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Hi all.I just bought an ipad and i would like to share some thoughts on how this two compares. I decide for first gen, because its was on sale, 32 GB 3g version for just 499€ (with some extra discount) and software wise its pretty much like his young brother.
Build quality is much better than folio, it dont even compares. It fell solid as hell.
The screen is very good, but just a bit smaller than the one on folio.
One thing it misses are the stereo speakers. I would say that folio had in fact better sound.
Speed wise folio is faster. Pages load a lot faster and apps too. Despite that ipad does still runs fine for most apps and games.
Apps in ipad are much richer and polished... And app store is clean and well organised than android market.
Of course ipad doesnt have flash support but this days some major sites are jumping into html5. Still folio is taking the lead here.
One other thing that can give the edge to ipad are accessories... Most are very expensive though There are lots and lots of staff to improve ipad usability. In other hand folio doesnt need to be connect to an pc to get started, and you can use sd cards for grabbing content. Ipad does need to connect to a pc or mac for kick start, and It doesnt sync over the air.
Costumization is very poor under iOS and android is more open in terms of its homescreen replacements.
Ipad keyboard is not as good as other android keyboards just like thumbs keyboard, but its definetly better tha stock android keyboard.
Ipad is very stable and clean... Folio have lots of bugs and it crashes a lot.
Office suite from apple is a must and surpasses android apps on this matter.
One thing Ipad misses is hdmi out, but even using standard AV adaptor output is quite good. It also doesnt do 1080p, but again video is still very good. Folio hdmi output take the lead here.
Apple support is great and you can get extend protection in top of that. Toshiba support is as bad as We all know. One other thing is that with ipad you are sure that you will get iOS updates.
I will say that ipad is a more solid and finished product. Folio was a good try but its not as good as specs suggests, mainly because software and hardware issues that toshiba doesnt wont to fix.
I also would like to refer that battery life on Ipad is quite good, not to say outstanding. Folio is on average but not as long...
bastospn said:
Hi all.I just bought an ipad and i would like to share some thoughts on how this two compares. I decide for first gen, because its was on sale, 32 GB 3g version for just 499€ (with some extra discount) and software wise its pretty much like his young brother.
Build quality is much better than folio, it dont even compares. It fell solid as hell.
The screen is very good, but just a bit smaller than the one on folio.
One thing it misses are the stereo speakers. I would say that folio had in fact better sound.
Speed wise folio is faster. Pages load a lot faster and apps too. Despite that ipad does still runs fine for most apps and games.
Apps in ipad are much richer and polished... And app store is clean and well organised than android market.
Of course ipad doesnt have flash support but this days some major sites are jumping into html5. Still folio is taking the lead here.
One other thing that can give the edge to ipad are accessories... Most are very expensive though There are lots and lots of staff to improve ipad usability. In other hand folio doesnt need to be connect to an pc to get started, and you can use sd cards for grabbing content. Ipad does need to connect to a pc or mac for kick start, and It doesnt sync over the air.
Costumization is very poor under iOS and android is more open in terms of its homescreen replacements.
Ipad keyboard is not as good as other android keyboards just like thumbs keyboard, but its definetly better tha stock android keyboard.
Ipad is very stable and clean... Folio have lots of bugs and it crashes a lot.
Office suite from apple is a must and surpasses android apps on this matter.
One thing Ipad misses is hdmi out, but even using standard AV adaptor output is quite good. It also doesnt do 1080p, but again video is still very good. Folio hdmi output take the lead here.
Apple support is great and you can get extend protection in top of that. Toshiba support is as bad as We all know. One other thing is that with ipad you are sure that you will get iOS updates.
I will say that ipad is a more solid and finished product. Folio was a good try but its not as good as specs suggests, mainly because software and hardware issues that toshiba doesnt wont to fix.
I also would like to refer that battery life on Ipad is quite good, not to say outstanding. Folio is on average but not as long...
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Couldn't agree more, that's exactly what I felt when using both as well.
In respect to graphics, tegra 2 as of course better potencial. But the shortage of tegra 2 optimized games is here to last...
How smooth is the folio with foliomod v1.4 compared to the iPad when using the Internet? I'm having a hard time convincing myself not to choose the iPad over the folio. But folio is so much cheaper and more fun loading new roms and home replacements and such....
