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Just found a new stylus by wacom,bamboo stylus
http://www.wacom.eu/index2.asp?lang=en
Looks promising, should be due out this month. It has the thinnest nib of any stylus on the market, and since I take alot of stylus notes (maple paint and genial) I think this is a must have for me.
I have ordered it from their site, delivery is within 14 days, i am currently using the Boxwave one but like this one because it is the size of an average ball point pen which I would prefer. Hope it works as well as or better than the Boxwave. I went for it because of wacom's reputation.
Can be ordered from here:
http://eu.shop.wacom.eu/Bamboo/Bamboo-Stylus/Bamboo-Stylus?c=9149
ordered a dagi one as the bamboo looks pretty pricey for.....a possibly better designed rubber nub. I use a wacom tablet and know they make some nice stuff, but it doesn't seem to be much different than the cheaper alternatives out there.
The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
lacrossev said:
ordered a dagi one ....The dagi should be interesting with the clear tip and red dot so you can see where you're pointing, gonna play around with autodesk sketchbook mobile with it.
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I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
Think will order one, will give a review of it when received, but probably be a few weeks before I get it
does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
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does the wacom pen work with the TF-101? I am confused....
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Its not anything that will work like a wacom tablet + their stylus. This is just a regular capacitive stylus with the nub at the end of it, it just so happens that wacom makes it. Theres no interactivity between the stylus and the device other than the contact of the nib. So yea, it will work fine with the TF101, as will all capactive styli on the market today.
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I am interested to hear how this one works out. I am currently using a targus which works great for me. but want a little more precision. Please update this when you get it....
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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It takes a little getting used to to hold it properly and to put the right pressure to get that disc centered, but once you do, the lines start at or very close to the dot, depending on whether i am holding it right. It takes a bit of getting used to, and seems more suitable for drawing and sketching. This is because if you're doing quick swipes i.e. quickly jotting down notes you might not get the disc centered before the tablet registers the touch, causing a fairly inaccurate input.
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That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
I ordered the DAGI too.
I'll also provide feedback once I receive it.
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That doesn't sound too promising. I'm expecting mine to be delivered on Monday. Was going to use it for handwrite note taking
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Well the way I see it when u are handwriting your movements should just follow your first stroke. I tried writing quickly and found the dot to be useless because I'm writing so fast I'm just going by muscle memory instead of trying to aim it
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I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
Discusbass said:
I really cant wait to hear what you guys think of the stylus.
Acually, it all depends on how well the transformer can be used to handwrite/inking for me if im going to buy it or not. =)
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I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
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I have received mine today and can give a little feedback on how I am finding the stylus in use.
The stylus itself is really nice to hold in the hand, its weight is just right and it actually feels like you are holding a good quality pen. I expected it to be a little longer, more like the size of a standard size ball point pen however it is just a little bit shorter than this. Having said this, because of the way the weight is distributed on the stylus, it does not feel uncomfortable in the hand and feels very natural.
The end uses a small rubbery nib similar to others available however is considerably smaller when compared to the Boxwave stylus which I also use. This allows for more precision when writing and placement on the tablet.
To test handwriting, I used Tabnotes which is available on the market as a trial. My findings are that the stylus can definitely be used for handwriting and produces very acceptable results, I can confidently say that the writing produced from it resembled my true handwriting (Which is not very tidy by the way but is unique to me).
There is a slight screen sensitivity issue which I think is related to the transformer and not the pen. When you place dots on top of the letter i or strike through letters like t, you need to apply a bit more pressure (not excessive) or it may not register on the tablet.
I used a similar test on my HTC desire HD (DHD) and this is where the quality of the stylus was really highlighted. On the DHD, straight away I noticed that the screen was more responsive, the stylus seemed to glide effortlessly on it's screen with minimal pressure being applied and the results were near enough 100%. I used writepad to test on the DHD which converts your handwriting into typed text and my handwriting was recognised instantly.
Hopefully the upgrade to the honeycomb software will address the sensitivity issue on the transformer which if it does will make the Transformer an ideal platform for handwritten notes. Having said this, in its current form it is still very usable, all it means is that you have to use slightly more pressure on the transformer. I am also assuming that this will work even better on the Ipad2 because the screen sensitivity is no doubt better on it.
I hope this has been helpful, any queries about the stylus, let me know and I will try to help before you take the plunge and buy it.
Edit: I have since writing this, used it on my wifes Ipad2 and as I thought it gave very similar results as the DHD where the results were equal i.e. almost 100% accuracy.
I have also added some pics where I have compared the size of the Boxwave stylus against the Bamboo stylus and another pic showing the size difference of the nibs on each.
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first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
danielcmacedo said:
first of all thanks for the review on the stylus but, please, can you show some video or picture on this handwriting?
Thanks
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
HasC said:
Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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That looks awesome, im going to use it for marking up pdf drawings in the field. If i can keep somewhat a straightish line its a winner.
@ Delecron:
You can draw lines using Repligo reader or EZpdf which also allows you to draw in freehand if necessary.
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Sample added to my orginal post to show sample of note using my handwriting and a new note taking app which is soon to be released called "Tabnotes", at the moment a trial is available and the output quality has been reduced until the software is relesed by the developer who is busy finalising the software.
