Today, I just brought my wife's prime to Bestbuy fto be put to sleep and got refunded (reboots, lags, locks) and when my third exchange prime arrives next week, Im going directly to Bestbuy without opening the box and get a refund. We decided it was way too much headache for all its worth. Wed rather wait for an actual stable tablet with all the working specs described to be released, than deal with this. It was a fun ride, hope to not deal with this again.
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@OP
Just wait a couple months. Some people like being early adopters with all the trials & tribulations, most don't. Get it when ICS comes pre-installed.
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@OP
Just wait a couple months. Some people like being early adopters with all the trials & tribulations, most don't. Get it when ICS comes pre-installed.
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Yup, there should plenty to choose from in a few months or so. Hopefully, there is a bright light for the prime TF201T. Gonna be interesting how this all ends.
@tylermaciaszek: I could say the same thing about your post. Why is this in the wrong section?
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Yup, there should plenty to choose from in a few months or so. Hopefully, there is a bright light for the prime TF201T. Gonna be interesting how this all ends.
@tylermaciaszek: I could say the same thing about your post. Why is this in the wrong section?
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why is what in the wrong section?
Understandable. Like e.mote said, just wait till this all blows over. I'm sure you'll be back as there aren't any good comparable tablets coming till around June or so. Maybe ipad3 before then. I THINK I can understand some folks dislikes. If I had to return my tablet multiple times or get faulty ones, I'd do the same also.
MAYBE just for kicks, you should open up your new box on the way. You never know. THAT might just be the oone you've been looking for. CHANCES are very high it will be a great tablet like mines
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MAYBE just for kicks, you should open up your new box on the way. You never know. THAT might just be the oone you've been looking for. CHANCES are very high it will be a great tablet like mines
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Hehehe, tempting to peek but Ill just lay it to rest. Plus I have friends who still have the prime who are ok with its flaws. Who knows maybe Ill see you guys in the TF700T thread if that one looks more promising than the others available .
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Today, I just brought my wife's prime to Bestbuy fto be put to sleep and got refunded (reboots, lags, locks) and when my third exchange prime arrives next week, Ima let you finish but blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Cool story bro.
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Wed rather wait...
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If you're looking for something to hold you over for a couple of months, Staple's will have the Lenovo K1 32GB for $279 starting tomorrow. That's the lowest I've seen for a 10" tablet since Black Friday. Look at it this way, you can get a whole tablet for $130 more than a Prime keyboard. The specs are decent and, at that price, you can sell it later for pretty much what you paid for it. People seem to like it and it has root but not a lot of dev support. A good deal for people looking for a temporary tablet until the TF700 or something else comes out.
http://slickdeals.net/f/3852304-Live-again-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Tablet-K1-279-99-at-Staples-starting-1-22?
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/ideapad/
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That's a good call. The TF201 isn't a tablet to be used day to day. My pathetic Dell Streak 7 out performs both of ours in stability, wifi speed and distance, and gps signal reception.
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If you're looking for something to hold you over for a couple of months, Staple's will have the Lenovo K1 32GB for $279 starting tomorrow. That's the lowest I've seen for a 10" tablet since Black Friday. Look at it this way, you can get a whole tablet for $130 more than a Prime keyboard. The specs are decent and, at that price, you can sell it later for pretty much what you paid for it. People seem to like it and it has root but not a lot of dev support. A good deal for people looking for a temporary tablet until the TF700 or something else comes out.
http://slickdeals.net/f/3852304-Live-again-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Tablet-K1-279-99-at-Staples-starting-1-22?
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/ideapad/
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That thing looks UGLYyyyyy...lol. no wonder its so cheap..look how big the dang bezel is. LOOKS like a Fisher Price-My First Tablet..lol
>Staple's will have the Lenovo K1 32GB for $279
The K1 32GB was released last Aug 23 for $499, so that's a 44% price drop in 5 months. Lenovo came into the Android tab market later than the others, but I can't imagine sales for any of them to be much better (except for Nook & KFire which aren't full Android). Must've been a bloodbath. No surprise that Lenovo CEO essentially conceded the market to iPad at CES, or that Lenovo will keep most of its new toys in China.
I don't think ICS is enough to turn things around. Google had a 1-yr start over Win8, and HC tabs flopped against iPad. So unless MS coughs up a furball, I think most vendors will go with Win8 after being burned by Android, Asus being the sole exception in trying to do both.
Below is Goog's latest Android version tracker. Honeycomb's share is 3.3% of all Android versions, as of Jan 3, 2012.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
That new Sony tablet S, wedge shaped one, had price recently dropped dramatically since its not selling to well. Seen it on circuit city.com site really cheap. Has tegra2 though. Also seen some places selling OG transformer for 299.
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>Staple's will have the Lenovo K1 32GB for $279
The K1 32GB was released last Aug 23 for $499, so that's a 44% price drop in 5 months. Lenovo came into the Android tab market later than the others, but I can't imagine sales for any of them to be much better (except for Nook & KFire which aren't full Android). Must've been a bloodbath. No surprise that Lenovo CEO essentially conceded the market to iPad at CES, or that Lenovo will keep most of its new toys in China.
I don't think ICS is enough to turn things around. Google had a 1-yr start over Win8, and HC tabs flopped against iPad. So unless MS coughs up a furball, I think most vendors will go with Win8 after being burned by Android, Asus being the sole exception in trying to do both.
Below is Goog's latest Android version tracker. Honeycomb's share is 3.3% of all Android versions, as of Jan 3, 2012.
http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/platform-versions.html
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Android isn't going anywhere..lol No real threat from win8. Win8 is Microsoft last chance to make an impression in mobile community. WIN8 not gonna make as much of an impact as some might think. THEIR requirements are crazy for devices that are allowed to run it. Have you seen them yet? Very strict guidelines. One thing good about that though is that it will try to limit fragmentation with those guidelines. MARKETS are geared more to the younger tl middle age user. IF WIN8 doesn't produce some really good games, it'll flop for sure. Apple n Android best n most money making apps are games. SO with that alone, apple n android has clear advantage, headstsrt. N established fan n developer base
My wife was looking at the Galaxy 10 tab, but I dont see the point in spending that much when others are coming up with tegra 3 in a few months for the same price range. I have enough devices here anyways to last me for a few months. As long as I have my desktop, laptop, and my playstation MW3 I can wait. My wife can just share with our 2 yr old's jailbroken ipad2. Actually, the prime was our first venture into the andriod platform coming from an apple iphone 3gs and ipad2.
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That new Sony tablet S, wedge shaped one, had price recently dropped dramatically since its not selling to well.
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It dropped $100 to $399 (16GB) and $499 (32GB).
WIN8 not gonna make as much of an impact as some might think.
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Look at the dearth of apps for Android tablets. Slow sales = slow app development. No one has any idea how well or poorly W8 tablets will do. Corporations will buy them in large quantities because of security and app compatibility with Dynamics, Win Server, and Exchange.
Android isn't going anywhere..
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You're absolutely right, and that's the problem. Consumers looking for high-end tablets buy iPads. Look at what fire sale pricing did for the TP. HP passed Samsung to be the best selling non-Apple tablet through Q3-11. When Q4 numbers are released you'll see the KF at number one. $399+ tablets make up less than 15% of non-Apple tablets sold. As the TP and KF have proven, price sells non-Apple tablets, not features. Why do you think Asus priced the 7" at $249? That's why it's kind of funny that people assume now that it's past X-Mas that there's going to be some ongoing Prime shortage.
Through Q3-11, there were an estimated 3.5MM HC+ tablets activated. Using that number, Asus has sold 350K tablets all-in through Q3. It's going to take more than faster processors and ICS for premium Android tablets to suddenly become desirable for the average consumer. For reference, Apple sold 11.2MM iPads in Q4 alone.
Earlier this week, Andy Rubin said 190 million Android devices have been activated. Google’s dashboard currently shows 1.8 percent of devices hitting the Market run Android 3.0 or better. That works out to 3.42 million Android Honeycomb tablets.
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look how big the dang bezel is. LOOKS like a Fisher Price-My First Tablet..lol
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Really? The same could be said comparing the Prime to the G-Tab.
ACTUALLY win7 apps n previous versions are not backwards compatible with new win8. THEY could be ported but even Microsoft themselves recommend against a port. THEY said it would be better to start from scratch with win8. IT probably will all come down to pricing. BUT you can expect, with Microsoft strict guidelines and system/tablet spec requirements, that win8 tablets will be the most expensive out of all tablets. HAve you seen the released spec guidelines? That no device can run win8 without them. ITS crazy and it won't be cheap, I can almost guarantee it. I CAN post those spec requirements if needed. Then you will see how expensive its going to be..lmfao APple already has itself established and growing in the business place. THEN apple just released that digital textbook feature. ANDROID n win8 need to worry about apple, not each other.