I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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Does the foliomod rom improve the internet experience? Is there a video somewhere? I´ve seen the video with foliomod 0.2, but is there any newer? perhaps with a comparison?
How does it handle flash, like HDmt.net for example? Would it be possible to run that and display it to a tv? Does the tv mirror what´s on your device or does the folio´s screen turn black?
Btw, I think itunes sync is a plus... (But a option would be great...)
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I find the iPad (gen1) very slow for web browsing, plus you are much more restricted about the choice of browsers. There are some big differences between the two, which one is best will depend on where your priorities are. Not having to use itunes to manage my (legally paid for) music is a huge plus for the folio for me.
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Browsing it's not terrible slow on Ipad, but sure is slower than Folio. I think the main problem here is the lack of RAM, this happens when you have lots of tabs open. You can use Life browser that is in my opinion works better than Ipad.
You have lots and lots of browser for iOS, but hardware limitations are of course still affecting performance.
I 100% agree that itunes is not the best tool in the world to organize you music, but I guess I can live with that.
The answer is a big YES. you will get awesome browsing experience with FolioMod.
Still in my opinion it isn't all that stable, maybe because of flash.
You can of course use hdmi out to get a mirror on your TV or LCD display monitor.
cnet reviews has a rating system for all of the electronic gadgets it rates, a scale of 1 to 10 on each of the following categories: design, features, and performance. They rated the GT 10.1 as 8, 6, and 8 respectively.
I was wondering how you all would rate the GT 10.1 based on those categories and the same scale.
I gotta say, I disagree with their assessment, especially when the ipad 2 got 9, 8, and 8 respectively. It's funny that they call out all the similarities between the 2 in terms of design with the only difference being the backing (GT 10.1 uses a plastic backing whereas ipad 2 uses aluminum)--& that is worth a whole point difference. I don't know.
I think that review is a little outdated, but I'm curious to see how everyone on here would rate it.
My rating would be a 9 (I don't think a plastic-backing is enough to knock off a point), 7, and 8 at least.
How I would rate the GT 10.1
design: 9 its the thinnest lightest tablet on the market.
features: 7 it isnt where androids phones are as far as apps and development but google has shown us that ti can and will be there.
performance: 9 the tab, even though is not refined yet i would still say it is blazing fast. only time i see lag is when i type in forums online.
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How I would rate the GT 10.1
design: 9 its the thinnest lightest tablet on the market.
features: 7 it isnt where androids phones are as far as apps and development but google has shown us that ti can and will be there.
performance: 9 the tab, even though is not refined yet i would still say it is blazing fast. only time i see lag is when i type in forums online.
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Hate to piggy back on your review but that how exactly I feel. Only difference between I pad and this is that this will get better as more devs get involve. Pershoot is doing great job getting it started.
They gave the ipad2 more for performance? They should check the Tegra2 converted Ipad2 games and recalculate. Compare Galaxy on Fire 2, the Tegra2 Version has more Polygons and still more FPS.
And features 8 for Ipad2? Well, they never surf the web and miss some kind of flash, including browser games? That is a huge problem. And how to watch movies on ipads? Movies are 16:9 not 4:3, so you have to strech or to watch thick black borders reducing your effective tablet size down by 3-4 inches.
The only valid argument for an ipad2 are the offered apps - everything else is below 10.1. Oh and the metal backplate.
I'd have to go 9,7,9 too.
9 for design. Love it
6 on features. I only say this because i cant play any music on it that i transfered from my computer. and beleive me i have tried everything to fix it. Google music just closes right after being opened. Or if im lucky enough to have it not auto exit out it wont rexognize my music thats on the phone.
8 for performance. Some times it lags out super hard like a over loaded computer from the 90's. Yes i make sure memery ram is atleast half emtpy and fresh restarts but idk. Lags hard 1/3 of the time.
BUT the web browsing almost makes up for all of this. Id rather brows on my tab then my $1800 custom build desk top. Next to non on web! Hope they update software and fix this stuff. Cause i know the hardware is amazing. Just need to work the kinks out and get some more apps and widgets and ill be in the 10's and 10's all around !
Design: 8
Thin and light, looks really good. Pleasure to hold.
Features: 6
No micro SD on an Android tablet, seriously? Even the optional keyboard dock and media dock don't include SD or USB ports.
