OMG!!!!! The past couple of days it's raining roms on xda. That's a nice thing (I suppose) so maybe they can move the forum from low activity devices back to front page???
I can't think of the traffic here when official CM comes outs!!!!! Will be having many moded versions of that
Maybe I am wrong but all these ROMs are only eye candy, nothing spectacular.
I agree, mostly(/all) are just themed stocks or CMs with the usual scripts and some apps added...
None off them has something really unique. The last good thing imho was the pdroid-patched thing, the next "big" thing i guess will be the official CM7. And maybe after this the unofficial CM9, if it gets usuable (as it isn't right now i guess).
any idea when the official cm7 will be out?
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its really true, many ROMs this days
so many to choose...
lol there is a samsung phone on
normald threads
and only has 15 roms
and 14 threads in themes and apps
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In my case I have to thank ketut for the chance to even get something running because he introduced this great kitchen to us! So, blame him
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I just want MIUI to be ported, and then I won't be needing any other rom.
Best "custom" ROM is stock with things I manually added after installing it. Its stock XXKPP, b84 fixed, turbo boost, lagfree, ext4, SetCPU 122-883MHz, Roboto font, removed a lot of stupid apps(TB), frozen market updater, Adw launcher with ICS dock, wallpaper and icons and that's it. All done by me step by step and working flawlessly.
Well,the only developer that works constantly on scripts for SGA is slaid480..Check does not work full time on scripts for ace..I am talking about rom scripts here,not roms or kernels...Do we have a choice?The answer is NO.You guys should be thankful to the handful of devs that we have got..Thanks to slaid480.We have all those awesome scripts..And tell me,you guys say roms are not good enough,that all of them are the same..Can you give me a few suggestions??We don't have ICS,Official CM9 or MIUI..The only thing we have,Froyo and GB..Its easy for you guys to think from a viewer's point of view...But hunk from a developer's point of view and you will get it..We are struggling to get some working good roms here and here some guys are,telling that all the roms are ****..
There's no chance we are going back to main forum or something..Just take a look at the forums of the defy and sga sections..you guts will be thunderstruck,i tell you.They have a huge number of developers,they get very good things,which gives them choice.and thats something we don't have,unless some awesome dev chooses to switch to sga..No offense to anyone.I am just telling the fact,we need to be satisfied with what we have got,not tell that whatever we have got is ****...
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Well spoken Prawesome!
Not all but most Roms coming up are more or less "just " a compilation of stuff the Devs give to the Community. The Devs gave us what we have, started with base and ended with the fine tuning .. We should, and in my case, I will not forget about this fact.
I am happy about every Rom that pops up and thankful to whoever made it but it's clear : nothing would work without the Dev who made it.
True true, without them, my phone would only be another midrange phone
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I've got thick skin so feel free to throw things.
Watching the forum over the last month I've seen a proliferation of ROMs to the point that I've stopped updating - also partly because my favorite and second favorite teams have stopped putting out new versions. I finally succumbed to the burning urge to try another ROM last night but ended up with buyers "meh."
The ROM environment has become so fragmented that it's hard to know what the advantage of ROM a is over ROM b other than appearance.
A comment from one of the ROM makers brought the problem into sharp focus. "I've renamed my ROM because I didn't know one of my team members already had a ROM named X."
How can you be part of a "team" and not know what's being produced by that team?
It seems like we've got more themers producing work in the form of full ROMs rather than themes. I've got nothing against themers, I love packages that can completely change the look of my device and I'm always on the lookout for cool new themes.
I'd rather see ROM maintainers and themers working together where the former group produces faster and more reliable ROMs while the latter group produces mods for those ROMs.
Do the two groups just not want to work closely together or are there predominantly just mostly lone wolves working at the ROM/theme level in Android?
Wrong section. Suppose to go in q&a (QUESTIONS and answers)
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I disagree because it's directly applicable to development and is aimed at the developers. It's not a general q/a question
I agree with this. There's no need to make a "rom" if you just change the theme. Just make a theme and zip it up then post it in the themes section. And oh yea I believe people refer to these people as "winzippers".