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It dropped $100 to $399 (16GB) and $499 (32GB).
Look at the dearth of apps for Android tablets. Slow sales = slow app development. No one has any idea how well or poorly W8 tablets will do. Corporations will buy them in large quantities because of security and app compatibility with Dynamics, Win Server, and Exchange.
You're absolutely right, and that's the problem. Consumers looking for high-end tablets buy iPads. Look at what fire sale pricing did for the TP. HP passed Samsung to be the best selling non-Apple tablet through Q3-11. When Q4 numbers are released you'll see the KF at number one. $399+ tablets make up less than 15% of non-Apple tablets sold. As the TP and KF have proven, price sells non-Apple tablets, not features. Why do you think Asus priced the 7" at $249? That's why it's kind of funny that people assume now that it's past X-Mas that there's going to be some ongoing Prime shortage.
Through Q3-11, there were an estimated 3.5MM HC+ tablets activated. Using that number, Asus has sold 350K tablets all-in through Q3. It's going to take more than faster processors and ICS for premium Android tablets to suddenly become desirable for the average consumer. For reference, Apple sold 11.2MM iPads in Q4 alone.
Earlier this week, Andy Rubin said 190 million Android devices have been activated. Google’s dashboard currently shows 1.8 percent of devices hitting the Market run Android 3.0 or better. That works out to 3.42 million Android Honeycomb tablets.
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Really? The same could be said comparing the Prime to the G-Tab.
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PRIME is an all around better looking device than galaxy tab. And thinner n lighter. . New Toshiba should have both beat in thinness and weight once it drops. PRIme already feels too thin n light compared to my Ipad. I wouldn't want anything thinner.
Yeah, upon observation. Price is the driving force of an android device, best bang for the buck. KF had price and tv ads spot great stocking stuffers at a reasonable price. To think about it, I dont think I have seen a 10 android tablet have tv spot light other than the ipad2.
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ACTUALLY win7 apps n previous versions are not backwards compatible with new win8. THEY could be ported but even Microsoft themselves recommend against a port. THEY said it would be better to start from scratch with win8.
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Unless you work for a Fortune 500 company, you're really not in a position to comment on MS' roadmap for using enterprise apps on tablets. My IT department has had the the development specs and API's for either porting or developing tablet apps to work with GP, Dynamics, SharePoint, and Exchange for over two months. Along with human resources to work with at MS for pre-dervelopment.
Android was never adopted for corporate use and there's no question MS will get a foot hold in tablets via their s/w that's already imbedded in every major corporation. Why do you think big corporate PC sellers like Dell and HP have already embraced Windows tablets? How W8 tablets fair in the consumer market is a totally different story. But with corporate purchases in the tens of millions manufacturers unit costs will be driven down tremendously so h/w prices aren't going to be the issue.
I agree about Win's advantage of having a huge existing userbase. But much uncertainty still exists with Win8. I think we'll get a clearer picture come next month when Win8 beta is released.
Ditto with Android. ICS ties together phones & tabs, but it doesn't address Android's many fundamental holes that need to be filled to compete as a productivity OS (like built-in networking, for one). Goog I/O in June should give an indication.
I'm hoping we will some sort of a roadmap on how tabs will evolve to be the next bona fide PC form factor from the Apple/MS/Goog trifecta. But realistically I think all those concerned are still muddling through the vision thing. I expect mainly trial-and-error until then. Win8 will be such a release.
I'm wondering about OS XI. Apple surely isn't standing idly by and let its PC lines wither. I think we'll really see blood in the waters then.
Demandarin brought up the issue of gaming on Android, which is kind of an interesting topic. There's a trend in mobile games toward freemium, ie free but with in-app payment (IAP) for continued play. Shadowgunner is going freemium for its next release.
While ostensibly sensible in concept, current implementations are less than endearing. And total amount of IAPs per any particular game can be high, much higher than the normal $5 avg price for mobile games. Suffice it to say gamers aren't happy with it.
I see a couple of reasons for this. One, because placements in app stores are typically based on popularity, free/freemium games are naturally more popular and get much more visibility than paid games. Two, it's an effective ward against piracy, given the weak DRM in place for Android, and the resulting rampant piracy of Android apps. It'll be interesting to see where this trends leads to.
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Interested in knowing what ASUS is up to for the rest of the year when it comes to the subject of tablets? You’re in luck because at a press event in Taipei today, Samson Hu, the Vice President and General Manager of the Eee Systems Business Unit revealed the company’s tablet roadmap for 2012.
The Transformer Prime will also be getting a 3G version sometime this March and it will pack a more powerful GPS module. At CES, ASUS will be unveiling a 7″ tablet (rumored to be the ASUS Memo) and a 10″ with a high resolution display (could be a completely new tablet or the upgraded Transformer Prime with 3G and better GPS). There are also two more 10″ tablets slated for the second half of 2012.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/01/asus-tablet-roadmap-2012-revealed/
the fact that Asus is basically doubling it android division to like 400 or more employees and Windows 8 division will only have 150 employees doesn't look too good for Windows 8 at the moment. Clearly shows their focus is mainly on Android. Either way once Windows 8 releases, we will be able to load it up on Prime or dual boot. I'd rather be able to do that vs. a single OS device only. We already got Backtrack5(Hacker Linux) running on Prime so outlook looks good.
I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
adampdx said:
I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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+1 on that, even if I realize I'm lucky being Italian, which means that I had the chance to see various reactions and enough time to decide whether going for the Prime or not. Obviously, if Asus will announce the Prime 3G at CES, I'll wait for it since I have an Acer Iconia A500 in the meanwhile.
adampdx said:
I feel like this is the bait and switch. They put out the Prime, it sells like hot cakes but disappoints some users. Then they learn from their mistakes at the cost of the consumer and introduce new products to correct the mistakes.
I'm really trying to be positive about this whole thing, but this really makes it difficult. This is where competition really bites the consumer in the ass.
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It wasn't "bait and switch", unless the ONLY reason you bought a TFP was for the GPS. If you did, that's just sad...
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How is this bait and switch? Would you prefer that the next product they come out with still have the same problems some have complained about? I'm glad they're learning and are willing to put that knowledge to use on the next product. If companies didn't do that, we'd all be driving Model A cars.
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
one will be called the transformer light! tf201x and tf201xg (found this info in the honeycomb system files!)
I am thinking they might go with maybe a 10.1 inch, higher than 1080p screen made of superlight plastic along with a super IPS++ display! Kinda like how you had a DS lite! along with 2gb of ram...... Hopefully it will be able to be used with the same dock as the tf201!
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That's true. But what if they released the Model A, and then six months later released an updated Model A with more features? The people who bought the first Model A might feel burned. OK, I'm done being negative. I agree with your point of view, and I believe that progress is good. Sorry, super tired and still struggling with all of the buggers in the General forum that are trying really hard to make people not enjoy this super awesome tablet. I wish there was a "View Positive Posts Only" option in the XDA.
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I get what you're saying.
(I do want to point out though that it was almost the exact scenario between the first Model A and the first Model B...it was about 6 months between their releases back in 1903/1904.)
You just have to bite the bullet on technology purchases in general; find yourself something you want to buy, then realize that just after you unboxed it, it's no longer the top dog anymore.
I think what Adam is trying to say is it sucks doing research and sinking hard earned money into something that 6 months later will be yesterdays news. I know that's the way it goes but still kind of disappointing. I'm looking for that complete product. Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
On another front for those RMA'ing the Prime for GPS issues and ASUS saying they will fix, could they be putting in a Beefier GPS like what's in the upcoming ones? Just a thought.
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That is kind of weird, I would expect them to put more people on windows instead of android. I love android for what it is but I feel like windows is just a much more complete platform. I mean its a little early to judge how well windows 8 is going to run on ARM systems, if its anything close to the windows 8 I installed on my eee slate (ULV i5), then I think it's going be incredible.
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Gets expensive ebaying the old and sinking several hundred into another new product.
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The unfortunate cost of surfing the front wave of technology, right?
i plan on waiting for CES then if something cooler with way better specs comes out I will RMA my dock and tablet plus case to amazon (will only lose about 100 bucks...)
But they catch is it needs to be out within a few weeks after CES!
But anyways we all know we will have tegra4 this summer! kael+ so yeah technology is always moving forward! they never stop and try to squeeze all they life out of it like Game consoles have (ps3 and xbox now 5 years old!)
You just gotta get something stick with your purchase and be happy! then in a year to a year and a half sell it and buy something new!
I plan on buying the Galaxy Nexus when it is released on sprint! even though the next nexus will probaly be out 8 months later!
But i badly need the replacement i cant stand my evo 4g that wont charge unless you hold down the cord! its a pain in the but!