Performance: 6
Tegra 2 is weak at video decoding. Android 3.1 is sluggish and unresponsive at times. Lots of room for improvement.
Design: 9 (10 because I have the google i/o edition!)
It's amazingly thin, it has a widescreen (wtf ipad?) and with a nice case it goes along nicely with a backpack.
Features: 7
No sd card slot. Proprietary ports. Missing some key apps like netflix and so on.
Performance: 7
My issues with performance are more of an issue with honeycomb. Slow web browsing, unable to hide the bottom bar completely, sometimes lags/crashes.
My biggest issues are really with honeycomb, it does feel like a beta product. But in comparison the ipad wouldn't fair to well in MY scoring system. The only thing the ipad has is iOS feels more stable and it has more apps. Everything else it performs much worse. From design to features.
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Design: 8
Thin and light, looks really good. Pleasure to hold.
Features: 6
No micro SD on an Android tablet, seriously? Even the optional keyboard dock and media dock don't include SD or USB ports.
Performance: 6
Tegra 2 is weak at video decoding. Android 3.1 is sluggish and unresponsive at times. Lots of room for improvement.
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Totally agree with you.
Another 9-7-9
hmm, seems like the fellas at cnet need to read these forums... thanks for the comments -- keep em coming. this is definitely an interesting read
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I'd have to go 9,7,9 too.
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Count me in this boat as well. I wouldnt trade it for any other tablet, including the Toshiba. The performance, combined with the build quality & form factor, and the sexiness of this device has me all-in.
Love it. I almost didnt buy it after the whole microSD craze, but even though I'd love to have it, that was wuhayyy overblown. There's so many ways to create extra storage and to interconnect devices easily.
9-7-9
Not bothered about micro sd, if we didn't have that propriety port then 9-9-9.
I can't understand why developers choosing to make more iOS apps counts against the 10.1 in ratings. It shouldn't be held against the tablet if developers prefer to write for the iPad more than the Android.
Design: 9
Very thin and light, however is hard to grab without a cover. (too thin lol)
Features: 8
No micro SD is fine for me, everything else was OK.
Performance: 4
I wouldn't feel happy with the performance at current state, it doesn't feel smooth when switching screen. You can see the widget jiggling from side to side when you pull the screen slowly but it does feel great if you tab the side to flip around. My iPad1 was way more smooth compared with 10.1.
I still couldn't find any reading app in honeycomb that is able to turn a page as smooth as iPad1.
9.5 /9/6
Only a tard would give it an 8 in first category. Unless I'm comparing to the future this thing is amazingly designed. No corners, no typical metallic back ,really thin bezel but not so thin that it interferes with screen use. 16:9 gorgeous hd screen. Great speaker placement and quality.
Only shortcomings of course are lack of built in ports... but with sd usb hdmi all possible via attachment its a plus that you end up with the best of both worlds.
(I'm only talking to aesthetics not value)
No portrait only home button.
Good quality cameras on both sides.
Only actual hardware issue that easy to pick at is tegra 2s awful codec playback.
( Most people blame honeycomb for the lag, google blames tegra2)
Eventually most tablets will be thinner and or lighter. But as of today no tablet has better hw than galaxy tab. Its not even a discussion.
If the tab and the ipad2 were *both* running web os or windows 8 you'd be a fool to pick up an ipad.
Performance of Honeycomb is obviously annoying many. Google's non chalant attitude of blaming hardware and not addressing ux issues is troublesome. The lack of apps bothers most people at some point. Choppy video and laggy browser typing remain unfixed on the tab.
So again say what you want about honeycomb....but the hardware is best in class.
Performance dropped a lot with 3.1 + TouchWiz compared with 3.0.1.
I've also noticed that the quality of font rendering on system components (like the url textbox on the browser) is worse with 3.1 + TouchWiz.
TouchWiz brings a bunch of system changes and I suspect it's responsible for many of the lag/quality issues.
that's why people made adw.launcher and launcherpro.
touchwizz is just a one time shot to fool people that samsung has awesome support.
in reality, 90% of all customers prefer plain android. touchwiz should be an optional app, not a replacement.
better they improve their update politics, would be much more usefull. but instead they delay everything just for tochwizz - and it still fails
I'm assuming you mean 10.1 v ?
Design: I would rate it a 10, maybe 10.1 , considering how fast Samsung reacted to the ipad2.
