don't regret my choice. The brushed steel gives it a unique look, while at the same time keeping the professional stock look of the tablet.
I ordered the keyboard dock through BB but it hasn't arrived yet. I will update you whenever it does
I have never used a skin to cover a backplate or skinomi for that matter.
What is the process for removing this thing? Does it end up ruining the backplate with sticky goo if you try to removed it?
thanks for the help.
oasis9389 said:
I have never used a skin to cover a backplate or skinomi for that matter.
What is the process for removing this thing? Does it end up ruining the backplate with sticky goo if you try to removed it?
thanks for the help.
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I am pretty sure that Skinomi's DryTech skins come off cleanly with no residue. I have used similar skins from other retailers (DecalGirl) and they all came off very cleanly.
Here is a video review of the Carbon Fiber style skin being used on a Macbook, and the reviewer demonstrates that is comes over very cleanly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yc1GAxzJX4
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I am pretty sure that Skinomi's DryTech skins come off cleanly with no residue. I have used similar skins from other retailers (DecalGirl) and they all came off very cleanly.
Here is a video review of the Carbon Fiber style skin being used on a Macbook, and the reviewer demonstrates that is comes over very cleanly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yc1GAxzJX4
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next question.. do any retailers sell these? or is my only option to buy it online and wait?
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That's the point Sir. I like the steel look on the prime, but I don't want the stock steel backplate to get scratched.
So besides your irrelevant question, what do you think?
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I wouldn't say it was irrelevant, but you're entitled to your opinion.
I think that the look of anything but the clear skin just makes the back look tacky. Not so much because of the skin choice, but because the cuts are not 100% accurate. I just can't bring myself to get one because of this.
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I wouldn't say it was irrelevant, but you're entitled to your opinion.
I think that the look of anything but the clear skin just makes the back look tacky. Not so much because of the skin choice, but because the cuts are not 100% accurate. I just can't bring myself to get one because of this.
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I want the carbon fiber skin but I'm hesitant because I've seen pictures where it looks almost perfect and others where it looks like crap. I definitely want a skin just not sure if I should get clear or carbon fiber.
I've used a skinomi on my phone before and it really is very strong in terms of protection.
However, since they are not permanent they eventually peel off, depending on how you handle the thing, of course. Constantly moving my phone in and out of my pocket inevitably led it to catch a thread and begin the peeling process.
With a tablet it may be different. I have a netbook bag I use (my wife calls it my man purse ) so it may still face the same dangers of getting caught on my bag fabric and peel off...
As far as the dock, the tablet is pretty snug in it, so I also wonder if the skinomi is thin enough to not bend the connector too much out of place.
The screen protector is top notch though. Took about a week for the bubbles to go away, but it's so nice.
Isn't it gorilla glass? I would never put a screen protector in it, unless fingerprints are much of a concern (SOME protectors do help with that).
However, I really would like to find a quality clear skin for the back. Does the dock have rubber feet? If not, I can see it will get scratched, badly.
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Isn't it gorilla glass? I would never put a screen protector in it, unless fingerprints are much of a concern (SOME protectors do help with that).
However, I really would like to find a quality clear skin for the back. Does the dock have rubber feet? If not, I can see it will get scratched, badly.
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sounds like you need a skin for your skin
RipplingHurst said:
Isn't it gorilla glass? I would never put a screen protector in it, unless fingerprints are much of a concern (SOME protectors do help with that).
However, I really would like to find a quality clear skin for the back. Does the dock have rubber feet? If not, I can see it will get scratched, badly.
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The dock does have rubber feet.
RipplingHurst said:
Isn't it gorilla glass? I would never put a screen protector in it, unless fingerprints are much of a concern (SOME protectors do help with that).
However, I really would like to find a quality clear skin for the back. Does the dock have rubber feet? If not, I can see it will get scratched, badly.
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That is why I made sure it was a clear screen protector. I got it because the product comes with the screen protector and backplate protector. I didn't like how my fingers dragged on the stock screen and how it attracted so much finger prints. I'm loving the screen protector because it eliminates that and feels very smooth. Also, it doesn't change the screen quality one bit . If you get one of those matte finish anti-glare screen protectors then that would be different..
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I want the carbon fiber skin but I'm hesitant because I've seen pictures where it looks almost perfect and others where it looks like crap. I definitely want a skin just not sure if I should get clear or carbon fiber.
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Here's my Prime with Skinomi Carbon fiber full body screen protector.
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Here's my Prime with Skinomi Carbon fiber full body screen protector.