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OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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I agree with Br1cK'd. There are a lot of "devs" lately that seem to be kanging together half broken ROM's. I can't tell you how often lately I've flashed something only to find major bugs, when the OP claims that the ROM is 100 percent working and bug free. It seems that most of the more skilled developers have moved on to newer devices. I'm all for people learning but they need to do a lot of quality control before they post their work on XDA.
are you tryna say my team member ferhanmm that did an error ? whats up with you son?>
But then... what actually constitutes a "Rom".
For as far as I know, according to CM6/7/Miui people, only theirs are truly "Roms", as they are built from ground up.
Everything else is just a themed stock Rom, or improvements to existing Sammy framework. (Which I still love btw)
If there were malicious Roms that are purposely bricking systems, then I would argue for stricter requirements for releases. But as it stands, I think the openness of this forum allows users and developers alike to find what makes them happy.
I just think in general, Rom devs/maintainers get more credit (Thanks button hits?) than purely themers. As there is a feeling that themers kind of "work for" Rom Devs... Which is why people tend to package their work as Roms instead of themes (So their work seems less derivative or what not)
Wrong section, but I agree.
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Br1cK'd said:
OP has a great point about our forum here. Ive really stopped doing anything but for my own use, and with the exception of a few real roms put here, I've watched our Vibrant area here turn into a rom porting paradise, without a lot of original work done by people calling themselves devs. Several of these self proclaimed devs have asked me for help with recent projects, and have then been unable to provide even a simple logcat for diagnosis. If someone cant pull a logcat or understand how to do other basics, you really need to take your time and learn.
It is okay to theme and do little things while you learn, and take the time to put out a quality product, instead of a hurried build thats half broken. We have a slight handful of true devs out here, and a whole bunch of people who want to learn, but seem to be in too much of a hurry to kang others work and not really learn how to build a rom from the ground up. Its a damn shame.
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first of all about the logcat ? did you learn alone ? i guess that if someone ask you, its nno bad to help is it ? because i bet some one showed you...now about the kang, so almost every rom here is a kang right ? almost all roms based on stocks from i9000s and stocks kb1`s isnt it ?... i guess this people have the right to learn, but seems you guys that already know a little dont like to help huh?
I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
jimmynguyen91 said:
I agree, the forum is filling up with "roms" that are just the same rom rethemed over and over and over again. What annoys me most are these self-proclaimed "devs" who take bits and pieces of other people's work and put them together for their own "rom" when they didn't really write any of it. Just take a look at their credits lol... It's a crazy long list.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple ROMs. After all, everyone will like something different.
I think what the OP is saying though is that there are ROMs out there are essentially the same pieces with different theme, or maybe a new lock screen, and whatnot. I think the OP means little additions like that can be part of a theme or the theme & apps forum and could be added to any ROM and doesn't warrant releasing a new ROM under a new name and new dev.
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I did my first root about two month ago. Since then I have tried about 20 various roms or updates to them. I tried one last week that seemed to be a copy from an established developer. The other team got really pissy and used alot of immature slang when confronted. I will no longer use any roms from them. I agree that people should learn from the ground up before posting roms and stop the plagiarism.
I appreciate the hard work of the legitimate developers on this site.
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I have more than enough mods on my rom to constitute it not being a theme, and I don't know about you but I don't memorize every rom name out there. It sounded similar so I changed it, what's wrong with that? Since 2.2 has already been tweaked to the max I was able to put out a pretty stable version in the first post. Only things I can really do from here are make it more efficient and finish the theme which I plan to do but I just posted it. And it's my first rom so thanks for the encouragement.
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dont pay attentionn to this ppl fer.. day just stupids ... look at thhe quote i made above.. its just stupid, they want us to redo the same **** that is already made... for example.. whats the need to do a gps fix when jellette made one already ? its just stupid
them may be half a$$ed devs but them gotta have donate button
Bosina & Br1cK'd, first, thanks for your input and participation but this thread isn't about helping or not. It's about packing up thematic changes and publishing them as a ROM rather than a theme bundle.
If a group of members wants to debate about newbies not giving as much as they get, please start a new thread.