Features: probably a 6 or 7, no micro sd and only ok-ish cameras.
Performance: 7. For the most part performance is great, but in any view that's not the normal landscape, you can see that the UI and browsers arn't quite as smooth. That's a big negative for me because I like holding it like a book sometimes.
Hey guys!
Firstly, I would like to mention that I do not own any tablet, nor any laptop. Now from what I've seen, if I want to buy a tablet, transformer prime is the best out there both in terms of price and hardware.
But my question is, for that same price (500 - 600), could I get any laptop with that kind of size and weight, but have better performance? I absolutely love the android niche and community and the hardware of the device itself. But every now and then I would love to run some old or decent games (morrowind xD, or halo) or perhaps use photoshop etc.... Would such a laptop, light, compact and relatively more powerful, at that price range exist? What are the advantages of a tablet considering my concerns?
Thanks guys!
be nice on the no0b plz
I was in the same case as you are before i bought the original transformer. No laptop no tablet, but a smartphone (HTC Desire) and a powerfull desktop computer.
Here's the thing. At this price point, the laptop you would buy will most likely be very bad on a lot of point. Build weight heat screen battery raw power etc.
But with a tablet. At this price you'll have the best in class.
So Yeah you wont do the same thing on a tablet and on a laptop, but some thing are better on laptop (work, heavy gaming) some are better on tablet (web browsing reading light gaming watching vidéo etc.).
The catch is that your laptop, being a low cost product, wont do its things very well, but the tablet will do what it does perfectly.
I could have bought a cheap laptop and be able to work on my CGs project on the go or play Skyrim everywhere but seriously... who wants to play Skyrim on a ****ty laptop with awfull graphics ? Who wants to work on a tiny screen with a slow ass CPU ? Working is bad enough not to worsening it by doing it with bad tools. And who wants to do this thing for no more than 2 hours top because that's what happen when you do heavy task on battery?
If you Really want to work or play big games on a mobile device, buy a real laptop (1000$+).
If what s your looking for is a mobile entertainement device with internet and some cool creative tools go for a tablet (the Transformer Prime !).
Plus tablet are hype and fun, and the Transformer with dock provide its fair share of "Woa effect " each time I take the screen away of what seemed until now to be a cheap netbook.
First off, a tablet and a laptop aren't really comparable at this point. I would recommend you get a laptop first, because laptops are capable of doing the practical things like word processing and photoshop and the like that tablets can't do yet. Tablets are still primarily "fun" devices compared to laptops (though tablets certainly do have some practical uses).
Yes, any laptop you get in that range will have better specs. I have a laptop in that range, and no tablets have the sort of capabilities my laptop has. But like I said it isn't really comparable, because they are 2 completely different experiences. As far as games, I've only ever played 1 game on my laptop: Homeworld (a 1999 game lol, old game but best RTS ever). Despite how old the game is, it still pushed my laptop to its limit, and I have a i5 processor. The only laptops that can run games well are really expensive, and so in that sense, I actually think in the under $1k range tablets are better for gaming.
Overall, a laptop is a much more practical choice.
the advantages to a tablet at this price point are going to be battery life, weight and touch input.
the advantages to a laptop at this price point are going to be more storage, faster CPU, more versatility when it comes to software.
downside to tablet: limited software (when compared to windows), less raw power
downside to laptop: subjectively worse gaming (at this price point, the tegra3 or ipad2 seem to have more gaming potential for well designed games than a $600 thin and light (as thin and light as possible at the price point) laptop, less battery life, heavier, thicker, no touch input (but possibly better keyboard/touchpad responsiveness)
so in the end, it comes down to what you are going to use your laptop or tablet for, and what features are a priority to you.
i have a laptop that i do actual photoshop/office/illustrator work on, but when i just need to take notes or write emails and stuff (as in, not get actual work work done, but sidework) then the OG transformer and my galaxy tab have been more useful than a tablet because of the lightness and battery life. for me at least.
Laptop is much better. Unless you use it as a supplement to other tech (desktop computer, mobile phone, heavy duty laptop), it is better to have a laptop. While you lose out on battery, it is simply much more powerful and versatile.
Tablet like Prime is useful as a netbook replacement. Something you use during lectures for notes, reading, browsing or viewing videos while on the go (plane, bus, carpooling). It has a long battery life, but is less than adequate for gaming (you cannot play any modern games on it, nor games that were modern ten years ago, even if they look better). It also has barely adequate options for document creation and powerful photo, sound and video editing is nearly impossible. A laptop is also much, much better when multitasking.