Ps sorry about my bad handwriting, been typing now for years and it has somewhat gone down hill ever since...
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Looks good- I also recently been using Tabnotes with a Targus which works great. I LOVE Tabnotes- it definitely has some great potential. Any idea when the full version will be released. I am sick of looking at the Trial version smack in the middle of the papers..
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Had an email from the developer a couple of days ago where he apologised for not getting back to an email that I had sent him when he first put the software on the market where I requested from him a few changes such as having the undo and other tools at the top instead of having to select them via the menu option. He has done this and made a few other changes that enhance the software e.g. the little arrows on the bottom corner on the right to position the writing area etc.
Hopefully he should be releasing the full version fairly soon because he also advised that the reason for late response to emails was because he is hard at work improving the software before release which in his estimation is a couple of weeks.
I am checking for software updates daily for Tabnotes as I too can see the potential of this program and it is definitely my first choice for producing hand written notes on my tablet.
Too costly, even though the quality is there I just can't pay that much. Probably going to buy a few of these.
I have seen multiple mentions about Prime's touch screen requiring 'stronger touches' to react. Is that true?
I would like to use the tablet for sketching, which is done with capacitive pens (like the one made for iPad 2 by Bamboo) which have a sort of an 'air pad' on the tip, making every brush quite light. Does anyone have such a pen and has tried it on a Prime?
It will be frustrating if I cannot use the pen at all if Prime does not react to the less-prominent touches. I also prefer light touches for actions such as swiping across the screen in galleries or on Google Maps instead of making the swipe very prominent.
If you have Prime, could you share your touch-screen experiences with it?
Or is there a video that demo's Prime touch screen with a multitouch app with varying touch stroke strengths? If you have the Prime, could you record such a video? I am sure many would appreciate it
I dont have a pen but it seems that sometimes it takes a harder touch to select anything on the home screen but for.example when im using the browser a very light touch will scroll just fine
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yeah i'm interested in that point to. I have the Bamboo stylus but not the prime.
Asus stated that the touch screen was more responsive (faster) than the average Android tablet and I 'd love to see how that goes compare to say...the original Transformer !
I get my tab tomorrow I have like 3 different stylus I can test out.
Got a rocketfish stylus, cosmonaut, and a dagi. (hoping to get an adonit jot soon too)
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ravizzle said:
I get my tab tomorrow I have like 3 different stylus I can test out.
Got a rocketfish stylus, cosmonaut, and a dagi. (hoping to get an adonit jot soon too)
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Do any of them have an air-pad type of build? Bamboo stylus looks like an 'eraser' from one end, but it is actually an air-pad of sorts, so it is very light. I know that many capacitive pens are like less-friction erasers, completely filled. These are easier to make taps with on less-responsive screens. But they are not as smooth and light for writing naturally.
I am especially interested in the air-pad type of capacitive pens like the Bamboo is, since they are better for sketching and natural handwriting. I wonder if such pens have issues with Prime (they work perfectly on iPad 2 which reacts very well to light brushes).
The cosmonaut and the rocket fish are both air pad type
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The cosmonaut and the rocket fish are both air pad type
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Great! Do let us know how they perform, it will play a huge role in my decision whether to buy the device or not.
I hope it works well with my Jot Pro stylus, too. It's really nice on a borrowed iPad 2.
my jot pro is coming today so i can report back then.
but as another poster said, some times selecting items seems to take a harder press than my xoom did but scroll in the opera browser is almost too senstive.. the slightest touch scrolls the browser..
i think you will be fine with your pen.
My touch screen is very responsive I feel no need for a stylus but it wouldn't hurt
I don't have a pen device, but can give a point of comparison...
The touch screen on the Prime is much less sensitive than the one on my Xoom. I wouldn't call it bad, but I definitely have to press harder to register inputs.
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my touchscreen seems very responsive. seeing this thread made me back out n test it again. on my prime, the slightest touch barely touching screen will have it scrolling up, down, left, or right very smoothly. I mean literally the slightest touch and the prime will react. I have a capacitve pen also that I used sometimes on my Ipad for drawing apps like Sketchbook n such. I can't remember the brand of pen. I think its the Targas one. I bought it at best buy when they had their sale on them for cheap. the end of pen is more like half a spongy rubber ball of sorts. if you press it too hard against screen it'll mash down end of tip. so end of my pen tip is not solid. more like hollow rubber end that flexes with pressure. I haven't tried it out on my prime yet. I will though after seeing this thread.
That's weird..Do someone have the original transformer and could give us a comparaison between it and the prime, maybe in a touch screen test apps (wich should not be limited in speed by the software optimisation)
I was looking forward to what Asus called a faster responding touch screen but it seems like they forgot about this one. Or maybe the xoom was very fast. Or it's a software thing or it needs more indepth test to tell
The thing is, I don't NEED a stylus but I'm using one to draw in sketchbook and it's already not always perfect on the Transformer (still good though) but I wouldn't want it to be even less sensitive. It's hard to draw correctly when you have to press the screen like a mad men.
