what is the fucntion of ICS third soft button
it is show off the apps on memory which is running on cash memory ?
how can I limited it ! I mean when I exist the app, I don't want put the app on cash memory !
because I find out some of app on cash memory, it can used over 100M on memory at tablet !
Its kind of a appswitcher. You can either slide the apps to left or right to close them or select an app to open it.
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Its kind of a appswitcher. You can either slide the apps to left or right to close them or select an app to open it.
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Its my favorite feature in ics lol
This quick app switching and previews of what the app looked like, bundled with ICS Browser + are the reasons I have not booted webOS on purpose since the first alpha CM9 dropped.
Its as intuitive as the cards, IMO, and an amazing feature of ICS.
AFAIK, ICS operates like all other android builds. In that its meant to fill your RAM with programs to about 75%, then it will start clearing out apps when you need the RAM. This is by design, and why so many Android "Experts" say you don't need, and shouldn't use, task killers. RAM takes the same amount of battery full as it does empty. So, as long as the app is written well it won't cause any excess battery drain to have it sit in your RAM. But, it will save you battery the next time you use it, instead of opening it fresh. All this goes out the window for poorly written apps that cause wake locks or continue to run when put to "sleep". YMMV
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Most use feature in CM9 for me.
more nice and usefull than before had to hold home button
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Can anyone recommend a good task killer? I was using task manager for a while, but was only getting up about 110 of mem on average. The autokill widget is pretty key, any recs?
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Have you tried not using one? There is no need for an auto one and the task manager built into ji6 is good to check for rouge apps.
Yeah, I was using task manager and then tried using the j16 task killer. The j16 manager doesn't have a quick kill button, and as a result doesn't feature ignore/kill lists.
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you do not need to use any task killers with android.
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you do not need to use any task killers with android.
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That's a matter of preference, not fact.
Personally I like to know what is still running in the background and kill it if need be, or just monitor what stays open that I wasn't expecting. Perhaps that's what the OP was looking for as well?
I use 'System Panel' Works well enough for me - provides adequate feedback about your system. You might find it useful as well.
Advanced task killer? The tmo rep that sold the vibrant to me in july was recommending it to everyone. Theres a quick kill widget and an ignore list option, you can even set it to auto kill when the screen goes off.
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That's a matter of preference, not fact.
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Well seeing as Google and every top android developer says not to use task killers, I'd say its fact.
OP do not use a task killer, especially an auto kill one. If you really need a task manager use Watchdog Lite.
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Well seeing as Google and every top android developer says not to use task killers, I'd say its fact.
OP do not use a task killer, especially an auto kill one.
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This. And NEVER take a sales person at their word.
Android does not need a task manager. It does not manage programs the same way that windows does. It will automatically kill apps on it's own if it needs to.
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On older "legacy" phones that were fighting for thier share of less then 128mb of RAM I could understand why you would need to free RAM (even though android does it in its own way). On the newer model phones I dont see a need unless you are loading every single screen possible with widgets & have tons of services running in the background.
Between a shortcut to "running services" and the new Task manager, you can see exactly what APPS & SERVICES are still running and which ones are using the CPU.
Simply put.... What app, or appssss for that matter, are you going to load that is going to need all 100+mb of RAM to run????
Have you all not noticed the JI6 task killer shows CPU %... the ONLY thing that matters. I have never seen an app taking up my CPU... that's because android is doing what it's supposed to.
Do NOT use a task killer.
Instead of writing all "Task Killers" off as bad...
You should generally refrain from use of task killers that automatically kill tasks or provide an "End All" functionality. However, I like AppSwipe (from the Market) which is more focused on "Task Switching" than anything else. It can be launched from long pressing the Search key. If you must kill tasks (limited functionality for this is available though the app), only killing the tasks you start (one at a time) is encouraged.
That's my take, anyhow...
^ you suggested something that is already built into our phone. No need for an app.
Couple of things
If you get Watchdog or task manager or alike you will notice that when things are open it provides how much ram is being occupied and how much CPU (usually in %) is being burdened.
So you will notice that Almost all of the programs will be held in TSR (terminate and stay resident) type of stat use, but typically, do not need cpu resources.
