I posted this in a different forum as well, thought I post here to see if others get the same result.
Not sure if its coincidence or not but i accidentally turned wifi off with out knowing, before doing a GPS test. An after a few minutes my prime had a GPS lock. Needles to say I never could get one in my house before. Just wondering if anyone else can check to see if GPS works better with wifi off? Also I had Bluetooth off as well. I attached a screenshots below.
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"GPS works better with wifi off?"
no sir
Many of us can get signals inside and with no wifi.. but is it "better" with wifi off.. not
I have posted many screenshots with wifi off and many signals... but it is no "better" this way as I think you think it is
MY Prime gets excellent GPS signal in my space shuttle and on the moon kinda sucks here know earth.
Mine still hasn't been able to grab a signal but then again I haven't really tested it any suggestions on how to test/?
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put it in the car, drive and try and navigate somewhere
corban227 said:
Mine still hasn't been able to grab a signal but then again I haven't really tested it any suggestions on how to test/?
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Software I used was GPS Test, and basically had Bluetooth and WiFi off. Before I ran the software. It took a minute or two before I saw any GPS satellites in view in the beginning. With WiFi on before I wouldn't even see one satellites, waiting 15 minutes or more. Now I'm able to get a GPS lock, whatever the case may be I'm a little bit happier.
stephen44 said:
put it in the car, drive and try and navigate somewhere
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I will be heading out shortly and will give it a shot. Last time I tried it in the car I kept getting Lost GPS message quite frequently, will see what happens this time with WiFi off.
Mine had no problems too after I took it outside..
I almost never get more then one Sat... The first few times I used it I had a lock in my living room with wifi on. After about the first week all I was getting was one Sat flickering off and on with no lock. I have just given up for the moment. Maybe there will be some sort of fix in the future, but for now if I want to use gps just going to attach a seperate unit or use my phone...
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Gps on the prime truly is a downfall for the device..thankfully my galaxy nexus has fully function gps so its not much of an issue but for those needing gps in a tab it really bites that u need a bt gps device to use with the prime
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LMAO I turned off wifi and turned on the GPS... before when I opened GPS Test it showed absolutely nothing...
Now i get this!! WTF I guess the bluetooth messes with wifi; wifi messes with GPS? damn why cant they all work at the same time....
NEVERMIND. Just tried turning WIFI back on with GPS on and both work! GPS signal is pretty low but the navigation is working
I have yet to have my Prime even show a single satellite. Tried home (live in a condo), work and on the commuter train. Was even running GPS Test on the Prime and my Galaxy S glide beside each other. My phone picked up 7 sats and my prime still read 0.
I was getting two sat's outside and nothing inside and no sign of a lock, now I can get 4 inside and I even got lock inside lol. Wifi off and channel 1 on my router works. Thanks.
Hey guys just got back from Costco trip. Tested the GPS with no wifi. Check out the video I made! All I can say is that I'm happy with my GPS!
Edit: One thing I did do differently was replace the GPS.Config with the one from my Galaxy tab 10.1 It seems to be getting better locks and more sats. I'll test it out more tonight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPQFB1dN1CE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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What you are all failing to notice is that your signal strength on those GPS Tests are extremely low, borderline non-existent. What may work one hour/day might be zero the next. That's the way it works with signals. It's affected heavily by your environment, and not just what you can see either. There is even varying levels of interference in the atmospshere!
The best the engineers at any company can do is make it so normally you get great reception so that during the times when the signal is bad you are still able to get enough signal to achieve a lock.
All these, "omg lawls it workz!!" threads just mean you were able to find the moment when the stars aligned just right and the crap worked the way it should ALL, or at least - most of the time.
Thanks for the video. Did you, or can you do one with the Galaxy 10.1 for comparison?
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What you are all failing to notice is that your signal strength on those GPS Tests are extremely low, borderline non-existent. What may work one hour/day might be zero the next. That's the way it works with signals. It's affected heavily by your environment, and not just what you can see either. There is even varying levels of interference in the atmospshere!
The best the engineers at any company can do is make it so normally you get great reception so that during the times when the signal is bad you are still able to get enough signal to achieve a lock.
All these, "omg lawls it workz!!" threads just mean you were able to find the moment when the stars aligned just right and the crap worked the way it should ALL, or at least - most of the time.
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Anyone who has a phone would use the phone as a GPS and not the tablet. If you have a $500 tablet, but can't afford a smartphone, then your money management is off.
All these "omgz the Prime suxz it haz nO gPs" posts are getting annoying. If we took a poll on how many people would actually use a tablet gps. It would be
90% yes
10% no
Looking at a tablet while driving is ridiculously unsafe and would probably cause car crashes anyways.
To wrap up my counter-rant, go troll another device's forums Mr. December 2011.
xAnimal5 said:
Anyone who has a phone would use the phone as a GPS and not the tablet. If you have a $500 tablet, but can't afford a smartphone, then your money management is off.
All these "omgz the Prime suxz it haz nO gPs" posts are getting annoying. If we took a poll on how many people would actually use a tablet gps. It would be
Looking at a tablet while driving is ridiculously unsafe and would probably cause car crashes anyways.
To wrap up my counter-rant, go troll another device's forums Mr. December 2011.
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You mean:
90% no
10% yes
right?
I'm sorry you are having an allergic reaction to facts. Asus has already said the metal is causing poor reception, the gps tests only confirm that..
GPS now working out of nowhere
Have an early replaced GS gray prime GPS never worked on either. Got the ICS update still no satellites visible for weeks now. Tonight saw 10 sats locked on 7 without wifi on what the hell. I`d keep trying it maybe you will see something soon too. I got a perfect one
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Thanks for the video. Did you, or can you do one with the Galaxy 10.1 for comparison?
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Sure. I'll figure out a way to do it this time in a safer manner.