When I first got my prime, I had issues with the touch screen. Typing was especially a pain because it wasn't recognizing key presses. I then used the cleaning cloth that it came with and cleaned the screen really well. Since then I've had no problems.
I'm guessing that the protective plastic left a film.
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When I first got my prime, I had issues with the touch screen. Typing was especially a pain because it wasn't recognizing key presses. I then used the cleaning cloth that it came with and cleaned the screen really well. Since then I've had no problems.
I'm guessing that the protective plastic left a film.
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The firmware updates helped alot too
The cosmonaut words terribly with the prime.
The rockfish works pretty good when writing, but for delicate touches when drawing it its a bit jittery. Looks like I'm making dotted line instead of solid lines. Needs a fair amount of pressure, but not super hard.
However when using fingers to draw even light touches work great.
Waiting on funds to get a adonit jot pro bc I hear that is the best stylus
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Hey guys,
I am currntly the proud owner of a Asus Transformer eee pad, TF 101
I have it rooted and a bit overclocked.
I love sony products but I have to say I am still doubting of trading my Transfomer for a Tablet S
What are the things I am missing at the moment and what am I going to mis when I decide to switch.
can you guys help me a bit with the cons and pro's ?
The transformer PROs
- keybord dock
- extended batery life becauseof dock
- bigger screen
- a lot of custom roms and things to play with
The Tablet S PROS
- User Interface
- Design of tablet
- IR to control my Bravia TV
- PS certified ( controller )
the Transformer CONs
- minor light bleed
The Tablet S CONs
- not a lot of custom ROMs (yet)
- no gorilla glass
they have the same cpu right? but what about the gpu ?
A definite Pro is native support of the dualshock controller - I play Tomb Raider 1 to 5) and Abe's Oddysee / Exodus daily !!.
Must admit however that I use Fpse to do it, these ps1 games are not available 'officially' on the Tablet S store (yet)
I am an extremely proud owner of the Sony. People are always looking at in when in in a cafe. It is stunning to look at and when holding it the balance is perfect, whether it be portrait or landscape mode.
I'm not one for "run of the mill" gadgets, i like something different and the Sony is just that. I looked at the Transformer and decided other wise due to the fact of the enormous size of it and the "run of the mill" looks. Having the ability to play certified( and not) games is incredible and i shall be investing in a ps3 controller shortly to play these type of games.
OH OH, did i mention the incredible infra red remote control, I am able to control my Sky box, LG surround sound and my TV all in the comfort of my Favorited chair.
This little baby has just been rooted and as far as I'm concerned the Sony has just been born. I was fortunate to have only bought the Sony 1 week before it was rooted and now the gates have opened to hopefully custom roms( not to bothered really) and other good things.
So to conclude, this is one tablet that i will be keeping for some time, the screen, speed, looks and the geek factor makes it a winner.
Ps. The one thing i need now is the external sd to be used for system data.
David.
Everyone is going to experience different tablets differently. So what you need to ask yourself is "Am I happy with my tablet?"
If the answer is yes then stop looking over the fence and enjoy what you have
If no, then perhaps you should indeed look at trading it in.
I for one regret buying the damn thing. Slowest piece of junk I've ever touched once you put a few things on it. Keyboard lags out like crazy so I have to type at turtle speed.
Unfortunately it was a joint purchase with my gf and it's either this or an iPad, so I'm boned.
The remote is pretty much a novelty at best - you have to look at it everytime you use it. I much prefer a one handed physically guided real remote even if I need 4.
I'm not about to go looking up the specs of your tab but I'm pretty certain it is a tegra 2 device (same cpu and gpu).
Also a big con - no gorilla glass. I had it wrapped in a tshirt and when I pulled it out of my bag and unwrapped it there were 2 little scratches on it so not happy.
After a couple weeks I really started to become very unhappy with the build quality. Creak, hollow cheap plastic sounds. Sometimes the screen makes funny hollow sounds when you press it too!
Obviously this is just my opinion on it and I realise plenty of people really like the device.
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Everyone is going to experience different tablets differently. So what you need to ask yourself is "Am I happy with my tablet?"
If the answer is yes then stop looking over the fence and enjoy what you have
If no, then perhaps you should indeed look at trading it in.
I for one regret buying the damn thing. Slowest piece of junk I've ever touched once you put a few things on it. Keyboard lags out like crazy so I have to type at turtle speed.
Unfortunately it was a joint purchase with my gf and it's either this or an iPad, so I'm boned.
The remote is pretty much a novelty at best - you have to look at it everytime you use it. I much prefer a one handed physically guided real remote even if I need 4.
I'm not about to go looking up the specs of your tab but I'm pretty certain it is a tegra 2 device (same cpu and gpu).
Also a big con - no gorilla glass. I had it wrapped in a tshirt and when I pulled it out of my bag and unwrapped it there were 2 little scratches on it so not happy.
After a couple weeks I really started to become very unhappy with the build quality. Creak, hollow cheap plastic sounds. Sometimes the screen makes funny hollow sounds when you press it too!
Obviously this is just my opinion on it and I realise plenty of people really like the device.