So, in other words unless it is using resources like cpu or ram I wouldn't give it a worry
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^ you suggested something that is already built into our phone. No need for an app.
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Yeah, you can get your last 6 opened apps by long pressing the Home key...
Task killers now, are more for saving battery if anything. Apps that are written to stay running in the background are definitely going to kill battery.
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^ you suggested something that is already built into our phone. No need for an app.
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Yeah, you can get your last 6 opened apps by long pressing the Home key...
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Seriously? I did no such thing. If you think that just having a limited "recent history" of apps that were running but may not necessarily be currently running at the time of display is the same thing as something like AppSwipe then just ignore my whole previous post. It was meant for those who aren't satisfied by merely long pressing home and want an actual task switcher instead.
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Task killers now, are more for saving battery if anything. Apps that are written to stay running in the background are definitely going to kill battery.
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Task Killers drain your battery faster than letting apps run in the background.
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Task Killers drain your battery faster than letting apps run in the background.
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No it doesn't. Provide some facts to back up that claim please.
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Task Killers drain your battery faster than letting apps run in the background.
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That's reminds me...ideally if you must use one then at least choose one that can be invoked "on demand" by a hardware button / key when you need it and then ends itself immediately when you're done with it.
Ok I have looked around and have not found the answer. SO here Goes
In windows if you want to keep the memory that you have clear of background applications, you can run system configuration and just remove the check-mark for those items you dont want to auto start.
I have Advanced Task Killer installed and will set it up to auto kill and will manual kill apps as well. Instead of consistently looking at ATK to shut down apps, is there a way to just keep all the apps you not using nor have ever started from suddenly being there and sucking the life out of your battery?
Having applications "running" in the background (i.e., still in memory but in a suspended state) does NOT negatively affect your battery life. These applications are actually just remaining in memory because that memory does not need to be used by anything else at the moment. If an active application gets to a point where it needs more memory, Android will automatically close applications that are in a suspended state (i.e., not actively being used) to make room.
In other words, using an app killer is NOT necessary and I definitely recommend NOT using one. By closing the application repeatedly, you are just causing the application to take a longer amount of time to start up next time you use it. You're making your Android experience worse by using one, not better.
There is one caveat to this, and that is when you have an application installed that doesn't play nicely -- i.e., even when you stop using that application, it will continue to use up CPU cycles (never go into a suspended state). This is actually pretty rare unless you are installing really poorly written programs, but it can happen to some popular apps too (usually the result of a bug). In this case, you should either uninstall that application or use an app killer to only kill that one app.
I've heard both sides of this argument, and don't know who to believe. I didn't think I needed a Task Killer, but then I saw it repeatedly on "top 10 apps for Android" and "must have Android apps" lists from respected sites like cnet... who to believe?!
Cnet ≠ respected
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Having applications "running" in the background (i.e., still in memory but in a suspended state) does NOT negatively affect your battery life.
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I need to confirm this. Anyone? I dont care about memory because I bet Android excels at that, and at any rate, memory is there to be used, not to keep it empty.
But I come from a Symbian smartphone and "minimized" applications DO uses battery. Maybe little, but noticeable.
Anyone can confirm that background apps consume negligible battery juice?
Additionally, is there a nice task changer? Like windows Alt+Tab. I feel my Android like an iPhone, that I need to press the home button to move to another already opened app and that's just plain stupid. So far I'm using Multitasking Lite, but it can get sluggish once there are too many apps opened. Any suggestion would be warmly welcomed.
"Running" background apps DO NOT consume battery life unless they're actively syncing. If it's just in the memory saving the state of the app then that is fine.
As far as using a task killer, if you are manually killing apps and they keep starting back up then that is a bad thing for your battery. The app uses cpu cycles everytime it starts up again and syncs data. You can use a task killer to close apps that opened on startup or when you're done with them. If they stay closed until you choose to open them again then you're saving memory, but nothing to do with battery life.
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"Running" background apps DO NOT consume battery life unless they're actively syncing. If it's just in the memory saving the state of the app then that is fine
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Thanks for confirming ;]
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Additionally, is there a nice task changer? Like windows Alt+Tab. I feel my Android like an iPhone, that I need to press the home button to move to another already opened app and that's just plain stupid. So far I'm using Multitasking Lite, but it can get sluggish once there are too many apps opened. Any suggestion would be warmly welcomed.