Plus i know the galaxy nexus software will be supported for atleast 20 months long enough to get me to my next upgrade!!
So if you want it buy it basically you cant stop better stuff from coming out!
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Those in the U.S., unless offered by a carrier, a 3G Prime will do you absolutely no good. HTC, LG, Sony, Acer, Archos, Samsung, and Motorola all already offer carrier-free 3G tablets, none of which are available in the U.S. You can import a 3G Prime from overseas but it'll cost you $700ish. If you get a carrier version, you'll either pay $700ish or have to commit to a two year data plan to get a subsidized price. So unless Asus does something that they nor any manufacturer have never done before, bring a 3G device to the U.S. without carrier support, the 3G announcement doesn't mean a whole lot here. And the iPad's not a relevant comparison. Apple dictates what the carriers do, not vice versa. Asus isn't Apple.
As for a higher spec 10" tablet that makes all the sense in the world. With the Lenovo and Acer already announced with higher-res displays, more RAM, and faster processors, Asus should offer a more premium tablet priced higher than the Prime to compete. Display resolution (whether it matters or not) is going to be the hot topic in tablets in 2012. Venturing a guess, I'd say the premium tablet won't have a keyboard dock still leaving that as the Prime's biggest singular feature.
In spite of all issues I am still buying prime. Why? I don't care about gps - i didn't intend to use it as gps-turn-by-turn device anyway, I love its performance, I love the fact, that we will get unlock tool, I hope we as xda-community will be able to run Win8 and Ubuntu on it.
In regard to other announced primes:
- 3g version - I have good internet plan on my mobile, even now I am just ad-hoc connected from my eee 1000he, i dont plan to sign any other contract for mobile carriers. They are literary robbing me every month anyway .
- HD version in H2. If it is announced for H2, it will be avalible in the week before Christmas in Q4, not a day sooner. I need tablet earlier.
HD screen? Why would you need it? -For movies? -For Christ sake it's a tablet, go to your living room and watch a move on 47'' LCD! If you are away from home - 720p should suffice.
can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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Programs that currently run on Windows under x86/x64 technology won't run under the ARM version of Windows unless someone compiles a version specifically for ARM processors. In fact most information out there states that the classic desktop interface won't be available on the ARM devices, only the metro interface.
Its pretty screwey for a company to release improved versions of a tablet (in less than 6 months).
A lot of Primes have major defects (GPS is broken on all primes but GPS isnt the only defect some primes have), i was lucky and finally got one that seems perfect so far but I had to order two, first one was crap (bad wifi,bad bluetooth,slow performance,long bootup time,screen bleed and a lot of FCs in apps).
Even apple gives people at least a year before they drop on a new and improved product. To me it def sounds like bait and switch sales tactics...
Oh well, my prime now is working well (i don't need gps) and i don't see a reason to upgrade for at least a year.
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can't wait for windows 8 tablets I will be first in line to get one I really have a lot of games and programs that will only run on windows that I would love to have on tablet.
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See this is why windows 8 tablet edition is doomed.
The majority of people honestly believe they'll be getting the same windows they'd be getting on a desktop or laptop.
Windows 8 tablet is ARM, not x86. Meaning that you will only be able to run things developed or ported for ARM. You will NOT be able to just run any windows program.
It's yet another OS that needs things written for it specifically trying to play catch up with android and apples app market. I can't see it being useful at all for at least 6 months unless it's incredibly easy to port apps over, and I'm guessing it won't be considering you're looking at different APIs between OSes.
The only leg up this thing has over RIM, HP, and anyone else running something non ios/android is windows has name recognition and large market share in the x86 world. I imagine a lot of folks will be pissed to discover their exes won't just work on a tablet win8 though since I see folks constantly getting this wrong.
One of the things I like about the Prime is the price: $499 is still an industry-leading price for a leading-edge tablet with 32GB storage. I'm guessing that any sort of uber-Prime (HD screen, 2GB RAM, etc.) will be considerably more expensive.
I'm willing to go $650 for the Prime+keyboard dock. Anything more than that and I'd just bite the bullet and step up to an ultrabook and Kindle Fire combo.
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[The Asus $249 quad-core tablet. Tegra 3]
I'll wait for this to hit. Too much of a sour taste in my mouth over the NT. This will DESTROY the NT sales. Now to post this on the BN site.
http://ces.cnet.com/2300-33378_1-10010865.html?tag=contentMain;mGalleryUL
The Transformer Prime TF700T will likely be the first tablet released to sport a 2.3-million-pixel, 1,920x1,200 screen. For those keeping count, that's more than twice the pixel count of any previous tablets, which top out at 1,280x800 (1.02 millions pixels).
Read more: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-33378_1-10010873.html?tag=contentMain;mGalleryUL#ixzz1j4p6uOSt
i have to say, this tablet is tempting - esp for the price. i wish there was a release date mentioned though. i've really gotten used to having the nook tablet and would hate to return it and wait for months for the asus to be released.
i thought i read the march thru june time frame but i cannot find that reference anywhere.... soon(tm)
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PHP:
[The Asus $249 quad-core tablet. Tegra 3]
I'll wait for this to hit. Too much of a sour taste in my mouth over the NT. This will DESTROY the NT sales.
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Ha ha, no.
This will not "destroy" Nook Tablet sales. The Asus may be big among tech types, but the NT wasn't made for tech types. It was made for moms and grandmas. The fact that it can be hacked means nothing to the target audience. The Asus won't cut into NT sales at all. Nook has way better name recognition and that's really all that matters to people considering something like the Nook. If they can't afford an ipad, they'll want a nook or a kindle, because that's the thing everyone has heard of. No one's ever going to go "hey wait, this model from a company I've barely heard of does more than the nook." They're going to go with the tab that has the most name recognition and publicity. It's the same reason people buy ipads when they could get tabs that do a lot more, for a lot less. Specs don't matter to the tablet layman. People like that just want what they've heard of and what everyone else has.
Again, for tech types, the Asus tab may blow the Nook out of the water. But most people considering the nook aren't tech types. As such, I'm guessing the Asus won't affect Nook sales even slightly.
Great. All that remains is: When?
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt
Bye
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Lets hope they don't lock the bootloader.
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Lets hope they don't lock the bootloader.
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That'd be a kick in the teeth, wouldn't it?
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The bootloader on the Transformer prime was locked so i wouldnt put it past asus to lock the 7incher as well
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Nook has way better name recognition and that's really all that matters to people considering something like the Nook.
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Don't forget Asus kicked ass among the non-techie crowd with netbooks. I'd argue that not only do they have better name recognition than the Nook, they have far better marketing and product distribution as well.
It's too early to tell for sure, but if any company could make a cheap tablet as successful as they made cheap netbooks, it's Asus.
Meanwhile, B&N strikes me as a company that can barely manage to sell anything even to people that wanted the Nook Tablet.
With Amazon the Kindle is a highly recognized brand, but the Nook is far less so from what I've seen. I find that when people see the NT, they tend to ask "Hey, is that that new Kindle?" When told it's a Nook, the most common reaction is "The what...?"
great news
but maybe a long time to wait
It does sound awfully tempting, but I'm going to hold onto my NT and, depending on how at Asus tablet does, sell my NT on Craigslist and upgrade.
A locked bootloader is less of a problem when you aren't locking normal features down in your own ROM. Leave my sideloading and USB host intact, and my need for hacks decreases dramatically. But for the record, they released an official unlocker tool on the prime at the cost of voiding your warranty, so you have options.
This is INCREDIBLY tempting. Has anyone returned their NT under the extended holiday return policy? Is it as simple as saying "I don't want it", because I'm really feeling buyer's remorse for the first time. There doesn't seem to be any upside to NT at all (other than that it is available today, not a quarter from now).
$250 for more features with fewer restrictions...
Yes. Many of us have returned it without any problems.
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my kids want tablets, and i know damn well that tablets will be in their schools sooner or later, so i think i'll probably get the asus 7" OR the transformer prime in 3-4 months(read after tax refund)
Sounds great, expect for the fact that it probably won't be released until this summer, if not later. In the meantime, I shall continue to enjoy my nook tablet.
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It does sound awfully tempting, but I'm going to hold onto my NT and, depending on how at Asus tablet does, sell my NT on Craigslist and upgrade.
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That's the way I feel. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Something always happens... crappy wi-fi, delayed launch, price had to go up, propriatary cables, ect... I wouldn't count on it until I see it.
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my kids want tablets, and i know damn well that tablets will be in their schools sooner or later, so i think i'll probably get the asus 7" OR the transformer prime in 3-4 months(read after tax refund)
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Yeah because little kids really need quad-core *tablets*...