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Looking at a tablet while driving is ridiculously unsafe and would probably cause car crashes anyways.
To wrap up my counter-rant, go troll another device's forums Mr. December 2011.
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Yeah one I won't repeat. I'll plan it out better next time so I can just focus on driving.
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I did my due diligence and my searches have come up with no threads that covered this yet.
Here is the screenshot for what I am referring to.
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...and here is the story.
I noticed that while streaming data/audio over bluetooth the wifi performance (the already pitiful performance) drops to essentially nothing and often times out.
IE: I first noticed something was wrong and the wheels began turning when I had been watching Netflix and decided to pair with my Bluetooth speaker so I didn't have to keep cupping the side of the tablet for decent audio. Netflix timed out every time I paired.
While testing this I didn't notice any difference with Bluetooth "on" but only while it was transmitting something. For the purpose of my speed tests I was playing white noise over a Bluetooth speaker from an app in the background.
I know slim to nil about the real nitty gritty of hardware in tablets but I can only suspect that they share the antennae or in the worst case I have a lemon and need to RMA.
Has anyone else noticed this?
also obligatory:
"wifi sucks" "SD/Internal Memory writes are absurdly slow" "stock browser is bad, use opera"
Edit: post title clarified and pun-ified
Oh my!
I have bluetooth on about 75% of the time because that is how I text from my tablet (paired with my phone) I haven't noticed any changes in my wifi at all when BT is on/off. However I realize that is NOT the same as streaming audio/data.
Since I do have it on so often, I'll check it out and see what happens with mine.
slugbug2010 said:
Oh my!
I have bluetooth on about 75% of the time because that is how I text from my tablet (paired with my phone) I haven't noticed any changes in my wifi at all when BT is on/off. However I realize that is NOT the same as streaming audio/data.
Since I do have it on so often, I'll check it out and see what happens with mine.
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I did notice that it only occurs while data is being continuously sent.
While doing my test I had a white noise app sending audio to a bluetooth speaker.
(gonna add that to the OP so other people dont get confused)
i just bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse today, and i can tell you that my wifi signal while these devices are active have dropped greatly... instead of getting half wifi bar in my living room i now get 1 bar.
I have also noticed that my bluetooth mouse has some pretty bad lagg, pretty sure its not the mouse because it works find on all my other tablets. Im guessing its all due to the metal case. GO ASUS!
jzen said:
i just bought a bluetooth keyboard and mouse today, and i can tell you that my wifi signal while these devices are active have dropped greatly... instead of getting half wifi bar in my living room i now get 1 bar.
I have also noticed that my bluetooth mouse has some pretty bad lagg, pretty sure its not the mouse because it works find on all my other tablets. Im guessing its all due to the metal case. GO ASUS!
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Good Lord, man, just return it already. You have posted in every single possible bug thread saying that you have that bug. I'm waiting for the guy to post that his tablet is giving him metal splinters so you can post in that thread saying yours is too. Or the my tablet is making me go bald because the metal case is holding all of that radiation in, and you posting mine is too!
Exhausting, I tell ya.
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Good Lord, man, just return it already. You have posted in every single possible bug thread saying that you have that bug. I'm waiting for the guy to post that his tablet is giving him metal splinters so you can post in that thread saying yours is too. Or the my tablet is making me go bald because the metal case is holding all of that radiation in, and you posting mine is too!
Exhausting, I tell ya.
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Do you even have a prime? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would know that all these issues I speak of are true. I wanted it to be a great tablet but in the end... almost every feature it has is flawed and no miracle version of ICS will fix it. Every problem with the device (except screen bleed) all comes down to one major design flaw (the metal case).
Crap wifi, crap gps, crap bluetooth and deciding to copy apple with a metal case was an epic fail because they did not use their heads.
Now, you can cry, kick and scream like a baby or make fun of me all you want, but I guarantee after you have spent a week or two with the prime you will go back and read my words of wisdom and know that I was not joking, or just making it all up.
If ICS or an update from Asus somehow fixes these issues I will give everyone on the prime xda forum $100 bucks (it will never happen, its a defective device pawned off onto us so Asus could make a quick profit.).
I have only posted in the prime forum to warn others of how bad the Prime really is, its just a shame that most of you are too ignorant or embarrassed to admit the truth. Take the word of someone who knows tablets, the prime is the definition of fail.
If you don't mind having crappy wifi, no gps and bluetooth that makes the crappy wifi even crappier then by all means go out and spend the $500 on the prime (you deserve it for not having a brain.). As for me and other intelligent users, we will either return it or just chuck it on CL or Ebay and wait for the real next gen tablet to comeout from a company that is not looking to screw over their customers for a quick profit.
This forum is filled with all kinds of problems the transformer prime has. And most of them cannot be fixed with a simple software update. These people are not trying to ruin your day, they are just trying to warn you of the many problems you will face if you decide to get this device now.
jzen said:
Do you even have a prime? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would know that all these issues I speak of are true. I wanted it to be a great tablet but in the end... almost every feature it has is flawed and no miracle version of ICS will fix it. Every problem with the device (except screen bleed) all comes down to one major design flaw (the metal case).
Crap wifi, crap gps, crap bluetooth and deciding to copy apple with a metal case was an epic fail because they did not use their heads.
Now, you can cry, kick and scream like a baby or make fun of me all you want, but I guarantee after you have spent a week or two with the prime you will go back and read my words of wisdom and know that I was not joking, or just making it all up.
If ICS or an update from Asus somehow fixes these issues I will give everyone on the prime xda forum $100 bucks (it will never happen, its a defective device pawned off onto us so Asus could make a quick profit.).
I have only posted in the prime forum to warn others of how bad the Prime really is, its just a shame that most of you are too ignorant or embarrassed to admit the truth. Take the word of someone who knows tablets, the prime is the definition of fail.