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Obviously you can switch over to some apps by pulling down the notification menu and selecting the appropriate app. That only works on apps that put themselves in the notification menu though (multimedia apps and things like Google Nav usually do this).
Otherwise, you can press and hold the home button to bring up the list of 8 most recently opened apps without exiting the active app. This works but like I said, it's the 8 most recent apps, so it will list apps that aren't necessarily still running anymore. It's more of a shortcut to having to go search in your apps menu or home screens to find a recent app than a way to see what is currently running.
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Otherwise, you can press and hold the home button to bring up the list of 8 most recently opened apps without exiting the active app. This works but like I said, it's the 8 most recent apps, so it will list apps that aren't necessarily still running anymore. It's more of a shortcut to having to go search in your apps menu or home screens to find a recent app than a way to see what is currently running.
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What can I say, I hate pressing the home key to hunt for the icon that opens the app I already opened more than 6 other apps ago ;] Guess I'll stick to Multitasking Lite for the time being. Thanks!
What should I prefer: Closing applications completely after use using task manager/back button or is it fine to use the home button and let them run in the background?
searching would have informed you its not good to use task managers/killers
I know, I read that. But I didn't really understand why. I mean an app that runs in the background still uses up ressources, doesn't it?
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I know, I read that. But I didn't really understand why. I mean an app that runs in the background still uses up ressources, doesn't it?
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Depends on the app. If you leave music streaming in the background, yes, it will use some CPU, data, and battery. But if you leave a Notes app open, you only use a bit of RAM. It's okay to have apps sitting dormant in RAM since that's what RAM is for - helps apps open faster.
Like Darkside Agent said, stay away from task killers. Use the back button to close the app and the home button to leave them in the background.
Leave it all running... Plenty of RAM and Android is pretty good at memory management...
...and I don't mean 'minmize' like what pressing the home or back button does. (which merely puts it in the multitasker menu list, still open.)
I mean closing it like when you swipe it out of the menu list. (which are far as I can tell, seems to close it off enough to stop what it's doing and free up the memory it was using!)
Sometimes I want to just close an app since I know I won't be using it for a while and I want to conserve cpu/memory/battery - or merely manage the list of things in my multitask list. kinda like on Desktop. (you don't want every app on your pc open all at once, do you, do you?!) and I just want a simple way like on the desktop to close that app when I want to close it.
SO: Is there some app that can assign a custom screen gesture (like the lovely letter C for 'close') to perform 'fully exit current app' or some solution like that? I started to research, but couldn't seem to find one very quickly, so thought I'd ask here, at THE place to ask.
also I apologise for using things like Windows terms ('minimize'), i know that's not how it works in android. But you do know what I mean.
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This is a question that a lot of people ask when moving to Android and the answer simply is, forget about it.
Android handles processes and memory in a completely different way to Windows. When an app is "minimized" it obviously leaves a footprint in the memory, but it uses no CPU (unless it's a polling app or something that keeps alive for a specific purpose).
Just trust Android to handle memory management - it does a very good job of it.
If you really, really MUST do something about it then the best thing you can do is get something like Juice Defender (there's tons of similar apps) and make it kill apps periodically. Most apps that people use for this type of purpose are merely placebo, but if it makes you feel better then I guess it's serving a purpose.
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This is a question that a lot of people ask when moving to Android and the answer simply is, forget about it.
Android handles processes and memory in a completely different way to Windows. When an app is "minimized" it obviously leaves a footprint in the memory, but it uses no CPU (unless it's a polling app or something that keeps alive for a specific purpose).
Just trust Android to handle memory management - it does a very good job of it.
If you really, really MUST do something about it then the best thing you can do is get something like Juice Defender (there's tons of similar apps) and make it kill apps periodically.