I still can't believe people think tablets are real productivity devices. Not trying to single you out here, but a laptop is infinitely better for productivity. Tablets, at their core, are entertainment (movies, music, reading, internet, games) devices with the ability for extremely light information gathering.
The thing that alarms me the most is that people seem to forget that instead of using a lot of these gadgets for schoolwork, kids will most likely just use them for games. At least when I was in grade school we had Math Blaster and that reading adventure game.
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Yeah because little kids really need quad-core *tablets*...
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Well actually, he never said his kids were little. They could be teenagers, in which case I'd think a tablet would be right up their alley.
Also, what's wrong with owning a device that's not solely focused on productivity? Laptops are great but tablets are also really fun. And now that they're dropping in price, I can see why more parents would want to get them for their kids. Especially when you consider the fact that most kids probably want an ipad, which is super expensive AND unproductive. I can see $200 tabs being a nice alternative for parents who want to get their kids tablets without paying ipad prices.
They are 7,7(bg twins) and 10
3 private schools in my area- one of which boys only- are currently switching to tablet only instead of books - BECAUSE- they weighed the books a senior in highschool needed...41lbs of books & the cost to parents was 975 dollars JUST FOR THE BOOKS.
one of my friends is an athletic director/health science teacher and he uses his tablet(an ipad) for every class. it hooks into his overhead projector/display, he takes attendance, has all his notes, classwork, Everything is on his ipad for his work, ALL the teachers for the school are using them.
the state of maine is in the process of switching over, burlington ma the schools are all switching over, several schools are phasing in tablets, with a few starting as young as kindergarten.
by the time my 7yr olds graduate from high school, i predict that about half the country will be tablet only for schools
I've owned an original TF and a Prime ( returned last week due to ongoing issues with the device). Was wondering about total sales of the unit. Do think that the TF101 was a home run for ASUS, and think that the Prime will do well once they resolve the issues. I do recall statements back in the summer of 2011 of 400K per month being shipped, and recent news that ASUS may hit 6M units for 2012. I also remember quite well how the TF101 was the top item within the Amazon market for weeks on end for it's category.
Today i looked at the 3Q 2011 Investor Conference (pdf) available on Asus website.
Couple of things that stood out;
Page 13 Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Page 30 EeePad Business Result total volume shipped 1.6(e) and 85% of that being the TF101
As an aside it looks like Amazon sold at least 3M of the Kindle Fire in 2011. The Zoom and Playbook were a flop not hitting 1M units, I couldn't find data for Samsung
Ipad sales for 2011 40M
40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
in one month from what I can tell they produced 150k-250k transformer primes and docks in some distribution! so they are doing great! it was probaly more like 2-3 weeks because of the hardware change
also you cant count the kindle fire as it was only sold for a maybe a quater
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime. I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts (ie the thrive, Sony, touchpad, play book, zoom and even the galaxy tab) it also seemed to win numerous awards for best product.
The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
OK, went and checked out the Asus Q3 investor glossy: Q2 = 400K, Q3 = 800K, Q4 = 600K est. No surprises, other than that the Americas got lumped into the "other" category, which comprised only 14% of Asus global sales. EU slurped 40%.
>4Q sales would have impacted the tf101 because people would have been waiting for the prime
Doubt it. Q4 (CY, not FY) would be Oct-Nov-Dec, and Prime was only a glimmer in hardcore techies' eyes at that point. Heck, Prime is not even in wide availability yet.
>I'd say it was a home run because it was one of the only droid tablets that didn't have to offer steep discounts
TF101 was on BF sale for $250, and periodically available in Nov/Dec for around $300. Discount wasn't as steep as other Teg2s since its starting price was lower ($400). But all Teg2s were in bargain bin.
>The 1.2m units was 2Q and 3Q combined the tf101 was only released in2Q 2011
Yep, caught that. But drop from 800 to 600 MoM is still pretty crap, especially going into Q4, which should be the best Q of the year. Then again, other Asus product categories also show flat or slight decrease, so I suppose it depends on how rev is reported.
Relative to other Android tabs, I'd have to give Samsung the crown for 2011, then Asus, then, uh, Moto I guess (they cleared 1M for the year). Acer took a bath. Tosh & Lenovo were johnny-come-latelies and didn't matter much. Oh yeah, Amazon KFire and Nook LCDs took a chunk (40% of total Android tab sales).
News of the prime started to hit YouTube when Nov? Or was it earlier. It seemed that every other day back then something was getting leaked via fb or YouTube or a press conference, I'll still say that would have impacted sales of tablets, addin the fact that people were shopping deals and yeah sales were lowing then the previous quarter. And yes we saw that bf sale of 249, but bf like boxing day sales here in Canada are not reflective of price pressure on a product IMHO
Samsung may very well have done quite well, having a 3G unit in wide release sure would have helped. But they did get shut out of some parts of th eu and Australia for some time. Add in what they must have spent on advertising and litigation and I'll stand by my statement that the tf101 performed marginally better
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/28/motorola-xoom-tablet-sales
Edit first news of a new tf prime was mid oct 2011
People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad. Everyone has heard of it, everyone knows what it can do.
When i worked at (electronics store) i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was. Most people were very interested in its expanded capability compared to the iPad but there just was no marketing.
The prime has recieved a bit more play, few more people asking about it but lack of stock and few stores carry it in my area, compared to everywhere that carries the iPad.
There is a reason apple wins awards for their advertising, they sink a lot of time and money into it, and it works. Samsung is STARTING to have a higher profile around here but generally Asus is stuck on the sidelines. Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
>i'd ask people if they heard about the transformer and only one person out of everyone i asked even knew what it was
Here's public awareness in a microcosm: Back in July, when I let my 6-yr old niece play with my Nook Color, she went "Oh you got an iPad!" Fast-forward a few months to Nov, when handed same NC, she went "Oh I love your Kindle!"
So yeah, we're getting there eventually...
>Think about how much advertising there is for the iPad.
It's not advertising. Apple doesn't need any. Every move it makes (or doesn't make) is frontline news in every tech blog, and even mainstream news. Them's the perks of being king of the hill.
>Soon as the prime is in mainstream advertising and people know how much power / potential it has over the iPad it will sell more.
May be it'll include a Press here for GPS lock sticker. (OK I stole this off another guy...)
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>Actual shipments for EPAD 2Q 2011 & 3Q 2011 total 1.2M and estimated for 4Q were 0.6M
Am wondering how this is a "home run." Est Q4 unit sales is half that of Q3. Revenue is probably worse, since most Android tabs were hitting the bargain bins in Oct.
BTW, Apple announced iPad Q4 unit sales were 15.43M.
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People don't follow rumors of gadget launches; only the hardcore peeps do. Prime was NOT on sale in Q4. A few early adopters got it early, but even now it's not yet widely available. Don't assume that the mainstream is as gung-ho about Android tabs, or the Prime specifically, as those here.
Let's be honest, all HC tabs flopped. One can quibble whether the TF101 flopped less, but same diff. A home run, it wasn't. As for Prime, well, let's just say that its debut was less than auspicious.
We all hope that ICS will be the silver bullet. Personally, I doubt it. But it should be good enough to stay in the mix. As has been said, it's a marathon. I'm already over ICS, and am looking forward to J-wazzit.
One thing I'll give Asus is that it is leading the Android tab charge, even if by its lonesome self. My read of Shih (CEO) dude is that he thinks of Asus as an avant-garde co, and he's trying to recreate the netbook magic, which Asus was at the forefront of. As mentioned in the glossy, Asus will also lead the Win8 charge, so it'll have its hands full. Perhaps why it dropped the ball on the Prime.
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Fair enough on only the few following the rumors but the 4Q reported are estimates it will be a month or so before we know what sales were. As for the net book market the Zen seems to be getting some good press.
I do wonder tho why such a shortage of Primes I mean I think they've been out for what 6 weeks, and even if they were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k. If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus have at least 250k on release with a supply chain that can deliver 500k a month
There seems to be little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics, or having enough inventory to meet demand. And when one considers that they sold a million units last yr, why would they be performing like this is new territory to them.
As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
You're right the HC tablets were overall a flop and did not so much as bruise Apple (let alone morph into iPad killers)
>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
The TF101 was one of the few Tegra 2 tablets that sold very well. In fact it is one of the top rated tablets of 2011.
As for shortages, take a look at the iPad 2 launch! The iPad 2 was so back ordered that Apple met demand 2 months after the initial launch.
Asus is moving in a very lucrative area for Tablets and they know it. Their 2012 estimates for Tablets and Ultrabooks are very enthusiastic.
Maybe the bottleneck is the Tegra 3 chip itself? Does anyone know nVidia's production numbers on it?