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as my partner said above, hell son you dont undestand, everybody uses tweaks that are made because there is no need to redo it...name me any rom you have created ? do you know about roms? dont be stupid
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this dude ha ha shut up im trying to read and your comments are unnecessary and full of hate and You act like You are a Big Time developer who dont take s**t from anyone , go smoke something and relax , i dont see Team Whisky complain or Eugene, just You big time savior .
But if the teams join there will be more people to split the donation money between so maybe thats why people stay separate ?
My nephew has invested in a Samsung Galaxy S2 and I've finally convinced him to root it and flash a custom rom... I have a HTC G2 and there's like 6-8 roms to choose from... And everyone of them has a different thing going for them... Like one of them is Sense 2.1, one is clean MIUI and some are mods with MIUI, some CM7-mods and a couple of Sense 3.5's and one hybrid Sense 2.1+3.0...
What I'm trying to say is, its a jungle out there... And I'd really like to help my nephew get a good and updated phone..
So what are the different 'deal-breakers' on your different ROMs? Which is the best ROM in your opinion?
(wrong catagory.. should be in Q&A.. sry..)
My opinion is that we know nothing about your nephew, therefore can't possibly make recommendations for him.
This thread is created and closed literally every day, sometimes several times a day.
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My opinion is that we know nothing about your nephew, therefore can't possibly make recommendations for him.
This thread is created and closed literally every day, sometimes several times a day.
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That wasn't quite what I was asking for...
But, if you insist: He's 22 years old, lives with his girlfriend on 21 years in a 2-room apartment.. He works out 2-3 times a week with his younger brother... He like WOW... He was once a big Ogamer... He goes to college.. Dunno what he studies, but something with computers... He hacked his ps3 earlier this years... He likes dubstep and mojitos... Anything else you need to know, to tell me your opinion about what ROM you think is best???
I recommend the stock ROM.
Cognition is a really fast stock-based ROM. For me, it feels very fast and works really well.
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But, if you insist: He's 22 years old, lives with his girlfriend on 21 years in a 2-room apartment.. He works out 2-3 times a week with his younger brother... He like WOW... He was once a big Ogamer... He goes to college.. Dunno what he studies, but something with computers... He hacked his ps3 earlier this years... He likes dubstep and mojitos... Anything else you need to know, to tell me your opinion about what ROM you think is best???
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Well played sir
I would recommend cm7.. Get him on the nightlys! #116 literally cooks bacon.. No **** try it for yourself!
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Ok, so you say everyone has a different opinion, that's why it's hard to choose. My question is, how will this thread change any of that?
The thing with this "what's the best... " always end up in people recommending their current ROM.
There is truly only one way to find out what's best for you (or your nephew for that matter).
The next thing you want to know is probably what the best modem is to use with the SGS2.
XDA is (or at least was) about exploring and share experiences.
Past few years it's more becoming a demand and receive kind of thing.
Threads like this ones are always getting locked in the end.
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How about your nephew comes on here himself, reads up extensively and then makes his own informed choices as to which ROM he thinks may be best.
He hacked his ps3 earlier this years... He likes dubstep and mojitos
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Regardless if he likes crack cocaine and sex with animals i hardly think it's relevant to this forum
jonny68 said:
How about your nephew comes on here himself, reads up extensively and then makes his own informed choices as to which ROM he thinks may be best.
Regardless if he likes crack cocaine and sex with animals i hardly think it's relevant to this forum
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Because he's too f*cking lazy......like all the rest of the muppets who keep asking which is the best rom...
Just let him be on stock for gods sake..
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I'm glad this thread ended well.
Jelly Bean rom is out im currently using it inbetween ICS Alphas
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Which is the best ROM in your opinion?
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Dude - Ignore the wankers.
Wankers - wouldn't it be easier to just ignore the post if you have nothing constructive to offer the guy? Rather than... wanking on him?
Ezzzkiel - The nice thing in SGS2-land is that there are a lot of great, stable ROMs with decent battery life. It benefited from a lot of the startup pains that we all suffered through on the original SGS. So although it may seem like a jungle, the reality is that it is an ice cream (sic) shop with lots of great flavors.