If you don't mind having crappy wifi, no gps and bluetooth that makes the crappy wifi even crappier then by all means go out and spend the $500 on the prime (you deserve it for not having a brain.). As for me and other intelligent users, we will either return it or just chuck it on CL or Ebay and wait for the real next gen tablet to comeout from a company that is not looking to screw over their customers for a quick profit.
This forum is filled with all kinds of problems the transformer prime has. And most of them cannot be fixed with a simple software update. These people are not trying to ruin your day, they are just trying to warn you of the many problems you will face if you decide to get this device now.
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Go make another thread for your personal vendetta.
For all its faults, the prime is still fantastic. It works great with a few minor quirks that will likely be ironed out with ICS or a patch down the road.
I made the thread to clarify this bug in particular so I could determine if it was my device that was acting up, or a reproducible problem with other primes as well.
That being said, I would not recommend the prime, as it is, to anyone without moderate-advanced android knowledge because they would not understand the difference between potential and current iteration.
Good day sir.
I really wish people would only post if they know what they are talking about. 90% of the problems with the tablet are software related. Hardware pretty much works or it doesn't. Software is what has random results with stuff not working, or working poorly. Just like the update that came out fixed GPS. Updates dont fix hardware issues, so that means the GPS issue was software.
I will be able to test this tomorrow when my Prime finally arrives, I plan on using my tried and trusty Bluetooth Rocketfish headphones with my Prime while I test out it's Youtube/Netflix functionality.
dabbill said:
I really wish people would only post if they know what they are talking about. 90% of the problems with the tablet are software related. Hardware pretty much works or it doesn't. Software is what has random results with stuff not working, or working poorly. Just like the update that came out fixed GPS. Updates dont fix hardware issues, so that means the GPS issue was software.
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Uhm, last time I checked radio interference wasn't a s/w problem. With all the threads on Wi-Fi and GPS I was kind of wondering how BT would perform. With everyone's conditions being so different, it would be intersting to see if others streaming to external speakers or moving data had similar issues. OP, does moving the position of the BT device relative to the Prime have any impact?
BarryH_GEG said:
Uhm, last time I checked radio interference wasn't a s/w problem. With all the threads on Wi-Fi and GPS I was kind of wondering how BT would perform. With everyone's conditions being so different, it would be intersting to see if others streaming to external speakers or moving data had similar issues. OP, does moving the position of the BT device relative to the Prime have any impact?
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No sir.
I tested this in multiple locations in my home with 3 different devices at varying distances with consistent results. +-10%
Logitech bluetooth speakers
Belkin x51 bluetooth receiver
Jawbone earpiece
jfortier777 said:
No sir.
I tested this in multiple locations in my home with 3 different devices at varying distances with consistent results. +-10%
Logitech bluetooth speakers
Belkin x51 bluetooth receiver
Jawbone earpiece
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if BT & Wifi don't work well together (as with my current Android tablet), then I think this will be the 'final' thing that is going to get me to cancel pre-order (I'm in the UK) until things are sorted
A shame
Verified here. My experience with a set of Motorola S9-HD Bluetooth headphones is:
1. Run Speedtest, strong 24Mb/s speeds.
2. Connect headphones and play music.
3. Wifi drops to about 4Mb/s for a few seconds.
4. Wifi stays connected but stops transmitting/receiving.
5. Any app that tries to connect to the Internet fails.
6. Turn off Bluetooth and connection is restored.
Definitely a problem. However, I don't know of any reason to assume it's not fixable in a firmware update, so I'm not going to knee-jerk react to it.
Hmmm....
Very interesting, I thought it was just my phone's mobile hotspot acting up yesterday when I took the 3 year old to the park. My Prime was connected to my phone running relatively smooth and after I connected my bluetooth headset to my Prime, my Prime's ability to load images on forum boards was very inconsistent. Didn't pay it much mind.
On a somewhat related note, the bluetooth range for prime seems to be pretty damn good.
wynand32 said:
I'm not going to knee-jerk react to it.
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There's no sport in that.
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On a somewhat related note, the bluetooth range for prime seems to be pretty damn good.
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Sounds like a software update needs to take the BT radio strength down a peg.
You think? I was pushing the kid on the tire wheel which was like 20 steps away from where the prime was sitting on a table with my roomie and was still getting stable playback from the Prime.
I also noticed when first pairing the headset, there was a listing for "Ken's phone" but the closest person to us was a family sitting about 4 tables away and each table probably had 4 feet between.
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You think? I was pushing the kid on the tire wheel which was like 20 steps away from where the prime was sitting on a table with my roomie and was still getting stable playback from the Prime.
I also noticed when first pairing the headset, there was a listing for "Ken's phone" but the closest person to us was a family sitting about 4 tables away and each table probably had 4 feet between.
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Thats what I mean, do you really need bluetooth to reach 30 feet and thereby killing your wifi.
I was thinking maybe tune the BT's power down to half and perhaps give Wifi a lil breathingroom?
Just a thought.
wynand32 said:
Verified here. My experience with a set of Motorola S9-HD Bluetooth headphones is:
1. Run Speedtest, strong 24Mb/s speeds.
2. Connect headphones and play music.
3. Wifi drops to about 4Mb/s for a few seconds.
4. Wifi stays connected but stops transmitting/receiving.
5. Any app that tries to connect to the Internet fails.
6. Turn off Bluetooth and connection is restored.
Definitely a problem. However, I don't know of any reason to assume it's not fixable in a firmware update, so I'm not going to knee-jerk react to it.
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Certainly no knee jerking planned, but now that I know it's universal I can comfortably await an update that fixes it... and an unlocked bootloader.