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Thanks for your answer. I can sense you have wisdom and experience in your words there, but I want to probe a little further.
surely there can be an almost macro-like (again, windows terminology, sorry) functionality, that can be assigned to a gesture swipe that can emulate pressing home button, then swiping the bottom item away from the multitask menu? (which is always the one you just 'minimized')? Could an app like Tasker even do it?
i agree that good memory management is a beautiful thing, but there really should be manual control of closing apps, my reasons above are stated.
i wouldn't touch automatic time-based closing, i sometimes have saved states in apps and wouldn't want them closed when i don't want them closed.
Most apps that people use for this type of purpose are merely placebo, but if it makes you feel better then I guess it's serving a purpose.
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you really think it's all placebo, and that say, running 50 apps in android with finite set amount of ram on the device is all fine simply due to memory management?
is me experiencing lag in some android apps (or battery draining faster than I'd like), then closing off several running apps in the multitask list, then noticing the problem go away, all placebo????? what about google maps, say?! I'd love a one-step swipe action to CLOSE google maps when I'm done with it, not having to press home button, then multitask button, then swipe away google maps. (I know when minimized it consumes nothing like it does when open, but I think still it consumes more than if it were fully closed...)
it's not just about memory. edit: and I already stated in addition, I often want to simply manage what I have open. this is a basic function in desktop OSes, I think it's time it came to mobile. if not officially, there surely must be some hack/tool to do it. :S
download a task killer app with a widget.
press home button and press the widget and you're done
If you're using AOKP based ROM then there is hold back to kill in Settings > ROM control > general UI
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download a task killer app with a widget.
press home button and press the widget and you're done
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that's about 2/3 the way towards the current 3-step solution though :/.
Am I to be amazed that a function to put this simple task into a single gesture hasn't been done? or isn't possible? it HAS to be possible. Otherwise I'd be flabbergasted.
I have googled further and just can't seem to find something :|.
WAIT! I think I have! here. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.goodmooddroid.gesturecontroldemo&hl=en it has a "kill task" function that you can set up a custom gesture for. it's a start.
however I'm getting a "ERROR! No ROOT permissions?" error despite being rooted with supersu and successfully using other root apps etc, so I've emailed the dev and hope I can get it working :S.
But still, it seems a little clunky the offering of custom gesture types. I can't set a nice curvy gesture defined by tracing it on the screen. oh well - it's a start.....
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If you're using AOKP based ROM then there is hold back to kill in Settings > ROM control > general UI
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That seems the holy grail! too bad I'm on stock jb with plans for upgrading to CM .....
Do you do the "home button" method or the "back button" method?
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For me, it's always been the back button. I've always felt that with the less apps running in the background, I get better battery life. Does it make that big of a difference? Just doesn't make sense that with such a powerful phone, I'm not utilizing it to its potential.
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Depends. Back button if I won't be going back into the app. Home button if I will be going back into the app again.
Back button = kill (sort of)
Home = multitasking
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I generally always use the home button.
If I want the app killed I will use the recent apps window to kill them off.
I don't mind the RAM being used in the background, it doesn't have any real negative consequences as far as I can tell.
Still, every now and then when something is acting up, I wish we had the long press back to kill process feature. I have this on my tablet.
Home button.
Seems like I read if you use the back button it'll completely exit app, but if you use home you can go back to where you were in the app later. You can long press home and bring up task manager to stop all apps or individually stop them. You can go to settings>General>Developer Options> go to bottom "Don't keep activities" Guess it stops the apps for sure when you exit. Maybe helps with battery life?
Yup that was ways my dilemma. I've always used the back button because it exits the app completely because I've heard that gives better battery life.
Then I started thinking that's kind of a waste of a phone this powerful if I'm not using it to its potential. So just this past week, I've tried getting in the habit of leaving apps running in the background and exiting with the home button.
I haven't noticed too much of a difference, if any.
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I use both depending on the app. However, I notice that even when I back out of an app (even the ones that confirm closing) it will still be in my list of open apps when holding the home button.
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I was under the impression those are just "recently used" apps rather than open apps. Maybe I'm wrong.
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I was under the impression those are just "recently used" apps rather than open apps. Maybe I'm wrong.
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They're not open necessarily, but when you swipe them they die.
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i use home then recent apps kill all. though i prefer the option of holding the back button to kill apps like on my old g2x.