But if you have a device for gaming and office work and consider tablet a supplement to those tools, then tablet is absolutely awesome. Tablet is also awesome for people who don't do anything with computers other than reading documents and books, viewing videos and browsing internet. It's also great for kids.
In all honesty though, for the latter category, iPad 2 is a much better option than Transformer Prime.
The best thing Transformer Prime is for, is being a replacement for your netbook and supplement to your laptop/desktop computer.
I already have an iphone 4 and in all honesty I couldn't get myself to buy an ipad knowing that its identical to the phone.
Ive decided to get the Prime instead of replacing my 4 year old laptop.
Wow! You guys are really helpful! I really appreciate thoughtful replies. I have some good insight now!
Thanks again guys!
If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
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If you currently own neither laptop nor tablet definitely get laptop. For ~$400 your best option is Lenovo AMD APU E-450 based netbook with better graphics performance/gaming/media decoding than comparable Intel Atom netbook. This will allow you to do everything that you can do on a tablet with the added benefit of access to wider range of software especially productivity and games. If budget allows you can go higher end with Intel i5/i7 CPU, discrete graphics, SSD, etc.
Asus Transformer Prime is a great upgrade for someone familiar with an Android phone ecosystem and is ready to move up in size and performance.
Another option is in lieu of a high end laptop you can buy both the AMD APU netbook and the Asus Transformer Prime. If I was in your position and don't do anything very compute intensive on the x86 side I would go with this option.
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Can't say I agree. He has made due without a laptop so far so to assume he would now need that extra functionality over a tablet would be a big assumption.
I currently do not have a laptop or a tablet but am getting the prime. Reason is that while there are a few things the laptop would be better suited for (like better word processing and excel) the fact is I haven't needed a laptop previously for those tasks and do not need them now. The basic office functions on the tablet will work fine for me (can format things at home).
When it comes down to it you need to really think what your main uses will be. For me its portable media consumption (much better on tablet) and annotating pdfs for classes (much better on tablet), and then studying off them. Sure a bit more power would be nice, but a tablet doesn't have to only be a laptop supplement, but a main PC supplement (which could be a desktop)
I just bought a new TS Prime last week and have 30 days to return. I'm thinking of doing so in favor of the TS Infinity. I'm worried that if Asus is no longer shipping the prime due to "defects", that the development community on the Prime will be fade quickly and become very small. I'm curious to see if the new Transformers will be similar enough that roms for each will be easy to port over. Also a full HD screen would be nice but will I be sacrificing smoothness and a lot of battery life as a result?
I'm very torn. I have had no issues with the Prime I just got. Wifi is as good as my Nexus and my GPS locks on in less than 10 seconds every time (only tested indoors). A micro usb slot would be nice but it appears as if none of the new Transformers will have that either. So I'm just asking for some opinions on why I should keep my Prime or return it and wait for the Infinity. If I'm spending 500+ dollars on a device, I'd like it to be pretty future proof.
I don't know of any future proof devices for less than $500. I saw plans for a time machine on ebay but I don't know where to get the crystals.
Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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Just keep the prime. It'll be fine. We already have great developement.
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While this is true ^ for people like me who mostly use their tabs for media, the 1200p screen is great.
Yeah but prime screen is just as good. No one will be able to tell the difference between a 1080P movie and a 720P HD movie on a 10.1 screen. Both will look great. The only difference is text will look a little sharper on infinity pad.
Not saying you, but people forgetting Prime was already crowned the best display out of any tablet before new Ipad arrived. So prime display is still great for watching media also.
Some people get stuck on the 1080P vs. 720P, too much, on a tablet if they want to use it for media. Human eye won't detect a difference in quality on a screen this size. On a big flat screen, yes. But even then its a slight increase in quality.
Now if you want it to read books and magazines then infinity display will be better for that and that's about it. Web pages and such still look very sharp and crisp on prime display. 1080P won't even be useful for gaming because there are no games running at that "true" resolution. THEN although tegra3 will handle it fine, if the exact same gpu or gpu clock speed is used, infinity pad will likely not perform as well as prime. Meaning prime will push faster FPS on games/movies..etc..