If your nephew is technically competent and enjoys mucking around with lots of options, I would recommend one of the following:
CheckROM is a modified Samsung ROM and has a nice KitchenPro app that allows you to easily change kernels, modems, themes, apps, boot animations, etc. It also has OTA updates. I used it for quite a while and it has been stable, fast and virtually bug free.
CM7 continues to be a favorite among many folks. It is in good, but not perfect shape... but it is quite serviceable as an everyday ROM. You can modify pretty much everything you can imagine. Nightlies are available for flash freaks.
MIUI (and my favorite version - Galnet MIUI) is looking really great lately. I personally find the way it deals with notifications and replies very intuitive... even more so that CM7. Again, it has OTA updates which are handy. But it is very personal. Some people hate MIUI and some people love it.
If your nephew prefers to start with a basic flash and go ROM then Cognition, Criskelo, Batista, and about a half dozen others are excellent ROMs where everything works.
On all these ROMs the first thing I install is Go Launcher, so I have a common set of home screens that make it easy to navigate. Then I can explore the unique elements under the skin. Again, the choice of launcher is very personal. Many folks swear by Launcher Pro, ADW and others.
How can you forget to mention Villain ROM 3.0?
It's the best. Close to stock with it's own VillainTweak program.
See where this is going?
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SGSII-land is like a different country... My oh my... I've heard XDA could be a harsh forum to wander, but I've only met kind and friendly users on the XDA-boards I usually look at..
Excuse me for asking you about your opinion about which ROM you find best to the SGS... Thx for the constructive posts, those of you who took time to makes such ones...
I'll find my own way through this damp and moist swamp of ROMs...
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My opinion is that we know nothing about your nephew, therefore can't possibly make recommendations for him.
This thread is created and closed literally every day, sometimes several times a day.
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wait wait
ur saying some how THIS thread is created and closed everyday ??wtf
are we living in a Quantum matrix ?
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anyways
i go back and forth between custom roms and kernels
and i ALWAYS go back to stock rom
i recommend stock rom
Closed, Cheerz.
(comparison Threads are Flamebaits)
so ill start off with please dont go tell me to read google things. iv been on this site for awhile with many different phones i read a lot. now to the topic. iv had my photon since it came out i love it and it does all it needs to but i miss flashing roms and getting that "new phone" feeling when you do. iv been running stock on the photon since the start with no real reason to flash. mainly because the loss of hardware or other things on our roms. dont get me wrong im very happy and thankful for those who put hard work into this bad boy every day. now im getting tired of it and i want to flash just wondering in anyone thinks one thing over the other, i dont mind unlocking but i do want reliability and a bit a flash to it. i need my mms, my camera, video. can anyone suggest whats doing the best on your own photon rom, kernal, locked unlocked. i do understand that each phone is different and acts different with different set ups. i just wanna head in a good direction and not mess with the odd stuff. thanks always xda members for making my phone more addictive then crack with your wonderful hard work. thank you so much. happy holidays to everyone and their families.
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so ill start off with please dont go tell me to read google things. iv been on this site for awhile with many different phones i read a lot. now to the topic. iv had my photon since it came out i love it and it does all it needs to but i miss flashing roms and getting that "new phone" feeling when you do. iv been running stock on the photon since the start with no real reason to flash. mainly because the loss of hardware or other things on our roms. dont get me wrong im very happy and thankful for those who put hard work into this bad boy every day. now im getting tired of it and i want to flash just wondering in anyone thinks one thing over the other, i dont mind unlocking but i do want reliability and a bit a flash to it. i need my mms, my camera, video. can anyone suggest whats doing the best on your own photon rom, kernal, locked unlocked. i do understand that each phone is different and acts different with different set ups. i just wanna head in a good direction and not mess with the odd stuff. thanks always xda members for making my phone more addictive then crack with your wonderful hard work. thank you so much. happy holidays to everyone and their families.
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I mean we have CM7, MIUI, and about what 4 I think modified moto roms we have themes.
There is alot of roms in other phone forums and most of those are just themed roms
You have to flash a kernel and play some tegra games
I'm running MIUI now
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im personally on stock.. but magnifier is a good one as long as you dont mind teh update notification until he puts out the newest version
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im personally on stock.. but magnifier is a good one as long as you dont mind teh update notification until he puts out the newest version
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thanks ill check it out.