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Just for your problems Dan, I'd recommend taking it back. With that many problems, thats more than enough cause for a replacement device and my Tablet has none of the problems you mention. My Tablet can keep up with my iPad 2, no problems. The keyboard seems pretty speedy (but I mostly use SwiftKey, anyway), and the build quality on mine is flawless. Even after banging around in my bag for weeks, theres not even a sign of a scratch or a creak.
As for the original question, I absolutely love mine. I used to own a Samsung Galaxy Tab, then picked this up and I love it. I don't usually have the same problems as others since the SD card change doesnt overly fuss me (I use Astro, which deals with it just fine)
Ok thanks for the replys.
The tablet I have now is great I freaking love the damn thing, but ...
Like diddy64 said I know its true, because i have had all sony android phones and currently the arc s.
This phone has not best specs out there but for me it has the Sony WOW factor, when you hold than you feel it lays so good in your hand and the design is just amazing.
Is the tablet S the same under the tablet categorie as the Arc S is under the phone categorie ?
- does it feel good holding it in your hands ?
- when you see it you go WOW! ?
1. Sony display: Super deep blacks, video playback crisp and clean, it's far more color saturated than any other tablet. Period.
2. Remote control: TV, BluRay, DVD, 7.1, WD Live, etc. I can go from room to room and select multiple devices on the fly... yes, instantly. This means no matter where I am in the house, I can be the super-dude with the outrageous all-in-one remote. Hotel TV's? Set-up in a heartbeat. Also, there's no way you are going to misplace this baby! Fantastic.
3. Network playback: Audio and video is fast and clean. Whatever they did with the wifi update, the speed and range of the 300mbps n works supremely well now, excellent really. It's far better than any other tab... at any price. Try ES File Explorer with your network shares. The iPad sux, the ASUS is awful (say what, how could they screw that up?) Yeah, OK the Galaxy range is just about as good, but real world it tops at about 45mbps. The Sony is flat out far superior. Try it.
4. Sony PDF Reader: Superb, Kindle style side by side page layout, clean, crystal clear, even at low rez. I read lots of downloaded eMags: Travel, Design, Health, Tech, Science, Automotive, etc. The installed Sony reader is the best. Faster absorption with a straight forward left to right format. Rasterization and reflow are incredible. The Sony black on white saturation is a big part of it too. See it to believe it.
5. Size/Design: One handing with this one is crazy good. Holding in left, (i.e. Kindle or Skype) taking notes or holding mobile phone with right. Balanced feel is perfect, somebody did a lot of of fearless "new design ergo live-test" homework. Also, using 'Thumb Keyboard 4' is a breeze. Text and email is so much easier at this size point than with any other tablet, Samsung Galaxy included. I'm doing this reply on the S1, it's easy.
6. Sony DLNA: I can throw 'drag n drop' vids/tunes from the external SDcard to any/all the TVs, xBox's, audio devices (and soon to the car radio.) Scenario: S1 in cradle on bedroom dresser, with that nice Sony desk clock display running, Sony DLNA broadcasting in the background, seamlessly throwing vids to the TV? We don't need no stinking HDMI cables! Fun stuff.
OK, there are lots of little things to like with this tablet. Sorry to sound like a fanboy ad for Sony, but I shopped for the right tablet for a solid month then knew I was making the right decision with the S1. Now rooted, (ty ty djrbliss!) I am enjoying the S1 even more. Have had the thing for three months now, it just keeps getting better.
I've had my Tablet S for about 5 months now and use it daily. It's now surpassed my PC as my tool for web browsing, and I haven't even touched the browser on my phone in months.
If you're trying to decide what to do, I might suggest waiting type of improvements Sony will make with the ICS update. One feature that was mentioned is the ability to throw your tablet Screen to your TV (not just media like it currently does). I don't know how this feature works or if you can throw absolutely anything, but if that's the case then the tablets lack of HDMI would be more than forgiven. Who knows what else they'll be coming out with.
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I should also mention I haven't had a single problem with defects in the craftsmanship of my tablet. I've dropped it several times on hardwood and tile floors, and not a single dent.
Also for those talking about scratches on the screen, please note that every single Tablet S comes with a helluva thick screen proector from the factory. The scratches you're seeing are on that, not the screen. The screen itself, once you remove the protector is surprisingly good, and handles fingerprints quite nicely when swiping. One of my friends with the Tablet S had the Sony screen protector on top of it (this is before we knew there was a factory protector) and the idiot managed to drop his tablet screen first onto the corner of a cinderblock. There was a hole straight through the Sony screen protector and we thought he had chipped his screen. Once we discovered and removed the factory protector, we found his screen was perfectly intact. This damned tablet can take a beating!
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I've had my Tablet S for about 5 months now and use it daily. It's now surpassed my PC as my tool for web browsing, and I haven't even touched the browser on my phone in months.
If you're trying to decide what to do, I might suggest waiting type of improvements Sony will make with the ICS update. One feature that was mentioned is the ability to throw your tablet Screen to your TV (not just media like it currently does). I don't know how this feature works or if you can throw absolutely anything, but if that's the case then the tablets lack of HDMI would be more than forgiven. Who knows what else they'll be coming out with.
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I should also mention I haven't had a single problem with defects in the craftsmanship of my tablet. I've dropped it several times on hardwood and tile floors, and not a single dent.