I'll test this and respond. I have been having problems with my prime, while tethered to a Galaxy Nexus, failing to stream after 2-3 minutes. I did a side by side with the OG Transformer without fail. Thanks for pointing out bluetooth
EDIT: First let me point out my current testing. Transformer and Transformer Prime, side by side tethered to a Galaxy Nexus. Streamed an episode of Farscape via Netflix for 20 minutes without a problem. Pressed Home, opened Subsonic and tried to stream an episode of One Tree Hill. The Prime doesn't resolve the page with the flash video at all, while the OG Transformer loads the page just fine. I disabled the bluetooth, which was enabled but not connected to any devices. I disabled and enabled WiFi on the Prime, still no dice. Then I connected the Prime to my home WiFi, and it works. Connected the Prime to the Galaxy Nexus again, and no dice, but the OG Transformer is still surfing the net. Bluetooth is disabled right now, but it wasn't disabled when the prime's WiFi to GN broke.
Now as I write I toggled tethering on the GN off and on. Disabled wifi on the prime and re-enabled. Connected Prime to GN and internet is working again. I am commencing a stream of One Tree Hill. BT Disabled. In 5 Minutes I'll enable Bluetooth and see what happens.
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Looks like I can confirm this. Was streaming just fine, speedtests and all that fun stuff. Not more than 4 minutes after enabling BT the internet went kaput. Interestingly.. I enabled bluetooth in the middle of a speedtest upload, and the speedtest immediately stopped.. at about 150kbps as opposed to the 5000 it should have reached. The second speed test recovered though. I went back to streaming video though, and the problems came back. I need bluetooth, so this is unacceptable.
Well, damn it ASUS! I had a vague GPS thing going on when I first got ICS. Since I got the update for GPS it's killed it
I left the prime in the window bay for 25 mins and this is what I got
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Nothing. I presume this has nothing to do with root etc? Would a system erase make any difference? Is it even worth a try?
It's not like I use it often, but it used to lock from here fine and now it doesn't.
Meh!
No difference for me, no satellites before or after the update. But...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459356
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jonboyuk said:
Well, damn it ASUS! I had a vague GPS thing going on when I first got ICS. Since I got the update for GPS it's killed it
I left the prime in the window bay for 25 mins and this is what I got
Nothing. I presume this has nothing to do with root etc? Would a system erase make any difference? Is it even worth a try?
It's not like I use it often, but it used to lock from here fine and now it doesn't.
Meh!
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You should get some satellites if you turn the device around. Right now the metal back possibly blocks all potential signals. Aluminum back cuts down about 50% of GPS signal performance compared to smartphone like Galaxy Nexus (which also does not have ideal GPS, though does work).
kristovaher said:
You should get some satellites if you turn the device around. Right now the metal back possibly blocks all potential signals. Aluminum back cuts down about 50% of GPS signal performance compared to smartphone like Galaxy Nexus (which also does not have ideal GPS, though does work).
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Good idea and thanks - I tried this, flat, next to a window and left for an hour. Still nothing How can an OTA update that claims to fix GPS break it?! Lol!
Yeah, I got the same - absolutely nothing despite over an hour face up completely flat.
My phone (Dell Streak) gets locks immediately in the same place.
The only way I've managed to "see" a single satellite on my Prime is after BT tethering to my Streak!
Very disappointing, not that it's crucial to have GPS, but there's a principle involved here.
jonboyuk said:
Good idea and thanks - I tried this, flat, next to a window and left for an hour. Still nothing How can an OTA update that claims to fix GPS break it?! Lol!
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Do yourself a favor change the power modes while in the GPS app!
See that little circle notification if it is not flashing it is not trying to lock so all you gotta do to get it to start locking is expand than minimize the notification bar!
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Yeah, I got the same - absolutely nothing despite over an hour face up completely flat.
My phone (Dell Streak) gets locks immediately in the same place.
The only way I've managed to "see" a single satellite on my Prime is after BT tethering to my Streak!
Very disappointing, not that it's crucial to have GPS, but there's a principle involved here.
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Couldn't agree more. I had mine picking up sats in my car with Honeycomb...then ICS came along (second ICS OTA) and decided to take it away from me. Disappointed. Now, where's that Mr.Gary Key? Ha!
Ditto - this last update killed my previously acceptable GPS performance. Mine will see as many as 8 birds with decent SNR, but will not lock on any of them.
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Do yourself a favor change the power modes while in the GPS app!
See that little circle notification if it is not flashing it is not trying to lock so all you gotta do to get it to start locking is expand than minimize the notification bar!
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I knew that trick!! It was the first thing I tried before running a full reset :/ Thanks though
slybarman said:
Ditto - this last update killed my previously acceptable GPS performance. Mine will see as many as 8 birds with decent SNR, but will not lock on any of them.
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Ooops I should have multiquoted! Anyway, clearly it's happened quite a lot....gutted.....
Wow guys, this sounds really bad. I thought that the flaw is simply that the signal is weaker by half (as it is on my tests), but apparently it doesn't get any locks at all for some of you.
This is definitely not a metal casing problem, GPS antennae seems messed up. GPS, by design, should get some locks after just a few minutes, no more than 10 or 15 minutes.
All of my tests show the flaw of metal casing weakening the GPS signal, but it still finds satellites (though cannot be used for navi as a result) without WiFi.
Try going to some open space and hold the tablet skyward and see if there's any change. Indoors is not an ideal testing condition (depends on where you live), because it still might be the metal-back issue.
It not purely a hardware issue though as my GPS was on par with my cellphone before this last update.
I am also getting no gps lock in gps test since the last update. I got my prime to lock onto about 15 satellites prior to the update driving in my car(its a convertible) Now I can't get it to see a single one, let alone get a lock. I love my prime, but this is a real bummer.