Some people like stock with just a kernel flash. Some like it simple and bloat free like skinny. Everything you listed works on all of them except maybe miui for the moment. The most stable and complete is skinnyrev2-test3, because its based on 198-7/254-5. Cm7 and miui are awesome and a must try(im partial to cm because i helped in the beginning and was there when the very first version hit the g1, but i like webtop). Magnifier is great too. Its 154 based but its compiled from source i think. Correct me if im wrong shabby. If moto actually updated their source i would build from source too. Jokerstock-test1 was source built.
My advice, titanium backup and flash them all. Few days on each, with updates you should feed your flashing needs. Plus webtop is soon to be flashable.
Unlike other phones we got pretty much everything you would want fully working. Enhanced stock roms with better battery/performance. Cm7, miui, and roms in many languages. You can find my kernels in 6 different countries. Each with local roms. All blur based roms can be flashed in bootstrap with little edits, giving you 4g. Pretty soon im going to help cybik and miui guys get a bootstrap method up with a dual boot option.
Lets the flashing commence
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no is not from source. he just was under the impression that newer firmwares wouldnt boot with custom kernels so he went with 154 hes working on updating everything to 198_7 as i continue to yell at him about it
stupid holidays and people claiming they cnat do any work...
Oh, i just assumed 154 would be source built. You must bug him harder to update to 198-7 then.
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no is not from source. he just was under the impression that newer firmwares wouldnt boot with custom kernels so he went with 154 hes working on updating everything to 198_7 as i continue to yell at him about it
stupid holidays and people claiming they cnat do any work...
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for some reason i stayed with stock so far but sense or ics would convince me to root!
What about better battery life
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for some reason i stayed with stock so far but sense or ics would convince me to root!
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
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Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
Why has this been locked?? There are no ICS ROM's that are any good??? Santod's basic ROM is just debloated stock.....
I really don't understand why they find the need to play God around here.... There are no ROM's!!! At this point there is no reason for an XDA Thunderbolt page!
STOP LOCKING THREADS... WHO GIVES A CRAP THAT IT IS OFF SANTOD'S BASE... THIS IS WHY THE PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE ANDROID... TOO MUCH POLITICS AND BULL CRAP.. JUST LET THESE GUYS MAKE GOOD ROMS SO WE CAN ENJOY OURSELVES...
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BUILDING OFF OTHER PEOPLES WORK.. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S CELL PHONE SOFTWARE!
JESUS H CHRIST..,..
Where can I find this ROM now? It has been removed from roots wiki as well?
5 custom ICS roms and 4 stock roms >>> HERE
Look around, there is more then just a stock rom there.
Don't speak about something you do not know the details of.
XDA has rules, so do other sites and when it comes to disrespecting me and the source from which you got your materials from, I then have rules too.
Besides, I have been told numerous times now that what I contributed wasn't anything, and easy enough to do.
So there should be no problem with it standing in any real devs way.
They simply make their own base and move on.
So crying about it is unnecessary for anyone involved, including me.
Everyone just does their own thing and moves on, simple as that.
I am hating on you Santod.. I have a lot of respect for you and i am sure everyone does.. I am on your rom right now.. The non eternity one... And it is honestly awesome, i just want a more aosp rom, i know you have a desense rom in the making but it has been pulled for weeks now.. I wanted to see mack, you, and jester all make a combined kick ass rom.. I am crying because i just want to see the tbolt finally succeed and with the help of all you great devs and hopefully an htc source code release.. The day may come.. I think you should all work together... Everyone respects all the devs but its awesome to see you guya work together.
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It's still on the host server and plenty are running it.
Check the last few pages of the thread....
I believe I posted 3-4 updates on that rom, this week alone.
Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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Wow now I remember why I just got over this phone and moved on. Santod040 is the only one that attempted to integrate the patches into gb to get ICS for you guys. It wasn't a typical ruu, a lot of work had to go into that integration. And then everyone acted like it was open season on his work. His attitude might have been better if he was ever asked in the first place for it to be used. But he wasn't, and none of the other ICS roms really were any different than any of his. And I have seen a lot of people say that integrating the patches was easy work, but yet no other dev has done it themselves. There's a difference between development and taking someone else's rom zip, theming it, adding other tweaks also developed by someone else, and calling it yours.