Also for those talking about scratches on the screen, please note that every single Tablet S comes with a helluva thick screen proector from the factory. The scratches you're seeing are on that, not the screen. The screen itself, once you remove the protector is surprisingly good, and handles fingerprints quite nicely when swiping. One of my friends with the Tablet S had the Sony screen protector on top of it (this is before we knew there was a factory protector) and the idiot managed to drop his tablet screen first onto the corner of a cinderblock. There was a hole straight through the Sony screen protector and we thought he had chipped his screen. Once we discovered and removed the factory protector, we found his screen was perfectly intact. This damned tablet can take a beating!
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How did you remove the factory installed screenprotector? i tried it, but it looks like it's on there to stay. My se arc had a factory installed screenprotector to, and i was able to take it of.
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The factory screen protector does take a little work to remove. First things first you need to be able to pull up a corner of it, then it's just a matter of slowly tugging very hard. It's sticky, and we actually had 2 people work on it - 1 holding it and 1 tugging at the protector until we eventually got it off. Underneath the screen itself will be kinda sticky afterwards, but that was cleaned up pretty quickly. I was actually quite surprised how well the screen itself resisted fingerprints when compared to the factory protector and the Sony protector.
What the? I'v never seen any evidence of a screen protector on mine :S.. this is most interesting. I'll suss it out when I get home, if it has one then this is the best news i've heard in ages .
But not to get my hopes up too much... it does feel very much like scratched glass when you touch it with a finger nail, not scratched plastic
Why is it that you're thinking of moving over to the Tablet S?
I'd say that both are great devices...but one isn't a big enough upgrade from the other.
My guess is that you're like me and just like getting NEW stuff lol. You should force yourself to wait and buy a tegra 3 device. Even wait and get the next sony one with tegra 3 or stick with ASUS or whatever lol. I don't think it's too good an idea to move between the tegra 2 tablets right now. You'll just be finding sinilar pros and cons between all of them.
I didn't realize it either. Hell, I've owned my Xperia X10a for about a year and it took that long (and applying a third party screen protector) to realize Sony had put one on from the factory!
When you look at your tablet, look at the bottom corners holding it in landscape mode. You'll see the edges of the screen protector the easiest down there. My friend who removed his protector still hasn't put another one on and his screen doesn't have a single scratch - this is now about 1 month since we removed it. If you are intent upon removing it, it does take a bit of work but it will eventually come off if you go nice and slowly.
If you really only have a couple of scratches on it though, I suggest leaving it on. It is quite a thick piece of plastic and actually provides some great protection for the screen. If you're planning on putting another one on though, then go for it.
The Transformer is too heavy especially when connected to the keyboard dock.
I also like the blinking light (next to the On/Off key) when there are incoming emails.
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The factory screen protector does take a little work to remove. First things first you need to be able to pull up a corner of it, then it's just a matter of slowly tugging very hard. It's sticky, and we actually had 2 people work on it - 1 holding it and 1 tugging at the protector until we eventually got it off. Underneath the screen itself will be kinda sticky afterwards, but that was cleaned up pretty quickly. I was actually quite surprised how well the screen itself resisted fingerprints when compared to the factory protector and the Sony protector.
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I finally got the screenprotector from the tablet it's much better this way, just like my arc, with less dust and fingerprints. (My arc is a year old and almost since the beginning without the screenprotector and has no scratches) thanx!
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Well I just like sony better but my asus is a good tablet.
and yes I like having new stuff
I've had an offer to trade my tablet for a new tablet S, one on one no extra price
He guys just wanted to let you know I joined the club, tablet s owner reporting in
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He guys just wanted to let you know I joined the club, tablet s owner reporting in
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Good choice mate, sony s is a great tablet, very portablet, not to big, not to small!!
And the Sony S style is perfect to hold for long time
I know there's tons of threads out there about this issue but I wanted a flat out answer. So is the diagonal line issue a firmware issue or a hardware issue? In my language class (vietnamese) I take handwritten notes using ipad 2 using notability and adonit jot, and I am very happy with it, however there are many things that the Prime does that the ipad 2 cannot do (e.g. flash) and I would like to transition into android however using the Prime I cannot draw the necessary characters in class due to whatever glitches in the hardware firmware. Vietnamese requires a lot of diagonal slashes, squiggles, and hooks and the Prime isn't cutting it for me right now. Is this something that can be fixed in the future or is it a hardware limitation?
P.S. not willing to wait then shell out a boat load of money for the atmus whatever pen.
say what? Never heard anything about diagonal line issues link pls
Works with stylus but you may want to use touch screen tune to tweak for smooth op with no skips. Palm detect does not work. I use a stylus daily for taking notes and works fine.
Well it works alright if you have a good stylus, but i prefer real paper and a pen, or just write it with the keyboard dock. But thats just my preference.