I agree....if this was a pure hardware related issue, then it wouldn't have worked before then suddenly stopped working post drivers/software update. This clearly highlights that there is a software related issue going on. Obviously the aluminium backplate still reduces from the overall signal quality but it don't completely prevent it from working. If this was the case, no one would get a lock ever, on any unit!
Your move Asus...
Likewise. Signal before update. No sats found following update.
Same problem here. I did not originally have an advanced GPS app or anything, but services were able to locate me in GPS (when Wifi and location via Wifi turned off). Since the update, I get nothing. I download several apps to test GPS and all are the same: No Sats.
I don't really use GPS all that much, but I tested this before installing the update and the update did definitely break it for me.
Seems like the update was 50/50. Either it makes everything brilliant or just takes it away!! How do we approach this best? We can all contact ASUS individually but that never seems to work. I wonder if Gary Key accepts PM's?
Asus meet NASA, NASA meet Asus...
How Do Global Positioning Systems, or GPS, Work?
HAHAHAHA!! JoTeC that cracked me up!
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HAHAHAHA!! JoTeC that cracked me up!
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LOL, I couldn't resist.
Sent 1st Prime for problems:
Serial Number is: BCOKAS******
1. Weak wifi
2. No GPS on Wifi OFF (outdoor/indoor)
3. No GPS on Wifi ON (outdoor/indoor)
4. Sound on Video is no clear, no normalization, loud
Recieved 2nd Asus Prime as replacement, and opened Prime by Asus
Serial Number is: C10KAS*****
1. It was worse than the first one
2. it's auto reboot randomly, new problem
3. Wifi is acceptable
4. No GPS on Wifi OFF (outdoor/indoor)
5. No GPS on Wifi ON (outdoor/indoor)
6. *** new problem, if it stands by, sometimes, it just shut off...I have to turn on and reboot again
7. *** asus tech was not perfectly re-assemble it, the glass is way on top of the frame :-(
This 2nd prime looked like it was opened by asus tech. I saw the opened mark. I took 2 weeks to get a replacement, but this one is no better then the first one. I am so disappointed in ASUS...Maybe it's last product that I will ever buy from them...bad experience...:-(
No GPS on the RMA Prime:
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This may be a matter of introducing too many variables... My two C1 Primes had great GPS on the .11 firmware, quickly locking 12/14 satellites outside with wifi turned off, and 7/10 indoors. After the .13 update, mine now won't lock outside with wifi off (or at least, I've not waited long enough), and won't maintain a consistent lock on wifi.
So, it's possible that you have good enough GPS (by the Prime's standards), but that yours was affected by the .13 update. There's another thread on this somewhere, where other people have had this happen as well.
wynand32 said:
This may be a matter of introducing too many variables... My two C1 Primes had great GPS on the .11 firmware, quickly locking 12/14 satellites outside with wifi turned off, and 7/10 indoors. After the .13 update, mine now won't lock outside with wifi off (or at least, I've not waited long enough), and won't maintain a consistent lock on wifi.
So, it's possible that you have good enough GPS (by the Prime's standards), but that yours was affected by the .13 update. There's another thread on this somewhere, where other people have had this happen as well.
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if it is true like what you said. I was already giving up on send them back for RMA (again) :-(
I still don't understand how come the GPS still won't LOCK on WIFI data?...for example, if you use dedicaded Google Map, or the weather widget, it is still not able to find gps locations
It is consistently inconsistent
mnlmnv said:
if it is true like what you said. I was already giving up on send them back for RMA (again) :-(
I still don't understand how come the GPS still won't LOCK on WIFI data?...for example, if you use dedicaded Google Map, or the weather widget, it is still not able to find gps locations
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I got my C1 replacement back at a while ago (almost 2 weeks) and when I got not GPS satellites at first, I was majorly disappointed. Wifi was quite decent, even though throughput at the far ends of my range are slow (2.6-3 Mbps) when it gets 16-17 Mbps close to router, however, it streams video perfectly with Bluetooth attached and streaming, so thats the ultimate test for me, not what the numbers are (even if that irks me )
As for GPS, I saw not a single satellite as I said, until day 3 after replacement arrived. Then, sitting in the car, no Wifi to speak of, I suddenly get LOTS of satellites... HOORAY! Sort of... Still not gona cut it for navigation, but you know what? It's the way it is. I really would love to see Asus fix GPS, but it does not look good in that department. Major bummer. As for the rest, all is good. I am MOSTLY HAPPY (which is NOT like being a little pregnant, as some will try saying) I am happy for the good, and still pissed about GPS. Thats my take on it, and yes, I am keeping the Prime (Until and if they offer me another replacement to try, LOL!)
Sorry bout the link, Still can't post attachments from Stock Browser for some reason:
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SmartAs$Phone said:
I really would love to see Asus fix GPS, but it does not look good in that department.
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I doubt ASUS is going to so anything to fix the GPS in any transformer prime because....
It is not a feature any more. They have removed it from the feature list. Just like Sony did with the PS3. It used to have PS2 backwards compatibility and Other OS support, but they removed it and stopped supporting it.
You need to pm Gary Key. My prime (sn bkcu) had poor wifi and NO gps. I sent it in and they didn't touch I'd for 3 Weeks despite my constant calling. I PMd Gary and they over nighted me a completely new unit (sn c10kas) everything works great. I found 12 says and locked 10 in my house! I am finally happy!
Thanks again Gary!
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I believe 100% that GPS is a Software/Firmware issue. I also know that there have been threads about this before.
That being said I had GPS working fine on my tablet when I got it and performance has gone down with every update. I am now on .14 and I have no GPS at all. Inside, outside, vertical, horizontal, with a phone, without, clear skys, rain, etc. The only 2 things that I haven't tried is taking off the back of the tablet and using gps tether, reason being that it worked before and now it doesn't and tethering has nothing to do with the internal GPS.