I keeping my prime till the new Asus Transformer pads with tegra4 release at end of year or Q1 of 2013. A prime to an infinity is not really much of an upgrade. Newer tegra4 transformer pads will likely have 1080p screen also. Then tegra4 will perform better than tegra3 at that same screen size resolution. Since tegra4 will be far more powerful than tegra3. IT HAS BEEN SAID Tegra4 will likely use same 4+1 core set except this time it'll be with Cortex [email protected] 28nm. Plus it's highly likely its gpu will be keplar based. Now that's something worth waiting for
Thanks, these replies have been quite helpful. Think I will stick with the Prime. I've kinda been falling in love with it. I guess there is always something new on the horizon. So the dockfor the prime won't be compatible with future models, correct?
One more thing, what is currently the best rom on prime. I'm new and just jumped on virtuous cause it seemed popular.
The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks... Guess the better screen will shine on that area. But otherwise there is not much reason, wifi is good enough and couldn't care much less about GPS.
Apart from the screen there is not much reason to upgrade...
About roms, running WSG0.0.6 now which is one of my favourites although the Android Open Kang project rom from jermaine151 is very sweet as well.
>The only reason I'd think about upgrading is with regards to reading ebooks...
The higher res isn't needed for ebooks. If legibility is a problem, you'd just enlarge the fonts. Ebooks are mostly text-only, so content can be reflowed, and it will just fill more pages.
What higher res would be good for is documents with mixed (text+graphics) layouts, and not specifically designed for tablets, eg mags and scientific/academic/trade docs in PDF format. Because text can't be reflowed without messing up the layout, you may not be able to enlarge text font. Then, the higher res allows small text to be more legible. If these types of docs aren't on your menu, then "hi-res" confers no benefit in this area.
One can make the case that "hi-res" would benefit web pages with small text. That argument would work for small displays like smartphones and maybe 7" tabs, but a 10" with 1280x800 is already a larger display res than most web sites are designed for.
That iPad 3 has a "better" display than previous iPad is more due to its better color filters (which allows for richer colors) than its increased res. Hi-res is good to have as a spec, because a quad-XGA will always sound better than just XGA, and 1080p better than 720p. But by itself it's not good enough as an eyes-on benefit. Apple understood this, and also boosted the color rendition.
Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
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Deciding between and N10 and N7, and I am torn.
Nexus 7
+ Smaller/More portable
+ Zippy Tegra 3
- 720p screen
Nexus 10
+ Insane Resolution
- Dual Core
That's all I really know about both devices. I have 2 friends with N7's and I really like the form factor, A LOT. But something about the N7 just doesn't sell me on it. Likewise, the N10 seems to be something I'm more familiar with, but the price tag seems like a bit much for me, considering I've never managed to see one in retail.
All opinions appreciated*
*unless its rude and snarky
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Well said and helped me make my decision! Nexus 10 it is! :good::good:
I'd only add one thing: the Tegra 3 in the Nexus 7 absolutely gets destroyed by the Exynos 5 in the N10. Even though the Exynos 5 is dual core, it's based on the newer A15 architecture which is a huge jump in performance, so the core count doesn't really matter in this case.
i bought the nexus 7 day 1, It was a awesome little tab and ran great until 4.2.1. New update smoothed it out a bit. It's nice, but I also have a Note 2 and the jump to the tab wasnt big enough. I still used it, but i just wasnt completly happy having both. I bought the Nexus 10 last week and love it. Its fast, great resolution, great camera and doesnt feel too big for me when im laying in bed which was my main concern. I actually booted up my N7 last night and just holding it i kept thinking "what is this a tablet for ants?". It's funny considering I dont get that feeling with the note 2, but then again its probably because i know its a phone not a tablet.
I'd say it depends what your phone is. If you have a iphone or something with a smaller screen, you might want to go for the N7, if its something in the bigger end near 5" or more, go with the N10
I went for the 10 over the 7 because I have a Galaxy S3 for portability and wanted a larger screen to use about the house. Oh and the specs of the 10 simply blew me away .
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I've purchased the Nexus 7 twice, and I've sold it twice. The first time I sold it was when I purchased the Nexus 10... Then I re-purchased it a month later because I missed the small form factor for when I was out of the house. I then return it 7 days later (yesterday) when I jumped ship to T-Mobile and upgraded my Nexus S to the Nexus 4. The Nexus 4 made the Nexus 7 a redundant piece of technology and also out performs it by a large margin.