Does someone want to actually answer the OP
These responses are not helping the guy. He is not asking if you CAN take notes, or how it works or if it works well or not. He is referring to a specific issue with the Prime (and others regarding the rendition of diagonal lines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHpfkI6l1-0&sns=tw
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...mer-primetouch-screen-response-is-this-normal
If you don't have an answer for him, why post a comment? I will only say that the Prime, unlike HTC Tablets with digitizers and the Samsung Note I believe DOES have issues here. I am sorry that I do not know if firmware alone can fix it, all of my research has been inconclusive to date. If anyone knows if this is likely to be unfix able, and WHY that would be really helpful. For everyone who wants to say how they take notes with a a pen and paper, or like how the Prime takes notes with Adjonit Jot or other fine point styli, thats great, but not too helpful.
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These responses are not helping the guy. He is not asking if you CAN take notes, or how it works or if it works well or not. He is referring to a specific issue with the Prime (and others regarding the rendition of diagonal lines)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHpfkI6l1-0&sns=tw
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...mer-primetouch-screen-response-is-this-normal
If you don't have an answer for him, why post a comment? I will only say that the Prime, unlike HTC Tablets with digitizers and the Samsung Note I believe DOES have issues here. I am sorry that I do not know if firmware alone can fix it, all of my research has been inconclusive to date. If anyone knows if this is likely to be unfix able, and WHY that would be really helpful. For everyone who wants to say how they take notes with a a pen and paper, or like how the Prime takes notes with Adjonit Jot or other fine point styli, thats great, but not too helpful.
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Hello thanks for defending me I appreciate it. I own the original asus transformer as well as the iPad 2 and I can say that both are much more capable of handwritten notes than the asus prime. It's not just the fact that the htc flyer and Samsung note have active digitizers it is the digitizer software or hardware on the prime that there are problems with using a stylus. If you slowly make a diagonal line in any program even with touchscreen tune you'll see that the lines are jagged for some reason and not straight like on the original transformer or iPad 2 which also do not haves active digitizers. I cannot use the prime to annotate PDFs as it is now and am wondering if this can be fixed in the future or should I look for another device to fit my needs if that makes it clearer at all. Thank you.
But can you write in normal letters?
I ordered the Prime specifically for handwriting, so i really want to know this.
If not, is the original transformer capable of writing normal letters?
It is quite choppy and doesn't feel natural at all. Asus transformer is much better but still not the best. If specifically for handwriting I would look elsewhere at this point like towards a lenovo thinkpad tablet or something with an active digitizer unless an update will fix this and make it like the original transformer. As for me i was looking for the best of both worlds and hoped to find it here but i guess not. Good luck in your search.
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But can you write in normal letters?
I ordered the Prime specifically for handwriting, so i really want to know this.
If not, is the original transformer capable of writing normal letters?
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Thanks, so it doesn't look like this on your prime?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195Z4V6qO-Y
This looks acceptable for me for handwriting.
Seeing this vid it looks like it is a problem with hardware, as a friend of mine doesn't have the choppy lines too.
Anyway, I will test it on the one on display in the shop before I buy it.
Yes it is like that if you watch the video handwriting only registers when he writes really slowly. How is there any way I can keep up in class writing in slow motion? But anyway if this fits your needs and is acceptable for you then go for it the only way you'll ever know is by testing it out yourself right?
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Thanks, so it doesn't look like this on your prime?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=195Z4V6qO-Y
This looks acceptable for me for handwriting.
Seeing this vid it looks like it is a problem with hardware, as a friend of mine doesn't have the choppy lines too.
Anyway, I will test it on the one on display in the shop before I buy it.
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handwriting just doesn't work for me
This is the best i can manage on the prime.
This combination of Bamboo stylus and Quill was *nearly* perfect for me on the Transformer.
The Bamboo and certain apps on a different tablet we entirely usable, even better than paper and pencil for me especially when taking notes on textbooks or pdfs in class. I *want* that ability on the Prime! It is essential for me.
In the image you can see three attempts that say approximately the same thing each time, written at a pace that worked okay on the Transformer, and perfectly on the iPad 2.
Each example also demonstrates three setting levels for Touchscreen tuner.
I need suggestions. Does anyone know how to get substantially better results?
I've just ordered a few pens , dagi and Adonit jot. and planing on testing the screen/ touch calibration tool l found on the market.
Has anyone had any luck in improving the accuracy of the screen??
I would like to see your results. my post above yours includes examples of using touchscreen tune.
now if i slow my pace of writing to glacially slow and write twice as large as i need to i can get better results. that example was at the pace i need.
I'm still waiting for the pens, will probably have to root the device.
a short story
Ok a short update / review:
I have ranked the 3 pens and tested them with 4 different apps.
The score:
based on 1-10 ( 1 = super crap , 10 the mother/father/brother of all pens thus far)
Quality : build quality from the handle to the tips. Potential durability
Accuracy: this is based on the "limited time" l have had to play with them, as well as the fact that l haven't yet tried to tune the screen etc
Speed: How fast can you ink with realistic accuracy
overall feel: how does it feel to use etc
total score: guess what this means....
Misc: other factors that might have en impact, both positive and negative. Note this one does not impact the overall score.
The targus and pogo sketch it pens l have rated as 6,5/10 .
Quality : 7 / 10
Accuracy: 6 / 10
speed: 6,5 / 10 ( you have to ink slower then feels natural)
overall feel: 7 / 10
total score: 6,5 - 7 / 10 depending on use
Both were ok, and decent enough for browsing and quick sketch, but note taking was a bit awkward in the long run. Quality was about the same, l got both second hand so wont go into detail.