The best part of ICS is less fragmentation. Software is as key as hardware.
iOS gets more development because of numbers of units but also they only have 2 devices to support not 980+
The interesting thing is for us old timers, Android is the apple of the 80's and apple is IBM.
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>Zen seems to be getting some good press.
The Zenbook is lost in the Ultrabook deluge, if CES is any indication. Jury is still out whether the public will pay the (vastly) increased premiums over existing laptops, just to get the Macbook Air clone look. My SWAG: In Intel's wet dreams.
>and even if they [Prime] were selling a 100k a week that's still only 600k
Thousands. May be low tens of.
more reason that we shouldn't see such shortages
>If apple can produce and have ready a million units for a launch why wouldnt ASus
It takes time to ramp up production. From rumor mill, iPad 3 component production has already started months ago. Remember, aluminum unibody is new for Asus. The RF thing is part of the teething process. Early adopters = beta testers.
What? no one in the R&D dept heard of the same issues the iPhone had?
>little planning on either the testing of the product, the testing of ics
To be fair, ICS schedule is out of Asus' hands. Goog is not being vendor friendly. The late ICS release caused vendors to miss out on Xmas season. Ditto with HC last year.
Then ASUS should have held off and ignored the cries for ICS until it was ready for wide release, hell why not simply offer it for those gung hoe geeks that had to have ICS but also have a way to go back to HC. HC has been relatively stable on the TF101
I think in a couple of months, teething issues should be resolved, and Prime should be in prime shape. Be proud to be a member of the Asus Beta Testing Team!
No Thanks.....Sure i may Beta test an OS on an old box to see what's coming down the pipe, but when it comes to a tablet, phone, netbook etc I'm not doing the work for either a lazy nor cheap company.
>As for the new t700 I don't see how that will gain much traction in the market the price point is just too high
It depends how iPad 3 w/ QXGA will be priced. TF700 (sans dock) will be same or less.
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There has to be a compelling reason to not go with Apple, and I don't think that simply not liking them is a large enough market. Android, RIM, Windows8 etc have to meet or exceed Apple on price, features, integration, stability to have a chance of being more then niche products.
There is some potential that Windows8 devices will have a significant impact , part of me is doubtful they (Microsoft) seem to be more reactive then innovative, but (big BUT) if they can bring a device to market that has the features, battery life, integration with the DT and corporate IT infrastructures we'll see some progress in a Utopian platform
Here is a snapshot of the current Android tablet market.
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Saw that graphic last night. In the article i read the data was collected based on app usage for at least 10 seconds. It's not known AFAIK what apps Flurry is able to collect data from and some have suggested that it may be weighted to Apps available via the Amazon Store more so. Factor in the fact that when people get a new device they will be trying all kinds of apps to see the potential of the device. After time that settles down I'd expect when people have their favorites. It's not a true representation of device distribution
Things are changing for Asus
Check it out, Today I am on Targets web site looking for a vacuum, and just for kicks I click on "Comoputers and Tablets" to see what, besides the iPad and Acer Iconia they may offer, thinking I will see a Toshiba Thrive, and maybe a Nook And Kindle, but little else.
There it was, Transformer Prime, 32 Gb. Grey, IN STOCK!
What's next, Walmart?
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40M iPads sold! WOW! They have the tablet market on lock with what to me is essentially a toy. Incredible!
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why do you see it as a toy?
http://androidandme.com/2012/03/opi...to-be-made-by-asus-include-quad-core-tegra-3/
Just a rumor. Makes you wonder if this rumor is true...
Just yesterday some Asus exec mentions about Jellybean
I can see 7 in. Tegra 3 (the one they announced at CES) turning into this Android Experience Tablet at $199..... but a 10 in. tablet for $299? Not only that but Transformer Pad 300 with Tegra 3 & 10 in. display will be $399....
Not only that but if we were to guess if those 2 devices are the one Asus exec mentioned about with Jellybean.. you also have to question what Google is thinking. ICS is slowly rolling out (heck, most won't see ICS til 2nd qtr or even after).. but if this is Jellybean launch tablet.. so much for ending Fragmentation (but it makes sense if Jellybean is 4.1 or 4.2.... instead of 5.0).
Either way, you have to wonder where "Prime" will fit in if all of these RUMORS or Asus's plans with Tablets are concerned....
I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus. if rumor holds true then this will really increases their shares of android tablet market. rumor seems legit and very feasible especially since Google and Asus relationship is one of the strongest in the industry. that's why Asus leads all other manufacturers in update roll outs and having latest firmware. makes sense next Google nexus tablet is made by them as it will always have the latest firmware upgrades. plus Asus has one of the most vanilla stock firmware experiences. it doesn't slap bloatware UI like touchwize over the stock android experience.
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I found quote interesting. " ASUS has a strong relationship with Google and I’ve been extremely impressed with the Transformer Prime, so I think this 7-inch Google Experience Device could sell very well. If Amazon shipped 5 million units of their $199 tablet in one quarter, then I predict that Google could move over 10 million units in the second-half of 2012."
I think also that the original Asus memo will be scrapped for this. if not then its direct competition to their own memo tablet. is say memo idea has evolved into this Google experience tablet. they joining forces to combat kindle fire since it uses a joke of an android OS.
one thing for sure, Asus is going to have their hands full with all these different tablets. this is great for nvidia though as their chip is now seemed to be used in majority of new tablets coming out. the price range prime is at, $499, still keeps it in the game. especially when you have people like the editor saying he was very impressed with prime. I think if Prime issue is as big as we thought, Google would've realized this and wouldn't of partnered with them. seems like Google has more faith in Asus than Motorola or any other tablet maker. that in itself says alot about the confidence a company as huge as Google has towards Asus.
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Don't really care how "media" is portraying Prime. Majority of the "reviews" from the media are about the same as that author (honestly, it really is a nice device if you ignore the signal issues)...
Anyways, if Google does release a "Nexus" tablet with Asus.. it has to be "Jellybean" as "nexus" tablets are typically a "flagship/launch" device for Android. So, if Asus were to release 7 in. Tegra 3 Tablet and.. even the 10 in. Tablet this year.... you have to wonder how they will market Prime & even TF700 and Pad 300 as they are on ICS or will be launched with ICS. They could simply "upgrade" majority of their Tablets to "jellybean" if they are working closely with Google... but if true..
7 in. at $199, 10 in. at $299 & $399, Prime at $499 (with wifi/gps issues.. although, it could be solved), and TF 700 at $600+.....
So, unless Asus fixes or finds a solution to all of Prime's current issue... MOST Likely.. or the future of Prime looks bleak to me.
But yea, Nvidia should/will be happy if Asus is selected to create "nexus" tablet with Tegra 3 included. Btw, I don't think Google has more faith in Asus over other OEMs... they simply liked the "price" of 7in Memo that was presented at CES.
Aren't nexus devices fully unlocked? Doesn't Asus have a problem with that? Not if google tells them not to.
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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saw an article on that also. supposedly its the new nexus phone.
some more details on this. first the name is rumored to be the GooglePlay. 1280x800 resolution. production starts in April and shipping date is in June.
www.droidgamers.com/index.php/table...ake-the-google-qnexus-tabletq-to-be-quad-core
Think it's a win win for everybody if Google can release a Nexus tablets with a decent price.
More tablets on the market = More people that can buy and want apps = More developers that now can put in some time to do good tablet friendly Apps/Games and know that it worth the time and effort.
The Verge and Andy Rubin about tablets
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/27/2...wn-on-android-tablets-in-2012-says-andy-rubin
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i also recently saw an article that LG was ''in heavy talks with google about a nexus device". idk if that means phone, or tablet, or your new hair dryer, but im interested in seeing whats next
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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HTC made the same comment as well...
Personally... I only see it as marketing ploy (including Asus's comment on Jellybean tablet). So, take all these rumors with a grain of salt...
I personally think Google is playing a dangerous game with "Android". Google "experience" alone creates a huge boost in profit to given OEM (and the device)... & Google constantly changing or giving "selective" boost will certainly annoy the non-selected OEMs.
Anyways, it really is the "price" factor that probably attracted Google to Asus. Not because they have "faith" in Asus.... Google "experience" alone will attract a lot of customers (think of all the Nexus phones) & the global image/reputation of Samsung & Sony (not to mention their ability to battle against Apple) is probably far more attractive & can put more "faith" in them when it comes to production.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Sony is a non factor in battle against apple right now. Sony already came out n said no plans for quad core or more powerful tablets to well into 2013. they just now released that clam shell Sony dual screen tablet after like a 7 month delay. the only ones who will make a difference and look attractive are the ones who are innovating and coming out with powerful devices at a good price. only Asus fits those shoes right now. only thing innovating Samsung releasing is that Pico projector phone, which is a niche market. plus Asus has closest relationship to Google than any other manufacturer. that's why they get latest updates the fastest. if Samsung finally decides to bring down cost of over priced devices then they will look more attractive. Asus is a world leader in PC manufacturing and parts. their notebooks and motherboards aren't regarded as the industry best and won several awards for nothing. so that alone makes them attractive to Google. along with their innovating line of Transformer pads. behind HTC with their new phone, Asus was seen as the best of MWC. Samsung was basically a no show or none of their devices really drew a crowd. with apple about to launch ipad3 this week, Android better figure out something. its about to be Ipad mania all over again. their advertising campaigns has no limits. sony cant compete with Ipad by still releasing tegra2 chip new tablets..lol
plus its clear no one Android manufacturer can compete with apple toe to toe. it will take combined effort of all android manufacturers to combat apple. Android as a whole and nothing less.
