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To me, I should be able to Factory Reset my phone any time and get what was "Delivery" By Sprint/HTC/CustomROMChef
But I should be able to update (from market) any Market App.
So I see a lot of folks put a bunch of stuff normally in System/App in Data/App
So that users can uninstall it. That's fine.
But if users want it and factory reset (or clear data) it's completely gone and the only way to get it back is to flash.
If a Market App is in System/App and it be still updated from the Market.
If it can be updated from Market why can't it be uninstaled?
It seems there should be a script that runs when you clear data that repopulates Data to the same state it was delivered. But that would waste from ROM space.
What am I missing.
I hope folks follow my thinking and can straighten me out.
Thanks
Googling around I did find this one critical tidbit
Market updates with /system apps that aren't "supposed" to be in /system is a pain. The market will install an app into the /data/app directory by default, so if you have something like LauncherPro that is a non-system app by Google's definitions, but it's in your /system/app directory because it came pre-packaged with your ROM, then if you update from the market you end up with two copies of it -- a deprecated version in /system and the current version in /data.
You also lose any theming when you update from the market, but that's nothing new and iirc that's true for any themed app regardless of whether it's in /data or /system
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In the world of s-off you don't factory reset anymore you wipe and reflash.
If you factory reset any apps or data in the /data will disappear.
The system directory is typically write protected unless you can get root permissions, any updates are stored in data. Devs will typically put the updated apps in the system dir saves some space, once an update comes out the space you saved is then lost.
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Chuki82 said:
In the world of s-off you don't factory reset anymore you wipe and reflash.
If you factory reset any apps or data in the /data will disappear.
The system directory is typically write protected unless you can get root permissions, any updates are stored in data. Devs will typically put the updated apps in the system dir saves some space, once an update comes out the space you saved is then lost.
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I understand what you are saying. But I'd like the option/concept of being able to clear Data without Reflashing.
So are you saying if a Market App (e.g. Google Maps) is in System and you update it from Market, it will always put the updated version in Data and leave the System one dormant (it will never replace or remove the one in system regardless of root status)?
How does Sprints Stock ROM do it? They allow removing some bloatware and I assume if I factory Reset, nothing would be missing, even if I uninstalled it.
All I can think they do is they bury a backup of Data in the ROM that is restored on Factory Reset.
Yes on the updated apps thing. Updates are saved to data the original is left dormant in system.
The apps in the stock rom are in system, certain ones can be removed or so you think. They are more like disabled, something allows to go dormant as you called it and the only way I know to get it back is a reset.
If certain rom devs move apps to data to be actually removed and you do a reset you lose those apps. If you don't want that to happen, I suggest backing up any and all apps you want sprint, HTC, other. Then reset and restore.
I have backups of all the stock Apps I like to use and if the rom includes it, and great! If not I have a good copy on hand.
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Y factory reset when you could wipe dalvik and cache???,,, also learn how to move apps you want manually,,makes life easier for you sometimes
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ktrotter11 said:
Y factory reset when you could wipe dalvik and cache???,,, also learn how to move apps you want manually,,makes life easier for you sometimes
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Because if you having problems, due to what ever reason, clearing cache is not always the solution.
Hi:
My sister's prime froze at 98% during the .15 firmware update. She restarted and check for system updates is grayed out. She tried clearing the DMclient cache and data but those settings are grayed out as well. She did a couple of cold boots but the settings remain grayed out and she remains on .14.
I saw that alanhzl recommended using a file explorer to go into the /cache folder and delete the dlpkgfile. My sister's prime isn't rooted or unlocked. Is deleting the dlpkgfile the next best step or would you recommend other steps?
Thanks,
Tom
thenrik said:
Hi:
My sister's prime froze at 98% during the .15 firmware update. She restarted and check for system updates is grayed out. She tried clearing the DMclient cache and data but those settings are grayed out as well. She did a couple of cold boots but the settings remain grayed out and she remains on .14.
I saw that alanhzl recommended using a file explorer to go into the /cache folder and delete the dlpkgfile. My sister's prime isn't rooted or unlocked. Is deleting the dlpkgfile the next best step or would you recommend other steps?
Thanks,
Tom
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You can fix it without root by doing a factory reset. It's the only way I know of to clear that cache file other than root.
Hi:
Not what I wanted to hear but I'll start her on the backing up process before the factory reset.