Pens
Wacom Bamboo standard softtip
Adonit Jot swivel hard tip
Dagi swivel hard tip on a spring
For review sake l also got a pen from targus and sketch it ( both soft tips)
apps
supernotes
Freenotes
Writepad Stylus
Lecture pad trial
The app l had the most success with was actually the supernotes. Though the writepad stylus was a close second. This is based on accuracy and useability on the default settings. With that said writepad and freenotes have a lot of customisation functions, while supernote is rather basic. The lecture pad was by no means bad, it's very similar to freenotes , but has a lot more "lecture functionality" that l didn't test. The focus was on the pens and not the apps.
In short
out of the box, supernotes.
if you ahve time to tinker and play around with it then any of the other three will do just fine. The main difference is what you need it for and what extra functions , such as "notebooks" and save to pdf, jpeg ..other formats, are available.
Impressions of the pens.
Note these impressions are based on about 2 + hours of use with each pen. testing writing , notes, sketch and basic drawing ( l suck at the last part, but gave it a go non the less) I will mention accuracy , but will not provide any picture just yet ( having problems with rooting my tab and havent tuend the screen yet)
Wacom
Is one of the best soft tip pens l have tested. It has a good feel and solid gripp and the smalest soft tip of the 3 soft tip ones. Feels like a quality kit, though l can imagine the tips wear down fast if used a lot.
With that said the tip is a tad too soft. As in it caves in on it self , and for best effect you have to press harder then with the targus or sketch it ones.
Rating
Quality : 8 / 10. Fells like a good piece of kit, might have issues with the tips of the pen in the long run. 2 spares included.
Accuracy: 6,5 / 10 , ok for sketch but notetaking is too impractical. Needs a lot of preassure to register. Actually more then the pogo and targus.
Speed:: 7 / 10 , it takes some pressure for it to register and that slows you down, as well as the lack to sensitivity. Might be screen / app related-
overall feel: 7,5 / 10 , sits well in hand , there is enough resistance while inking that it has a sort of paper feel to it, and the tips are soft so no risk of screen damage.
total score: 7,5 /10
Misc: Questionable if it's worth the extra cash in comparison with targus, griffin or pogo. Spare tips are expensive
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Adonit jot.
Very diferent from the other pens l have tested. Take a look at the site and you'll see what l mean. It's a sort of small glass plate attached on a ball joint that sort of swivels . Interesting and novel concept. It gives you a smaller "tip" and at the same time gives you a better view of what you are trying to draw/ write. An example is when you are drawing a box, hitting the lines exactly spot on is much harder when you can actually see what part of the tip is actually registering .with the see through plate you can hit the exact point ( more or less) and allows for much greater precision. Big bonus.
Overall quality is rather impressive. though on the web page they keep talking about a magnet in the pens so you can attach it to the side of the tab. that does NOT work on Transformer prime, though it did work with an ipad l borrowed.
The tip seems sturdy and you don't have to apply much pressure for anything to register on the screen. though l am a tad worried about scratching the screen. Guess that depends on how much you push. it comes with tip cover that is screwed on so the tips isn't exposed when it's not in use.( think old school pens with a smal cap on the tip)
Score
Quality : 9 / 10, feels like a premium piece of kit, high quality materiials used.
Accuracy: 8,5 / 10 , the see-through helps a lot, and you don't need to press down so hard. it glides quite easily over the screen
Speed: 8,5 / 10 sort of same reason as above, but you still have to move a tad slower then feel natural. again might be screen or app related.
overall feel: 9 / 10 one of the best l have tried thus far, sits well. easy to use. Good quality
total score: 9
Misc: Quick delivery, but no extra glass plates / tips for the pen?? not a big issue but still...
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Dagi
It's based around the same concept as the Adonit jot, but instead of a ball joint it's connected to a rather stiff mini spring system. That in it self requires somewhat more pressure, and makes it a tad cumbersome to write and draw on and angle. Note, the tips are softer ,thig less glass and more rubberised plastic, still see through.It doesn't glide over the screen as smoothly as the adonit jot, but the extra friction does make it feel more like a pen. It's up to personal preference.
Quality wise it's very similar to the adonit jot, but the jot has a tad more premium feel to it. I'de say it a tad lower on the scale. One cool feature is that it got a pen clip function so you can attach it like a real pen. This is more look and feel the practicality. but it makes it easier to attach to a note book or in a case with a pen holder.It also comes with a pen cap / cover thing that you can screw on to protect you tips.
Quality : 8 / 10 , still good quality , but the jot feels a tad more high end. Still rather fancy. The tip is sturdier , and stiffer, but might be more prone to breaking / falling off. Though you do get 3 extras.
Accuracy:8 / 10 , it's somewhat stiffer and a tad more awkward to use at angles. It keeps wanting to straighten up. the increased friction of the tip might make it a tad less accurate.
Speed:: 8 / 10 the rubberised tip increases friction, but sensitivity isn't affected much.
overall feel: 8 / 10 , it sort of comes down to personal preference between this one and the jot. if l didn't have the jot to compare with then well then this one would have been the king of the hill.
total score: 8 / 10 not much to say really.