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Looks kind of thick around the edges...
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Looks kind of thick around the edges...
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lol yeah well it's one way to protect the corners. I only put that on when I let my daughter play with it.
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Do you have the dock? If you have, how does the skin fit with it?
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I have the Skinomi carbon-fiber skin on the back of the Prime, and have noticed no problems with the fit in the keyboard dock. No scuffs or lifts on the Skinomi skin after putting it in and out of the dock multiple times.
Does you screen protector bunch up when docking and look awful when you take it out?
It seems like this is a fairly common problem with the heavy duty screen protectors like Zagg Invisible Shield and Ghost Armor.
Well I stumbled on a solution posted by "insane111". It can be hard to find and I think it deserves its own thread, but I don't take any credit for it.
The Solution:
- If you look inside the dock, you see that at the top of both the front and back part have a padded sticker. This is the problem for the screen protectors.
(Mine was all bent on both sides of the front one, gunking up my brand new Zagg)
- What you can do is remove the front sticker where the screen goes and use alcohol to remove the remaining residue. (Hopefully your screen protector isn't as far gone as mine was. I'm still cleaning crap from UNDER the Zagg between the skin and the prime)
- Once you do that your good to go. Your prime should slide in and out with ease.
- I'm not sure if this would work with the back protectors, but I assume it would. Maybe someone who wants to try it will post.
Be sure to stop by and thank insane111 for offering this up to the community.
wow no replies, I thought this would be epic. Guess the info is floating around out there though.
Thanks for this post! I will try to remove both sets of padding from the keyboard dock as I want to try the carbon fiber di-noc on the tablet. Cheers!
Just got an email this morning. BSE finaly made some skins for the prime. I already got the skinomi, but I will probably order a set of these. Great skin, had a couple sets for my iPad 1 and 2. And it still looks great after a year of use. email below with link
Hello,
Thank you for your interest in Best Skins Ever. We are proud to announce that we are now accepting orders for the Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime TF201 Skins with shipments beginning immediately! This is no wussy screen protector. It is the ultimate in undetectable scratch defense covering your new device without changing its size, or more importantly, its look.
The Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime TF201 Skins will be available for a special low introductory price for a short time.
You can find the new Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime TF201 Skins at the following link: http://www.bestskinsever.com/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-tf201-skin
Be sure to pass this on to your friends on your favorite message boards and blogs. Thank you for your interest and continued support. We look forward to protecting your stuff well into the future.
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Does anyone have any experience with these skins?
How do they feel and how durable are they?
I like that the back is all one piece (unlike the Skinomi) and that it fully surrounds the speaker which seems like an area where my Skinomi will eventually peel up (sharp corners = no no) but I don't want a screen protector that I can detect. If their screen protectors are similar to the SGP Ultra Crystal series though I might be convinced to pick one up.
From past experience, I believe its an invisible shield kind of feel to their screen protector too.
Anyone have more recent experience please correct me if I am wrong
I would buy one to replace my skinomi in a heartbeat as I had a lot of troubles with skinomi's separate side/edge pieces. But alas, it does not have a cut out for the dock, and this is a necessity for me.
Were they to make one with a cutout though...
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BSE is the BEST SKINS EVER. Don't hesitate to buy from them, ever! Half the price of Zagg and twice the quality.
irishtexmex said:
I would buy one to replace my skinomi in a heartbeat as I had a lot of troubles with skinomi's separate side/edge pieces. But alas, it does not have a cut out for the dock, and this is a necessity for me.
Were they to make one with a cutout though...
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Do you really need a cutout for the Dock? I have a clear Skinomi skin on the back of my TF Prime and I use it with the keyboard dock all the time with no problems? The only slight issue is that the foam pad inside the dock leaves an imprint on the skin, however it fades a few minutes after taking the tablet out of the dock.
I would recommend Best Skins Ever also. I kept checking their site for Prime versions...but up until a few days ago, there was no application available.
Got the Xtreme skin protector from eBay which is not great. Once applied, the Xtreme version is somewhat sticky (even though I tried invisishield spray...might try some wax next...front screen protector has dark cuts from being squeegeed out from applying - ordered dry application screen protectors).
Would definitely go with Best Skins. No problems so far on my HTC Sensation (since 9/2011) and wifey's ipad 2 (back only since it came out last year).
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Do you really need a cutout for the Dock? I have a clear Skinomi skin on the back of my TF Prime and I use it with the keyboard dock all the time with no problems? The only slight issue is that the foam pad inside the dock leaves an imprint on the skin, however it fades a few minutes after taking the tablet out of the dock.