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This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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This is a pretty good explanation of where I think santod is coming from even though it isn't coming from him directly. All of you are acting like it was some walk in the park or something to assemble the ota but it sure is taking all of you a lot longer than it took him to do.
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Not really trying to speak for him, just back him up. It seems the easier rooting/roming becomes the less people seem to understand (or care to understand) what goes into development. They just want it now and don't care how they get it.
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Everybody respects Santod... but his ROM's are not on XDA they are on Infected Roms.... I am on his NuSense Rom for a while now.... It just seems ridiculous that Mack and Santod could not work together IMO... Now if Mack was refusing to give Santod his fully deserved credit for the Base and Stock Rom then yeah I understand.
I am not hating on Santod what so ever... I am getting the best battery life ever on his NuSense Sense 3.6 Rom... With Nova Launcher it actually moves pretty nice too for stock kernel...
Let's be honest though... Sense 3.6 sucks... Sense Sucks... We all want AOSP.. That is not happening until the Source get's released... so a Desensed Rom is something of extreme interest.
I can not wait for the Jelato Santod Rom to be done... I just figured maybe Mack or Jester may be able to throw Santod some ideas maybe and before you know if we would have a 10x better DeSensed ROM then if it was just by one particular Dev.
Yeah I mean the only thing that bugs me is that while Santod makes a good rom, he cant help himself from customizing it the way *he* likes it, and not the general public at times. Every time I use one of his roms I'm like "wow, amazing performance, sweet battery life, all the features but wtf is up with this font? Why this theme?". It'd be like getting a rewritten AOSP rom built from HTC's source, and then shipping it with a hello kitty theme I liked Mack's work because it had that truly vanilla feel to it with all the under the hood tweaks a launcher like Apex can offer. The new Jelato rom actually runs worse than the unsense rom, albeit just slightly. It's certainly better than Sense, but still kinda leaves something to be desired.
I guess what I ultimately dont get is why anybody cares if someone else rips off your work. It's not like either of them are being paid here, which means it all comes down to fame and recognition. If your motives are pure, and you are simply doing this for the community, then you should be happy that someone went and tweaked a new flavor of your rom for everybody to use. Why there's this whole desire for credit is beyond me. Seems kinda conceited. "How dare you steal my charitable donations!" What have you got to lose?
Like I said, I really dont want to see just one rom developer out there. If santod is the only one left with the skill to properly port these things, then he should be supportive of others customizing his work. It does do him or the community any good to horde all his development unless there's some sort of financial incentive in it for him and he needs revenue from this somehow. And if he gets bored or offended and quits then the TB community just dies forever? That sucks. If the only people left willing to contribute are kanger's, then let them! We cant have our entire community rest in the hands of one developer.
I support and help anybody and everybody that treats me with an ounce of respect.
IT IS NOT ABOUT CREDIT!!!!
I could give a **** about credits or your complaints about my theming.
Maybe the theming is my way of saying it's mine.
The original UnSense was about as Vanilla as it gets really.
If you don't like what I have to offer up, then don't use it, it's simple.
If the fact that someone else left their rom half sense and half aosp makes it more vanilla for you, then fine.
Use his pieced together rom, I don't care.
What do you guys want from me?
Sure, treat me like an asshole, but feel free to help yourself to my stuff....
Anyone whining about this still, needs to get a life.
Any real developer wouldn't have batted an eye, made their own base and rolled along.
If what I contributed was "nothing" and easy to do, why all the fuss?
By the way, everyone else loves the theme, you happen to be the first to complain about how it looks.
There is this thing called UOT and another called apktool, maybe you should find those and learn to use them, before you go criticizing anymore work of others.
You may find yourself with ZERO rom options!
Any useful thread on the matter that is not just santod vs the world or people complaining about locked threads will not be closed.
This is not such a thread.
They serve no useful purpose for the community.
If you have issue with this PM me, I am not looking to "play God" or any some such activity, but the denizens of this community must be spared such drama as found in this thread.
Let's all work together to create a better development community.