I'm almost thinking that they disabled the GPS in one of the last updates 13 and 14 for sure.
EDIT: What do you know it must be like going to the doctor. It hurts until you go there then everything is fine again.
My Prime is seeing 4 satellites in view right now however the gps has not "locked" yet.
The weirdest thing is that I left GPS on for a couple of hours with the screen sleep turned off and got nothing and now in the time that it took to edit this I got some satellites in view. I'm at a loss.
Has anyone else had similar experiences?
@Gary Key any input on this? Other than GPS my tablet is 100% functional, I haven't experienced any of the other problems wifi, reboots, etc.
it is hardware, it's been proven. the GPS and wi-fi antennas are connected via pogo pins and in some primes te pogo pins are touching, giving you great performance and in others they are not touching giving you no GPS.
GPS works on mine with .14, but doesn't lock to as many satellites as with .11, nor does it maintain as consistent a signal.
Personally, I believe the GPS issues are a combination of hardware and software.
cordell507 said:
it is hardware, it's been proven. the GPS and wi-fi antennas are connected via pogo pins and in some primes te pogo pins are touching, giving you great performance and in others they are not touching giving you no GPS.
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I don't buy the pogo pin theory. However the aluminum back might have something to do with it.
And how exactly has this been proven? Not to start a flame war but nobody has replaced the pogo pins with solder and put the prime back together. They have only added antennas to the device and/or removed the back plate. Lets get with the scientific method here. Change one variable at a time.
In my case the only thing that has changed is the version of the software on the tablet. The newer the software/firmware the worse the performance.
l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I believe 100% that GPS is a Software/Firmware issue. I also know that there have been threads about this before.
That being said I had GPS working fine on my tablet when I got it and performance has gone down with every update. I am now on .14 and I have no GPS at all. Inside, outside, vertical, horizontal, with a phone, without, clear skys, rain, etc. The only 2 things that I haven't tried is taking off the back of the tablet and using gps tether, reason being that it worked before and now it doesn't and tethering has nothing to do with the internal GPS.
I'm almost thinking that they disabled the GPS in one of the last updates 13 and 14 for sure.
EDIT: What do you know it must be like going to the doctor. It hurts until you go there then everything is fine again.
My Prime is seeing 4 satellites in view right now however the gps has not "locked" yet.
The weirdest thing is that I left GPS on for a couple of hours with the screen sleep turned off and got nothing and now in the time that it took to edit this I got some satellites in view. I'm at a loss.
Has anyone else had similar experiences?
@Gary Key any input on this? Other than GPS my tablet is 100% functional, I haven't experienced any of the other problems wifi, reboots, etc.
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There's a multipage thread about this already (GPS performance acceptable, then degrades after .13 or .14 updates). Here's what's going to happen: You'll probably get flamed, a bunch of people will insinuate that you're an idiot for even SUGGESTING that it's not completely a hardware issue, and a few will mock your methods as unscientific. Debate may or may not go back and forth for a while, and then the thread will slowly die. And one day, .15 or .16 will come out, and maybe your GPS reception will magically improve again. Who knows?
I don't think that GPS will ever be GREAT (lots of birds with green-bar signal strength) but I do think that software updates are effecting the ACCEPTABLE GPS that a number of these units seem capable of achieving.
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l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I don't buy the pogo pin theory. However the aluminum back might have something to do with it.
And how exactly has this been proven? Not to start a flame war but nobody has replaced the pogo pins with solder and put the prime back together. They have only added antennas to the device and/or removed the back plate. Lets get with the scientific method here. Change one variable at a time.
In my case the only thing that has changed is the version of the software on the tablet. The newer the software/firmware the worse the performance.
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This has been pretty extensively discussed in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1474391
The aluminum case is definitely a major problem for GPS and Erusman "solved" that problem by attaching external antennae to his Prime so that the GPS can get a relatively clear signal. He experimented with several different types of internal antennae, hard wired the GPS antennae to replace the Pogo Pins, etc all with very poor GPS results until he ran an antennae out the back of his Prime.
To me (and most people who followed Erusman's testing), this indicates that the GPS's main problem is a hardware one, that hardware being the aluminum backplate of the Prime.
I have had varying GPS performance with the different firmware updates, which indicates that software can be a factor. However since I have also had generally poor GPS performance regardless of which formware I have been running I am pretty sure that software isn't as much of a factor as encasing the GPS antennae in what amounts to an aluminum faraday cage .
Not another one of these. I posted this on another forum. To the OP, if this is software please explain my results. Now even though it was picking satellites it wasnt really that useful as it didnt really track me on the spot when doing turn by turn.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22657457&postcount=65
What HE said...
dcAndroidFan said:
There's a multipage thread about this already (GPS performance acceptable, then degrades after .13 or .14 updates). Here's what's going to happen: You'll probably get flamed, a bunch of people will insinuate that you're an idiot for even SUGGESTING that it's not completely a hardware issue, and a few will mock your methods as unscientific. Debate may or may not go back and forth for a while, and then the thread will slowly die. And one day, .15 or .16 will come out, and maybe your GPS reception will magically improve again. Who knows?
I don't think that GPS will ever be GREAT (lots of birds with green-bar signal strength) but I do think that software updates are effecting the ACCEPTABLE GPS that a number of these units seem capable of achieving.
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I pretty much agree. I doubt it will ever be truly accptable to the level of say, a TF101 - though I was told that my replacement C1 Serial Number Prime would be "At LEAST as good as a TF101" by a tech support manager. Seems that where the Prime is concerned NOTHING is a "given" Some days I get some GPS activity, some days not so much. What is apparent with my current unit is, GPS is EXTREMELY inconsistent, and not just from session to session, I mean from minute to minute. I can have 11 sats in view, using 5, and 10 seconds later lose half of them,or ALL of them, all without even moving the Prime so much as a millimeter.