Thanks,
Tom
Factory reset not as bad as it sounds
Hi:
Sooo, we used app dragon to generate an email list of installed apps, used the App Backup app to backup apps and data, 642mb, so we dropped a few to bring it down to 600mb, set a copy to be on the Microsd card. Copied down all of the screen settings and folder organizer contents and went for the factory reset. It worked like a charm and in no time my sister was on .15 and ICS 4.03.
The Market automatically downloaded 95% of the apps and the rest we selectively restored with App Backup restore. Note that when you choose the restore file it appears as if it's all or nothing but immediately lets you choose.
All in all a fairly painless process.
Tom
thenrik said:
Hi:
Sooo, we used app dragon to generate an email list of installed apps, used the App Backup app to backup apps and data, 642mb, so we dropped a few to bring it down to 600mb, set a copy to be on the Microsd card. Copied down all of the screen settings and folder organizer contents and went for the factory reset. It worked like a charm and in no time my sister was on .15 and ICS 4.03.
The Market automatically downloaded 95% of the apps and the rest we selectively restored with App Backup restore. Note that when you choose the restore file it appears as if it's all or nothing but immediately lets you choose.
All in all a fairly painless process.
Tom
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Nice work and glad it fixed it. Personally I just backup data for the few apps I care about it. Use android market to download all my paid apps, and use it as a chance to clean off crap I rarely if ever use. If I find I need it and forgot can just redownload.
I installed the update yesterday and got the following problem:
After updating wireless is stuck and won't either turn on or off.. in settingsmenu on the wlan activate button it just says "error" in the second line. on push it says "activating" for some time the drops back to "error".
So my question: Does anyone have a copy or I don't know what of this update so I could try to intall it again? But I only want the original one..
Or if there's a way to correct it without installing the whole update again I'm of course open to.
PS: Moto Support just says Factory reset but there is upfront no way I am doing this without having tried anything else..
I had the same problem but not with wireless, with mobile data. Only thing that sorted it was a factory reset unfortunately. Not as bad if you use an app like app backup and restore and copy all of your phone storage to computer and back again after factory reset but still a pain
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Thanks for the reply.
Do I remember right that you must be rooted to do a backup of phone data? Because then I'm screwed! Or is there another way or a software only running on the computer?
I wasn't rooted when I did it. I just backed up all my apps except system apps using app backup and restore, connected razr to PC in mass storage mode, copied the whole contents of the internal memory to my PC, did a factory reset, reinstalled app backup and restore, allowed non market apps in application settings, copied everything back from the PC, ran app backup and restore and reinstalled my apps. Note the order as back up apps are saved on the internal memory.
May be an easier way to do it though. I don't know if it would do the same with the motocast USB backup?
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Thanks for that guide, will try to do it like that..
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Note the order as back up apps are saved on the internal memory.
May be an easier way to do it though. I don't know if it would do the same with the motocast USB backup?
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What do you mean with that? Why should I notice that and where can I see that (if I loke at it in explorer the apps are in alphabetical order..).
I don't know Motocast function but it seems pretty much more complex than just copy paste.. at least to me as I also never used it.
I did a factory reset, problem stays the same: error in wifi. Can someone provide me the update to flash it again and see if it helps? The only other way is to send to repair which I would not like to do..
I just flashed it on mine and everything went well. I think you might have to go to the recovery mode and do factory reset.
Good luck.
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Has anyone here used motocast backup on their PC as it appears to back up the full internal memory? If anyone has, do you know if it puts your apps back on when you restore?
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I have seen this version but dont know the difference since I have CDMA Verizon.
651.167.25.XT910.Retail.en.EU
Just saw this today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1560300
Blur_Version.651.167.26.XT910.Retail.en.EU.zip
sonicfishcake said:
Has anyone here used motocast backup on their PC as it appears to back up the full internal memory? If anyone has, do you know if it puts your apps back on when you restore?
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I think it won't do.. I think I remember to have read, but am not sure.
Can anyone make a nandroid with this update and upload somewhere(only need system)
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Did the update (from the other post) again, worked fine, but the problem with wireless still stays the same.. has anyone ideas how to solve?
PS: Could I try to flash an old OTA Update file in the same manner and then update again or wouldn't that work out?
Had the same error with my wifi a while back, but that was before the update. I went ahead and had the phone replaced because i was not able to get a solution.
no love for the nandroid?
come on guys.......
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Had the same error with my wifi a while back, but that was before the update. I went ahead and had the phone replaced because i was not able to get a solution.
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Did you get a new phone or what did they do?