Misc, not much to say here either. It is a good little stylus. Relatively accurate , easy to get used to. I even got an extra gift from dagi ( no clue why), a mini iphone pen, same principle but much smaller .
Last Word.
Even with the best stylus, l had issues with snesitivivty and accuracy. And of course the wriggly lines ( when you try to draw a straight line). The straightness of the lines were direcly related to speed. the faster l drew the lines the more straight it got, but l still feel the accuracy was lower then on the ipad.
This doesn't have *that much effect on note taking. The biggest issue here is the sensitivity issue, and general accuracy when it came to note taking, ie writing legible letters. Even with the best one, l had to write slower and larger for it to be legible. I haven't don much inking on other tabs , but l do have a lenovo x210 tablet at home with a built in wacom pressure board. And trust me BIG difference. Lenovo = as good as a pen and paper , Transformer prime = pen and fat white board marker . ( ok maybe not *that bad, but close enough)
Hope this helps, I'm trying to root the pad and calibrate the screen. then l might take the time to do a point to point comparison test of accuracy and speed one again.
Hi, I bought prime yesterday and updated it to ics and 9.4.2.21. One thing I would like to do with my tablet is to take handwritten notes. It doesn't seem to do that very well at the moment. Is there a safe way to install touchscreen tune in my device (will i lose warranty)? Or are there any similar apps that wouldn't need root?
Biggest problems seems to be that recognition of writing is too slow and it won't pick up small movement. Diagonal lines aren't straigth when drawing, but that isn't major issue for me.
well the app in i self is very safe, but you have to root the unit. Since you only have to root the unit and NOT unlock it for the app to work then the warranty etc is still good to go.
Go here and follow the root instructions, trust me easy as cake , took like 2 min all good.
this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427125
and this one ( same info but simplified)
http://www.androidauthority.com/root-asus-transformer-prime-in-one-click-44242/
let me know if you run into problems.
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well the app in i self is very safe, but you have to root the unit. Since you only have to root the unit and NOT unlock it for the app to work then the warranty etc is still good to go.
Go here and follow the root instructions, trust me easy as cake , took like 2 min all good.
this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1427125
and this one ( same info but simplified)
http://www.androidauthority.com/root-asus-transformer-prime-in-one-click-44242/
let me know if you run into problems.
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Thanks, but are you sure those guides work on latest update? Other users are saying, that there aren't root for .21 yet...
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You can take good notes with the Prime, im using a cheap 4euro Stylus and it works perfectly, BUT, Touchscreen Tuner is needed for it to work.
Check my post about it here
Okay, I just copied one of your Posts using SuperNote and my Touchscreen Settings. It looks good imo, the last part looks way better not cause the Prime, but because I cant for my live write "pretty" if I have to write somewhat fast lol.
Here are my settings:
- Min movement amount: 0
- Disable movement filtering: checked
- Touch sensitivity: 30
- Palm detection: 0 (recommended for stylus writting).
then go to the menu (top-right) button, tap on "Set filter off value" and set it to 0. < this last part is super important, without this and filter check off it looks like your pic.
I think the prime does a wonderful job, I just gotta re-learn how to write lol sorry for my awful handwritting ^^
I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Cheers
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I'm interested in buying the tablet for handwriting and even drawing if possible. Does anyone have any experience they can share?
Cheers
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I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.
I have a Jot classic, and it works great. The sensitivity is very good.
http://adonit.net/jot/
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I've used my Tablet Z for handwriting/notetaking and tried using the tab for drawing. The initial firmware the device came with in my case ( 10.1.C.0.344 ) had, quite frankly, very poor performance using a variety of styluses. Ultimately, I opted for a Jot-flip stylus, as it had the best relative performance (was okay, others were bad).
The firmware update to 10.1.C.0.370 greatly improved the performance of the touch screen & its responsiveness. That said, there still is some room for improvement in this department.
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It takes some getting used to in order to be able to draw. In portrait mode, I don't really have to worry about resting my hand on the screen, but it seems to happen quite often in landscape. This is an annoyance but isn't a deal breaker.
If you've got an app you'd like for me to try or anything else, I'd be willing to give my impressions.
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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Thank you for the insightful experience.
I have heard a lot of good things about the Papyrus app, some samsung users even prefer this over the default S-note app. Perhaps you could try that out and see if you like it?
As for resting hand on the screen while drawing, I was thinking if wearing a glove would help, or pull a long sleeve shirt all the way to cover your hand that will be contacting the screen.
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I've used Papyrus on my Note 2 quite a bit and it is one hell of a lot better that S-Note. Using it with a stylus on the XTZ is a big difference for me, I have used styluses (styli?) In the past on other tablets (Kindle Fire, original Asus Transformer, and a couple others) and there is a huge difference in the XTZ and other tablets. It seems like the XTZ is much much better and responds faster than the others but there is much to be desired IMHO. It is doable most definitely and works better than the others over personally tested, except for the Sammy devices, but if you want a tablet specifically for note taking and serious drawing I think you would be better off either getting one of the Note tablets or a Wacom tablet.
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