I guess I will never be able to use my Prime as a "professional GPS device" Or as an unprofessional GPS device, or as a GPS device of any type. Sucks... and will continue to irk me for as long as I have and use a Prime. Probably for a long time after as well. I suspect that any mention or thought of Asus will no doubt bring the Now you see it, Now you don't GPS screw up to mind.
Know what would be great? Not having to see ONE MORE comment like "I didn't need the GPS anyway" or the classic: "If I want GPS, that's what my phone is for." That's terrific! Then if you buy a new car and the $1800 Navigation doesn't work, and the manufacturer decides to just stop supporting navigation in that model, you will be all set with your phone.
Don't TELL me how a tablet doesn't NEED GPS, and don't TELL me that the iPAD 2 WiFi doesn't HAVE GPS. I didn't BUY an iPAD 2. I bought a device that said "GPS" on the box and on the web. My GPS doesn't even work for LOCATION, never mind navigation.
Tell me again how I can just return it if I don't like it. That's the Problem... I do LIKE IT... I FREAKING LOVE IT, all the more reason why I want it to work properly. And I don't want to return it, I want to exchange it, or fix it. If it will never work, well, then I will never be completely happy, but that doesn't mean I can go get one of the many "Comparable" devices (Like Best Buy offered me when the oversold Pre-orders. There ARE no Comparable devices.
SO I am stuck using an add-on Bluetooth GPS Tethering device. Works ok. Bug me that there is GPS hardware right here in the Prime that doesn't work. Bugs me a lot. I am an engineer. Crap that doesn't work, or works poorly bugs me.
It's like the "Real Feel" weather people. Telling me that it's 60 degrees, but "feels like" 63. Not to ME! To ME, it feels like 66. Don't TELL me how to FEEL!
No one can tell me how to feel about this either. It feels like I got ripped off. Rant over (for today)
I think its the software too.
I was sent a c model that works perfectly in every way except the gps which will not lock on to any sats. BUT using free nav usa I can lock on to sats and stay connected. IT IS NO GOOGLE MAPS BUT it does work. Sooooo is it software ?
Ok, so I'm only marginally tech savvy, but lets say i wanted to set up optimal GPS conditions for my prime (which has never seen a satellite). How would I do that and what programs do you recommend.
So far I've tried putting my prime next to a window running GPS Test and letting it sit there for uo to 10mins.
Thanks
@SmartAs$Phone:
I know exactly how you feel. My prime's box didn't have GPS listed, and I was aware of the issues going in, so to me I knew ahead of time and I was okay with that. Bestbuy, on the other hand, was still advertising GPS as a feature at the time (End of January) and last I checked on their site they're still advertising it.
But for the folks that bought thinking "Yes! Full on GPS!" and it didn't deliver I can certainly understand the frustration. Double so, considering that when it didn't work they came here and found many others with the same problem, and they realized that had the done more searching up front they would have known about the issue.
In the end, however, no software is going to fix this problem as has been proven by the various hardware mod threads. For those willing to mod, that's a fine solution. For those not willing to mod, well, I don't know what the solution is.
Well, my C1 model had relatively OK GPS with .11
At my front door I could get 11 sats and four locked and it said about 48 feet accurate. BUT, use maps and my location jumped around and was typically 200 yards or more off.
With .14, I get a lot more sats, more locked, and 36 feet accurate. And on maps is locks dead on to where I am.
Can firmware improve GPS? Clearly. Did it get better from .11 to .14? Clearly.
Now the good part. If I was lucky I got a few sats intermittently indoors (1 to 3) after a few minutes. NOW, I get 7 sats and a lock with 72 feet accurate, and the map is about 100 feet off, but on the right street.
Say what you will. I don't have anything special. Same metal back.
*grabbing popcorn*
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*grabbing popcorn*
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Dont forget the large size soda.
Clevatreva lol, all treva did was play with birds by the door. Other more tech people opened their primes and proved to themselves its Purley hardware..... Sillytreva
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Clevatreva lol, all treva did was play with birds by the door. Other more tech people opened their primes and proved to themselves its Purley hardware..... Sillytreva
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Here's what's going to happen: You'll probably get flamed, a bunch of people will insinuate that you're an idiot for even SUGGESTING that it's not completely a hardware issue, and a few will mock your methods as unscientific.
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Seems like I pretty much called this one.
I am also thinking that gps issue is mostly software problem. When I bought tfp there was android hc. I had seen 15 sats and connected to 13. Whith .11 it dropped to max 6 visible but I was able to get a fix. Now with .14 I can see max 4 sats with no fix. I`ve got no problems with reboots nor wifi.
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l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I believe 100% that GPS is a Software/Firmware issue. I also know that there have been threads about this before.
That being said I had GPS working fine on my tablet when I got it and performance has gone down with every update. I am now on .14 and I have no GPS at all. Inside, outside, vertical, horizontal, with a phone, without, clear skys, rain, etc. The only 2 things that I haven't tried is taking off the back of the tablet and using gps tether, reason being that it worked before and now it doesn't and tethering has nothing to do with the internal GPS.
I'm almost thinking that they disabled the GPS in one of the last updates 13 and 14 for sure.
EDIT: What do you know it must be like going to the doctor. It hurts until you go there then everything is fine again.
My Prime is seeing 4 satellites in view right now however the gps has not "locked" yet.
The weirdest thing is that I left GPS on for a couple of hours with the screen sleep turned off and got nothing and now in the time that it took to edit this I got some satellites in view. I'm at a loss.
Has anyone else had similar experiences?
@Gary Key any input on this? Other than GPS my tablet is 100% functional, I haven't experienced any of the other problems wifi, reboots, etc.