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Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead. Android has none of these advantages. It's not catching on outside of phones.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
BTW, the $300 10" tab will come sooner than you think. Both Amazon and B&N are expected to launch successors to their 7" tabs this spring. Given that the main appeal for tabs is video watching, it's a safe bet that those will be 10" size, since watching vids on a 7" is pretty crappy. Both the Acer A200 and Moto Xoom Family are already selling for $350, and a barebone 10" should sell for less--ergo $300. Spring = 2-3 months away.
Of more immediate interest is the iPad 3 launch. If the latest rumor bears out, that iPad 3 will keep same pricing, then it means the TP700 will have the same $500 base price, as it can't sell for higher than the iPad 3 w/ QXGA res. If so, then Prime will disappear. TP300 will take up the lower $400 slot, and TP700 will replace Prime. We'll know in two days.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, are still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should definitely prove that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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That's my point more or less. It isn't because Google has Faith in Asus but simply the "PRICE" that was attractive to Google..
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Why is Sony a non-factor? Just because they don't plan on creating quad-core tablet (could be waiting for Qualcomm's Krait instead of jumping on to Tegra 3) doesn't mean they will be non-factor. Why does Google's Nexus tablet have to be quad-core? When it comes to BRAND/Image/Reputation... Sony is simply superior over Asus.
Samsung being a no show at MWC? Probably because they opted not to participate heavily at MWC since they plan on having their OWN Samsung EVENT (just like Apple). I think Galaxy Note was innovative.... & that's a product that's already launched & is successful. Also, Asus isn't the only OEM that has close relationship with Google.... Google will, or owns Motorola right now.. and Samsung did release first ICS Nexus phone just recently....
Winning awards at MWC or CES also means nothing. If they aren't priced accordingly, or if they aren't simple to avg. user (think of Padfone.. innovative but the market on that will be small with all the "transformation" & Galaxy Note simply provides everything that Padfone hopes to provide except the battery.. *which is only found through constant transformation*)... it'll tank. Motorola XOOM won awards at MWC & at CES.. and look at how that tanked.
Asus is world leader in PC manufacturing and parts? You can say exactly the same about SONY and Samsung. For the longest time, SONY VAIO brand was regarded as one of the highest quality.. and many of the current SAMSUNG PC lines are considered one of the finest in quality and performance.
Finally, ASUS simply cannot match Sony & Samsung when it comes to world-wide production.
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price point will be the determining factor. we know Samsung tabs are over priced and has no low end sector really. the tab is still priced higher than comparable tablets with same specs or higher. Sony just released the clamshell dual core 1Ghz processor selling it for $599. are they retarded or something. no one will pay that much for s tablet using very outdated specs.
like said before though, no single android manufacturer can compete with Apple. it will take the whole Android collective to swing the tablet shares and nothing less. just like small businesses in America the foundation, same will go for the perceived smaller tablet manufacturers. As Asus is right behind Samsung in android tablets.
So Android really needs all manufacturers to sell well. only way to do that is catch up to the times and start innovating and coming with new features that will even appeal to apple owners. plus zandroid marketplace needs a huge boost in tablet only apps and needs to dedicate its own section for that. apple just recently hit a milestone with like over 25billion app downloads. in order to compete, the apps n software needs to be a bigger factor. if android just solely focuses on hardware spec boosts, we will never beat apple.
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e.mote said:
Throwing in my 3 cents...
Sure, it sounds reasonable. Android tabs are foundering, and Goog needs to make a major move before Win8 ate its lunch (and dinner..and breakfast..). Goog's Rubin dude said as much himself at MWC.
Win8 preview has issues with integrating the WIMP UI. Mouse/keyboard frankly sucks on it, but it excels with its touch UI. It will do well against iPad, since it targets a different market. Being a full-fledged OS, it will power primary computing devices, whereas iOS/Android can only power secondary devices. Apple itself has no worry. The iPad has established a solid ecosystem, with good hardware, good adoption rates in both business and consumer, and large software base. It has the lead.
There are two ways to make people buy your wares: Make it good, or make it cheap.
Make it good: Goog can't improve Android to be a full OS overnight to compete with Win8. Similary, it can't conjure a large base of tablet-specific apps overnight. The geek set aside, hardware specs isn't that important for normal buyers. In short, the "premium" option is out.
Make it cheap: HP Touchpad and Amazon Fire have shown that cheap tabs will sell. It's a reasonable option to take a page from Amazon and launch a dirt-cheap, barebone device to jumpstart adoption rate, which will in turn get devs to start making tablet-specific apps. If Amazon and B&N can be successful in making cheap tabs, Google can too.
The point isn't to make money per device. It's to ensure Android's relevance outside of phones. That's worth spending money over.
Why Asus for its "Nexus tab"? Because most other vendors have bailed. Asus is the only one left that's actually still making new Android tabs for the mainstream market. And whereas most other vendors are still on the "iPad-parity" pricing, Asus has the angle on the cheap-but-good pricing, with the MeMo 370T. If Goog wants to go with a "cheap but good" device, Asus is the natural choice.
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>Why is Sony a non-factor?
Because it was never a factor in the tablet market. Sony's MO is premium-but-proprietary, and cheap tabs just ain't its thing.
>Samsung being a no show at MWC?
Showing wares at trade shows doesn't translate to wares on the retail shelf. A Samsung exec is on record as admitting that its tablets aren't selling well. Samsung, like Sony, is still on the "premium" strategy. 2011 should be definitive proof that you can't compete with iPad on a price-parity strategy. All of the announced Samsung wares are premium-priced, some even more than the iPad.
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I agree. price point will be the biggest factor. Samsung can't play ball with apple at their own price point or higher. only way to gain more of a stronghold is to start undercutting prices while still having comparable specs or better. Asus seems like one of the only mainstream ones who know howbto properly price devices. Acer also but even Acer themselves unsure of their Android future.
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wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
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wouldn't price point also be a factor for win8 tablets also in order to compete with Android and Apple? I'm sure win8 tablets won't be cheap considering their minimum specs to run their OS. win8 will do well with business sector because its windows. but it takes more than business sector to be successful in tablet market as shown by Apple.
how can Android or Win8/Microsoft take over and surpass Apple in tablet sales? makes you wonder if their head start and boost in tablet market has become too much to overcome. Apple could take a dump and label it the ipad3 or iphone5 and millions will eat it up. we need the loyal fan base like apple has. thing is with apple having Mac PC, MacBook, iPod, iPhone, Ipad, apple t.v. etc... they have endless amounts of money to pour into their tablets.
I think Bill Gates needs to really jump back into this scene. he was the one who actually predicted and described the original Ipad like 10years before it was ever released in a well known interview. bill gates and Microsoft alone has more than enough money to combat apple. As Microsoft is Apple arch Nemesis. they're the only ones with resources, research, and pockets deep enough to really stand a chance as a single company combating Apple. just look at how Microsoft came into the gaming scene with Xbox and took over as the best selling device here in the u.s. Sony is doing well also but for Microsoft to come out of nowhere, when Sony had such a huge head start, and take over really says something.
Apple needs to be knocked off its thrown asap or no one else will hold the title of best selling tablet device.
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I think it's obvious that I'm looking forward to Win 8 tablets. To answer your question... Intels cloverfield/medfield x86 SoC will be deciding factor to Win 8 ... Biggest knock on Intel's mobile SoC has been battery life..... but if the battery life is near or close to ARM... You are looking at Win 8 Tablets that'll have fully functional OS to their PC counterpart.
If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
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If Intel's SoC is successful (well see how the Lenovo Android phone performs) & if the price difference between Win 8 and Android are in $10s.. instead of $100s (or in the ballpark of say current premium Android devices.. such as Samsungs).. I can def. see Win 8 penetrating on Android market share.