The Nexus 7 is a great piece of equipment for the price.. I will give you the pros and cons..
Cons
* - Audio quality via the headphones is awful. There are a ton of apps claiming to make your headphones vomit rainbows and unicorns but those types of app packages I steer clear from as I don't believe in them as from past experience they never work. DAC matters not the app.
* - I/O speeds are slow.. You can see a side by side comparison I posted of the read/write speeds between the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 here. It can be slower to load apps/games than you might expect a tablet to perform. It's not bad, but compared to other devices it's noticable.
* - Color reproduction isn't the best.
* - (opinion) The Tegra 3 I wasn't impressed with.
* - No rear facing camera
Pros
* - Size: If you have no other tablet or a Smartphone with a large LCD like a Nexus 4 or GS3 then this will be a great portable device for you to get stuff done with.
* - Price: Currently what you get for the price is a good bargin. The longer its on the market though the slimmer this "good bargin" edge becomes and inches closer to being just another tablet on the market in a price range. It's still a great bang for the buck though and not much competes with it.. Yet...
Nexus 7 is exactly what it was aimed to be.. A good performing tablet on above average hardware for the price. You miss out on things like high i/o speeds and a rear camera but you have to give some things up for the $249 price tag.
Nexus 10
Cons
* - Same bad color reproduction the Nexus 7 had.. It's not a deal breaker but it's obvious.
* - The general consensus is don't buy them from Google directly. Find a retailer as it will make returns easier if it's defective.. Some believe the N10s have a high defect rate, some believe they don't.. It's currently the elephant in the room in the N10 forums. I wouldn't let it keep you from buying one but just be aware the concern exists.
* - Size.. It's 10 inches.. Some people think that this will never be a concern for them.. Until they get it and try making it a part of their daily schedule.. It's not meant to be throw in your pocket and carry around as a day planner.. It's big
* - You can't play Tegra HD games
* - It ain't cheap
Pros
* - Speed.. Speed.. Speed.. Mother of god is it fast
* - Resolution speaks for itself.. The screen is incredible
* - Battery life considering the pixels and speed the processor is putting out is fantastic. I average 8-10hrs of screen on time with non-gaming casual use.
* - Audio quality is excellent.. Woflson DAC on board.. No need for magic pills and As Seen On TV products to make it reproduce audio at high quality. The onboard speaker quality is really good also.
* - Gaming performance is excellent and far out performs the N7
Summary.. It depends.. If you plan on upgrading your phone (no idea what you have) soon I would go the Nexus 10.. Like I said.. Soon as I got my hands on a Nexus 4 the Nexus 7 became instantly redundant and outdated. The only thing sacrificed was 2.3 inches of screen but I gained ten fold in performance, screen quality and audio quality...
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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Thanks for saving me all that typing lol... that's exactly why I have a10 now. My wife has the Nexus 7. Between the I/O speeds and premium feel its a no brainer. I have two managers at work who are getting then after seeing mine. One even returned his 2 day old iPad4 because it was no comparison. Also not to be over looked are the front speakers. You never quite realize how bad cupping is to get decent sound is until you don't have to do it anymore.... pure perfection.
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You are absolutely correct about the sound quality, I've given up on the Nexus 10 a few times after feeling it was impossible to get one without major issues but keep coming back after trying other devices. My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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Jadefalkon said:
...My favorite alternative was the Asus Vivotab Smart but the volume is extremely low and poor sounding which ultimately made me return it and try a few more nexus 10's the sound quality on this tablet is amazing compared to the rest.
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I was actually considering buying this tablet in the future, but hearing the various reports of audio volume, it doesn't sound too good.
I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Wait for Google I/O. They will probably release a new tablet of some sorts
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Currently the Nexus 10 is the best tablet on the market. So if you wait for a new tablet it's probably going to come out at the end of the year
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Got my nexus 10 ordered and on the way! Can't wait!
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I sold my iPad 3 for it because I thought Google had gotten it right this time. Big mistake. Significant downgrade.
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How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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altimax98 said:
How so?
Better screen resolution. Even The Verge said it was on par if-not better then the iPad4 screen.