I upgraded to this one through rds lite. But it doesn't seem as quick as the 651.167.19 upgraded to. 21 through moto cast.
Anyway to get back to that? Is rds safe. As in can i flash the .19 through rds without damaging my phone?
Many thanks.
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I want to install a new jb rom based off xxlsj. But it says to wipe data and do factory reset. Now I have a couple of games on my current jb leak stock rom which I want to back up. These games are more than 500 mb each when I downloaded from play store. Thing is when I take their backup using titanium backup and check the backup folder size, it shows only about 20 mb in size. I already put a check on backup external data to "always". Please help. I don't want to lose progress and redo those games all over.
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I want to install a new jb rom based off xxlsj. But it says to wipe data and do factory reset. Now I have a couple of games on my current jb leak stock rom which I want to back up. These games are more than 500 mb each when I downloaded from play store. Thing is when I take their backup using titanium backup and check the backup folder size, it shows only about 20 mb in size. I already put a check on backup external data to "always". Please help. I don't want to lose progress and redo those games all over.
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You should check that you create a backup of the app + app data in Titanium Backup.
Maybe the app data is missing in your case.
If you are not sure, maybe yu can test the TB restore of one app (+ app data) which is not so important if the restoring fails.
Good luck !
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I want to install a new jb rom based off xxlsj. But it says to wipe data and do factory reset. Now I have a couple of games on my current jb leak stock rom which I want to back up. These games are more than 500 mb each when I downloaded from play store. Thing is when I take their backup using titanium backup and check the backup folder size, it shows only about 20 mb in size. I already put a check on backup external data to "always". Please help. I don't want to lose progress and redo those games all over.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your game data is stored in another folder. In my case (with Modern Combat II) I have a folder 'Gameloft' on my internal sd, and when I do a full wipe, TB only back ups and restores the app itself (your 20mb in the TB-folder), and the game starts and uses the data from 'Gameloft'.
Don't know if you understand it but I believe you won't loose anything.
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Thx for the input. My main concern is the data wipe and factory reset that the new room will be needing. I reckon the game data files are being stored somewhere in the internal memory and they will be erased if I proceed to flash the new rom. Why isn't TB backing up huge chunk of files. Doesn't make sense to me :what:
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avimakritsu said:
Thx for the input. My main concern is the data wipe and factory reset that the new room will be needing. I reckon the game data files are being stored somewhere in the internal memory and they will be erased if I proceed to flash the new rom. Why isn't TB backing up huge chunk of files. Doesn't make sense to me :what:
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With a full wipe you won't delete any of your user data on your sd-card. It only deletes the rom itself. TB backs up the app itself, and things like username/password for the game so you won't have to put it in again. The game data (levels and all the progress you made) will still be stored in another file on your sd-card, so TB doesn't back up those files (as they won't be touched with the wipe). That's why it's only 20mb in this case.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think your game data is stored in another folder. In my case (with Modern Combat II) I have a folder 'Gameloft' on my internal sd, and when I do a full wipe, TB only back ups and restores the app itself (your 20mb in the TB-folder), and the game starts and uses the data from 'Gameloft'.
Don't know if you understand it but I believe you won't loose anything.
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So data wipe and factory reset won't touch a part of internal sd? Thats a relief thanks I'll go ahead and flash the new rom
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avimakritsu said:
So data wipe and factory reset won't touch a part of internal sd? Thats a relief thanks I'll go ahead and flash the new rom
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Nope, you will keep all of your user data
Good luck.
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I want to install a new jb rom based off xxlsj. But it says to wipe data and do factory reset. Now I have a couple of games on my current jb leak stock rom which I want to back up. These games are more than 500 mb each when I downloaded from play store. Thing is when I take their backup using titanium backup and check the backup folder size, it shows only about 20 mb in size. I already put a check on backup external data to "always". Please help. I don't want to lose progress and redo those games all over.
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This isn't a Galaxy SII question its a question specific to a Android app so has nothing to do with this forum.
This question should be asked in Android forum or even email to app dev.
[edit] Moved by mod.
Consider installing again the apps once you format, and then restore the savegames with Titanium Backup.
Before formatting, would be a good idea to do a Clockworkmod backup.
Although needs confirmation, I believe some savegames may be encrypted and be suitable only for the device.
Hello guys,
I need little help. I have rooted my phone as per instructions on youtube and upgraded to 4.2.2. but due to some reasons the OS keeps crashing on me. Also when i run root checker it says root access denied.