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Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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Sony has the power to be Apple for the same reasons that Comcast bought NBC - content. Sony owns a huge portfolio of audio, video, and gaming content. They could develop an iOS like eco-system biased toward their content offerings that would create a profit stream that Asus would sell their left nut for. Why do you think Amazon is selling the KF at literally their cost of building it? Asus makes $75 by selling a tablet where Amazon estimates the lifetime value of a KF purchaser to be worth hundreds. Who do you think will win? These billion dollar companies don’t make multi-year strategic decisions about what markets to pursue based on someone else’s h/w. They’re the “dog,” the Nvidia’s (or Qualcomm’s, TI’s, etc.) of the world are the “tail.” An 8-core chip announced tomorrow isn’t going to change Amazon’s strategy for the KF. It's the same thing with BMW and their M cars and M-B with their AMG models. They're halo products for image only and represent single digits in sales and profit. They'd both give them up in heart beat if they had to decide between them and their bread and butter models like the 3 and the C. We on XDA are "M" and "AMG" buyers. We don't represent the masses and are expendable.
Sony's issue isn't h/w; they are an incredibly well regarded global brand. It's their historical inability to leverage their considerable assets. Catching up on the h/w side wouldn't be difficult. Their PC division does extremely well and has the highest profit margins in the industry. Applying that talent to tablets would allow them to catch up quickly. What Asus is doing isn't rocket science. Their cobbling together available parts from third parties to create a product. They own nothing unique h/w or s/w wise that someone with deep pockets couldn't recreate quickly. Sony has the resources to do h/w. Asus (and others like them) will never be able to own content.
Sony's success depends on Sony. They just got a new CEO so it'll be interesting to see if they get their act together. If they can, they have a very good chance of winning. If they can't, they'll plod along like they have been. And success or failure is measured in years, not SoC lifecycles.
P.S. - They are Google's most committed partner for G-TV. Coincidence? No, they see it as a conduit to bypassing the cable companies and delivering they’re enormous content assets to as many purchasers as they can. So it's not like their sitting in the bleachers watching the game.
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Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
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Microsoft can't/won't compete with free. All things being equal hardware wise, a Win8 tablet is going to be far more expensive than an Android tablet, because of the cost of a Win8 license.
However, that may well be a price consumers are prepared to pay - only time will tell.
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I agree, however.. I don't think & seriously doubt it'll be FAR more expensive if all things are equal in hardware wise. By being far more expensive.. as in.. in upwards over $100. Also, Win 8 is being developed to break into tablet market... I doubt Microsoft will charge OEMs excessively ...
Personally I would like to see Google team up with Samsung for Tabs
Super AMOLED HD displays please
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Wow, you certainly took a quote and simply ran off with it as your own rant. Perhaps you didn't read my statements... More or less, I agree with everything that you mentioned about SONY.
My point was against Demandrin & was simply a question as to how.. or why SONY is non-factor? I was making a case, or point against Demandrin that it isn't "Faith" but simply the "PRICE" factor that attracted .. or is attracting Google to Asus. Because if it was based on "faith".. Sony & Samsung are far more ideal for everything that you have mentioned in detail.
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Sorry, I just used your quote to give some color on Sony as potential player. It wasn't directed at you or anyone else. They're kind of a sleeping giant and everyone underestimates them. They could easily be a bigger player than Samsung in mobile if they could actually get their act together. The key word is “if” because they have a record of squandering opportunities. Appointing a new CEO (the former head of PlayStation) and buying out Ericsson's share of their phone business was a good start.
Look at it this way, if Sony approached Google who has stores set up to sell and distribute content and said "hey, we want to build the Nexus tablet and in return we'll give you access to all our media assets," you think Google would say no? Also Sony and Microsoft with PlayStation and X-Box are like Apple and Google. With W8 leveraging X-Box if I was Sony I'd be looking for a partner with a huge audience in order to counter. People still view Google as a "public service." While they give Android away it's only to get access to an audience for their other money-making products. Google's no more unselfish or concerned about their users when they make decisions than any other public company with shareholders. They may "like" Asus and Samsung but they like money even more.
It's all good.
http://online.wsj.com/article_email...12043639469540-lMyQjAxMTAyMDIwOTEyNDkyWj.html
good find. I can only see this as being positive for Android. plus Google store will likely be stocked up. some tablets won't be hard to find anymore. I'm sure Google would keep their online supplies stocked up. then this will also tie into Google wallet accounts. purchases made easy on Google online store through Google wallet.
Assuming this comes true, it confirms the obvious, that the laissez faire vendor adoption method has failed. Google needed to be more hands-on. Hopefully it'll be the first step in a process, as by itself, it isn't enough to win market share.
Much as I would like to get a decent $199 tab, selling widgets at a loss (or break-even) is not a winning strategy. Goog will have to cook up some magic jelly beans, then grow a beanstalk and climb out of the low-rent district. Apple the Jolly Giant is waiting at the top.
Exciting times!
dec. esryse
Ya im not disappointed by this
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Much as I would like to get a decent $199 tab, selling widgets at a loss (or break-even) is not a winning strategy. Goog will have to cook up some magic jelly beans, then grow a beanstalk and climb out of the low-rent district. Apple the Jolly Giant is waiting at the top.
Exciting times!
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How can you say it's not a winning strategy? Razor blade manufacturers have been doing it for years--sell the razor at a loss, make it back big-time with the razors. Amazon is doing it with the Kindle, and I think Google could benefit significantly from doing it as well. They want to sell ads on mobile devices, and I'm sure they recognize that Apple would like to take this business away from them on iOS devices. And that's not to mention selling content via Google Play.
I think a subsidized tablet could help kick-start the Android tablet market in general. At the very least, it could convince developers that they should be investing in tablet-optimized apps, which is the one thing that's missing from the equation.
While this is good news and all, Google REALLY need to start trying to get developers into making good Android Tablet apps, we are getting close to an even keel on phone apps, but Android Tablet apps lag so far behind iPad it isnt even funny!
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577312043639469540.html
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Google bought Motorola Mobility and would NEVER rely or use Asus to throw it's own name on their tablets. Google knows Asus tablets aren't up to par with quality and could never compete with Apple on quality. I'll buy a Google branded Moto tablet instantly cause it will be of high quality and defect free. I've used 3 ipad3's already and not one had ANY light bleed at all. Strangely every Asus tablet I've touched or used had some kind of light bleed. People do see the inferior products being used.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/29/nvidia-ceo-suggests-199-tegra-3-tablets-in-the-summer/
He's been saying that since last year... however, I also find it to be annoying.
Anyways, if Tegra 3 devices do hit $199 price, I can only imagine how crippled other aspects in the system specifications will look like.
Btw, this notion that if more "android tablets" are in the wild.. you will see more 3rd parties developing dedicated tablet apps due to the increased potential in profit/revenue.
However, if you look into smartphone market, it's not exactly true. You certainly see growth compared to when Android Market started, but if you compared to iOS app store... it's nothing to boast about considering that Android Smartphone (as a whole) leads the share in smartphone market over iPhone.
Simply put, Android users do not spend money on apps as much as iOS users. Until this TREND changes... you won't see 3rd parties developing unique tablets apps for Android. Btw, Google's approach with unified "app" between tablet & smartphone doesn't help either.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/android-vs-iphone-economics-apps-160608285.html
>How can you say it's not a winning strategy? Razor blade manufacturers have been doing it for years...Amazon is doing it with the Kindle, and I think Google could benefit significantly from doing it as well. They want to sell ads on mobile devices
It's not a winning strategy because the razor-blade model is not yet proven on tablets. I haven't seen Amazon break out the champagne for the loads of profit from selling things through the Fire. Amazon is in a much better position to monetize from its tablet because a) it has more stuff to sell, not just ads, and b) the Fire is intentionally limited to get all its contents exclusively from Amazon. A Goog tablet won't have the same luxury, not if it were to be "open" as prior Nexus devices.
Fundamentally, it's not a winning strategy because you can't base a platform around the idea of pushing ads/wares into the user's face. Amazon is selling a portable kiosk. Google is trying to sell an entire mobile platform, and the platform has to succeed on its own merit, ie have an intrinsic worth. The rumored $199 tablet can only be a barebone, stripped down unit. It cannot compete with the incumbent iPad, nor with the more functional Win8 tablets when those appear.
I'd agree that it's a necessary stop-gap action. Goog needs to get enough devices out there so devs would develop for it. It's the same as what RIM is doing with Playbook. A $199 tab is also needed not to compete with Amazon, but prevent it from hijacking the Android platform.
The only winning strategy has to be based on the user experience, which in turn depends on the OS. Simply put, HC wasn't good enough. Based on what I've seen here of the Prime's update travails, ICS is still a beta. Fully 5 months after launch, the main improvements in 4.0.4 changelog still have the words "faster" and "more stable" and "fixes" in them. Fine for enthusiasts, not so fine for Joe Blow.