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I agree with you 100% I'm an Avionics Tech I work with GPS rx's all day. We have a GPS generator and with the unit right under the gen it shows about the right -dbm however is unable to obtain a constant lock. If I pad the signal down it gets better and locks on solid. IMO its an AGC problem which is a software setting for this chipset. I have been temped to open my prime up and solder smb connectors to the main board and hook it up to a good GPS antenna, but I know it still wont work. People here dont seem to understand RF and how antenna's are a specific length ect. I'm not bashing people but a clip lead isn't an antenna nor a valid test.
I am having the exact same problem. At times I get no love, no birds, like right now. Zippo, nada, But last time I checked, I was getting lots of satellites. Very inconsistent and I can't find any reason for it..
l33tlinuxh4x0r said:
I believe 100% that GPS is a Software/Firmware issue. I also know that there have been threads about this before.
That being said I had GPS working fine on my tablet when I got it and performance has gone down with every update. I am now on .14 and I have no GPS at all. Inside, outside, vertical, horizontal, with a phone, without, clear skys, rain, etc. The only 2 things that I haven't tried is taking off the back of the tablet and using gps tether, reason being that it worked before and now it doesn't and tethering has nothing to do with the internal GPS.
I'm almost thinking that they disabled the GPS in one of the last updates 13 and 14 for sure.
EDIT: What do you know it must be like going to the doctor. It hurts until you go there then everything is fine again.
My Prime is seeing 4 satellites in view right now however the gps has not "locked" yet.
The weirdest thing is that I left GPS on for a couple of hours with the screen sleep turned off and got nothing and now in the time that it took to edit this I got some satellites in view. I'm at a loss.
Has anyone else had similar experiences?
@Gary Key any input on this? Other than GPS my tablet is 100% functional, I haven't experienced any of the other problems wifi, reboots, etc.
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Simple question; Is anyone out there with a TF prime with decent GPS? And by decent I mean locks outside say within 15 seconds without losing signal?
My prime's GPS was working so-so before the .14 update. After the .14 update the GPS is non existent , but Shadowgun seems to run without any lag even with 10+ NPCs in one scene
On a similar note; my family just bought a motorola xoom and galaxy tab 10.1. The xoom has unbelievable GPS, locks even inside my basement within a few seconds. The tab has okay GPS. Poor prime can't flex its muscles in when it comes to GPS.
My GPS works fine for both .11 and .14 (updated yesterday).
It takes like 2 minutes for finding satellites and positioning me in the Aura Drive app. GPS was stable, I was walking for 30 minutes in the park and it was, as you said, decent.
Here are some screenshots I did while testing .14:
http://picbg.net/img.php?file=5af93fe3c19983b9.jpg
http://picbg.net/img.php?file=01497d3c5662d414.jpg
http://picbg.net/img.php?file=d62fe665caecf1f8.jpg
GPS only, no Wi-Fi!!! Test was done outside with good view of the sky. I admit, not the best signal, but for a device with full metal back plate, Woohoo
BC series, WW update, never rooted.
your locks are on the order of ~20m accuracy which might as well be a wifi triangulation... It is useless for navigation so it wouldn't make a difference whether or not you have wifi on.
If you really want to test your GPS:
+ turn off WIFI
+ get in your car
+ start driving
And see if it can maintain your position correctly without loosing it all the time. Ppl usually just test it stationary and yes then it might be able to get a lock on some birds after some time but the second you start moving around mine lost it.
Anyway that was the main reason i sent it back for a full refund, to be honest for a 600€ device i actually expect this to work flawless.
TEmp69 said:
If you really want to test your GPS:
+ turn off WIFI
+ get in your car
+ start driving
And see if it can maintain your position correctly without loosing it all the time. Ppl usually just test it stationary and yes then it might be able to get a lock on some birds after some time but the second you start moving around mine lost it.
Anyway that was the main reason i sent it back for a full refund, to be honest for a 600€ device i actually expect this to work flawless.
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I tried this and got pretty decent results. Only tried for 2 mins when I got my C2 the other day, and not yet upgraded to ICS. I was picking up 5 at the most with 2 locking on and off.
Gonna try it with the latest .14 update soon.
didnt work with .11 not with .13 and neither with .14 havent been able to get a gps lock even once in last 1 month..
i tried stationary, in car, with google maps, with gps status app, no luck....
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not working, but I don't care
Not working on mine. WiFi off, GPS on, used GPS Status from the market and got nothing after more than 5 minutes outside on a clear, cloudless day. My Xoom got locks while still inside, and once outside, locked onto 9 satellites. My Verizon Galaxy Nexus locked inside and out fast.
But, I am not concerned about GPS not working. My gnex has it, and I use that when on the road. I have 6 primes (for myself and the people that work for me). We all agreed that the lack of working GPS is not an issue, they all wanted quad core!
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Turned wifi and bluetooth off, enabled performance mode. Screenshot taken on my balcony after 3 minutes of connection. However the gps is unstable, it keeps loosing sats and reconnect, but never drops completely.
WW, .14, not rooted, C10KAS...
My one was working well with .11. It worked well with Aura under 100km/h driving.
However, after upgraded to .14, no signal at all!!!
C1 series, WW, rooted.......
Nothing at all using .14. Tested against my Galaxy S2.
Someone, please shoot me in the head for clicking on this thread. I keep promising myself not to click on threads that discuss the Prime's GPS, but I keep breaking that promise like a crack addict.
I keep telling myself: "But everyone HAS TO KNOW that GPS on the Prime is not and never will be suitable for navigation, nor will the Prime ever offer GPS that's competitive with some other Android tablet offerings. They HAVE TO. And since ASUS is now offering direct returns and refunds for people unhappy with the GPS, anybody who wants their tablet to function as a navigational device should have already moved on to something else. Thus, any new thread on the GPS simply CANNOT be worth clicking on."
One day I'll learn...