More memory
Lower price
Significantly better sound quality from forward firing speakers
I had an iPad 3, dad has a 4. I sold mine for the Nexus 7 and then upgraded to the N10. I have two friends at work getting them as well, one of whom returned his iPad4 after 3 days for the N10.
Although I'm a Android lover I was a huge advocate for the iPad. It was a great device done right. But not so much anymore. Google did an amazing job on this device and I can no longer recommend an iPad, only the apps are better, but to be honest in the past 6 months the play store has jumped by leaps and bounds
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Instability, Backlight bleed and battery life. Even on CM 10.1 I'm still getting random reboots everyday and 5 hours of screen on time. Compared to never rebooting and 12+ hours of screen on time. And I'd take the lower resolution over the 2560x1600 anyday if it meant zero backlight bleeding and much better performance.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I prefer Android. I'd just rather a cohesive and smooth experience like I have with my Note 2. If the Nexus 10 had that I would be stoked on it. But it doesn't. Gets the job done for now but I was happier with the iPad so I'll likely go back unless Samsung releases a Note 10.1 with retina quality display.
Edit Edit: I'm also not saying the iPad is objectively better because you can't say that about either. I'm just saying for my use, in my experience, the iPad was smoother and much more stable. No random reboots for me on it whereas on the Nexus 10 it would lock up all the time and the battery life was wonderful. You can say, "Oh you shouldn't use your tablet more than 5 hours a day anyway" but that's also assuming you are always in a location where you can charge it.
I get Nexus 10 as:
Insane resolution, the wording was extreme clear and sharp, far better than my laptop.
Smooth performance. In market, not much Android tablet was smooth as this, for current available android tablet, I only can accept Padfone 2.
It is not iOS, sorry iOS never my prefer OS due to it restriction and boring interface.
** Reboot/hang issue was fixed 99% now in 4.2.2, so I am ok with it. Anyway Google really need more stability build on it Android OS, as no doubt it still cannot compete with stability of iOS.
My N10 just arrived a week ago...
I've been all over the place... with 2 7" tablets, 2 7.7" tablets, 2 8.9" tablets and 2 10.1" tablets in the last year.
This month, I had the Kindle Fire 8.9... which at 250 is an amazing value for a media tablet with some android compatibility. I got tired of the KF89's limitations like the accelometer, having to lock rotation, lack of compatibility, difficulty in getting a CM rom and my own decision to buy the 16gb version. I decided to get the Galaxy Note 10.1 as it was the fastest Android tablet under $400 with removable memory. I was very unhappy with it from the hour I unboxed it and decided I was done beating around the bush.
I wanted to have a no-compromise Android tablet... and today that tablet is the Nexus 10 32GB. In a few months it will be a Exnos 5 quad, or a Tegra 4 or a Qualcomm 800... but today it's the Nexus 10. And in the near (18 month) future, the N10 will stay ahead of the curve in full-size rom development. It feels good... sounds good, looks good and works well.
I would just buy the nexus 10 because of the screen size and use it to watch free/new/theater/ hd movies (I'm going to post the link to the app later in a new thread) but I dont know if the app would be compatible with the n10
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I didn't originally plan to buy it. Planned on getting the Nexus 7, but once I got to staples, it just seemed to small, Saw they had the N10 but not on display, So I took a shot in the dark since had 2 weeks to return it, but once I booted it I was hooked, I love the size, still fairly portable for me, I use it A LOT more than I expected and it does so much more then I could think of, I love taking it to work and playing Playstation games on it with ease, or SNES/NES games to just sitting back watching movies via plex/netflix. The screen is amazing even at half brightness everything looks beautiful. and of couse that darn tapped out game is just perfect for the big 10inch screen..I got the 32gb since all they had, and its way more than enough for this beast. Team it up with the Moko slim fit multiangle case. I am just VERY please with this purchase
I have currently a N4, a N7 and a TF700 which I sell for a N10.
I like them all for different tasks.
The N4 is my communication hub, my music player and the hot spot for my tablets. I use it often for small tasks like web search or navigation.
The N7 is my entertainment device for commuting because I can carry it in my jacket.
The TF700 is for reading PDFs (because some of them are not scalable so it's more comfortable on a large display) and longer browsing sessions on holiday or when I work abroad. And it works excellent for watching films.
However I'll exchange it for an N10 because of the performance. It drives me nuts that it is so much slower than my other two devices and because I would like to have a device with proper fastboot support.