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Yes, because I use a matte screen protector on the front and it is distinguishably thicker than a regular, glossy screen protector. :-\ Otherwise it'd be no problem.
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used it in the past, its the same quality as InvisibleShield. just a lot cheaper. i wonder if they are going to make a skin for the keyboard dock also
How hard is it to apply? I've driven myself crazy trying to apply some screen protectors. The main problem is soon as I get done clearing out all the dust/particles then seconds later more dust/particles plop right back on to the screen. I REFUSE to lay down the screen protector on any dust and I just can't find how to do this without ANY dust anywhere. It's just all over. Seems like I need operating room environment.
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How hard is it to apply? I've driven myself crazy trying to apply some screen protectors. The main problem is soon as I get done clearing out all the dust/particles then seconds later more dust/particles plop right back on to the screen. I REFUSE to lay down the screen protector on any dust and I just can't find how to do this without ANY dust anywhere. It's just all over. Seems like I need operating room environment.
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do it in the bathroom, but steam up the room with running hot water from your sink and tub for maybe a good 20-30 minutes, then start applying it.
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do it in the bathroom, but steam up the room with running hot water from your sink and tub for maybe a good 20-30 minutes, then start applying it.
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Wow, i never thought of this. That would take care of the dust and probably make it easier to install anyway. Nice......I'll give it a try!
opentoe said:
Wow, i never thought of this. That would take care of the dust and probably make it easier to install anyway. Nice......I'll give it a try!
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NP! good luck and post back with results!
Quick question, if I just get the "body skin", that means I'm getting the back protector right? I'm only interested in back protection, as I prefer the traditional stiff glossy protectors for my screens.
I already have the Xtreme protector, but it doesn't protect the back bezel, which is a no no for me.
Thanks in advance
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Quick question, if I just get the "body skin", that means I'm getting the back protector right? I'm only interested in back protection, as I prefer the traditional stiff glossy protectors for my screens.
I already have the Xtreme protector, but it doesn't protect the back bezel, which is a no no for me.
Thanks in advance
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yeah, the body skin is just the back of the tablet. but pay 2 bux more and u can get both ;p. also they have a 20% off now
Anyone try out the body skin with the keyboard dock yet? Already have some small scratches on the back of my tablet.
I'm running with a skinomi full skin until after I RMA. (no issues with the dock^)
I ordered the full body version from BSE though. I must say there are a few things I like better about the cutouts.
On the screen, the skinomi has a cutout for the camera, and the light sensor. The BSE only has a cutout for the camera. In my opinion this is better as the other one isnt necessary.
Also, instead of two holes for the camera and flash on the back its one figure 8 shaped hole.
The skinomi also has a cutout for the Asus logo. The BSE is one solid piece. No cutout for the logo.
And finally, the skinomi has little side pieces. The BSE the back and sides are all one piece. The back curls around to the sides.
Thats all I've got... I think this one is a better design over the zagg and skinomi skins.
UPDATE
Best skins ever just released dock compatible versions of everything and a total body skin which includes a skin for the dock. They have it on special since its just released.
Ordered the total body kit for $23.16 + shipping
Just bought the full skin for my Prime and Maxx.
I am mainly concerned about fingerprints and smoothness of the operation. Clarity is an important factor also so appears matte finish isn't what I'm looking for since you have that moire over text and such. What would be the optimal screen protector?
Skinomi. Awesome and very easy to apply. They also have the best customer service support!
I actually messed up while applying my screen protector and they sent me a new kit within 2 business days.
Where to get it: Amazon, nuff said.
Thanks for the tip. I think I'm going to try something cheapo like this just so my mother can see if she can live with a matte finish for about a week.
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Glare-Sc...sformer/dp/tech-data/B005OUE8R2/ref=de_a_smtd
If she finds she can I will find a good high product one.. if not I will go straight with Skinomi most likely than. But I think buying a cheap matte one so she can experience and anti-glare, anti-fingerprint (most critical is fingerprint reduction) than she can make an intelligent decision without blowing $15 just to find she does not like it.
I tried the Zagg and it was a disaster. Application was messy and I personally didn't like the grippy feel. I just got my BodyGuardz put on a couple days ago though and I love it. I bought the combo carbon fiber skin/HD anti-glare screen protector and it's fantastic. Nice feel and definitely cuts down on glare and fingerprints.
Also, if you find them on facebook and post "BodyGuardz Me!" on their wall, they'll send you a 30% off coupon code.
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Skinomi wet-apply screen protectors are pretty easy to apply, however they are grippy (like the Zagg's) and 'soft' as in an your fingernail can easily and accidentally leave an indent on the screen protector. It feels almost too soft, where things that leave an indent on the screen protector would never even damage the Gorilla Glass underneath.
Good thing is because it is soft like rubber, most indents un-indent themselves after a while.
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got my screen protector for my Asus Eee Pad made by http://secondshells.com/screen-prot...n-protector-anti-glare-anti-finger-print.html I ordered the anti-glare screen protectors through SecondShells. I have used simply because the touch screen did not lose any sensitivity after I applied it.
The protector had a nice rectangular notch cutout for the camera and for the light sensor(I think that's what it is), I had purchased other protectors and they had these small circular holes, you had to be perfect to install it right, this larger opening made my life a lot easier. Overall very easy to apply, a peel and stick type of protector, with protective covers.. I am very happy. I also recommend getting a stylus like the nano fiber stylus I also ordered from SecondShells responds great with my tablet. http://secondshells.com/touch-stylu...n-with-nano-fabric-retractable-tip-black.html
The Skinomi is nice. Just installed it today. It doesn't reduce glare but the touch is nice. I only wish it were oleophobic...
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I installed the Ghost Armor clear front an back on mine and love it. It is a little bit grippy, but no where near as bad as Zagg, which I can't stand!! Ordered mine direct from them for less than $35 shipped. Install is your standard wet install which is super easy in my opinion. Clarity is great and does NOT have the orange peel look like Zagg does. The full body kit comes with front, back, and even pieces to cover the sides. True full body protection!!! They offer many different colors for the back including carbon fiber. http://www.ghost-armor.com/Asus/743.html
I've never been able to get the wet app to work successfully. That's why I chose the dry application secondshells offers.
Just checking the Ultimate list up there on the first page, I notice that the TF101 is listed, but not the TF201. Is it possible to use the 101 screen protector for the TFP?
Would any harm come of it if I did? Does anyone have any recommendations on a dry application screen protector?
I was also wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a case similar to the fabric of the Ipad's magnetic "easy" cover or whatever it is called. I purchased this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063Q3G3I/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i01
But my only problem with it is the bulk and how much space it takes up when attempting to prop it up.
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Just checking the Ultimate list up there on the first page, I notice that the TF101 is listed, but not the TF201. Is it possible to use the 101 screen protector for the TFP?
Would any harm come of it if I did? Does anyone have any recommendations on a dry application screen protector?
I was also wondering if anyone had any recommendations for a case similar to the fabric of the Ipad's magnetic "easy" cover or whatever it is called. I purchased this on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0063Q3G3I/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i01
But my only problem with it is the bulk and how much space it takes up when attempting to prop it up.
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The original Transformer and the Prime have different sized screens, also the cameras and light sensors are in different places on the two tablets. I don't think you would damage your tablet by applying a non-fitting screen protector, but it probably won't look good and it might peel off easier than it otherwise would have. Plenty of companies make screen protectors for the Prime but most of them have a rubbery feeling. If you don't mind the rubbery feel I would suggest the Skinomi screen protector.
This case:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sikai-ASUS-...ccessories&hash=item27c5a15016#ht_7226wt_1344
is made from a material that is very similar to the iPad smart cover. It also has a loop to hold a stylus, and the cover stays closed magnetically. This case is also super-thin. The thinnest I have found so far.
Ghost Armor makes a great screen protector for the Prime. I'm using their clear full body on mine and I couldn't be happier with it!!
Not really any thin cases out there for us yet, though I hope that changes because I'd love one. There is a thread in this section where a member is attempting to produce some hard, thin, snap-on cases. He has a prototype already and I hope he gets them produced here soon as I'll buy one immediately and I know many others will too.
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I ended up trying three different screen protectors (due to different factors), the last being the ACase Screen protector.
Comes three in a pack, fits perfectly, dry apply. Looks GREAT! You really need to look very close to even know that it's on, and it's thin enough to slip in the keyboard dock without any interference.
Highly recommended.
Is Skinomi dry apply or wet? When I initially take it off the sheet that is given, it feels like a dry apply, but I don't understand why they give you that liquid. If it is wet apply, than I do understand. I just don't think I am either doing the wet apply right, or wet apply just straight up sucks. :\
Also, thanks so far for your help guys. I did order the sikai case, we will see how I like it when it gets here. Too bad they don't ship through Amazon, as I would have definitely liked to go through there rather than ebay.