Now, I wish to factory reset the phone so that i can try rooting it again. Can anyone tell me how to do factory reset using CWM and will it wipe google play and stuff? I am ok with loosing data on SD card, its just songs and videos.
Pls help guys.
- Pinak
Bro, u need not factory reset your phone in order to root it. And if its saying root access is denied it means your phone is not rooted. U haven't mentioned if you have already installed CWM or you still need to install it, but if you already have, then doing a factory reset is very easy. Switch off your phone and go into recovery mode(power+ volume down button together for 10 secs), then it opens into recovery, u have directly select factory reset and press yes when asked for confirmation. It will reset your phone.
And if you do factory reset you won't lose any data from your SD card. It will be retained in their respective memories, unless specifically formatted.
You will lose all your downloaded applications and everything. You need to login into play store and download all the stuff again. If that's OK with you you can go ahead. If you want to save your applications and their data, then it would be good to use Titanium Backup application and backup everything before you reset your phone.
Hope this helped you. Don't forget to hit thanks
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pinak.nubs said:
Hello guys,
I need little help. I have rooted my phone as per instructions on youtube and upgraded to 4.2.2. but due to some reasons the OS keeps crashing on me. Also when i run root checker it says root access denied.
Now, I wish to factory reset the phone so that i can try rooting it again. Can anyone tell me how to do factory reset using CWM and will it wipe google play and stuff? I am ok with loosing data on SD card, its just songs and videos.
Pls help guys.
- Pinak
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You can search & download mt6589_rooter on google.
** don't forget to enable usb debugging mode and ensure all drivers are installed.
Dr.Akram said:
Bro, u need not factory reset your phone in order to root it. And if its saying root access is denied it means your phone is not rooted. U haven't mentioned if you have already installed CWM or you still need to install it, but if you already have, then doing a factory reset is very easy. Switch off your phone and go into recovery mode(power+ volume down button together for 10 secs), then it opens into recovery, u have directly select factory reset and press yes when asked for confirmation. It will reset your phone.
And if you do factory reset you won't lose any data from your SD card. It will be retained in their respective memories, unless specifically formatted.
You will lose all your downloaded applications and everything. You need to login into play store and download all the stuff again. If that's OK with you you can go ahead. If you want to save your applications and their data, then it would be good to use Titanium Backup application and backup everything before you reset your phone.
Hope this helped you. Don't forget to hit thanks
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Hello Dr.Akram,
Thnx for the info...yes i have clockworkmod on my chd and super user. Im ok with any data loss except inbuilt apps like maps, play, keyboard, gtalk, settings app, contact manager and stuff like that...
I played around with some settings and now my touch on key board is not working properly, keep getting launch stopped error so want to factory reset. I dnt care foe game or app data or sd card data.
I read somewhere that if u do factry reset in cwm u will loose all inbuilt app or drivers like Google play..thats my worry. Is it true? Pls advice.
PS: wheres thanks button?
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You can search & download mt6589_rooter on google.
** don't forget to enable usb debugging mode and ensure all drivers are installed.
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Hello Rajneesh,
Can you pls give more info as to what the file ia all about and how to use it?
thnks for the help!
pinak.nubs said:
Hello Rajneesh,
Can you pls give more info as to what the file ia all about and how to use it?
thnks for the help!
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its for rooting, you just have to run a batch file.
Bro...if you factory reset, yes indeed all your applications will be reset to default. You won't lose Google play store. Its an application which comes in any android stock rom by default. What you are going to lose are the applications and games which you have downloaded from the playstore.
Hence in my previous reply I suggested to you to get Titanium Backup app from play store and take a batch backup of all your apps. Then you can reset your phone without any worries!
Hope this solves your issue. Happy to help
Don't forget to hit thanks!
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Dr.Akram said:
Bro...if you factory reset, yes indeed all your applications will be reset to default. You won't lose Google play store. Its an application which comes in any android stock rom by default. What you are going to lose are the applications and games which you have downloaded from the playstore.
Hence in my previous reply I suggested to you to get Titanium Backup app from play store and take a batch backup of all your apps. Then you can reset your phone without any worries!
Hope this solves your issue. Happy to help
Don't forget to hit thanks!
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Hello mate,
i tried titanium backup but it wont work on my phone...kept saying it needs a rooted phone to work. anyways i am least concerned with the downloaded data from play...its imp apps like google play, radio and other such apps that i am concern with it...