You can make it good, or you can make it cheap. Android failed on the first, so it needed to resort to the second. But the long-term solution is still to make it good.
The more tablets they spew out, the more work it takes for devs to port/update apps for that specific tablet. When the TFP came out a bunch of games didn't work (Dead Space, Gameloft, etc) and they had to take time to port it. How big of the market share do you think the TFP represents 1%? Then tmw some ABCD tablet is gonna come out and they will have to port for that again. I read somewhere that interest for Android tab delopment is actually declining unlike the smartphone market. They better get their stuff together before W8 hits.
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Same thing goes for accessories...
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What Google could hopefully do is to subsidize them a bit. While we pay our 400-700€ for a tablet most of the "normal" consumer won't and most people I also won't recommend such an expensive device for the few things they would do with it.
Tablet market in general is still very small and even Apple has just a little tiny piece of it. To get it attractive for the "normal" users they have to be around 200€/$ max and Google hopefully can do that.
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What Google could hopefully do is to subsidize them a bit. While we pay our 400-700€ for a tablet most of the "normal" consumer won't and most people I also won't recommend such an expensive device for the few things they would do with it.
Tablet market in general is still very small and even Apple has just a little tiny piece of it. To get it attractive for the "normal" users they have to be around 200€/$ max and Google hopefully can do that.
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I dont think pricing them cheaper is gonna do a whole lot anymore. You have the iPad 2 setting the upper bar at 400 and the iPad 3 setting the absolute highest at 500 then you have the Fire setting the low bar at 200. All other tablets are stuck in the 300 area or is forced to compete with the iPad head on. And you bet 99% of consumers are gonna ask why they would want to pay more for an Android tab when they can get an iPad for cheaper.
The problem is that they need more devs on Android. How many times do we have to wait for iOS apps to hopefully be ported over. When does it ever happen the other way around?
Well there are great Android Apps who are not available for iOS. I'm always wondering why people look at iOS apps and want the exact same instead of looking what Android has to get the same job done. It's about getting the things done people want to do on their tablet - doesn't matter if the app is called a or b. Especially since ICS more and more Apps also have a native Tablet UI - thanks to the fragments. On the other side iOS still is like a stretched phone OS with it's 4x4(5) grid - even on a big tablet.
The new iPad doesn't sell well too. The sells of it are much worser than Apple seems to have expected and the workers in Foxconn got already "just" 4 day weeks and holiday because of the reduced iPad production. They also switched some production lines to other products because of the less demand in new iPads. Even the chinese sellers in blackmarket are sitting on their new iPads and can barely sell them.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&MainCatID&id=20120328000090
And while maybe about 50% of people have a SmartPhone it's maybe less than 10% or 5% for tablets. We're still far away from a bit tablet boom. For most usecases the current ones were just too expensive - those are tablets for us...the geeks. Kindle Fire is just available in the US and not all want a tablet where you barely can see and feel the Android underneath it.
I still believe in a big success of a good 199$ Tablet from Google/ASUS. It's also the perfect price range for birthday gifts.
>http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&MainCatID&id=20120328000090
Good anecdotal piece. It's a bit too soon to determine iPad sales, but there are caution flags out (also anecdote-based).
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...s-avoid-shares-till-fyq2-ipad-sales-play-out/
>I still believe in a big success of a good 199$ Tablet from Google/ASUS.
Assuming a bit better specs than Fire, it should be a best-seller. By itself, it may well jump-start Android tab adoption/development, especially as iPad & Win8 won't be in this price range. Then again, Apple may well release the rumored $300 miniPad in 2H to put a choke hold on Android.
In that same vein, Acer & Co, masters of the cheap netbooks, may want to repeat their fortune with cheap Win8 tabs. The sticking point here is Win8's 1366x768 min res, which would preclude Win8 from cheap 7" units.
Going down the line, I can't imagine Amazon will sit still for Google to eat its lunch. We may well see a $149 Fire yet.
How low can they go?
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Well there are great Android Apps who are not available for iOS. I'm always wondering why people look at iOS apps and want the exact same instead of looking what Android has to get the same job done. It's about getting the things done people want to do on their tablet - doesn't matter if the app is called a or b. Especially since ICS more and more Apps also have a native Tablet UI - thanks to the fragments. On the other side iOS still is like a stretched phone OS with it's 4x4(5) grid - even on a big tablet.
The new iPad doesn't sell well too. The sells of it are much worser than Apple seems to have expected and the workers in Foxconn got already "just" 4 day weeks and holiday because of the reduced iPad production. They also switched some production lines to other products because of the less demand in new iPads. Even the chinese sellers in blackmarket are sitting on their new iPads and can barely sell them.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1102&MainCatID&id=20120328000090
And while maybe about 50% of people have a SmartPhone it's maybe less than 10% or 5% for tablets. We're still far away from a bit tablet boom. For most usecases the current ones were just too expensive - those are tablets for us...the geeks. Kindle Fire is just available in the US and not all want a tablet where you barely can see and feel the Android underneath it.
I still believe in a big success of a good 199$ Tablet from Google/ASUS. It's also the perfect price range for birthday gifts.
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Thanks for the shocking revelation, to me, on current Ipad sales. I love it..lol. seems like all the current issues with it and not really being an upgrade from ipad2 is hurting sales dramatically. Steve is rolling over in his grave over this latest Ipad. I hope this is the beginning of the downfall of apple. All that national
ITS LIKE THEY SAY, WHAT GOES UP, MUST COME DOWN. Apple has no where else to go but down. Seems like people realizing there are more choices in tablets other than Ipad.
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The new iPad doesn't sell well too. The sells of it are much worser than Apple seems to have expected and the workers in Foxconn got already "just" 4 day weeks and holiday because of the reduced iPad production. They also switched some production lines to other products because of the less demand in new iPads. Even the chinese sellers in blackmarket are sitting on their new iPads and can barely sell them.
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If the iPad 3 isn't selling well then Android is selling at all. Because Apple sold 25% of the tablets Android ever sold in just 3 days. The lower workload and blackmarket sellers not being able to resell iPads could just be because Apple was better prepared compared to their iPad 2 launch (ie having preorders for the 3). Apple learned unlike ASUS did going from OG TF to the TFP.
You know news sites love to make controversies and because people will read anything related to Apple. Take the heat problem for example, there was all the controversy but then they found out that its not even that much hotter to other tablets.
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If the iPad 3 isn't selling well then Android is selling at all. Because Apple sold 25% of the tablets Android ever sold in just 3 days. The lower workload and blackmarket sellers not being able to resell iPads could just be because Apple was better prepared compared to their iPad 2 launch (ie having preorders for the 3). Apple learned unlike ASUS did going from OG TF to the TFP.
You know news sites love to make controversies and because people will read anything related to Apple. Take the heat problem for example, there was all the controversy but then they found out that its not even that much hotter to other tablets.
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so the tens of thousands of ipads throwing up Shutting down due to overheating is controversy? especially since its well documented on apple forums and ipadforums.net, which is the largest Ipad forums. it wasn't controversies, that's a real issue with the new Ipad which got national television coverage on it in less than a week of its launch. that's one of the main reasons Ipad sales have halted. along with ipad2 users seeing no real benefits into upgrading. everyone totes it not as a real upgrade. more comparable to b.s. iPhone in-between builds. next Ipad to release will be the true upgrade to ipad2. current latest release is more like the ipad2S.
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so the tens of thousands of ipads throwing up Shutting down due to overheating is controversy? especially since its well documented on apple forums and ipadforums.net, which is the largest Ipad forums. it wasn't controversies, that's a real issue with the new Ipad which got national television coverage on it in less than a week of its launch. that's one of the main reasons Ipad sales have halted. along with ipad2 users seeing no real benefits into upgrading. everyone totes it not as a real upgrade. more comparable to b.s. iPhone in-between builds. next Ipad to release will be the true upgrade to ipad2. current latest release is more like the ipad2S.
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I did not see where tens of thousands of iPads shutting down due to overheating happen. Look on the iPad 3 section on the iPadForums right now. How many threads do you see with people complaining about heat? I looked through 4 pages and the only thread I saw about heat was someone asking if there was indeed a heat problem and people replying that it does get a little warmer but nothing crazy. It is an electronic, it gets warm. My TFP got hot when I played an hour of Dungeon Defender. Does the iPad get hotter? Probably. Do I notice it? No.
And Apple is set to release once a year. It is their schedule that they will stick to. People can't expect Apple to make a major breakthrough like the iPhone and iPad every year. They will make huge breakthroughs but just not every year. A lot of Android devices get crappy upgrades between versions and no one cries about it. Maybe for once there could be a huge breakthrough from Android and Apple will follow that. Why must it always be the other way around?
Interesting article on Why the Google store selling tablets online would succeed.
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...iled&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews