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Hey there XDA.
i'm in the IT department for a big-time company, and we (obviously) have specific security parameters on our network.
Recently, with all of the talk about android tablets because of CES and other factors (i personally own a Viewsonic G-Tablet running VEGAn 5.1b) the team and i have come to wonder if we would be able to put an android tablet onto the domain the same way we would a regular old Windows PC/Laptop or a Blackberry phone onto the exchange server.
We use Citrix clients/servers as well as pc/laptops, and so far, as i've been scouring the market, i've been able to find a Citrix app, and a Wyse terminal app, which could be used to open VPN sessions on the server, as well as another app which allows an android device to be connected completely with Microsoft Exchange Server. ( touchdown http://www.nitrodesk.com/TouchDown.aspx )
So, i figured, where else would i go but here, to the most well versed android development website on the interwebs, to ask if you guys might know of anything at all, or if something could be done.
Any ideas?
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Hi,
I'm kind of unclear about what you're looking for, from your post, I guess because there could be any number of interpretations, e.g.:
- Are you asking if an Android device could be joined to your Windows domain?
- Are you asking if you can "see" shares on your Windows machines from Android?
- Are you asking if you can RDP to a Windows machine from Android?
- Etc.?
Probably (I think) #1 above is "no", at least as far as I can see now (plus I don't know if it'd make sense).
The answer to the 2nd and 3rd are "yes".
For #2, either you can use something like ES File Explorer, or you can use CIFS Manager on an Android machine that has CIFS support.
For #3, Pocketcloud can do that (the one from Wyse), and there are a few more.
Jim
jimcpl said:
Hi,
I'm kind of unclear about what you're looking for, from your post, I guess because there could be any number of interpretations, e.g.:
- Are you asking if an Android device could be joined to your Windows domain?
- Are you asking if you can "see" shares on your Windows machines from Android?
- Are you asking if you can RDP to a Windows machine from Android?
- Etc.?
Probably (I think) #1 above is "no", at least as far as I can see now (plus I don't know if it'd make sense).
The answer to the 2nd and 3rd are "yes".
For #2, either you can use something like ES File Explorer, or you can use CIFS Manager on an Android machine that has CIFS support.
For #3, Pocketcloud can do that (the one from Wyse), and there are a few more.
Jim
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Thanks for the reply, and yes i was looking to concentrate more around number 1. If number 1 were to be solved, number 2 would end up working out perfectly, with no security risks (becuase the shared files are only available to domain devices or thin clients using the VPN/RDP services we have setup). I guess looking at it from another angle, we would probably be able to (theoretically) limit a user's access capabilities on the tablet so that a general user could still be able to access the file shares using VPN without creating a security risk...
as you can see i currently have a whole lot running around in my head, and i'm not even sure if i'm mkaing it sound like english... T_T
I use my Zpad for work, the business apps I use:
Touchdown (for exchange, would like spell checker though)
File Expert (access shares)
Xtralogic Remote Desktop (works VERY well, better than PocketCloud and worth the $25)
mortician10101 said:
Thanks for the reply, and yes i was looking to concentrate more around number 1. If number 1 were to be solved, number 2 would end up working out perfectly, with no security risks (becuase the shared files are only available to domain devices or thin clients using the VPN/RDP services we have setup). I guess looking at it from another angle, we would probably be able to (theoretically) limit a user's access capabilities on the tablet so that a general user could still be able to access the file shares using VPN without creating a security risk...
as you can see i currently have a whole lot running around in my head, and i'm not even sure if i'm mkaing it sound like english... T_T
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It sounds like you're looking for something like PAM authentication capability from the Gtab. I know that there are products that do that for *nix, but I'm not aware of anything specifically for Android. Then again I think that there are public domain implementations, so it might be possible. Sorry that I can't be more help ...
Jim
mortician10101 said:
Hey there XDA.
i'm in the IT department for a big-time company, and we (obviously) have specific security parameters on our network.
Recently, with all of the talk about android tablets because of CES and other factors (i personally own a Viewsonic G-Tablet running VEGAn 5.1b) the team and i have come to wonder if we would be able to put an android tablet onto the domain the same way we would a regular old Windows PC/Laptop or a Blackberry phone onto the exchange server.
We use Citrix clients/servers as well as pc/laptops, and so far, as i've been scouring the market, i've been able to find a Citrix app, and a Wyse terminal app, which could be used to open VPN sessions on the server, as well as another app which allows an android device to be connected completely with Microsoft Exchange Server. ( touchdown http://www.nitrodesk.com/TouchDown.aspx )
So, i figured, where else would i go but here, to the most well versed android development website on the interwebs, to ask if you guys might know of anything at all, or if something could be done.
Any ideas?
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Did you ever figure out anything more on this? We are looking at the same thing right now, and it'd be great if you found any more info out
Hey XDA -
So this will be my first upgrade from using Sprint's HTC TP2 for the past year - it was a great phone and will continue to use it as a wifi router thanks to the nice ROM makers over at PPCgeeks. I am going to miss the stylus
Now my questions :
1. I've never used an android OS - is there a recommended "finger-friendly" Remote Desktop Application that will allow me to access my home pc laptop (windows xp pro)? - I am trying to launch a review course software from my mobile phone that requires Java Runtime Environment for Windows (which is installed on my laptop).
I'm a medical student trying to use my paid subscription to usmleworld.com board review questions. It's such a hassle to be always tied down to a laptop. So I am hoping I will be able to have better results on a faster phone and larger display as compared to my HTC-TP2 which was really choppy when trying to remote-desktop.
2. My contacts on my TP2 is via Windows Mobile 6.5OS and saved through "PIM Backup" - Is there a way I can transfer my contacts from this application to the Android OS?
3. I don't have an HDMI TV or HDMI ready Monitor. I have an external LCD VGA monitor. Was there anything I could connect to that with that so that I can get the HD Station to work?
* At this point, I am not sure if I am going to unlock/root anything as this is my first time using the OS. It took me many months to actually flash my TP2 and try a few ROMs but I love the features - mainly the wifi router options.
4. I've heard stories of android malware being pumped out - How can I prevent any malicious software from being installed on this phone? Is there an official market website apart from accessing the phone itself? Do you use antivirus/malware software for this device?
I picked up LogMeIn Ignition from the Amazon Market when it was on sale this past weekend (still $15). I was wondering if anyone had experience using it over webtop. I have heard some folks using the web app via Firefox in webtop just fine.
Getting a laptop dock for Christmas and have never used webtop before. Excited to give it a try.
FYI the laptop docks are on sale at AT&T, 99bucks new and 75 for a refurb.
If you're using the webtop you can use Logmein through the browser and don't need an app.
I haven't tried it so I'm not sure how the performance is, but that's how I'd do it.
Yeah that's what I've been reading as well. I might have to break out the HDMI cord and see for myself before the laptopdock gets here.
Please update and let us know how this works. i have the mobile app and use it all the time for several computers. I have a lapdock on the way and was wondering how well it worked or if i was going to have to use the browser version. Thanks for testing this.
Looks like Ignition via WebTop is a No-go
Well I gave LogMeIn Ignition a shot on webtop (via HDMI) and there are a couple of reasons I believe everyone will stick with the browser log-in version.
1. Mouse controls are very hinkey - even if you toggle the settings it's difficult to click anything (I was using my phone as the mouse, but I think results would be similar with a physical mouse or the laptopdock trackpad.
2. The resolution is cruddy, and the resolution controls in ignition didnt do anything for me.
Well there's our answer - for now. If anyone tries this on their laptopdock before I get mine please let us know how your experience is.
You could've picked up Team Viewer for free & the service is free on your PC also, it does everything that LMI does but free (for non commercial use)......PLUS it works for Linux
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You could've picked up Team Viewer for free & the service is free on your PC also, it does everything that LMI does but free (for non commercial use)......PLUS it works for Linux
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+1 Actually, TV does much more than LMI free. File Transfer for one, which I HAVE to have.
Has anyone used TeamViewer with just hdmi mirroring (Not LapDock)? Right now the smoothest and quickest way I've been getting Remote Control is just using Ignition directly on the phone...since it seems to be the least laggy and more precise when navigating. The next best is using the hotspot to my net-book and java web interface logmein. But that's a hassle because I have to undo my static IP settings on my net-book every time to get it work correctly with hotspot. Maybe TeamViewer via hdmi would be a quicker solution?
Would have to set up TeamViewer on quite a few computers just to try it...so who's tried them all?
Thanks
-Josh-
Googling around I see the original Transformer can do a remote desktop with a Windows computer. So I ask...
How good is it? Is it very choppy or smooth like you are really on that other computer?
And do you have to be on your home network to access it or can you be somewhere else and access your home computers on the internet?
I'm wondering this just because I'm not 100% sure this could be a good laptop replacement, but I could just access my Windows 7 desktop on it and it work well, I'm getting the Prime ASAP.
I think Splashtop, from what I've read, is what you want. Supposedly the best and fastest. I believe as long as home pc connected to Internet, you can access it anywhere from prime as long as it has a good connection also. Get splash top HD for android tablet. Then get free splash top program for pc. Supposedly a very easy setup, basically one click n you good to go. The prime client will automatically find the pc version and connect.
it's fine depending on what you want to do with it.
not fast or 1:1 mapped well enough to play most games, but to access files, even use productivity apps to a degree (i've made small changes to illustrator files) is pretty handy.
Sounds good. I won't be playing any games or anything like that, just want it for MS Office mainly and some other programs that won't be available on Android.
The laptop I have now if still perfectly functional and works great but I love the portability of the Prime. If I could just leave this laptop on a desk and use my Prime to access it whenever I need that would be perfect.
I'm so getting this now, can't wait.
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Sounds good. I won't be playing any games or anything like that, just want it for MS Office mainly and some other programs that won't be available on Android.
The laptop I have now if still perfectly functional and works great but I love the portability of the Prime. If I could just leave this laptop on a desk and use my Prime to access it whenever I need that would be perfect.
I'm so getting this now, can't wait.
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Honestly, tons of apps to remote connect to your desktop.
Try also logme in (free and paid version, but free should be enough) and Teamviewer is also excellent - especially once you get used to the mouse pointer, very precise.
Teamviewer is completely free.
I am actually looking for an RDP client. Anyone can suggest a good one? I have iTap on iPad, but since that is going on a shelf to collect dust, I need something for Prime.
splashtop is also free as asus includes it in the tablet (they call it something else, myasus or some stupid name, but it's splashtop)
splashtop has been the best (for me) out of the few that i've tried.
Meanee said:
I am actually looking for an RDP client. Anyone can suggest a good one? I have iTap on iPad, but since that is going on a shelf to collect dust, I need something for Prime.
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This would be ideal. These other apps that send images are not in the same league as a true RDP client.
Meanee said:
I am actually looking for an RDP client. Anyone can suggest a good one? I have iTap on iPad, but since that is going on a shelf to collect dust, I need something for Prime.
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I use this https://market.android.com/details?id=com.xtralogic.android.rdpclient&feature=search_result ... it is a bit pricey but I use it for work so it was totally worth it. It is seamless as an RDP client. Just make sure you use a physical keyboard or a software that has all the keys you need without switching back and forth (such as A.I. Type Keyboard)
Is the included Splashtop that Asus bundles in the regular Splashtop or the Splashtop HD?
i'm going to assume the HD variant since they list comptability with the TF101 on there...
Splashtop is the only one I've used that properly utilised the Transformer's keyboard dock, brilliant app (original Transformer that is).
I'm using Splashtop HD, I think the included splashtop in the TF101 is the regular version.
Anyway splashtop HD is a wonder. At first I tought that was going to be a headach to setup, then I tried:
1) Install Splashtop HD on your computer (it automatically update)
2) Install Splashtop HD on your tablet.
3) Log into both with your regular google account
Done.
It find automatically your devices everywhere on wifi and 3G.
If you re on the same wifi network as the computer you re accessing it's blazing fast almost no delay. Browsing the web with the real chrome browser at full speed on a tablet is a joy by itself (and make you realise the huge gap there still is between mobile device and desktop computer in terme of browsing speed )
If you re on over the internet there is more delay, depending on your connection both at home and currently but it's still usable for quick files transfere, small correction. I do some tweeks on Maya (CGI software) that way and it's really convenient to be able to check and redo some rendering that happen home when you're at work.
I dont know Splashtop, seems to be very nice. But Teamviewer is also excellent on every platform!
I am partial to Logmein. I support my customers with it. It's completely free on PC, but if you want to access it from a mobile device, you need to fork over $30 for the Logmein Ignition app. Their ipad app is pretty nice, and I test drove Android app on Samsung Tab. Great thing about Logmein, is that it does not require any tinkering with routers, or dynamic DNS.
what if i was in china, could i access my pc from there? what about youtube? could i access vpn on my asus? is there any apps for that ****?
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what if i was in china, could i access my pc from there? what about youtube? could i access vpn on my asus? is there any apps for that ****?
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I would suggest a VPN service. There's a monthly fee, but it gives you full access to the web. And I believe it should work with "Great Firewall of China". I personally use StrongVPN. Service is something around $7/mo and works quite well.
This page has setup instructions for almost every device: http://www.strongvpn.com/setup.shtml
Anyone try Remote Desktop Client from the market?
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Anyone try Remote Desktop Client from the market?
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I think the one who already linked to it earlier in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20126208&postcount=9
tried it.
I used Logmein Ignition for Android. It supports (connecting to) a system with Multiple Monitors. Allows you to scale the screen to the default of your Transformer, with a dialog to switch back and forth between monitors.
I had to pay again Ignition for Android, to go with the one I use for Windows.
I've also surmised that SplashHD is mainly designed to allow you to shadow HD movies being played on your main PC, being i/o'd to your Transformer. Supports one monitor, and navigation in the window is a pain.
I use SplashHD religiously for Hulu+ until Hulu gets of their deadweight asses and supports the Transformer directly.
Steve
Hello XDA Developers!
tl;dr I need either a solid, light OS replacement for Android 2.3 on my Atrix, or I need a video streaming and virtualization app with no lag that works between android devices and either windows or linux desktop.
First I'd like to say how impressed I am with you folks. Massive amounts of work most be done on a regular basis, and so I tip my hat to you in thanks for looking at my potential problem/question.
I've got two devices that I'd like to make some serious software changes to, one of them my Atrix (the other is a Flytouch Tablet ARM11 with Android 2.3, but that's for a different forum). Let me start by saying that I like to think of myself as very technically literate, but when it comes to linux I just don't have nearly as much experience as I do with windows/mac, and it is about to really show.
What I want to do is load a light Linux OS on these devices. Normally, if I was going to install a new windows kernel on a machine I would copy an ISO to a USB thumb drive and make the drive bootable (using the MS program Windows 7 USB/DVD maker), then startup the PC and either through the BIOS or by hitting the proper button during the startup sequence I would ask the PC to boot into the drive and begin the installation.
Questions:
What is the image file type for mobile OS's?
How would one choose the right type of linux OS for an Atrix?
What is the difference between flashing a ROM and installing and OS?
Why is it when I updated my phone recently that it became unrooted?
(and) Is there any way to revert this process to make rooting easier?
Is there any way to capture a video output (like a stream) and broadcast it to these mobile devices so I can avoid changing their software alltogether?
(and) Could I just remotely control another PC from the mobile device, letting it do all the actual computing?
Can I use the Webtop Dock as a monitor for my desktop if I can find the proper HDMI cable to connect it to the HDMI output on my desktop video card?
(and) Can I also connect the Micro USB and use the keyboard/mouse (hooked into my desktop motherboard) on it as well?
(and finally) Can I use my Atrix as a prototype omni-tool by docking it in a docking station, attaching various tools that work with a linux operating system (wide-spectrum ultrasound imaging, temperature monitors, vital monitors, electronic laser saw (USB) (with separate power attachment of course) and extendable, movable USB cameras?) and then strapping it onto my wrist with a cool leather bracer design?
My end-goal is to have all three of these devices on the same network, with the ability to seamlessly access my data between them. For example, if I'm working on a document, I'd like to be able to access the document in a document editing program across all the platforms (imagine google docs with multiple users) however with one MAJOR stipulation: I'll be on a local network with NO INTERNET ACCESS!
Briefly (to better help you understand just what I'm trying to do) I am a freelance archaeologist/deep sea explorer/ROV tinkerer about to do a series of surveys mostly by myself in some VERY remote locations. I'll have a Wi-Fi network to link all of my devices together running out of my boat, but it's only for data sharing between each other, and since Satellite Internet is a joke, I can't think of any way to get data out there, and I've decided to live without it while I'm away.
I have a webtop dock for my Atrix, and the environment developed by Motorola is far too restrictive. I've tried countless fixes to try and get the webtop2SD to work, but I must be doing something wrong (Maybe the latest update screwed it?). I think since I'd like to use some linux applications while on the mobile devices, I would rather install a custom OS for both.
OR (preffered)
Even more simply, I'd like to stream the video feed and remotely control my desktop PC (located on the boat) on the mobile devices, but with yet another stipulation: I can't have FPS lag (I usually get 1-2 FPS with all the virtualization and remote control apps I've tried). This would in some senses be the preferred option, since I really don't want to spend oodles of hours trying to get some program to work in a difficult, restricted environment like these mobile device's current OS's. Is there a good, non-lagging version of desktop virtualization for Android OS?
About that webdock: I can't seem to find a female-to-female micro HDMI cable anywhere on the internet, thought I did find one Micro HDMI extension cable, and bought it promptly. I could buy another, but cut the male ends off and splice the female parts together (**** just got kinky). But if I could, would this work?
Phew that was a lot! Again thanks so much for thinking for me!
I've personally never found any kind of remote desktop software that works without lag, but it might be possible to find some. Someone else might know what to tell you there.
After doing some basic searching, the only collaborative document solution that I've found has been Etherpad Lite. You could set up a desktop or laptop running linux as the server, and all the other devices on your small network could (theoretically) run a browser based client similar (but far less advanced) than Google Docs. This way, everything on your LAN/WLAN could access the application, if it's stout enough to support your needs.
https://github.com/Pita/etherpad-lite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collab...Real-time_collaborative_text_editing_software
Everything you're looking for just seems to be limited for Android, I wish you the best of luck.
I have always found Teamviewer great for remote PC control from my Atrix. They have a nice app and free license for home/personal use. I get minimal lag controlling my PC at home when at work, but that's over WiFi. Not very fast and pretty laggy if I am on data with my Atrix.
BTW............I can work on documents, transfer files to and from PC's and laptops, print documents on my wireless printer, etc. across my home network from my Atrix, all routed through a Netgear WNR3500L running stock firmware (dd-wrt actually slowed my network down and reduced WiFi range considerably, so I reverted to stock).
First, there is no "magic" within the lapdock device. It is a nice HDMI screen, a couple crappy input devices on the USB side, and a battery. The standard Moto software does recognise the usb device and do some software magic, but certainly you could use the dock on it's own w/o the phone.
As to completely replacing the /osh webtop OS that Motorola provides, that is challanging.
There are 2 basic ways to open it up though. Go to the developers subforum and look for webtop2sd and "full Debian".
Somebody did post recently with an attempt to fully replace the webtop OS. he was using gentoo, so look for that and you should find it. But I suspect it is early, and likely to be a significant WP.
As to learning all this ****. If you do some Linux developement or heavy hacking (which it kind of sounds like) you should set up a full full blown 'droid dev platform and start playing. It is big and bulky, but you will learn faster that way than just searbhing around.
EDIT: just reread your post that you are light on Linux. if you want to do anything more than just follow along, it might be a good idea to setup something like an Ubuntu and get familiar there. 'Droid is way different looking (it really basterdises things around) but yoiu need to know both if you want to play with webtop hacks.
Thanks all. I'll look around again to see if I can find the threads you mentioned. I've tried Webtop2SD but to no success so far.
Thanks again.